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NEXT GEN samsung's SOC to use POWER VR not MALI

hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
a similar soc is ST-Ericsson Nova A9600 which is also an A15 with power vr 6 serires gpu read here for discussion on this NOVA

awesome-member said:
hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
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Where did ya get this from? I thought it was reported that it would be Cortex A15 + Mali T604?

Logi_Ca1 said:
Where did ya get this from? I thought it was reported that it would be Cortex A15 + Mali T604?
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i have the evidence.I'll be more than happy to share it to a mod but wont release for general public.(for obvious reasons)

Source please?
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awesome-member said:
i have the evidence.I'll be more than happy to share it to a mod but wont release for general public.(for obvious reasons)
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Well ok... Personally I don't care either way, I just hope they go for whatever has the best performance/power consumption ratio.

WagTwo said:
Source please?
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I assure its legit. and it specifically says Samsung are moving away form mail.

Logi_Ca1 said:
Well ok... Personally I don't care either way, I just hope they go for whatever has the best performance/power consumption ratio.
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dont care !!! remember when sgs2 was first launched how many games/apps were incompatible. significant amount of app that i'd bought while i had sgs were not working on my sgs2 things are getting better now. but using the similar gpu found in ios devices and psvita does make a difference and I as a consumer will have more option and it's not just limited to games but to all other apps that uses open gl.

awesome-member said:
I assure its legit. and it specifically says Samsung are moving away form mail.
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It makes sense, I recently read news that Samsung licensed some PowerVR GPUs.
But I do hope it's a SGX 6XX, anything else would be a disappointment (for me).
I also hope that it's going to be a dual-core (1.6GHz) Cortex A15, if it is it will be way faster than a quadcore Cortex A9 especially when you consider that applications are only starting to support dual-cores right now.

wurzelsepp3 said:
It makes sense, I recently read news that Samsung licensed some PowerVR GPUs.
But I do hope it's a SGX 6XX, anything else would be a disappointment (for me).
I also hope that it's going to be a dual-core (1.6GHz) Cortex A15, if it is it will be way faster than a quadcore Cortex A9 especially when you consider that applications are only starting to support dual-cores right now.
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we might still see newer quad A9 with mali but by late 2012 we should expect Samsung coming out with A15 with power vr. since A6(for ipad3) is widely rumored to be A15 and we all know who makes A5 for apple.we should see the Samsung version of A15 in 2012.
also if you remember the exynos/orion which was delayed and it was reported(not officially though) that the reason was 'problems with it graphics unit'.

i like powerVR more then mali

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I'd prefer if it was a power vr 6x. Easier support from developers due to iphones using power vr also.

awesome-member said:
hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
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I'm indifferent either way. The Mali 400 in my S2 can keep up with all the games and I'm not seeing a trend towards better quality graphics simply because the screens on our devices do not support it, this might change with ICS and the 720p screen on the Galaxy Nexus.
For the future it's wait and see. Usually better graphics means more power consumption and that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make.

They've opted for both the next gen of PowerVR and Mali chips, so it could be either.
OP is not wrong, but he is not right either.

GIR said:
I'm indifferent either way. The Mali 400 in my S2 can keep up with all the games and I'm not seeing a trend towards better quality graphics simply because the screens on our devices do not support it, this might change with ICS and the 720p screen on the Galaxy Nexus.
For the future it's wait and see. Usually better graphics means more power consumption and that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make.
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I'm personally hoping for a usable NDS or PSP emulator in 2012.
power consumption should be fine considering that 45 SiO2 > 32/28 nm hkmg is a huge jump.

Rawat said:
They've opted for both the next gen of PowerVR and Mali chips, so it could be either.
OP is not wrong, but he is not right either.
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i am aware that samsung is the licensee of both mali and power vr but the source specifically says that they are 'moving away from mali'. we may see few versions of exynos with mali powering some of the future devices but their flagship devices will have power VR.

WTF guys this is exclusive news to XDA and you rate it 2 stars. Just because you are not getting the news from engadget?? there were news about samsung being the licensee of both powervr and mali but i have never seen a report that says which way the samsung was heading in terms of graphics wise.

At best, this is an unsubstantiated rumour. We'll know more about Samsung's SoC plans when they unveil the Galaxy S III at MWC.
tbqh, your news hardly seems reliable, and even if it was doesn't really matter. Samsung have used PowerVR for many of their SoCs, and Mali 400 for only the Exynos 4210

Samsung has announced and is sampling two newer SOCs; Exynos 4212 and Exynos 5250.
Exynos 4210 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz, Mali 400 MP4 GPU, 45nm process.
Exynos 4212 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.5ghz, Mali 400 MP4 GPU, 32nm process. (GPU Speculated, not officially disclosed)
Exynos 5250 - dual-core Cortex A15 @ 2.0ghz, Mali T604 GPU, 32nm process.(GPU Speculated, not officially disclosed)
Here's the thing about sampling/testing. SOCs typically have to be sampled for 6 months (or more) before they show up in phones. 4212 started sampling in September/October and 5250 started sampling in November. That means that both should be available for the typical Galaxy S launch window (my bet is on 5250).
If Samsung does go back to PowerVR, by the time they start sampling this SOC they would have already missed the Galaxy SIII launch window. So, I find this unsourced information interesting but highly unlikely at this point. Once you can reveal your source(s) we'll be able to judge this more accurately. I appreciate the info and respect your need to conceal your source(s) at this time.

jaykresge said:
Samsung has announced and is sampling two newer SOCs; Exynos 4212 and Exynos 5250.
Exynos 4210 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz, Mali 400 MP GPU, 45nm process.
Exynos 4212 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.5ghz, Mali 400 MP GPU, 32nm process.
Exynos 5250 - dual-core Cortex A15 @ 2.0ghz, Mali T604 GPU, 32nm process.
Here's the thing about sampling/testing. SOCs typically have to be sampled for 6 months (or more) before they show up in phones. 4212 started sampling in September/October and 5250 started sampling in November. That means that both should be available for the typical Galaxy S launch window (my bet is on 5250).
If Samsung does go back to PowerVR, by the time they start sampling this SOC they would have already missed the Galaxy SIII launch window. So, I find this unsourced information interesting but highly unlikely at this point. Once you can reveal your source(s) we'll be able to judge this more accurately. I appreciate the info and respect your need to conceal your source(s) at this time.
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I agree with your post.it is highly likely that sgs 3 will sport a Exynos 5250. but with in next year I think wee will see high res 3D tablet since samsung is also a TV manufacturer(we all know that 3d TV is the TV for 2012 /s) and it makes sense to lure more people in to 3D (3D ecosystem???).to achieve such graphical horsepower Power VR 6 is the only option they have. my bet is we will see highres 3d tablet by q4 of 2012 sporting an soc with power vr 6xxxx

[SAMSUNG] To Unveil [8-CORE] ARM Chip

Eight cores, in a mobile processor? Balderdash! But according to EETimes, that's just what Samsung's planning on unveiling in February at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference (that sounds so exciting).
Now before you get too excited, this isn't - technically speaking - an eight-core processor. It's a dual quad-core, which is to say, a two-processor chip. The design is based on a reference architecture thought up by ARM themselves, dubbed "big.little," and is designed to combine the light-load battery life of a high-efficiency quad-core 28nm ARM A7 chip with a super-hi-po A15 processor for heavy lifting. The exact specifications, for our nerdier readers, are: 1 quad-core ARM A7 chip clocked at 1.2GHz for everyday tasks, and 1 quad-core ARM A15 chip clocked at 1.8GHz w/ 2MB L2 cache for processor-intensive tasks like video games.
ARM itself has said the "big.little" project is delivering benefits beyond those expected when the architecture was initially announced, and Samsung's chip should be the first on the market based on the concept. So yes, this will be a new Exynos of some sort.
Should you expect this chip in the Galaxy S IV (or whatever Samsung's going to call it - because that's far from a given)? It's possible, but not necessarily likely. The gap between chip announcement and tape-out (mass-production readiness) can be lengthy. With the first batch of Exynos 5 Dual devices just now hitting the market in the form of the new Samsung Chromebook and Nexus 10, this eight-core beast may not be ready in time for the next "next big thing." Samsung could very well specifically be targeting this chip for Chromebooks and Windows RT / Android tablets before taking a dive into smaller form factors, too.
Either way, it's exciting business - I can't say I ever tire of technology getting faster.
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to be honest lately i have started to lose interest in Samsung due to the whole exynos issue and lack of support for developers but if this is to be true then i feel comfortable in making my next device a Samsung (only with this chip ovcourse) lets hope we see this chip come to more devices if it is infact released we will have to wait and see what samsung brings us in 2013 to decide if our loyalty to samsung is acctually worth it
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What relavance to the S3 does this have??? Nothing. Keep it in the General section not the S3 General section...
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Not excited. Most apps today are optimized for single and dual cores, rarely on quad. And now octal??

Well if you read its not a true 8 core processor. It is two CPU's both quad core. One being an A15 @1.8GHz and the other an A7 @1.2GHz
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Yes and Intel working on a 48 core chip.
Also it doesn't matter if the application you are running isn't designed for multi cores, most of the time this isn't even possible. People are still forgetting that one application isn't EVERYTHING that runs on a CPU, there are a lot of processes that run at the same time and thus benefit from multi core architecture.
Someone please move this useless thread.
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b-eock said:
Well if you read its not a true 8 core processor. It is two CPU's both quad core. One being an A15 @1.8GHz and the other an A7 @1.2GHz
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It's still a octa-core if you want to be anal about the definition, one of the hacks in kernels with this device SoC will be to run all cores in asymmetric multiprocessor modes.
But anyway the timing coincides with the 5450 rumors we've been hearing. Either they have two discrete quad A15 SoCs or they're both the same thing.

AndreiLux said:
It's still a octa-core if you want to be anal about the definition, one of the hacks in kernels with this device SoC will be to run all cores in asymmetric multiprocessor modes.
But anyway the timing coincides with the 5450 rumors we've been hearing. Either they have two discrete quad A15 SoCs or they're both the same thing.
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Wow that sounds super exciting. Great piece of info. Now its time for google to really optimize android for multi core processors
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sfjuocekr said:
Yes and Intel working on a 48 core chip.
Also it doesn't matter if the application you are running isn't designed for multi cores, most of the time this isn't even possible. People are still forgetting that one application isn't EVERYTHING that runs on a CPU, there are a lot of processes that run at the same time and thus benefit from multi core architecture.
Someone please move this useless thread.
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The 48 core chip intel now intel has started as a multi core gpu , they started designing it as larabee gpu which later turned into the product which is released right now .sadly its not destined for desktop but for high performance computing.
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This could be the Processor in Future Generation Notes

The future generation Samsung processors looks like to be beast an 8 core processor for a tablet or a mobile is from a scifi movie
please read this article to find out more
Samsung's processor design team has been on a roll with fast chips this year with the Exynos 4 Quad and Exynos 5 Dual. Based on its agenda for the International Solid-State Circuits Conference, that momentum isn't about to stop. A company presentation at the event on February 19th will delve into a new heterogeneous, 8-core processor that relies on ARM's concept of big.LITTLE computing: one half is a quad-core, 1.8GHz ARM Cortex-A15 that will do all the heavy lifting, while the other is a quad 1.2GHz Cortex-A7 that takes over in quieter moments. We don't know much more about the chip beyond the expected 28-nanometer manufacturing process, but it's easy to see a mobile chip that's fast without having to consume much energy in its downtime. Most of the mystery surrounds where Samsung will launch the processor first, rather than what it can do: the big.LITTLE chip would be most valuable in a smartphone, but a potentially large size could relegate it to tablets early on.

Welcome the New Beast from Samsung Exynos5 Octa the 8 Core Processor

Samsung just launched a new processor line up called Exynos5 Octa the story is still developing but the following are some details that are out
Samsung unveiled a brand new processor that will power its future mobile devices. Dubbed “Exynos5 Octa,” the new chip features two sets of four cores and a 28nm process that will eventually drop down to 10nm in the coming years. The chipset provides significant performance enhancements over Samsung’s previous-generation quad-core Exynos processor, which is now found in more than 53 million mobile devices. The company also said that the new Exynos5 Octa has a power-saving mode that helps improve battery life by reducing consumption when devices are idling and in other situations where full processing power is not required.

So between Exynos 5 Quad which is an A15 32nm chip that's supposed to be used in the SGS4, Krait v3 which is 15% faster version of S4 Pro, and now Octa, Nvidia may as well pack up their marbles and go home.
For geeks, here's some details on Exynos 5 which is Samsung's current "state of the art."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
And S4 Pro
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Here's some disucssion of Teg4 from a chip forum. People who do chips for a living aren't impressed; especially with the GPU.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6224

Watch out. Demandarin might come around and tell us how great the Tegra 4 is Youg looks good, I wonder if it will be involved in devices before August 2013
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8 cores..wow...overkill.
It wasnt long ago (less than a year?) That reviewers were stating quad core is abit of a gimmich right now on phones and tabs etc.
Im all for it ofcourse..but wow 8 cores

The 8 cores will be device into 2 sub 4 cores - 1 sub 4 core will be an A7 1.2GHZ quadcore processor for lighter task and the second sub core will be 4 core A15 1.6GHZ of above quadcore processor.
The same will be built on 28 NM technology and later 10 NM technology over a period of time.
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GS7 Edge Processor

So the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 is quad core. Why did Qualcomm decide to go with a quad core one over a octacore or hexacore? How would that affect the GS7/GS7 Edge if it were octacore or hexacore? How much of a difference is there between the Exynos and 820?

Indeed the snapdragon 820 is a quad core SOC unlike most recent socs which have featured 8 cores (2 clusters of 4 cores). However most big.little socs like the exynos 8890 and 7420 use 4 low power slow processors and 4 high power, but power hungry processors. They are completely different architectures. This means that while the exynos 8890 for instance has 8 cores. Only 4 of them are really designed for performance. The other 4 are designed to save power. The 820 is different. It's also some sort of big.little setup with 2 clusters of 2 cores. However both clusters are identical architectures. The difference is one cluster is clocked lower and has a different l2 cache configuration in order to use less power. On top of that the custom cores in the 820 are faster per core than the exynos 8890. So clock for clock the 820 would win against the high power cluster of the exynos. In heavily multitheaded situations though. The exynos still can tap into all 8 cores at the same time which should give it an advantage in that scenario. For the rest of the time I would imagine the 4 faster cores of the snapdragon would be better suited to everyday stuff. As for why they only went with 4. My guess is cost, and power efficiency. Kyro is a brand new architecture. Krait went through many iterations. Kyro will probably see a noticeable reduction in its power envelope in the next iteration which would make shoving more of them onto an SOC a more viable option. As for gpu, all signs are pointing to the snapdragons adreno GPU beating the Mali in the exynos atm. Development will also be improved on the snapdragon device as Qualcomm releases the proprietary vendor binaries and Samsung does not. This means the likelihood of seeing cm or aosp on an exynos variant is slim. Hope this helps!

Actually, the Kryo cores are (slightly) better at running single threaded tasks while the Exynos cores are (slightly) better at running multi-threaded tasks. I doubt the everyday users will notice.
The Adreno is also more powerful than the MALI GPU, though everyday users will mostly notice a performance improvement on applications using the Vulkan API vs regular applications, than anything between both these GPUs.
Finally the memory management seems much better on the Exynos 8890 for some reason (about twice as fast), since the same chips are used I wonder whether it's a software or a hardware implementation difference, both units are plenty fast though.
The real difference between both these SOCs will seen in the power management efficiency, in fact both variants are overpowered in every aspects as far as regular usage goes, so there is little point in comparing which one's the fastest. Instead, you need to wonder which one is the most conservative with power consumption while achieving equivalent performances.

Both the GPUs on these SOCs support the Vulcan API. And, whilst the Adreno is faster in terms of pure benchmark numbers, I very much doubt there will be a noticeable difference on any game or application, Vulcan or otherwise, that will be released during the lifetime of these phones.

Yeah, that does help explain it. Thanks. I just hoped there wouldn't be a TSMC vs Samsung difference in the iPhone 6S/6S Plus SoC.

i was thinking 8 core snapdargon 810 was over heating and thermal throttling so they went for 4 cores instead on snapdragon 820.
just my thoughts.