I must say to all the Devs who make Roms and themes that it is really difficult! Ive been tring to learn for quite some time now how to theme but cant seem to figure it out. Ive read though tons of forums and watched idk how many hours of youtube vids and still am struggling. Anyone else care to learn or shed some tips for the people who want to participate more to this forum. Ive been freeloading on awesome roms and themes long enough and would like to give back to XDA. Any help is appriciated
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I must say to all the Devs who make Roms and themes that it is really difficult! Ive been tring to learn for quite some time now how to theme but cant seem to figure it out. Ive read though tons of forums and watched idk how many hours of youtube vids and still am struggling. Anyone else care to learn or shed some tips for the people who want to participate more to this forum. Ive been freeloading on awesome roms and themes long enough and would like to give back to XDA. Any help is appriciated
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I honestly think the best thing to read is the themeing guide that dreamsforgotten put together in the Epic themeing section. I learned more from that than anything.
Yeah, it's more copy and pasting than you think it is (if you're porting a theme).
DreamForgotten's theme is helpful, but some things he does are more difficult than required. For example, to edit the framework.res, just extract the drawable-hdpi, then place it back in over the old one when you're done. Make sure you're theming from a deodexed theme first so you'll have a lot more images to edit. Hope this helps a bit
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I honestly think the best thing to read is the themeing guide that dreamsforgotten put together in the Epic themeing section. I learned more from that than anything.
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+1 on that AND he is extremely helpful and monitors that thread in the Theme stickies.
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Yeah, it's more copy and pasting than you think it is (if you're porting a theme).
DreamForgotten's theme is helpful, but some things he does are more difficult than required. For example, to edit the framework.res, just extract the drawable-hdpi, then place it back in over the old one when you're done. Make sure you're theming from a deodexed theme first so you'll have a lot more images to edit. Hope this helps a bit
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Plus there are lots of sites (google them) with free icons and pngs.
Thanks so much for the advice. I know I read through it once and it did help but I'm goin to read through it again. I had a feeling it was mostly copy and paste but I'm not very familiar with it so I wasn't sure if that would mess anything up by copying an image from an older theme to a newer one. I guess its all trial and error lol. Thanks again guys
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Thanks so much for the advice. I know I read through it once and it did help but I'm goin to read through it again. I had a feeling it was mostly copy and paste but I'm not very familiar with it so I wasn't sure if that would mess anything up by copying an image from an older theme to a newer one. I guess its all trial and error lol. Thanks again guys
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There is a lot more to it than just copy and pasting (IMO). You CANNOT copy paste xml file and edits within them. 9 patch images can be a little tricky and cannot just be dragged and dropped from a 7zip file. My suggestion would be to not try and take shortcuts that you think might work because normally they cause you major headaches in the long run. There are a few pretty good themers in our forum that will help time permitting of course.
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There is a lot more to it than just copy and pasting (IMO). You CANNOT copy paste xml file and edits within them. 9 patch images can be a little tricky and cannot just be dragged and dropped from a 7zip file. My suggestion would be to not try and take shortcuts that you think might work because normally they cause you major headaches in the long run. There are a few pretty good themers in our forum that will help time permitting of course.
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Thanks shane for the advice Also i sent you a PM about the 1% mod. oooo ya and i finally figured out how to port themes to an extent. i posted it in the Themes section called Shake & Bake Mix Up. Its a port from darkierawrs shake and bake which he got from the Androidjonnys Mezmerize theme with a few extra touches.
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Thanks shane for the advice Also i sent you a PM about the 1% mod. oooo ya and i finally figured out how to port themes to an extent. i posted it in the Themes section called Shake & Bake Mix Up. Its a port from darkierawrs shake and bake which he got from the Androidjonnys Mezmerize theme with a few extra touches.
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Good for you, you little themer, you! LOL.
Nice job. Too many people complaining about themes and not enough themers so you are a welcome addition.
Related
So, I just grabbed the Hero port from here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722122. And then, I did the following -
1) loaded into dsixda's kitchen and selected 'Advanced' and 'port'
2) used freshly compiled AOSP ROM with freshly compiled kernel as base for device (using Android Builder - link in sig)
3) replaced 'heroc' with 'desirec' in updater-script & build.prop
4) changed several lines in build.prop to change 'Sprint' into 'Verizon' & 'Hero CDMA' into 'Eris'
5) renamed 'init.heroc.rc' in ramdisk to 'init.desirec.rc'
6) copied 'desirec-keypad.kcm.bin' & 'desirec-keypad.kl' from planejane into appropriate locations
7) copied 'sensors.desirec.so' from planejane to appropriate location
Seriously. That's all that I did.
What works:
wifi
camera (no preview)
bluetooth (well it turns on, I don't have anything to test)
Market (after the Google bits are installed)
phone calls
3G
touch screen
buttons
lights
SMS
What doesn't work:
MMS (couldn't send)
OC won't work because the kernel I used doesn't have it.
This is really nice for no more work than it takes to port. It kind of hurts me, because I like the idea of compiling from source so much better...
I don't want to step on any toes of people who are doing real work, since I don't plan on maintaining this ROM. (Well, I didn't really do much of anything anyway!) So, hence the instructions above. Roll your own, if you want.
nice work has anybody tried this yet? i can guinea pig if not.
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Nevermind
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So, I just grabbed the Hero port from here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722122. And then, I did the following -
1) loaded into dsixda's kitchen and selected 'Advanced' and 'port'
2) used freshly compiled AOSP ROM with freshly compiled kernel as base for device (using Android Builder - link in sig)
3) replaced 'heroc' with 'desirec' in updater-script & build.prop
4) changed several lines in build.prop to change 'Sprint' into 'Verizon' & 'Hero CDMA' into 'Eris'
5) renamed 'init.heroc.rc' in ramdisk to 'init.desirec.rc'
6) copied 'desirec-keypad.kcm.bin' & 'desirec-keypad.kl' from planejane into appropriate locations
7) copied 'sensors.desirec.so' from planejane to appropriate location
Seriously. That's all that I did.
What works:
wifi
camera (no preview)
bluetooth (well it turns on, I don't have anything to test)
Market (after the Google bits are installed)
phone calls
3G
touch screen
buttons
lights
SMS
What doesn't work:
MMS (couldn't send)
OC won't work because the kernel I used doesn't have it.
This is really nice for no more work than it takes to port. It kind of hurts me, because I like the idea of compiling from source so much better...
I don't want to step on any toes of people who are doing real work, since I don't plan on maintaining this ROM. (Well, I didn't really do much of anything anyway!) So, hence the instructions above. Roll your own, if you want.
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am i missing the download link ?
rvpartsguy said:
am i missing the download link ?
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He is just giving instructions if you want to try and port your own...Hence, the last sentence.
rvpartsguy said:
am i missing the download link ?
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lol i ported this too .. if anyone wants to check it out ,, let me know
Team edward
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lol i ported this too .. if anyone wants to check it out ,, let me know
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lol nope there just isn't one up . . .
by the way gnarlyc for your own good, you should put a link up or edit the title before the heathens start chewing on your neck =)
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lol nope there just isn't one up . . .
by the way gnarlyc for your own good, you should put a link up or edit the title before the heathens start chewing on your neck =)
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Yeah, I thought that NOT putting [ROM] in the title would take care of it. Maybe not...
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Yeah, I thought that NOT putting [ROM] in the title would take care of it. Maybe not...
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if ur not gunna upload it , i have a copy that i will , if ur cool with that ?
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if ur not gunna upload it , i have a copy that i will , if ur cool with that ?
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Hey, I just provided the instructions... If I were going to post the ROM, I would make sure it's ok with darchstar. That's just me though. Since it's all open source, it may not matter one way or another.
So, yeah, it's ok with me! I haven't sent my build to anyone yet, so if you ported it, well, you ported it!
Thanks for asking. That's the way to be.
I do have one request though... If you make any more changes, can you post them too? And not just - "v53 - fixed thingy". I really like to see what people are doing, so I can learn how they did it. That's purely a request. You are in no way obligated.
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Hey, I just provided the instructions... If I were going to post the ROM, I would make sure it's ok with darchstar. That's just me though. Since it's all open source, it may not matter one way or another.
So, yeah, it's ok with me! I haven't sent my build to anyone yet, so if you ported it, well, you ported it!
Thanks for asking. That's the way to be.
I do have one request though... If you make any more changes, can you post them too? And not just - "v53 - fixed thingy". I really like to see what people are doing, so I can learn how they did it. That's purely a request. You are in no way obligated.[/QUOTE
he knows i ported it over ,he has let me b4 and there shouldnt be a problem
and yes i will
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he knows i ported it over ,he has let me b4 and there shouldnt be a problem
and yes i will
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Cool deal then. The next thing that I was going to do was change the "Sprint" in res/xml/eri.xml in the framework-res.apk to say Verizon. I had no idea of where to do that until last night when it was mentioned in the irc channel by andrew8806 & conap.
This is really good build. I'm using it right now as my everyday ROM. It will be good for this to be an option for people. It's just not a part of my plan... Muhahaha.
Rock on.
very informative, thanks for editing the title accordingly. =) don't need anymore flames rising. And also thanks for making sure to add the ASK DARCHSTAR part in the OP beings that there was already almost a issue between him the heroc community and one of the eris forum members(you already know who) due to a mixup.
I'm feeling like an idiot but I can't find ramdisk to make the necessary changes, othwise great info as always.
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I'm feeling like an idiot but I can't find ramdisk to make the necessary changes, othwise great info as always.
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If you are using dsixda's Kitchen, you can go to Advanced and then '15'. It will expand the boot.img out into a folder called BOOT-EXTRACTED, and there's a folder in there that is the contents of the ramdisk and the kernel. Be sure to build the boot.img back after making changes and before building the ROM.
This explains it -
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images
Thanks for the info and the link. I am new to Linux and android development so I am reading every bit of info I can get my hands on.
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Thanks for the info and the link. I am new to Linux and android development so I am reading every bit of info I can get my hands on.
Sent from my KaosFroyoEris
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Oh, ok. Me too. I just got this thing in March and started learning then. Here are more links that you might find helpful.
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images
http://forum.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
http://blog.coralic.nl/2010/01/28/build-eclair-aka-android-2-1-for-hero-from-source/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...how-build-your-own-kernel-package-source.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6738713&postcount=1
http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/index.html
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AcdxIJRSH9ypZGZzc2pxNDlfMjdnazk4OHNxZA&hl=en
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641223
http://adrianvintu.com/blogengine/post/Colored-Logcat-Script-for-Windows.aspx
http://www.androidenea.com/2009/08/init-process-and-initrc.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623976
http://lukasz.szmit.eu/2009/12/making-your-own-rooted-android-rom.html
http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers
http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk
http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform
I also find the G1 Android Development forum quite interesting. Start at the oldest posts and come forward. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and there's no telling how much I've missed by just skimming the subjects for interesting things.
There's a lot to learn. It takes time.
Thanks for the info and the link. I am new to Linux and android development so I am reading every bit of info I can get my hands on.
Sent from my KaosFroyoEris
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Oh, ok. Me too. I just got this thing in March and started learning then. Here are more links that you might find helpful.
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images
http://forum.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
http://blog.coralic.nl/2010/01/28/build-eclair-aka-android-2-1-for-hero-from-source/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...how-build-your-own-kernel-package-source.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6738713&postcount=1
http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/index.html
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AcdxIJRSH9ypZGZzc2pxNDlfMjdnazk4OHNxZA&hl=en
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641223
http://adrianvintu.com/blogengine/post/Colored-Logcat-Script-for-Windows.aspx
http://www.androidenea.com/2009/08/init-process-and-initrc.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623976
http://lukasz.szmit.eu/2009/12/making-your-own-rooted-android-rom.html
http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building
http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers
http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk
http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform
I also find the G1 Android Development forum quite interesting. Start at the oldest posts and come forward. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and there's no telling how much I've missed by just skimming the subjects for interesting things.
There's a lot to learn. It takes time.
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+ 1 on the G1 forum thanks for the post!
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First successful port done!
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First successful port done!
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Well done! Did you have to do anything that I did not list in the instructions in this thread? Share?
Honestly, it's real tempting to take yet another detour and make a plugin for the kitchen that will do the steps in the OP (CDMA Hero --> Eris) and maybe another one that's Eris --> CDMA Hero.
I don't think it will take much time to do, and it will make Hero ports even easier for people who don't have the time to dig into things as well as they probably should if they are going to be a dev. (There is a downside to making all of this easier to do...)
Well after my first week or so now of messing around with my EvO I figured it was maybe time to start posting.
I was thinking that maybe a whole thread of other people's setups they are using right now. (I know people change a lot, so maybe it would be cool for you to go back and add your changed setups to your original post.) I think by doing this it might help out other people and then also give others idea's.
I know some people put this information in their signature but I think that maybe it would be cool if this information was also included in one area that would be easy for others to locate. But this also means that for this thread to even work properly it's going to take a group effort.
Open for input, just shoot me a PM. (If no one post in the next four hours I will post mine first....
Already a thread like this in the theme section.
Swyped from my SBC powered ticking time bomb.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11125379#post11125379
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Sweet thanks a lot for the link. I just figured a thread like this would have been located here in this forum. Oh well......
Again thanks for the heads up with the link.
Can anyone help me figure out how to change keyboard background?
I have looked through everything and must be missing it somehow...
Well we found the files, edited one to test but now when we reflashed the swype.apk, no virtual keyboard is installed. ADB pushed it, reflashed it, moved it to system/app... no keyboard shows up after only changing one image...
I am confused...
I basically need to figure out how to resign the apk after customizing and I am pretty noob right now..
You'll be better off asking this in the theming subforum.
I figured it out finally. It was me being dumb is all...
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I figured it out finally. It was me being dumb is all...
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Would you mind contributing to the community and sharing the solution?
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Let me get it completely figured out first but then of course!!
To change it, you have to edit swype.apk and I have had to reflash 3 times now because I keep making little errors. It is kind of a painful process!
Well I finally got most of the editing done... I kept it pretty simple as far as the letters and I didn't really try hard with the placements on things because to be honest I wanted to throw the phone after awhile !
But here is a sample of what I did, if there is actually a demand for people wanting to do this then I will write a "how to" but I have to warn you it is painful and you will need experience with photo editing...
I changed the flame color in the background to be different for each mode.
And yes, Swype still works!
Consider this your first demand for a how-to.
Ha.. I will go ahead and get started on it then and post under themes/apps for everyone! I am not taking credit for doing it but I will write the how to for somebody to try.
Maddog and Illinois08 were the biggest help during the process so I will include them in the walk through.
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Consider this your first demand for a how-to.
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I have placed the how to under themes section.
Let me know if you have any questions...
I'm running civs latest rom coming from thor 12 I can't find a nice button theme or ui theme.. I wish I could use thor cuz of theme support and how stable it is..
Anyone know of ui or button theme that work well with civs roms?
Thanks again for your help
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So ... why cant you use thor?
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I'm running civs latest rom coming from thor 12 I can't find a nice button theme or ui theme.. I wish I could use thor cuz of theme support and how stable it is..
Anyone know of ui or button theme that work well with civs roms?
Thanks again for your help
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If you're going to be using your tab for any length of time, don't you think you should learn how to make your own button themes at the very least. You have the best resources (XDA) at your fingertips (literally). Learn to use the search function.
Then you won't have to whine about not having any.
Themed buttons take all of ten minutes to make....at the most!
Wow man what is your deal for the last couple of post I've done you have been a jerk! I understand you may have a better skill set then me, but doesnt mean you can just put ppl down I do not know how to make my own themes and with a new baby its hard to just read n search all the time so yea I'm gonna ask some questions! Don't think I haven't seen your work, I do like what you have done in our forums all your input has helped me & others but being rude to ppl F.Y.I. doesn't make you look so sweet. Plus ppl like you make it hard cuz no one want to be ridiculed for asking a question.
And to the other poster I have finally got Thor to work with everything for somereason my tab won't play Gameloft apk files unless they send me new one that was the reason for me not using thors rom in the 1st place
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Wow man what is your deal for the last couple of post I've done you have been a jerk! I understand you may have a better skill set then me, but doesnt mean you can just put ppl down I do not know how to make my own themes and with a new baby its hard to just read n search all the time so yea I'm gonna ask some questions! Don't think I haven't seen your work, I do like what you have done in our forums all your input has helped me & others but being rude to ppl F.Y.I. doesn't make you look so sweet. Plus ppl like you make it hard cuz no one want to be ridiculed for asking a question.
And to the other poster I have finally got Thor to work with everything for somereason my tab won't play Gameloft apk files unless they send me new one that was the reason for me not using thors rom in the 1st place
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intent and perception.
If you perceived my post to be rude, that is YOUR perception, not my intent. I may be blunt, but my post was true. I see all your posts, most of which could be fixed merely by reading, and then doing, instead of whining. It's not a "skill set", once again, it's "reading and doing". For the time it's taken you to post all of your "whining" (when you have a new baby) you could have had it figured out by simply reading other posts.
If you perceive my posts as being anything but helpful, look within instead of whining yet again.
OK point taken and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Sometimes this tab frustrates me lol I didn't mean to take it out on ya man.
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1st off,I class this as a development project/issue so if a moderator deems it not to be then move it to where you see fit.
Ok here we go....... this is an angry birds lock screen with sound that is included in the lewaos rom, I did manage to get the clock aligned to centre and get all birds visable with a custom wallpaper set for background but it was all messed up etc etc I've now spent as much time as my headache will allow lol trying to get this correct so I'm calling you out to make this work for our wildfire lewa. All images are in the zip and its a matter of editing the XML and resizing stuff I think but I've come to the end of my patience trying lol. If need be the zip is stored/located in system,media on the lewaos rom.
Really hope someone can and will attempt this.
Kindest regards slym.
http://db.tt/ebwuZaqy
HTC wildfire: LeWaOs
I'd class this as theme related but seens as I like you I won't ***** too much bout it...........
I'll have a look tomorrow unless someone beats me to it, cant promise anything though if its owt like miui locks, there a pain in the rear!
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I'd class this as theme related but seens as I like you I won't ***** too much bout it...........
I'll have a look tomorrow unless someone beats me to it, cant promise anything though if its owt like miui locks, there a pain in the rear!
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Lol,I was debating with myself where to post and agree but I'm sneaky mate and know it'll get more views here plus it does need developing!!!
Oh this is complex I think and will be a right pain in the rear lol
Cheers if manage just to look at it.
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Sorry I'm no developer but ive found a tool that I think would be great for this. I ve used it on your files and upload to you. Sorry if its no good, just wanting help.
http://db.tt/eQ5wwNdG
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Sorry I'm no developer but ive found a tool that I think would be great for this. I ve used it on your files and upload to you. Sorry if its no good, just wanting help.
http://db.tt/eQ5wwNdG
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Cheers had a play with it but still not there. Dont really understand how or what youve done because when i extract your file it contains all the res files that are not in the original so i tried 2 things.... 1. renamed your zip to lockscreen like the original, result was same as before so i tried 2. Placed the missing mp3 and main xml files into the ldpi drawable folder, renamed it face archived(rezipped) it to lockscreen placed into system, media result was all images really small but still in same alignment meaning not visable as i dont think youve altered the main xml x and y values etc etc which is where my headache began lol. Thanks anyway for efforts. If i need to do something i havnt then do let me know and i will test again.
HTC wildfire: LeWaOs
I used this tool on it that I've found on xda but no credit for me but I thought it could be helpful in re sizing apps/ frameworks and more. I hope here we may be able to make use of it. http://db.tt/pHKULGy4
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I used this tool on it that I've found on xda but no credit for me but I thought it could be helpful in re sizing apps/ frameworks and more. I hope here we may be able to make use of it. http://db.tt/pHKULGy4
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Cheers, i will check it out when i have chance.
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First format the xml so it is easier to read... Use this website for that: http://www.shell-tools.net/index.php?op=xml_format
I would give it a shot but by the time I download the LeWaOs to test it someone would already have it fully resized....
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First format the xml so it is easier to read... Use this website for that: http://www.shell-tools.net/index.php?op=xml_format
I would give it a shot but by the time I download the LeWaOs to test it someone would already have it fully resized....
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Cheers for interest vigi but i dont understand what that link does. I can already view and edit the main xml using esfile but i just cant get to grips with all the different values etc etc as each icon has a pressed state and unpressed state........ Blah blah blah. I think i will just give it up and leave it be. lol.
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I used this tool on it that I've found on xda but no credit for me but I thought it could be helpful in re sizing apps/ frameworks and more. I hope here we may be able to make use of it. http://db.tt/pHKULGy4
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Had a look and try but as far as i can see it only resizes the imgs which is a start i think but it does nothing to the xml so the positions/alignment of imgs are still set at original format.
P.s moved to general!! Lol its gotta be apps and theme related at its best? Oh well suppose my cheekiness didnt go down too well ;-)
HTC wildfire: LeWaOs