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hi everybody
ive come up with an idea,now the android builds/roms we use are normally from other android phones,Each android phone does something a bit different compared to others.Now Htc desire HD rom is slightly Different from a Desire Z rom.heres my idea,how about combining all the different features of the sence roms into one big build,you would need to use data to sd(euro hd2) Unfortunently im no dev,im just a graphic designer,heres what im thinking,base would be 2.3 gingerbread or froyo 2.2.1,have the menu from the nexus s(2.3),dunno if thats a 2.3 feature or not.720p recording if we can get that working,Evo keyboard,Strait bar lockscreen,bit like from the HD mini,Evolution sence bar(the bit at the bottom with the menu phone and personalise buttons),Framework close to stock but with a Battery indicator,Rotatable Sence From the Desire Z,Music player from Desire HD,Would be a big rom but crammed full of features,best of everything,obviusly HTC wont bring out android update for us so lets all do it.The Unofficial HTC HD2 android Rom,Any Devs wanna take up the challenge
I like the idea, but I think it would be impossible to do. htc employs teams of engineers working on these builds full time for one. And they have all the best in equipment and testing. So resources is an issue right off the bat.
In addition to that, I'm sure there's a reason why you can't move data.imgs from one build to another, they're probably not compatible.
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Like the reply above me says... we don't have an army of devs and millions of $ to spend on development. It's amazing what the devs have been able to do, but the main reason they have accomplished what they have is because there were similar devices we were able to port from. We are running a port... I don't think the hd2 will ever have its own Rom not taken from another device.
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Dude, its a nice thought but to wuote agent smith. Your living in a dream world neo.
i think it is possible,just take a bit of time,you just gotta look at it from a different angle.i have a theory about how to do it just a Dev would need actually need to do it,could even set up a Bounty if needs be but would be great to see.Base Rom we can use The desire Z 2.2.1 rom as base as its lighter than HD,i dont think Gingerbread is coming to desire Z just yet.So use that.Then incorperate the Desire HD music player(i have an apk for that)Near original framework but with a battery percentage in the battery icon(i have an apk for that).Evolution Sence bar or rEvolution you can get here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891520 ,Evo keyboard i think we can use HTC_IME wich i have an apk for aswell,you would need to use data to sd wich has allready been done becouse it would be a big build,All we need is for someone to bring em all together to Creat the rom,If somebody was wanting to do it i can put those apk up on here for download
Is this something someone here can port for the HD2??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955680
I would love a sense gingerbread rom, simply because I love the sense clocks and phone dialer
And Sense has better integration with MS Exchange...
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It will be great. I can not make without sense , and that is what is stops me to insstall something different.
Count me in!
Sense with gingerbread would be great
I think we have just to wait that HTC releases a Gingerbread update for the Desire HD or the Desire Z. With all the work already done by the devs here for porting these devices to the HD2, it shouldn't take a long time to have a Gingerbread + Sense on our beloved HD2.
Rumors says that a Desire 2 has Gingerbread w/sense..
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the desire s and the incredible s both have sense with gingerbread so may porting their rom would help
I think the devs have to wait for HTC to release the sdk for it too.
i want this happened too..
if i am correct a couple of days there was a gingerbread Rom on android.h2roms.com which supports sense. Unfortunately there is non avi at this moment. Can any1 confirm this? Or was this just a mistake which was corrected now?
As far as I now, there are no Gingerbread builds with real HTC Sense.
Most are fakes, because they are just including some third party widgets for the clock and the weather. They should not be allowed to put the word Sense in the title of their build.
Gingerbread w/Sense
All who are interested. Check out this thread. I haven't used it yet (still downloading) but looks very promising.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
Cheers
do you know any nand build of that rom? please post it, thanks!
Would certainly be interested in this. Good luck to anyone looking into it!
It would be nice to have a Gingerbread Sense build, not a "Sense-themed" one.
i simply like sense because you can manually link your contacts to fb. I like having my contact info with pictures =)
Try Sense of Eclipse. Very good Desire HD build with Sense 2.1 and a lot of Sense 3.0 stuff.
I really like CM7, but I would like a good Rom that has SenseUI. anyone know of one? i'd like it to be stable and most stuff working.
Orange Sense. HTC Sense, very fast and stable. Available in the development forum.
I have a question...pardon my ignorance on the matter...
What exactly are "earmarks" of a senseUI? I used my stock glacier rom until only last week, and now am using CM7/RC4, and I fail to see the UI differences. This surprised me because I see people have some pretty strong feelings for or against senseUI compared to Android stock UI.
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they are two different rom types, the sense framework takes up more space, but it is really fancy with the clock that's the only reason i want it.
You want the old fashioned 1980s flip clock that you see in most of the Mytouch 4G print ads? I didn't even realize that was now not an option...
I cannot imagine you can't use it though. Just review all the different home launchers... There had got to be one that will let you use this clock.
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syntropic said:
I have a question...pardon my ignorance on the matter...
What exactly are "earmarks" of a senseUI? I used my stock glacier rom until only last week, and now am using CM7/RC4, and I fail to see the UI differences. This surprised me because I see people have some pretty strong feelings for or against senseUI compared to Android stock UI.
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You don't see the difference between Sense and the standard Android UI?
Also, the stock MT4G ROM is not real Sense. It's a T-Mobile customized version that isn't near as attractive. "Real" Sense is much more attractive.
TeeJay3800 said:
You don't see the difference between Sense and the standard Android UI?
Also, the stock MT4G ROM is not real Sense. It's a T-Mobile customized version that isn't near as attractive. "Real" Sense is much more attractive.
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Not really, and I am usually big on bells and whistles too. I think I may go back to sense (a modded 2.3 rom). Are there any you (or anyone with an opinion) suggest I try out first?
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the modded 2.3 ones aren't stable i don't think, that's why im asking is there one lol. most have issues running somethings like bluetooth or camera.
Evil's 4G-HD Desire HD rom. Pair it with the latest Faux Sense kernel and it will fly! Everything works!
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Not really, and I am usually big on bells and whistles too. I think I may go back to sense (a modded 2.3 rom). Are there any you (or anyone with an opinion) suggest I try out first?
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The two posts above this one pretty much sums it up.
Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 ROMs aren't fully functional or stable yet.
If you want Sense, try eViL's Desire HD port. Link is in my sig.
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The two posts above this one pretty much sums it up.
Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 ROMs aren't fully functional or stable yet.
If you want Sense, try eViL's Desire HD port. Link is in my sig.
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Great.. will try it out. The only things I have noticed that are different are small niceties, which may have nothing to do with sense and cm7. For example, in the glacier's stock rom, I loved that you could be on the phone and simply set it on a table rear side up, and haptics would turn on the speakerphone. It doesn't sound like much but small things like this add up and overall gave me a better experience.
Can I ask why faux and others at cyanogen are able to create 4 release candidates for their 2.3 rom, yet a stable 2.3 sense rom is still weeks away? Is this because of the morons over at HTC, who don't understand what open source means and won't release their code?
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Can I ask why faux and others at cyanogen are able to create 4 release candidates for their 2.3 rom, yet a stable 2.3 sense rom is still weeks away? Is this because of the morons over at HTC, who don't understand what open source means and won't release their code?
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Pretty much. We'll of course never have the source code to Sense, but a good dump from a similar phone can be ported. The problem is, the only Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 dump we have is from the Incredible S, and despite the similarities in hardware, the kernel isn't directly compatible. It sounds like until we get a better starting point, those ROMs will be buggy and missing features.
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Pretty much. We'll of course never have the source code to Sense, but a good dump from a similar phone can be ported. The problem is, the only Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 dump we have is from the Incredible S, and despite the similarities in hardware, the kernel isn't directly compatible. It sounds like until we get a better starting point, those ROMs will be buggy and missing features.
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By dump do you mean the actual code? And so is motorola (or whoever is behind the incredible...cannot recall at the moment) releasing their code? Because if you are just doing a memory dump and doing some RE to get the actual code, I would ask why that can't be done with the glacier.
And as long you have something a little better than binary, I would think you could get some reasonable starting point from the glacier stock. I am not really skilled in the art as of yet so consider me mostly speaking out of my ass. But I am quite interested. Maybe I will try to get the sense code for you . I mean there has to be a few draft versions in some server not locked up tight.
Oh..and lastly, so evil's rom is a quasi 2.3 (not in substance) with the kernel being 2.2 just tricked out?
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At this point, I don't think I know much more about this than you. I know a dump is much like the ROMs that we flash to our phones...it's the phones entire OS and software package which can then be ported to other phones (assume their of the same manufacturer and are somewhat similar). As you know, the Desire HD is nearly identical to the Glacier (minus the screen) so a dump from it can be easily ported to our phones, and after some "devving", will run perfectly on the MT4G. As far as binaries and code, that's all way beyond me. An actual dev could give you a lot more detailed info.
I asked this earlier and I think it just got lost... but in regard to a sense rom, is evil's rom like a "quasi" 2.3 (has the look but not the substance of gingerbread) with a 2.2.1 kernel that's just tricked out, updated, etc.?
I am not familiar with kernels being separate from the rom. Why is this done? I am sure the install is not too difficult (considering what I have been through with CM7), but is there a guide here,our should I just comb the threads for an installation overview for the sense roms/kernels?
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Edit: I started reading the thread for evil's rom.. and for now, I think I might go back to stock, and upgrade the kernel. (unless there are really no problems worth the Z port, like ffc or wifi issues). So with that said, which kernel is best for the HD sense stock rom (or which stock rom out there has been enhanced the best with everything still functional)? I know there aren't that many different upgraded stock roms/kernels, but of the ones I found, they seem the same.
Sorry to makes this long but I ask this because I see people with just the stock plus an upgraded kernel, but then also, there is the Orange Glacier which is an enhanced stock rom.... Wouldn't those two packages be virtually identical?
Or am I just letting this kernel factor confuse me?
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Forget it.... I just spent 3 hours in the dev threads.... The nomenclature mess was making my eyes bleed... Orange Glacier, Iced Glacier, Royal Ginger, Royal Mint, Royal Jelly, KY Jelly... %^$#^
So... I retract my earlier decision and I am going to stay on the bleeding edge with CM7... F*ck it if I can't do progressive scan video or get reply notifications to MMS messages sent to CDMA networks!!*
*I just made those two things up... It means to say that the bugs that do exist in CM7 are very arcane and minor... But I am an easy sell so tomorrow I will probably want to go back to sense.
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To the Vision ROMS Mods,
would you kindly make us a CM7 Sense ROM? A CM7 ROM with or able to take HTC Sense Widgtes?
It is hard, yes, and our mods are hardworking. It is impossible, no, there is no such a thing as impossible when it comes to technology on XDA-Developers.
Hoping and waiting and believing!
This ... would be epic.
It's not impossible, but it's not worth the effort. The Sense widgets require the Sense framework which is closed source. In order to merge the two, you would need to reverse-engineer the Sense framework which is near impossible. So, no, it's not gonna happen.
This has been talked about countless times for years.. if it was possible it would of been achieved by now..
just saying..
on that note, I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
This would be like the yankees and red sox merging to form one entity.
i think every one would love that, it would be great but who knows maybe soon they will, i mean they have sense-ish with vanilla so maybe
If only such a thing was possible... a Sense/CM7 hybrid would be the best ROM ever, hands down
Shame it isn't though, as someone already mentioned, it would involve reverse-engineering Sense since it's closed source, and CM is strictly AOSP
its a extremely difficult task that may not even have a nice reward at the end. Look at how pissed HTC got with the Beautiful widgets looking too much like theirs. My guess is that if a dev did in fact pull this off, it'd be shutdown before most of us could enjoy it...
I actually prefer having to choose between one and the other, since they are so distinct in style. I think some of the "conveniences" of Sense could easily be easily be written into AOSP roms, but in terms of aesthetics and style - I like them being separate.
If a "blend" is what you want, then you should probably give UD a spin, but I'm pretty sure that will fall short of what you seek.
This belongs in the general section. Android has been out since 2008, you don't think someone has already thought about wanting this? And 3 years later it hasn't been accomplished yet? It should already be obvious its not done yet because it's damn near impossible. But hey its not bad to ask for something. Only thing i think would ever be close to this is someone making a stock launcher with beautiful widgets incorperated into it or something hellishly close to
Sense widgets. But besides that, please don't ever, EVER, count on it.
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do it with Sense 3.0 and ill donate a ton, and run around my neighborhood naked! lol
Makes me wonder, what ever happened to sillian?
I've never been a fan of sense, CM is great how it is.
dilfatx said:
I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
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actually the senseginger 3.0 rom is almost that, you can disable htc lockscreen in lieu of vanilla lockscreen, it has the nice gingerbread on/off screen animations, I use launcher pro plus with it and everything seems pretty damn snappy... the launcher pro plus widgets are practically direct copies of the htc widgets, and I get to have a 5x5 homescreen... I'm sure once the source drops for the htc gingerbread vision kernel I'll get stellar quadrant scores as I do on virtuous 1.0.2 (2500+ @ 1402Mhz)
no way...if you want sense, use a sense rom.
Sense is teh suck
When Mike update his base for the ARHD rom, a lot of feature/mods needed to be be updated. like themes etc.
I asked a theme developer to update his theme and he asked me why should he still be udating sense 2.1 when theres already a sense 3.
I thought of that, even though we dont have an official sense 3 release for DHD, but most dev have achieved a stable sense 3 roms for DHD.
I can easily swap roms, but am a good fan of mike1986 and would like to make a request for a sense 3 based ARHD. since everyone is flashing sense 3 mods, we can all as well beg for a sense 3 rom.
i understand its a challenging request to make but i started this thread to ask other intrested users to support me. please vote
and hope mike and his team would put this into consideration
hit thanks if u like the idea
the idea is to keep this close to stock and as stable as possible. i'd rather have a reliable rom that functions properly than a bunch of flare that causes issues. mike and team have provided the proper OPTIONS to add these elements to the rom if one chooses to do so.
I'd say that's a rather bad idea, since Sense 3.0 was never designed for this device, is still unstable and certainly slower.
ARHD is not one of the experimental ROMs, it stands for stability and performance.
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Sense 3 sucks. It doesn't matter what you say it slows the device down. The only way ARHD should move to Sense 3 is if there is an official update from HTC with Sense 3 included. Otherwise it is Sense 2.1 all the way baby!
I beg to differ. Im on virtuous unity, and its stable as hell! What is this criticism based on? U say this and that bout sense 3, but have u tried a sense 3 rom?
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dashrink said:
I beg to differ. Im on virtuous unity, and its stable as hell! What is this criticism based on? U say this and that bout sense 3, but have u tried a sense 3 rom?
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Sense 3.0 is designed for phones with a dual-core processor, no?
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Sense 3.0 is designed for phones with a dual-core processor, no?
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designed, mike can design it to work on any cpu, thats why he is the best, thats why this request.
even if there is no switch, he can still make a new rom, to add to his catalogue of roms
Like others have pointed out, the concept behind ARHD is to keep visual stock and to improve the performance etc. If you would like sense 3 goodness, flash the addons or simply move to another rom.
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mike has already answered this!
he WILL move to a sense 3 base ONCE HTC RELEASE AND OFFICAL DHD SENSE 3 UPDATE
until then he wants to stick to a non ported offical base, who can blame him! it runs so slick!
at the end of the day its his personal time that is taken up developing arhd for us, and this is why we like it so much! if you dont then move to a ported sense 3 rom
arhd is one of the best roms. i would suggest to keep one as close to stock as possible and one seperate arhd rom with sense 3.0, so once its perferct we can all flash
i agree unity rom are really niice !!
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Sense 3.0 is designed for phones with a dual-core processor, no?
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No. Sense 3.0 was released on phones that have dual core processors, but it really doesn't make a difference. All of the Sense 3.0 stuff, I bet, will be mostly running off a single core.
It's just a matter of porting and optimising for the DHD.
As to whether or not ARHD should move to Sense 3.0, no. The whole point is that it's a ROM that runs off of the latest stock base. It is supposed to feel stock, work like it's stock, and run reliably like it's stock. Because for the most part, it is stock.
If you want Sense 3.0, you have two choices already, RCMix3D and Virtuous Unity.
I am also an ARHD fan but now im using Virtuous Unity, its stable, ok not as stable as ARHD but its sense 3...
sense 3.0 is cool but ARHD is maded for ver2.1 and this step may cause troubles...
Kaloyanski said:
sense 3.0 is cool but ARHD is maded for ver2.1 and this step may cause troubles...
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no is saying that 2.1 should be abandoned, we requesting a sense 3 rom.
whats the point flashing add-ons when u can have one rom with the add-ons
spaco22 said:
no is saying that 2.1 should be abandoned, we requesting a sense 3 rom.
whats the point flashing add-ons when u can have one rom with the add-ons
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The point of add-ons is the freedom of choice which one, and when to use them!! I would say ...
Sorry... you guys missed one feature difference -> DOLBY..
I bought this phone mainly for Dolby + HTC
Sense 3 dosent support DOLBY so a no go from me...
Other than DOLBY sense 3 is a good ROM to be with DHD
vicedens2002 said:
Sorry... you guys missed one feature difference -> DOLBY..
I bought this phone mainly for Dolby + HTC
Sense 3 dosent support DOLBY so a no go from me...
Other than DOLBY sense 3 is a good ROM to be with DHD
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Same here. Sense 2.1 all the way.
flashing the add-ons won't eat much time if you really want a Sense 3.0 feeling to your ARHD Rom...
j_franco_28 said:
flashing the add-ons won't eat much time if you really want a Sense 3.0 feeling to your ARHD Rom...
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This. This is what I have done. All you are missing out on without Sense 3.0 are widgets (only Photo Grid comes to mind), the camera with HDR (which you can use on the latest base without problems, though you are downgrading the framework doing that) and 3D homescreens (which by nature have a low frame rate).
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spaco22 said:
no is saying that 2.1 should be abandoned, we requesting a sense 3 rom.
whats the point flashing add-ons when u can have one rom with the add-ons
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thats easy for you to say when its not your time being taken up developing! and mike does what 4 or 5 ROMS and you want him to make ANOTHER JUST BECAUSE YOUR TO PISSING LAZY TO FLASH ADDONS
LOL YOUR A JOKE MATE