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After playing around with the 10.1v for a couple of days, here are the problems I've come across.
Android Ver. : 3.01
Kernel Ver. : 2.6.36.3-00558-g7c1c334
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Build number: HRI83.BUKD9
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Video playback is pretty choppy [alt. thread]
So far I haven't got any 1080p .mkv files to work. Heck most of my 720p .mkv stutters or doesn't play at all anyway. All are H.264/x264 .mkvs played using either MoboPlayer (with the ARMV7VFP codec update installed) or the default player. I know the literature mentioned that only H.264 Main profile is supported, but come on, my SGS plays those videos fine (except one which has an AC3 track - fair enough).
I'm guessing this is due to the lack of NEON hardware in Tegra 2. Nice job nvidia.
Update: After googling around it seems like there's no built in support for Tegra 2's h.264 decode hardware acceleration in the native Honeycomb libraries (--devs correct me if I'm wrong). There is however, this youtube video showing an unreleased Cyberlink media player doing hw acceleration. Although note that the device he's holding is a Galaxy Tab 7" (which of course, runs Hummingbird, and AFAIK there's no Tegra 2 version in the wild).
Apps have problems with plugged in headphones
This is really weird and annoying. If I plug my headphones to the jack in the middle of a video/audio playback (using both the default player and MoboPlayer), the sound would get routed to the headphones just fine. But when I, say, switch apps, or change media files using the gallery, sometimes the sound would get routed to the speakers even though my headphones are still plugged in. I can fix this by unplugging the headphone (which pauses the video/music) and plugging it back in - but it gets irritating after a while.
No proxy server settings
Important since I'm behind a server which I would really like to be removed but that's beyond my power. The XOOM guys have the problem as well. Just used Proxy Settings from the marketplace and most things would work.
App downloads fails sometimes
Sometimes if I put the marketplace into the background, downloads would continue to 100% but fail to install. Not sure if it's just me though. *Edited*
Browser ALWAYS fails to download stuff through the proxy
Weird really. Every time I clicked "save link as" or a site would try to download something it would fail - but only if I'm behind a server. I try to browse using WiFi as often as I can since I don't have that much quota with vodafone. Note that I am behind a Squid proxy with plaintext authentication (I just hate those stupid admins!) - without the username/password you'll just get HTTP error 407. I can browse using the exact same ports and protocol (HTTP) but can't download through the proxy. I still can't figure that out at all.
The only way I can get around this is by using Opera, and setting the proxy server in manually using opera:config.
No way to force the browser to use a desktop UAString
There's a solution to this apparently, and it works: link.
Contact imports sometimes gets stuck
Importing contacts from a .vcf file sometimes hangs (not force close) the contacts app. I exported my contact list from my SGS (had about ~112 contacts with disp. photos and multiple numbers in some of them) and put them in the Tab, and had to import 3 times. What's worse, I ended up with duplicate copies of the same contacts. So I figured out the easiest way of doing this is to delete the whole contact list and start again, but---
---There's no way to delete multiple contacts at once. I spent like 2 mins deleting contacts one by one.
Update: Solution: Sync contacts via your Google account. Thanks pegaxs for pointing this out.
Marketplace automatically switches screen to landscape mode
This annoys the hell out of me since I usually browse in potrait mode - the device feels a lot nicer that way. Whenever I launch the market, it rotates itself. Minor thing, but annoying. Okay, I'm nitpicking.
On top of those - only 1 usb cable (which wouldn't be a problem if it can be charged using USB ports in the computer), and a short cable at that. wtf.
Fyuh. Rant finished. For now.
Can someone confirm these on their tab as well? I can't seem to find any updates at all.
There's also no WhatsApp, Adobe Reader (the QuickOffice HD works, so not really a complaint), or a text messaging app (but curiously you can send an SMS to it and read it by sending it to your broadband number - it'll appear under Service Info. I haven't tried MMSing yet, but I tried calling to it. It just hangs up (with a busy tone).
Add to that list "backlight bleeding". Watched some videos last night for the first time (re-encoded some 720p mkv because they wont play) and noticed a lot of back light bleeding along the lower edge and along the right hand edge. Probably would not have been as bad or noticable if the video played at full screen. It only plays up to the limit of the buttons in moboplayer. The built in player plays full screen... BUT... wont play native divx/xvid.
And yes, have to agree... that USB cable could have been a little shorter... OMG! how bad is it. I know the size of the battery wont allow it to charge off the computer USB, but i have to put my tab on the floor to reach. Going out to buy a USB extension today...
The SMS thing seems to be a honeycomb issue, as all the Xoom guys are complaining as well... I cant find any settings for it anyway, as there is on say, the phone version of android. It is a bity sad that apps like "whatsapp" cant be used in it's place. I have seen a post somewhere saying "textfree" might work, but it is most likely restricted to US markets as it gives you a US phone number to SMS to.
As for importing contacts, i just sync them to the Google account and they come up on all my devices. No moving files around, or importing/exporting... just sync to gmail and on the next sync, any device you have linked to that account will be updated with the contacts list.
I hope a lot of the issues OS wise, like adobe acro reader and mkv/divx support will be updated in the next version of Honeycomb, like it has been developing on phone android. Maybe when twiz is released for the samsung tab, it might bring with it more of the same functionality as the Galaxy S phone does. The phone seems a better candidate as being a tab then the 10.1v does
interested to see where it goes from here... I can see it's not perfect, but i can see it isnt a bad start and it has so much more potential to improve
I feel like the volume up/down buttons are the wrong way around? i.e. the volume control button nearest the unlock/lock button is volume DOWN and i feel like it should increase volume?
Also when i press unlock the screen takes roughly 1 second to light up
(not huge issues, but little things that would seem easy to fix)
How bad is the backlight bleed? I haven't seen anybody else mention it on the Samsungs. I did just learn that Samsung doesn't always use their own panels in their products. They also seem to use different parts in the european products vs. the US counterparts.
Considering all the hoopla over the iPad 2 and the backlight bleed, I would think manufacturers might be a bit more cautious. Apparently that problem was due to LG, who Samsung sometimes uses.
I hope this doesn't turn into another iPad 2 and Asus Transformer problem where it takes fifteen tries to get a decent product.
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How bad is the backlight bleed? I haven't seen anybody else mention it on the Samsungs. I did just learn that Samsung doesn't always use their own panels in their products. They also seem to use different parts in the european products vs. the US counterparts.
Considering all the hoopla over the iPad 2 and the backlight bleed, I would think manufacturers might be a bit more cautious. Apparently that problem was due to LG, who Samsung sometimes uses.
I hope this doesn't turn into another iPad 2 and Asus Transformer problem where it takes fifteen tries to get a decent product.
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Didn't notice this on a European unit.
pegaxs said:
Add to that list "backlight bleeding". Watched some videos last night for the first time (re-encoded some 720p mkv because they wont play) and noticed a lot of back light bleeding along the lower edge and along the right hand edge. Probably would not have been as bad or noticable if the video played at full screen. It only plays up to the limit of the buttons in moboplayer. The built in player plays full screen... BUT... wont play native divx/xvid.
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I didn't really notice much of the backlight bleed, but then again I might be too tolerant on that. I've got the display set at like 30%-40% brightness most of the time anyway. I personally think that the bleed is about the same as the Galaxy Tab 7".
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And yes, have to agree... that USB cable could have been a little shorter... OMG! how bad is it. I know the size of the battery wont allow it to charge off the computer USB, but i have to put my tab on the floor to reach. Going out to buy a USB extension today...
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I need to get an extra one, since I charge mine next to my bed and the computer is on the other side of the room. I don't want to keep switching cables. I'll give a visit to the vodafone store to see if i can get one. Or just grab one off ebay.
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As for importing contacts, i just sync them to the Google account and they come up on all my devices. No moving files around, or importing/exporting... just sync to gmail and on the next sync, any device you have linked to that account will be updated with the contacts list.
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:facepalm: why didn't I think of that
I'm pretty sure the problem is mostly software (well, apart from the backlight bleed), so I'm hoping a future update would clean this up for us. So far I've got the I8000 (good for nothing except playing movies) and the SGS. I9000 and both are excellent PMP devices.
Oh for those curious, there's a way to force the native browser to use desktop UA strings to sites: link It's for the XOOM but I've tried it and it works.
market apps no link
after downloading certain apps when i went back to the market those apps are showing free or $ amount instead of installed is that happening with everyone or just me. dosent look like market is registering my installed apps.
I noticed the same within the market app.. thought it was a feature
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When the screen is black and on full brightness it looks horrible about 10% off the screen is lightgrey at best.
When using the device you don't notice it. Unless the edges of the screen are (supposed to be) black, while the brightness is close to Max...
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I noticed the same within the market app.. thought it was a feature
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I agree, I think it is a "feature" of the Honeycomb Market. If you go to the "My Apps" section of the Market - everything you have downloaded or purchased will appear there, but they just show as "Free" or "$x.xx" when casually browsing for apps - which I find annoying.
My tab works great, the only issue is that I've got extreme backlight bleeding at the bottom and at the right side of the screen, the right side is not much of an issue but the bottom is extremely annoying due to the black. I'm about to return it.
Yes, the backlight bleeding is a serious issue.
I've seen 3 of these devices now and they all have the same extreme case of it.
I'm going to start to start a new thread soon when I have a chance to take some good photos, unless someone beats me to the punch
Heres mine, Vodafone got a new one ordered for me which can take up to two weeks for whatever reason. If it has the same issues I will claim my money back and wait for the thin version.
As to the OP for HD video playing, i was testing the HD capability and found that even with a Xoom its unable to play full 1080 and 720 without recoding them. Thankfully a xoom owner has already done his bit of testing and all you need to do is download HandBrake and import his settings Settings Link. Encoding takes a while but i have tested on 1080p and 720p and they play just fine. File size i took from 1080p was about 15gb and it was reduced to about 2GB or so. You'll still need to get rockplayer as it does HW decoding to make the video play smoothly. alternatively you can use moboplayer but i prefer rockplayer's quality decoding for some reason
I also have some backlight bleeding issue, but only when i turn my brightness all the way up, i generally leave it on auto now and there's no bleed what so ever. I believe someone on WP has already mention that he checked all the 10.1v available in the Vodafone store in his location and they all have backlight bleeding issue and i believe it to be a batch and QA issue.
Other than that its more towards apps not compatible with honeycomb and they tend to force close a fair bit. Even the app market and app list drawer tend to crash often and the uptake to produce 3.0 compatible apps have been very slow from what i see, but hopefully those 5000 people that receive the new 10.1 sexy tab will be motivated to make apps and widgets.
I created a bounty thread for this tool in the i717 Galaxy Note General forums but wanted to make it know to the n7000 users too as it should work on all Galaxy Note models (And hopefully many other phones).
The Goal: A tool to spoof DPI at a per-app level to enable use of both Tablet and Phone apps without changing the default system DPI
Please keeping pledging in the original thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1594559
Thanks
Why would you want to use an app not designed for a certain dpi to work in a crippled way ??
It would be much wiser to find a way to change the dpi 'on the fly' as you can do in windows for example. Maybe Google will make it possible one day, as we can already run apps in 'window mode' in ICS
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Why would you want to use an app not designed for a certain dpi to work in a crippled way ??
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You're looking at it the wrong way around.
Telling apps like Gmail, YouTube and tablet specific Apps you have a Tablet DPI enables UI layouts specifically designed for tablet viewing, they are not crippled, they are enhanced.
The Note's display resolution makes it a perfectly capable mini tablet that can run UI layouts designed for tablets. Samsung insist the Note is a phone and have gimped the system by removing tablet support despite the device having a 1280x800 screen.
Some may prefer using tablet mode, others may say it's too small, this tool is for the former rather than the latter.
I have attached pics of the awesome tablet views of Gmail, Youtube and BeyondPod running on my Note.
yes but it makes no sense to run them in tablet ui if you are set on a dpi of 320 even in 1280x800...
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yes but it makes no sense to run them in tablet ui if you are set on a dpi of 320 even in 1280x800...
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In Android DPI is an arbritrary measurement, dont get it mixed up with PPI, all you have to do is tell the App you are at 200 DPI and it will display that way
If that were true, then there would be no need to reboot when changing dpi, it could be done on application level which is, as far as i know, not possible.
However I could be mistaking, i will catch up on it....
As I see it now you would just only get your Gmail in tablet UI, displaying only half of it's content because the rest will fall beside the screen.
I think its a great idea +1
Gmail tablet UI is awesome.
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I think its a great idea +1
Gmail tablet UI is awesome.
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Don't get me wrong, i think it is a great idea as well.
But i doubt it is actually possible in the current android architecture
I don't care about UI differences. I want the stupid apps to install from the market.
So, far, they all look the same even when they're "incompatible". Typical lame crap.
It is done in the Asus Padfone, so it can't be impossible.
And how do you cope when the apps try scaling to the different LCD Density and half of the display is off the side of the screen, or things are bunched up in the corner of the display?
Wow, this is extremely needed thing! I realy like Tablet Mode on my Note, but can't use it because of many FCs. Sometimes I prefer Tablet Mode (Opera Mobile, Apex Launcher, File managers, Aquamail, Youtube official app and others), and sometimes standart "Phone" mode (Phone apps, S Memo, some small script apps, some games and others). Don't listen to those fools who say that this program is not needed.
This is exactly what I'm longing to see but I don't think it's possible for now as it's rather an OS related issue then just a software issue. I belive Asus padfone works only in low tablet dpi too. Apps only open in tablet mode . You can't change resolution on the fly
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The problem is not changing the resolution on the fly,
but changing the dpi on the fly, keeping the same resolution
Totaly agree. I'd love to use those apps in tablet mode with spoofed DPI:
- Poeple
- Calendar
- Mail
- Music
- Calculator
- Settings
But the rest ? I really prefer phone UI for messaging, lockscreen, homescreen and the keyboard cause tablet keyboard is a nightmare to use.
There are some mods to force Settings.apk to work in tablet mode while in phone ui - but that's just wrong cause everything is ugly-huge and not readable. Would be great to force those apps to work AND display like in 180-200dpi while the phone ( and the rest ) works in 320dpi.
But is that even possible ?
That's it!
That is exactly waht I want for the Note!
Ok, I did originally post a thread in the Nexus 10 forum, as originally I was planning to upgrade to either a Nexus 10 or an iPad 4 (largely due to the high powered processors and the lovely high-def screens).
However, as one of the things I use my iPad for is drawing (mostly vector based at the moment) someone pointed out that the Note10.1 might be a better option.
The relatively low-resolution screen (barely more than my ipad1) put me off though... but seeing as I can pick up a Note10.1 for £268 at the moment.... this is in its favour.
And something else also grabbed me when I researched, and that is this video... (hope this link works)
edit: link didnt work, so I put this one up.
http://youtu.be/LZ3krff1JCE
The multi-window and dual-view things... which I *believe* is not in the standard android toolkit? Though originally I was happy with the android floating apps, like lilypad and stickit, for having videos floating over my work etc...
So basically, I had become intrigued by this tablet, and I wanted the thoughts of professional Note users like you guys!
my art style is shown here -- niiru.deviantart.com
in case that helps. All the newer stuff was done on a vector program on the iPad, the older stuff is sketchbook pro (also iPad).
Vector program means the S-Pen is not needed for me... though if it is good, it could help me to develop more techniques, which would be a good thing.
Things I'd like answers to:
- Is the screen any good? I know the resolution is low... if you dual-view two apps, do they become blurred? etc...
- Is is powerful enough to multi-task apps, or play high-spec stuff, without slowdown or lag? I need this to be fairly future-proofed if possible..
- Considering the main (if not only) reason to get this over a Nexus10 is the SPen... how good is it really?? I have heard that, due to some problems with interference in certain parts of the screen, it loses accuracy in certain places? Which would be pretty much terrible...
(link to this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1970470)
Thanks guys, I hope you can convince me or if not, recommend either the Nexus or the iPad for me!! haha
28 pages of comparison to the N10. A lot focused on the display.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952512
BarryH_GEG said:
28 pages of comparison to the N10. A lot focused on the display.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952512
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I did start reading this, though a lot of it did not seem to be related to what I needed (a lot of it is pre-nexus release anyway). I'm still reading through the last few pages though.
Seems like the screen being low resolution is not to bad a downside.. mainly due to the lower drag on processor power. However I would like to hear peoples opinions on wether dual-viewing items makes them blurry. I'm hoping not.
nirurin said:
I did start reading this, though a lot of it did not seem to be related to what I needed (a lot of it is pre-nexus release anyway). I'm still reading through the last few pages though.
Seems like the screen being low resolution is not to bad a downside.. mainly due to the lower drag on processor power. However I would like to hear peoples opinions on wether dual-viewing items makes them blurry. I'm hoping not.
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This pretty much sums it up. For all but text and the UI the additional pixels won't make much of a difference. Most of the apps in multiview display the same size fonts and graphics only in 50% less space. The browser resizes text in multiview and a higher PPI display would definitely help. In everyday use the lower res display isn't a problem. But if it weren't for the S-Pen and the rest of the features Samsung's added which I personally get a lot of use out of I'd probably go with N10. If a FHD version of the Note comes out next year I'll definitely upgrade to it. Until then the other stuff means more to me than FHD.
When it comes to 1080p on a smartphone, he admits that it might not matter for the most casual users. "For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side," he said in a phone interview with Ars. "If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you."
For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.
Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text. "Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.
After about 15 inches, "the much higher 326 ppi is 'wasted' because the eye can't resolve sharpness above 229 ppi." The further away a person gets, the more gradual the reduction in perceived image sharpness.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
Mind if I ask what "other stuff" you use from the samsung list? Dualview and multi-windows from the new update does seem very nice, what else is there that might tip my balance?
being able to get one for £270 is nice too, so if anyone knows of a recommended case too thats not too expensive?
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Mind if I ask what "other stuff" you use from the samsung list? Dualview and multi-windows from the new update does seem very nice, what else is there that might tip my balance?
being able to get one for £270 is nice too, so if anyone knows of a recommended case too thats not too expensive?
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Here's the laundry lost of what the Note can do. What I find particularly useful is in red. People use their devices differently and may have different hot buttons.
- Multiview (enhanced in JB)
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps (enhanced in JB)
- Enhanced audio and video codec support
- IR port
- Browser h/w acceleration
- S-Voice (added in JB)
- Air View (added in JB)
- Group Cast (added in JB)
Video Air View – Preview videos without opening them. View future/past scenes in a playing video via the timeline without stopping it.
Photo Air View – Pictures contained in folders will display in thumbnails when you hover over the folder. They advance nine at a time.
E-Mail Air View – Hover the pen over a heading or contents of an e-mail summary (including via the widget) to see an exploded view of the contents without opening it.
S-Planner Air View – Hover the pen over an event or task to see an exploded view without opening it.
Pop Up Note – Tap the screen twice with the S-Pen button depressed and a pop up note will be displayed. Even on the lock screen when the device is locked. On the N8000, if you’re in a call and remove the S-Pen from its holder, a pop up note automatically opens.
Easy Clip – Capture anything on the display (lasso) anywhere and save it to the clipboard or send it an application (including S-Note).
Draw/Write on an e-mail – As it says.
Draw/Write in S-Planner – As it says (Month View only)
Color Picker – In S-Note, set the ink color to a color selected from a picture.
Pen Switch – Select multiple pen types (color, texture, weight) and toggle through them without opening the menu by pressing the button on the S-Pen once.
Sketch Affect – Change any picture to an outline, color sketch, pencil sketch and more from within S-Note.
Share S-Notes – Convert S-Notes to plain text, PDFs, or pictures and share them via Facebook etc. in one step.
Photo Note – Write personal notes on the back of photos
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Hmm... the multi-view stuff was a definite draw to me, and the mini-apps is interesting? I'll look into that one.
The ability to chuck down a pop-up note anywhere is also *very* interesting to me. I tend to use evernote for my small notes...
I believe that the multi-windows and dual-view is limited to only a few specific apps, is this still true with JB? (I did see a thread where someone had made a program to add multi-view to a lot of other .apks... which might be good as an alternative anyway)
At the moment, despite the screen resolution, the Note is edging ahead of the Nexus for me. The potential for the pen to make me improve my work is intriguing.
I'm going to check the accessories thread to find out about case recommendations etc
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I believe that the multi-windows and dual-view is limited to only a few specific apps, is this still true with JB?
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Mini apps and multiview were merged in JB. Mini apps pre-JB were a bunch of utility apps like calculator, alarm, mini note, etc. To access them you'd hit the up carrot in the notification bar. They were fixed in size but could be moved and stacked across the screen.
Pre-JB multiview was limited to six apps and they were fixed in a 50/50 split.
Post-JB all the supported multivew apps are treated the same way. They can be viewed as "mini apps" floating on the screen (they're resizable now too) or can be viewed side-by-side the way they use to in "dual view." The split in dual view is changeable now by moving the dividing line between the two open apps left or right. The push pin allows you set one or more apps as always on top.
The apps supported in multiview are: stock e-mail client, messaging (N8000), phone (N8000), contacts, S-Planner, S-Note, stock browser, Polaris Office, Gallery, My Files, Music Player, stock video player, calculator, alarm, task manager, and world clock. As you noticed there's thread running on a tweak that enables third party apps to be added to multiview.
Another big benefit because of the inductive display is hover. As an example, you can hover the S-Pen over a menu and it'll drop down so you can make a selection. It allows you to use things like the browser the same way you would on a desktop PC.
I think the main thing you want to think about is how the stylus may help your sketching. If you've ever used a capacitive stylus (like the adonit jot), then think about that, and multiply the usefulness and ease by about 10. If you don't think the stylus will be any use to you, then I think you're probably better off looking at the Nexus 10 or iPad. Anyway, you ought to check out the thread on Note sketches before making a decision, it's like a couple threads down from this one.
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The apps supported in multiview are: stock e-mail client, messaging (N8000), phone (N8000), contacts, S-Planner, S-Note, stock browser, Polaris Office, Gallery, My Files, Music Player, stock video player, calculator, alarm, task manager, and world clock. As you noticed there's thread running on a tweak that enables third party apps to be added to multiview.
Another big benefit because of the inductive display is hover. As an example, you can hover the S-Pen over a menu and it'll drop down so you can make a selection. It allows you to use things like the browser the same way you would on a desktop PC.
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Thankyou, I did know about the changes to the dual-view in JB (eg. resizing the width) but I didnt know about the multi-view stuff. I'm glad there are more apps now, though if the tweak I read about that adds multi-view to third party apps continues to work decently, that would be a really decent plus-point to this tablet Although obviously I wouldn't try and multi-view a highspec app like photoshop, it would be nice to be able to have my kindle app and a web browser open simultaneously sometimes.
And talking of browsers, the MAIN FLAW I always find with my iPad is that, on sites with drop-down lists, you cant hover over them to drop them, you have to click and load the next page instead. (deviantart has this for instance).
Being able to actually hover... this might well swing it for me haha
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I think the main thing you want to think about is how the stylus may help your sketching. If you've ever used a capacitive stylus (like the adonit jot), then think about that, and multiply the usefulness and ease by about 10. If you don't think the stylus will be any use to you, then I think you're probably better off looking at the Nexus 10 or iPad. Anyway, you ought to check out the thread on Note sketches before making a decision, it's like a couple threads down from this one.
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I use a boxwave stylus when I draw on the ipad, never liked finger-drawing. it doesnt do any pressure sensitive stuff, I just preferred the pen feel.
http://www.boxwave.com/ipad-stylus/capacitive-ipad-stylus/bwpdd/tgz-tmmw/
Thats the kind of thing I had (mines a bit better but still). The rubbery tip was so much better than the solid flat plastic ones I have seen (much like I believe the Jot uses?) which just felt strange and clicked a lot. The other one I tried had a little blob of foam on the end, which just felt horrible.
I suppose really I should try the Note stylus before making my mind up, but I assume its a fairly typical inductive-screen stylus. Fine point, much like a wacom tablet one.
This reminds me... the nexus and ipad have gorrilla glass screens, I assume the Note doesnt though obviously.... does this mean I should get a screen protector? Will this effect the pen usage?
Ideally I would prefer to avoid a protector, and use a folio case instead (its what I did with my iPad, and the screen is still pristine after 2 years) but I'm not sure if the pen is likely to leave marks... I will have to search
It's simple.
If you honestly believe that having high resolution display makes ANY difference when it comes to drawing... or that your enjoyment of the tablet will be reduced for not having it - get an iPad or a Nexus 10. You'll be happier not knowing better and you'll save us tons of pointless discussion.
If, on the other hand, you put a "low resolution" screen next to an iPad 3 or 4 and notice that for most things - it's not really much of a difference - except maybe for small text - which isn't going to be the focus of your use anyway - then it's even simpler.
There is no other ARM tablet that uses a Wacom pen.
It's just that simple.
And if you're a digital artist - I don't even have to waste time explaining why having a Wacom pen blows away any sausage or capacitive disk pen on an iPad - regardless of resolution. The Note 10.1 is essentially a compact, portable Cintiq for 1/2 the price. No other argument should be necessary,
The pen has 1024 pressure levels. It works with *any* penenabled system pen (Samsung sells one for its Series 7 Slates, for example) giving you a full sized pen with an eraser - which works perfectly on the Note 10.1.
The only other question is: what software do you use to draw. And even that's simple: go to play.google.com and see if it's available - or if there's an equivalent that's close enough that you'll be ok with it.The Note comes with Photoshop Touch and Sketchbook Pro is available as well, but neither of these are vector drawing apps. The reality is, since the iPad is seen as an 'artists' tablet, you'll be waiting for the more esoteric art apps on the Note. For example: Colors doesn't exist on the Note yet.
And there you have it. I draw a lot on my Note. But I use it and a Samsung Series 7 Slate together. The Note is for sketching and details to a certain point - then I switch to the Slate for more complex effects and details that require more horsepower.
Finally - as I pointed out when I got an HP Slate 500 - a good artist isn't about his or her tools - it's about what they do with those tools. I know an artist on FA who draws on a Nintendo DS with 16 pressure levels using Colors.
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A NINTENDO DS.
WITH COLORS.
I hope that puts this entire silly discussion into perspective.
TheWerewolf said:
It's simple.
The only other question is: what software do you use to draw. And even that's simple: go to play.google.com and see if it's available - or if there's an equivalent that's close enough that you'll be ok with it.The Note comes with Photoshop Touch and Sketchbook Pro is available as well, but neither of these are vector drawing apps. The reality is, since the iPad is seen as an 'artists' tablet, you'll be waiting for the more esoteric art apps on the Note. For example: Colors doesn't exist on the Note yet.
And there you have it. I draw a lot on my Note. But I use it and a Samsung Series 7 Slate together. The Note is for sketching and details to a certain point - then I switch to the Slate for more complex effects and details that require more horsepower.
Finally - as I pointed out when I got an HP Slate 500 - a good artist isn't about his or her tools - it's about what they do with those tools. I know an artist on FA who draws on a Nintendo DS with 16 pressure levels using Colors.
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The vector app I researched into (on android) was one called Infinite Design. It seems to tick all the required boxes (pen tool, layers, impor/export .SVG files.)
Having the SPen will mean I can venture back into sketchbook as well though.
I'm going to go into town tomorrow and check out a Note, as it seems to be the best for what I need. Just got to find a decent case, and decide between white and grey...
coming from n8000. Just got my p605 yesterday, disliked some of the things I've seen and wonder if they are common problems faced by others and perhaps solution for them.
1)air view doesn't scroll through pics in gallery or auto preview videos
2) pen window sucks. Is there any way to invoke mini apps like in the older generation note? Why change things when there isn't any problems
3) I'm syncing from my note 2, although it says calendar and s note synced, doesn't appear on my new tablet
4) polaris office 5 does not accept annotation saving on doc or ppt format, only pptx and docx. There is forever something wrong with polaris
5) is there any way to disable air command on a per app basis. For example lecture notes app i would want to use stylus button for changing input method to eraser
6) is there any way to disable s finder when long pressing menu button? I would want Google now to come out instead
7) ezpdf is much laggier and stuttering as compared to using on first gen
8) YouTube experience some stuttering when playing videos
9) weird white lines when using lasso screen cut function, moving the small lasso toolbox
I would need to root it, after reading a lot there doesn't seem to be much support or tutorial for rooting p605.
Is there any way, using cf auto root, which will not break Samsung warranty?
What is it about knox flag and efuse? The only thing i care about is not breaking warranty (or can break but able to reset back counter) and I'm not a business user. I would also like to continue receiving updates on root.
So is there any method which allow me to do it? I've read about universal de something method but it isn't very familiar to me and I'll prefer to stick to older way like cf auto root or odin.
Thank you so much for the time!
2. Install Pen Window Launcher.
6. Open S Voice, go to settings, change the option for home button.
Jasonchewy91 said:
coming from n8000. Just got my p605 yesterday, disliked some of the things I've seen and wonder if they are common problems faced by others and perhaps solution for them.
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It's a very different tablet my friend with very different s/w and approaches. I got rid of my N8000 because I replaced my N7100 with a N3 and the differences between the two (the N2's like the N8000 and the N3's like the N10.1-14) were driving me crazy. There's some stuff on the N10.1-14 that's odd (EG: full screen notification panel, phone UI features on a tablet) but you get used to them after using it a while. For me, there's more than enough benefit to make up for some of the strangeness.
1)air view doesn't scroll through pics in gallery or auto preview videos
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Nope. The gallery's been redesigned and you don't have a choice of views anymore. You can still preview video's in the redesigned video app.
2) pen window sucks. Is there any way to invoke mini apps like in the older generation note? Why change things when there isn't any problems
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I like the new multiview approach better than the old one. The former cascade/dual window approach was kind of schizophrenic. There are a lot more options now (two of the same app, save apps combinations so they open in pairs, and pen window). It's great that I can use the same approach on both my N3/N10.1-14 rather than the different approaches used by the N2/N10.1-12. Some people like the old approach and some like the new approach better. To each their own.
3) I'm syncing from my note 2, although it says calendar and s note synced, doesn't appear on my new tablet
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S Note's format changed and they aren't compatible between the N3/N10.1-14 and the N2/N10.1-12. You need to get a N3.
4) polaris office 5 does not accept annotation saving on doc or ppt format, only pptx and docx. There is forever something wrong with polaris
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C'est la vie. It would be far worse if it were the other way around (.doc worked but .docx didn't).
5) is there any way to disable air command on a per app basis.
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Nope.
6) is there any way to disable s finder when long pressing menu button? I would want Google now to come out instead
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With the last update to Google Search (Now) I was asked which I wanted to be the default, Google Search or S Finder. I use S Finder so I chose that. Try uninstalling the Search updates and reinstall them. Maybe you'll be given the same option I was.
7) ezpdf is much laggier and stuttering as compared to using on first gen
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Probably the app hasn't been updated to natively support 2560x1600 yet. There are only three devices with that resolution: N10, TF701, and N10.1-14. You'll find other apps and games that aren't optimized yet either. Write the developer; most have been very responsive.
8) YouTube experience some stuttering when playing videos
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Mine haven't. Don't know what to tell you.
9) weird white lines when using lasso screen cut function, moving the small lasso toolbox
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I haven't seen it but I haven't done a ton of lasso work yet.
BarryH_GEG said:
It's a very different tablet my friend with very different s/w and approaches. I got rid of my N8000 because I replaced my N7100 with a N3 and the differences between the two (the N2's like the N8000 and the N3's like the N10.1-14) were driving me crazy. There's some stuff on the N10.1-14 that's odd (EG: full screen notification panel, phone UI features on a tablet) but you get used to them after using it a while. For me, there's more than enough benefit to make up for some of the strangeness.
Nope. The gallery's been redesigned and you don't have a choice of views anymore. You can still preview video's in the redesigned video app.
I like the new multiview approach better than the old one. The former cascade/dual window approach was kind of schizophrenic. There are a lot more options now (two of the same app, save apps combinations so they open in pairs, and pen window). It's great that I can use the same approach on both my N3/N10.1-14 rather than the different approaches used by the N2/N10.1-12. Some people like the old approach and some like the new approach better. To each their own.
S Note's format changed and they aren't compatible between the N3/N10.1-14 and the N2/N10.1-12. You need to get a N3.
C'est la vie. It would be far worse if it were the other way around (.doc worked but .docx didn't).
Nope.
With the last update to Google Search (Now) I was asked which I wanted to be the default, Google Search or S Finder. I use S Finder so I chose that. Try uninstalling the Search updates and reinstall them. Maybe you'll be given the same option I was.
Probably the app hasn't been updated to natively support 2560x1600 yet. There are only three devices with that resolution: N10, TF701, and N10.1-14. You'll find other apps and games that aren't optimized yet either. Write the developer; most have been very responsive.
Mine haven't. Don't know what to tell you.
I haven't seen it but I haven't done a ton of lasso work yet.
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Thanks guys for the input!
The Youtube stuttering problem is really getting crazy. Tried reinstalling and no use.
Many of the software changes are really gimmick.
I really can't live without root, and there's still no method of rooting without voiding warranty.
The multi window implementation due to pen window is really annoying.
I'll just have to live with my old note with a slightly inferior screen and weight. Really enjoyed the productivity of my old note.
Most probably selling this new one away.
I too have noticed the stuttering, but it' occured to me that there is a new function on the Tab that they introduced with the Galaxy S4. It is called Smart Pause. If you look away from the tablet, it will stop playing (with a little delay) and if you look back you will catch it while it is paused. I dissabled that and youtube went fine after that...
anyone who did the nougat update, can you post some screenshots? i am debating whether to do the upgrade or leave well enough alone. one post mentioned that th recent apps window was sub-standard. any other good and bad?
mark2573 said:
anyone who did the nougat update, can you post some screenshots? i am debating whether to do the upgrade or leave well enough alone. one post mentioned that th recent apps window was sub-standard. any other good and bad?
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Yeah, I'm curious as well..i want to know if this update is going to be worth it
I did update to Nougat. My use is very limited but I find battery timing much improved and multi window is way better.
first of all - if you're satisfied with your device as it is don't update! It (unfortunately) doesn't get any better. They removed two important features - at least for me. There are no floating apps anymore - so if you want to use the small version of (for example) the google play music player while you're browsing you will have to use the splitscreen with dramatically decreased space for your browser left. So basically this means less convenience for you. The other thing is the (absolutely) useless "recent apps" view. In the past the whole screen was used by displaying the apps as tiles - now you only see them in the (for big tablet screens) useless card view.
Sorry - i always hate it when something really good just gets abandoned and replaced by something far inferior
I also found out, that manufacturers of 10"+ Tablets are encouraged to implement the native Android N freeform mode - so why has lenovo left this out of their update? I hope it gets back on the device with a later update.
P.S.: Android 7.0 CDD states that:
Device implementations with screen size xlarge SHOULD support freeform mode.
In the parlance of this CDD, there appear to be three levels of endorsement: SHOULD, STRONLY ENCOURAGED, and MUST. SHOULD is the weakest of the three, but it is still an endorsement.
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first of all - if you're satisfied with your device as it is don't update! It (unfortunately) doesn't get any better. They removed two important features - at least for me. There are no floating apps anymore - so if you want to use the small version of (for example) the google play music player while you're browsing you will have to use the splitscreen with dramatically decreased space for your browser left. So basically this means less convenience for you. The other thing is the (absolutely) useless "recent apps" view. In the past the whole screen was used by displaying the apps as tiles - now you only see them in the (for big tablet screens) useless card view.
Sorry - i always hate it when something really good just gets abandoned and replaced by something far inferior
I also found out, that manufacturers of 10"+ Tablets are encouraged to implement the native Android N freeform mode - so why has lenovo left this out of their update? I hope it gets back on the device with a later update.
P.S.: Android 7.0 CDD states that:
Device implementations with screen size xlarge SHOULD support freeform mode.
In the parlance of this CDD, there appear to be three levels of endorsement: SHOULD, STRONLY ENCOURAGED, and MUST. SHOULD is the weakest of the three, but it is still an endorsement.
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Thanks buddy. I think I'm better off skipping this update.
Wrong, wrong, wrong
NiffStipples said:
first of all - if you're satisfied with your device as it is don't update! It (unfortunately) doesn't get any better. They removed two important features - at least for me. There are no floating apps anymore - so if you want to use the small version of (for example) the google play music player while you're browsing you will have to use the splitscreen with dramatically decreased space for your browser left. So basically this means less convenience for you. The other thing is the (absolutely) useless "recent apps" view. In the past the whole screen was used by displaying the apps as tiles - now you only see them in the (for big tablet screens) useless card view.
Sorry - i always hate it when something really good just gets abandoned and replaced by something far inferior
I also found out, that manufacturers of 10"+ Tablets are encouraged to implement the native Android N freeform mode - so why has lenovo left this out of their update? I hope it gets back on the device with a later update.
P.S.: Android 7.0 CDD states that:
Device implementations with screen size xlarge SHOULD support freeform mode.
In the parlance of this CDD, there appear to be three levels of endorsement: SHOULD, STRONLY ENCOURAGED, and MUST. SHOULD is the weakest of the three, but it is still an endorsement.
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First of all, updates are really important for android devices in general. And especially for manufacturers like Lenovo which is known to let their product outdated pretty early. Personally, I'm impressed this time they updated to Android N even before schedule, and I'm hoping they continue releasing updates not to let this amazing product die.
As for the features you talk about:
1) floating windows in freeform is natively supported in android N and just need to be enabled in developer options (one of the last entries under App category). You can install "Taskbar" app to launch all of your apps in window mode by using the native method, and resize them as you like by dragging on the bottom-right corner (which previously was not possible).
2) It is true that Task manager with tiles view was a more clean way to switch between apps on this device, but the needing of double-pressing the TAB button when alt-tabbing beween apps, always made it uneffective and uncomfortable to me. Now ALT-TAB switch between apps just flawlessly as in a standard computer. Hence, i'm really happy with that.
3) I find overall performance have gotten slightly better with the recent N update: i can notice that in the UI and in games too! other users on other threads are talking about a slightly better battery performance too, so it seems like they optimized the hardware support somehow.
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First of all, updates are really important for android devices in general. And especially for manufacturers like Lenovo which is known to let their product outdated pretty early. Personally, I'm impressed this time they updated to Android N even before schedule, and I'm hoping they continue releasing updates not to let this amazing product die.
As for the features you talk about:
1) floating windows in freeform is natively supported in android N and just need to be enabled in developer options (one of the last entries under App category). You can install "Taskbar" app to launch all of your apps in window mode by using the native method, and resize them as you like by dragging on the bottom-right corner (which previously was not possible).
2) It is true that Task manager with tiles view was a more clean way to switch between apps on this device, but the needing of double-pressing the TAB button when alt-tabbing beween apps, always made it uneffective and uncomfortable to me. Now ALT-TAB switch between apps just flawlessly as in a standard computer. Hence, i'm really happy with that.
3) I find overall performance have gotten slightly better with the recent N update: i can notice that in the UI and in games too! other users on other threads are talking about a slightly better battery performance too, so it seems like they optimized the hardware support somehow.
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Thanks for the suggestion of taskbar - i've already tried it before and imho it's just not that convenient as a rom included solution. Beside the fact that you would have to use an unnecessary extra app for a native android function, it's not really intuitive in it's handling - but i have to admit, that every user will see that different depending on their needs My question is just why lenovo hasn't implemented this standard feature in a neat and handy way?
Speaking of different user needs/requirements - i've personally never used the Alt-Tab combi on my tab. In my daily use i use it most of the time in tent mode without the keyboard.
As to the performance - i didn't really noticed a change here. But in my opinion it was already really snappy before the update so maybe i can't rate that improvement. Maybe the animations between app switches got nicer but it's possible that i deactivated them before the update by myself - so nevermind
Guys, can somebody upload Noughat update otapackage?
I do not have a device but i need this to borrow graphic drivers.
After update to Nougat, battery drain in idle status doesn`t happen anymore. After a day idle, it takes only like 1-2% of battery. At least it is worth to me.