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[Q] Galaxy 3 Apps2SD. Data still being saved on the internal memory..

Hey everyone.
I installed a leaked version of Froyo on my Galaxy 3 I5800. I'm using the hack to always install the apps on the memory card. However, only the main apks of the apps are being stored on the memory card. Any application data is still being stored on the internal memory. For example, installing Angry Birds takes 10 MB on the memory card, but also takes about 2 MB on the internal phone memory..
Apps2SD is a huge improvement, but still, if the data's being stored on the internal memory, I'm gonna run out of space some time or the other.
Is there a hack or something to make the phone keep even the data on the memory card? I've heard about Apps2Ext but not sure if that can be installed on my phone and whether it stores the app data on the EXT partition too.
Any ideas?

Android documentation says that even when app. is installed on SD card,
"The .apk file is saved on the external storage, but all private user data, databases, optimized .dex files, and extracted native code are saved on the internal device memory."

TekkenLaw said:
Android documentation says that even when app. is installed on SD card,
"The .apk file is saved on the external storage, but all private user data, databases, optimized .dex files, and extracted native code are saved on the internal device memory."
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May be that's better because program can run faster.. anyway you can solve it by creating of ext2 partition on your SD card and virtualy enlarge internal storage.
But I haven't found any manual how to do it on i5800.

Are there ext2 capabilities in the i5800's Froyo? I'm asking because 2.1 lacks them, much to my dismay. A Linuxish device with a closed file system (rfs) with no tools available (and FAT), erm...

addicted2088 said:
Hey everyone.
I installed a leaked version of Froyo on my Galaxy 3 I5800. I'm using the hack to always install the apps on the memory card. However, only the main apks of the apps are being stored on the memory card. Any application data is still being stored on the internal memory. For example, installing Angry Birds takes 10 MB on the memory card, but also takes about 2 MB on the internal phone memory..
Apps2SD is a huge improvement, but still, if the data's being stored on the internal memory, I'm gonna run out of space some time or the other.
Is there a hack or something to make the phone keep even the data on the memory card? I've heard about Apps2Ext but not sure if that can be installed on my phone and whether it stores the app data on the EXT partition too.
Any ideas?
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install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.

banahaw said:
install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.
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this is what he did. But not everything will be saved to SD. This is the what he says.

nastyba said:
this is what he did. But not everything will be saved to SD. This is the what he says.
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Yeah, the APK file, that is the main package, is installed on the SD card. However, all the data that the application actually saves are usually on the internal device memory.
I have enabled Move to SD and set the install path to external, but it will still save application data on the phone memory. That is how Android is designed to work

banahaw said:
install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.
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Oh yes, I'm aware of all this. But still wanted to mention the point that the internal memory will always get used..

addicted2088 said:
Oh yes, I'm aware of all this. But still wanted to mention the point that the internal memory will always get used..
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you can extend your internal storage with your SD card, but you need to create ext2 partition on your SD card first and then <i>and this is the problem</i> explain to your i5800 to use this partion on SD card.
I've red many articles about it on HTC / SE phones where this method work. They say that the ROM must be customized, which haven't been done yet with our phone. The problem is, that the good programmers have Desire / or SGS and they do not care about the i5800

nastyba said:
you can extend your internal storage with your SD card, but you need to create ext2 partition on your SD card first
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And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.

mizch said:
And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.
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may be one day there will be a custom rom which will allows it

nastyba said:
may be one day there will be a custom rom which will allows it
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mizch said:
And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.
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Is this problem allready solved?
Because my bro has problems with the little internal space.

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Is this problem allready solved?
Because my bro has problems with the little internal space.
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Yes. For that you need to first flash a fugumod kernel. Then you can use Kyrillos' apptosd script from here. You need to use apptosd script v3 if you want your /data/data to be transferred to your SD. But script v3 works good only with class 6 SD card or higher.
Oh yes. You need to convert your data partition to ext4 and create an ext4 partition in SD card also.

ok formating...
seems that i have here a class 4 sd card 8gb... damn it!

I am currently on Kyrillos 6.1. If i create an EXT4 partition in my SD card, via CWM recovery, how can i move the apps which are already installed in my phone memory to that partition? Like if i use Titanium backup, then would moving the apps would go to FAT partition or the newly created EXT4 partition?

mrn123 said:
I am currently on Kyrillos 6.1. If i create an EXT4 partition in my SD card, via CWM recovery, how can i move the apps which are already installed in my phone memory to that partition? Like if i use Titanium backup, then would moving the apps would go to FAT partition or the newly created EXT4 partition?
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First backup your apps using titanuim backup. It will get backed up in SD card. Then copy the backed up apps and the rest of the stuff in your SD card to your PC. Then goto recovery, advanced, partition SD card. Create the required partitions. All data in SD card will be erased. Then in recovery only, wipe data. Then reboot. After that all the apps which you install will goto the ext partition that you created.

Thanks Dhiren!!! I was just wondering whether there was any way to directly move the apps to the EXT4 partition which are already installed on phone memory..I shall try out as you said...

[Q] Question about phone backup

Hi, i am very new here and ilack some of the basic info. so i have couples of questions. thanks very much for your answers.
1. what is the internal memory of the htc hd2? and when you partition your sd to fat32 and ext3, will the internal memory be the sum of the ext3 and the phone internal storage?
2. when you want to flash your hd2 with a new rom. do you need to format both partitions of your sd card (fat32 and ext3)
3. when i tried the latest ultimate droid rom, i saw the author posted the rom and another thing called the layout (3.0.2.4_magldr_150M_partitionLayout_30M_cache). what does this do?
4. how do you make the phone to move or install apps in the ext3. and how do you back up those data and apps in the ext3?
and again, thanks guys for helping me out.

1 internal memory, do you mean what's available after a flash? 260 Meg or so with the small cm7 roms (typhoon for example)
No, the internal memory wont show the sum of internal plus ext BUT it will work as if it is. Say you install a 20meg program, internal mem goes down 20 but back up 20 after a restart.
2 no, when you perform the wipes through cwm it takes care of the ext partition and the .android folder on the fat32 for you.
Some apps may put data on the fat32, in which case you can delete those if you want or if you have isues.
3 the layout (clockworkmod, or cwm) sets up the various partitions on your nand (internal) memory, boot, system,cache,data. Without the layout there would be nowhere for the rom to flash into.
The main point of interest in cwm is the system partition size, big roms need big system partitions, sense roms for ex. need 250meg or more, typhoon needs 130. Flash a big rom to small layout fails, small rom on big layout wasted space.
4 you don't, if the rom says ap2sd enabled or words to that effect, it does it automatically. You can test this by loading up some apps then browsing the SD card on a Linux PC
When you run backups and such, it just does it, the phone has no idea that some of the info is on the SD, it treats it as internal.

samsamuel said:
Say you install a 20meg program, internal mem goes down 20 but back up 20 after a restart.
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i dont understand why is that? so if the rom is apps2sd supported, it will automatically install apps to ext3. then it makes sense to me that the mem goes down, but then why it goes back up???

Example, 250meg internal plus 1gig ext partition.
internal memory shows as 250meg,, install 20 Meg app which goes to ext partition BUT the system displays internal mem as 230, , you reboot the phone and check again and internal memory shows as 250 again.

oh, thanks alot, i get it. but which backup solution is the best? and how does backup using clockworldmod work? does it make a backup file to sd card?

ljaypham said:
oh, thanks alot, i get it. but which backup solution is the best? and how does backup using clockworldmod work? does it make a backup file to sd card?
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Hi,
It depends what you want to back up.CWM backup will take a snapshot of your entire ROM system,data,settings,everything.A bit like a ghost image of a drive on your PC.
This way, if you install a new ROM and there is a problem,or you don't like it,you can RESTORE your original ROM and everything is back the way it was before.
CWM backup saves to the sd card.
If you just want to backup data,use something like Titanium Backup.

Low internal storage !!!

hi guys ,
i have a 16 gb sandisk class 4 sdhc card and currently i am using rom HYPERDROID GBX V12 by pongster .
before installing the rom through clockwork mod recovery , i partitioned the sd card with 1024 size and 0 swap size.
but my internal storage is only showing 257 Mb
and after installing a few apps, my internal storage has become low ,
is there any way to virtually increase the internal storage by utilising the SD card storage???
can this be done without formatting the phone or the ROM ,ie.,without losing data ??
HELP APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.

Try rebooting and seeing if that helps if using an a2sd based rom

bates_1974 said:
Try rebooting and seeing if that helps if using an a2sd based rom
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no it did not work that way...

You could partition your sd card, adding an ext2,3 or 4 partition and install DarkTremor's A2SD script. Then your apps will be installed into your ext partition on your card instead of in your phone's memory. And using the A2SD GUI app from the Android market, you can put your dalvik-cache to the partition, and do some other cool stuff. If you cant find DT's A2SD script by searching for it, I can attach the working version that I have to this post when I get home.
Edit: Attached a good working version. Flash it via CWM, after you allocate an ext4 partition (1 gb is a good size) on your sd card.
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How to partition sd card using ext 2/3/4 partirion??
How to allocate an ext 4 partition ??
And more precisely i wanted to know weather i can actually increase my phones internal storage??
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adi_tya89 said:
How to partition sd card using ext 2/3/4 partirion??
How to allocate an ext 4 partition ??
And more precisely i wanted to know weather i can actually increase my phones internal storage??
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1. In CWM Recovery, under 'Advanced', theres an option to partition your sd card.
2. By partitioning your card, you are allocating an amount of space to be used as an ext2/3/4 partition. Doesn't really matter which you use, but ext4 is said to give the best performance. I'm pretty sure CWM creates an ext4.
3.By moving all your installed apps to the sd partition, you are freeing up internal storage in your phone. I have hundreds of apps installed, my phone has 650mb internal storage available, runs smooth as butter, and I still have half of my 1gb partition free.

Thanks i did the partition and installed an app called " modinstall" by mskip and now all my apps by default install in sd card
But why is my internall storage only 270 mb by default without any apps in it??
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Do you have a EU HD2, or a TMOUS one? The European ones have far less ROM space. You could try a smaller system partition by modifying the flash.cfg file in the folder which you flash CWM from, just do a nandroid backup in CWM first, then restore it into your new smaller system partition after re-flashing CWM with the smaller system partition. I wouldn't go any smaller than 150 mb for a non-Sense ROM, if you go too small then your ROM won't boot up, or will have too little room to run comfortably. But too large a system partition will just waste internal storage space.
But if all your apps are getting installed to your partition by default, 200+ mb is more than enough internal storage for your phone to run nice and smooth. But that's also why I recommend DT's A2SD script, because not only does it move all your apps to the partition, but your dalvik-cache too (anywhere from 30-75 mb) and with the A2SD GUI app, it's easy to do more to make your phone run smooth, like enabling zipalign at bootup.

I have an EU hd2 now i hav installed the zip file of apps2sd u hav attatched in ur reply
I hav downloaded an application apps 2 sd from market to move phone apps to sd ut the only issue is that
Now after moving to sd , a few apps like angry birds, glow hockey and many other games or apps give an error and force closes but when these apps are moved back to phone they run smoothly !!
Why is that that these few apps are not running in sd card???
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Though my apps are getting installed in sd card by default but many of the apps do not run unless they are moved to phone's memory !!!
Is there any solution???
I really prefer this method by which my apps are installing in sd card by default but how can i avoid the force close errors in some of the apps ??? Eg - angry birds
Thank you
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[Q] my hd2 only has 151mb of internal storage

why does my hd2 have 151mb of internal storage and only 91mb for installing apps. i have NexusHD2 ROM.:crying:

You have a 512MB HD2 (European). And most of that is taken by the system partitions and whatnot. You need data2ext or sth like that so that you can have more storage.

create ext4 partition on your sd card using mini partition tool, it will increase your internal memory.
Hit thanks if it helped :laugh:

it's normal that you have only this storage memory, Nexushd2 ROM are consuming a lot of memory.
You can move your apply on your sd-card if you have one or you can do that Rahil S say.

Marvlesz said:
You have a 512MB HD2 (European). And most of that is taken by the system partitions and whatnot. You need data2ext or sth like that so that you can have more storage.
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but i dont know how to create an ext4 partition on sd card, can someone please guide me through on how to do this.:crying:

I'm sorry, you will have to look for that yourself.
You can use the link in my signature, it's an HD2-specific search.

So when the ext partition is created, will some of the internal memory still be used up by apps that are on SD.
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When you create an ext partition, it becomes the internal memory for apps. No need to move anything to SD.

Yes but i have created ext partition of 1gb, yet I still get low memory message. I used titanium back app.
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You reflashed the rom? And chose Dataonext?

Marvlesz said:
You reflashed the rom? And chose Dataonext?
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i just created an ext4 partition of 1gb on the sd card using cwm. like rahil s indicated

No. Even after creating the ext4 partition, data and apps won't move on their own. You need to reflash the rom with the option "DataOnExt".
You can use TB to backup your apps, and restore after you re-install.

Is there another way, cause I don't want to mess around with the flashing stuff as I have bricked my phone in the past. I mean is there an alternative to flash like partition the SD card and use app like link2sd to move app data to sd
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Sorry for getting in the middle of your conversation,
but i believe that the best solution is data onext that it was stated above.
Tou should really give it a try!

eliaskammas said:
Sorry for getting in the middle of your conversation,
but i believe that the best solution is data onext that it was stated above.
Tou should really give it a try!
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Are you looking for 10 posts also? Because we've already agreed that DataOnExt is the best option. He DOES want to give it a try, so your post is pointless = You are looking for 10 posts. What's the sudden interest in the HD2 section for spamming?
Also, NO. Your apology for interrupting this conversation IS NOT acceptable.
Anyway, @OP:
I think the best option is to back up all your apps using Titanium Backup, reinstall the ROM with DOE option, and then reinstall TB and your apps.
No, using Link2SD will not help you. It doesn't work like that. Sorry.

go to market and dowload link2SD to link or move app to SD ext or
read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1716124

better use native sd build
5warafat1 said:
why does my hd2 have 151mb of internal storage and only 91mb for installing apps. i have NexusHD2 ROM.:crying:
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u have a 512mb htc hd2 so only u have internal storage problem it is not a big deal.......first make a ext partion in sd card so u can use in two ways the ext partion:
1)for instaling native sd build(have more storage depend on how much u partion sd card ):highfive::highfive::highfive:
2)use app to sd or link to sd(help in move apps to sd ext partion:good:

5warafat1 said:
Yes but i have created ext partition of 1gb, yet I still get low memory message. I used titanium back app.
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U could try link2sd
Worked like a charm for me

[Q] Android NooB question: Cannot get a SD card mounted...

Hi experts here,
Sorry to bother you but I could not find clear explications on how to do it right:
I have formatted my 16GB SD card to have 13GB Fat 32, 1,5 GB Ext2 and 0,5 GB linux swap.
Then I have copied the current AmeriCan Android to to the Fat32 partition and fired HaRet.
Android boots fine, but has got no SD card mounted and the menu to mout it is greyed out.
a) how to mount the Fat32 Partition of the SD card?
b) did Android install on the ext2 partition? If not, what is the procedure to get it there?
Thank you.
RIN67630

As far as I know, sd-build android's data/storage is in a file called data.img located on your sdcard. I am not sure if it's supposed to show that you actually have an sdcard.
a) I am not sure, so I can't say anything.
b) Find a rom you want (because you can't convert your current ROM to an ext one, you can make a backup though) from the nand section. If by (boot from ext) you mean NativeSD, you don't need MAGLDR/cLK. Just look for the "NativeSD for Windows Mobile Users" guide, and follow it. But if by that you mean (have your storage on the ext) then you must install cLK/MAGLDR, install a recovery, repartition your system accordingly and then flash the rom from the recovery install earlier.
If what I said made no sense to you or you think it's too complicated, use the search.

rin67630 said:
Hi experts here,
Sorry to bother you but I could not find clear explications on how to do it right:
...
Thank you.
RIN67630
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May I try to reformulate my questions?
- Can Nandroid mount (read-write) the SD FAT32 Partition which contains the filesystem image from which it has booted?
- If yes, how?
- If no, would nativeSD be the solution to share (read-write) the FAT 32 data between Android and WinMo?
Thank you for the advice.

Hi, I think we are in the same boat, I am running an SD version Android ICS from my SD card and it says that no SD card is mounted. I would like to know how I can transfer music and side load apps I already downloaded. It would be great help if someone could help
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memphis517 said:
Hi, I think we are in the same boat, I am running an SD version Android ICS from my SD card and it says that no SD card is mounted. I would like to know how I can transfer music and side load apps I already downloaded. It would be great help if someone could help
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Finally, I found it out: My SD card was partitioned. I made an extra second EXT2 partition for Android, which was a bad idea.
It turns out that Android cannot recognize partitioned SD cards or they need a separate mounting procedure, don't know exactly...
Since I have deleted the extra partition Android can read/write on the full SD card...