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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
Where you running a custom rom on your G-tablet? That would explain its stability and speed.
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Gtab runs froyo and a lower resolution. But has same processor. That explains the performance difference. HC is still new and is not optimized fully yet. At this point you're a early adopter and will deal with bugs and performance issues.
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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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What was your opinion on the screen difference? 2.2 on a Tegra2 is like running XP on an i5.
If it's any consolation I have no problems with lag in general and SpeedX runs super. I only get a momentary delay here and there in certain apps, not worth complaining about.
I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.
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I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.
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Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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If those were the only two options, then a Xoom hands down. It's got a lot of problems (ie. missing microSD support, speed lag at the moment etc.) but it has a MUCH better screen and that is absolutely critical to me.
The reason why I write "the only options" is that I might consider a Tegra 2 IPS device, when they get released. Whenever that happens (maybe in a month?). As for KalEl, that's in the late summer / fall so it's really not on the radar, yet.
I think the Xoom Wifi $600 (or less?) option should be a decent product, especially once they shake out the bugs in Honeycomb.
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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I Think the Quad is supposed to be 5x Faster than the Dual. and that the GPU has 16 cores or somin. The Newer Tegra Nvidia chips Blow away the last.
You should have really not use task manager and kill apps. Because most of them will restart after being killed. So all the apps start at once will cause the gpu generates lots of power and the os may get unresponsive and laggy. So get rid of that damn task manager.
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X 2. Im running your tnt lite rom on my gtab and it seems to run a lot quicker overall v. My xoom. Too bad you cant improve the atrocious viewing angles on the gtab tho
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Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.
Until these benchmarking apps are updated to take advantage of OpenGL 2.0 you're not going to see high scores on any Honeycomb tablet.
Well, I had considered the iPad 2, but I am trying to get away from supporting iOS at home. Particularly as ugly as the upgrade for the original iPad to the latest update went.
I would like to get something now since I believe the Tegra 2 IPS tablets you're referring to are likely to be more of a July timeframe, and will likely be quickly passed over by the KalEl chips.
For the person asking if the additional cores will make much difference - the current Tegra 2 is most comparable to an Intel Atom. And the programs and video performance on these tablets pretty much match that.
The KalEl is supposed to actually exceed Core 2 Duo speeds and capabilities. So in that sense we are talking about going from essentially a netbook to essentially a notebook in terms of performance. Heck that is why there are rumors of an iPad 3 in that same timeframe. Because once that generation of chips come out it is going to be a very open question whether you need anything more than a tablet and a bluetooth keyboard for anything that requires less than a true desktop experience.
My .02 worth of course
how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.
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how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.
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If you're talking the KalEl equipped tablets, I presume they will be in about the same range, with the current tablets discounted a little similar to what Apple did with the first generation iPads. That said, I expect there to be just limited availability over the holiday season with probably only one or two manufacturers shipping by Thanksgiving.
Of course there are already some component shortages due to the Japanese earthquake. One area where Apple has an advantage since they have pre-ourchased a lot of their supplies. So while they may get them later than planned, they usually are assured of getting them first, and at a fixed cost.
FWIW...
Always take your experience with a display model with a grain of salt. Unlike the fresh G tab that you unboxed yourself and handled/tweaked with care, the display Xoom has gone through hours upon hours of goobers and children wailing away at it, changing default settings, etc.
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Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. Some parts of Dalvik (android's version of java), like the garbage collector, will take advantage of multiple cores. Android as an OS uses tons of threads, and will get snappier with more cores... but Android was written to explicitly use multiple threads.
What I'm saying is that apps won't use multiple cores unless the programmer DESIGNS them that way.
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For me it is like this:
No Tegra 2 = No Tegra 2 Gaming = SAY NO to Galaxy Tab
However, things may be good and Galaxy Tab 8.9 and hopefully 10.1 too may well have a Tegra 2 and yet may be able to do do full HD videos!
http://mp4nation.net/blog/2011/03/catching-up-preview-of-the-galaxy-tab-8-9/
Perhaps a bit of a late exposure on our part, but here we have a users experience preview with the Galaxy Tab 8.9, thanks to Stewart Wolpin of Uberizmo. To brief you before we delve in, the Galaxy Tab 8.9 is powered by NVIDIA’s Tegra 2 processor, runs Android 3.0 Honeycomb and has an 8.9-inch screen with a resolution of 1280 x 800.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4233/...1-89-smaller-than-ipad-2-competitively-priced
Samsung's 8.9 prototypes at the show floor had NVIDIA's Tegra 2 under the hood.
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Although not everybody may be pleased, but I see it as WIN WIN if it has Tegra 2 plus can do full HD as well
Whatever. I just hope the new Tabs are smoother than what I've seen so far on Honeycomb...
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Someone said bla bla bla ...
Still no hard proof ... no official info.
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According to the Vietnamese guy, it's Tegra 2. CAN YOU PLEASE READ OTHER THREADS BEFORE POSTING THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A MILLION TIMES.
LINK: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036796&page=6
A couple posts down someone quoted him, I'm too lazy to find the OP.
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gogol said:
Someone said bla bla bla ...
Still no hard proof ... no official info.
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Exactly, but I'm inclined to believe it will be T2 chips. I think Google was pretty strict about that.
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Tegra 2 can do full HD as well
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Define full HD on tegra 2
720p and 1080p renders the same on a 1280* display anyway, 1080p will just rape your battery further, so it doesn't even matter.
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720p and 1080p renders the same on a 1280* display anyway, 1080p will just rape your battery further, so it doesn't even matter.
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It would matter if the HDMI out could do 1080p (maybe it will in the future). I for one intend to attach my tablet to full HD screen for watching movies (if it will be up to the task).
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It would matter if the HDMI out could do 1080p (maybe it will in the future). I for one intend to attach my tablet to full HD screen for watching movies (if it will be up to the task).
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Ditto. I'll be using my tab for other things, and if I want video I hook it up to my TV. I'd like it to be samsung's own, but the chances are pretty slim.
Yes it is precisely for this reason that I returned my Xoom : it just won't play any HD (720p or 1080p) that you throw at it without transcoding. I.e. no high profile support for H.264 streams. And I 'can' transcode but why should I invest so much time? Tegra 2 has been a disappointment in this respect and perhaps Tegra 3 will correct this.
I am hoping the new Tabs will not have Tegra 2.
I played a 720p video on a Xoom and on a Galaxy S and the video was noticibly smoother on the Galaxy S!
veeeee said:
I am hoping the new Tabs will not have Tegra 2.
I played a 720p video on a Xoom and on a Galaxy S and the video was noticibly smoother on the Galaxy S!
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Wow really I thought the 600000 less pixels it would have to render every frame would be detrimental to the performance.
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Guys. I was the vietnamese guy contacted the youtube video reviewer and his website buddy. Well one claimed it to be the tegra 2 while the reviewer said he had no idea. just wanted to clear things up a bit and sorry for any kind of mess I caused.
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Anyone noticed that NVidias Tegra mini-site ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-supertablets.html ) links to the Samsung GT 10.1/8.9 mini site ( http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab )?
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Anyone noticed that NVidias Tegra mini-site ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-supertablets.html ) links to the Samsung GT 10.1/8.9 mini site ( http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab )?
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i reckon that cuz it was ment to link to the now 10.1v. if you have a look at the link its pretty generic. its ends in galaxy tab. so it could mean anything.
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Wow really I thought the 600000 less pixels it would have to render every frame would be detrimental to the performance.
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Decoding a video versus rendering a frame in a 3D game are two very different things.
Decoding a 720p and displaying it on a 3" screen versus a 50" screen takes exactly the same amount of processing power, no matter how many more pixels the 50" screen has. The video is not going to gain any more details!
Hmm, if its Tegra 2, I might most probably go for a Transformer, instead of the Tab
And why?
If both use the sama Tegra 2 ....
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Hmm, if its Tegra 2, I might most probably go for a Transformer, instead of the Tab
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And why?
If both use the sama Tegra 2 ....
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Probably because the Tegra 2 is weak at HD videos. It cannot play high-profile .mkv videos.
I am in the same boat. If any of the new Galaxy tab has Tegra 2, I will not buy it.
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And why?
If both use the sama Tegra 2 ....
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Probably because the Transformer is available and is likely cheaper than the Tab.
I own a Galaxy Tab 7" and a Transformer, and I'm interested to see how the Galaxy Tab 8.9 turns out, as it could replace both. However Tegra2 video playback is woeful compared to the Hummingbird, so if the 8.9 doesn't ship with Exynos I will likely pass and keep my GT7/Transformer combo.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. The Transformer is a lovely bit of kit, but Tegra2 is thus far underwhelming for video playback.
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I have rooted Desire and I just love Android, so I'm buying Android tablet for browsing web, watching movies and some gaming. It was hard to figure out which tablet to buy but I think I'll get Transformer instead of Galaxy Tab 10.1 as it is more functional. So it would be nice if you Transfomer owners could share some impressions.
How good is build quality?
How responsive it is?
How fast it is?
How good does it play 1080p vidos?
Does it work with turn-by-turn navigation?
And would you recommend it?
People have had issues with build quality but I personally haven't. My TF101 has been fine.
Responsiveness is top notch, no issues here.
Depends on what you're comparing it to, it's benchmarks are above the Xoom and Galaxy tab 10.1, but if this relates to real world performance I don't know.
It plays low profile 1080p flawlessly, and 720p high profile flawlessly. Don't quite know why you'd want to watch 1080p on a 750p screen though.
Yes it has turn by turn navigation.
I'd recommend it if you need the extra features it has over the Galaxy tab.
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People have had issues with build quality but I personally haven't. My TF101 has been fine.
Responsiveness is top notch, no issues here.
Depends on what you're comparing it to, it's benchmarks are above the Xoom and Galaxy tab 10.1, but if this relates to real world performance I don't know.
It plays low profile 1080p flawlessly, and 720p high profile flawlessly. Don't quite know why you'd want to watch 1080p on a 750p screen though.
Yes it has turn by turn navigation.
I'd recommend it if you need the extra features it has over the Galaxy tab.
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What he said. Screen is totally mindblowing , btw!
I myself have had absolutely zero issues, like seshmaru, but buy it 4m a store, and open and check it, would be my recommendation. Light bleed is the most common issue, followed by some creakiness issues and speaker balance issues, very rare though
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Mine eee pad had serial B5xxxxxxxx. So far no issues with it.
But it's quite heavy to hold the eee pad with one hand and using it while laying on the couch.
I got mine like two weeks ago, and I guess I'm lucky that it's pretty perfect (although there's a slight creakiness on one corner).
I don't have any complaints right now, but I'm scared to get the dock because I keep seeing problems about it (battery, lag, what else??).
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Don't quite know why you'd want to watch 1080p on a 750p screen though.
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As has been said many times on these forums, it's more about not having to re-encode 1080p movies you already have just to play them on the TF.
Regards,
Dave
I am on my 2nd transformer now, the first one had some light bleeds along with head pixels in the midldle.
The only thing that i suggest is to root it when you get it and throw Prime 1.4 and a custom kernel on it so you see the true speed of it. Im semi please with it, still better then the ipad 2 imo. there are some issues but should be fixed over time. the only really annoying issue is when typing in the browser and how long it takes to show up on the screen.
Then I'll get one. Actually after some googling on iPad 2 I understood that I really wont get one, Transformer has so much better hardware and I love honeycomb. iPad has 0.3 Mpix front camera and 0.9Mpix back camera, lol.
Thank you all for helping.
I just put Prime 1.5 on it, run really smooth..
my only issue is the lack of volume. Its too low for my taste. Other than that i love my TF.
KRolands said:
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I have rooted Desire and I just love Android, so I'm buying Android tablet for browsing web, watching movies and some gaming. It was hard to figure out which tablet to buy but I think I'll get Transformer instead of Galaxy Tab 10.1 as it is more functional. So it would be nice if you Transfomer owners could share some impressions.
How good is build quality?
How responsive it is?
How fast it is?
How good does it play 1080p vidos?
Does it work with turn-by-turn navigation?
And would you recommend it?
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With all the issue pointed out here I was a bit worried about buying one. I have not had any issues except for bugs which are part of honeycomb. When I got my Galaxy S2 there were a lot of people *****ing about various issues but when I got my phone I had none of these so called issues once I tweaked things! So each to their own.
You'll find that most posts are about complaints. Very few people come online and say how awesome something is. Most of the time there are solutions to issues but people don't want to search.
1. I chose it over the Galaxy Tab 10.1. I like how light the Tab is but I love the dock and the extra features that the Transformer has to offer.
2. Build quality on mine is outstanding. I have had a lot of android devices and you can see the extra effort Asus put into the dock and the tablet. I don't have any light bleed or flex on my device. Even the USB docks have magnetic port covers. How cool is that? Keyboard is very nice and the keys don't feel cheap.
3. Very fast device and very responsive. Interesting to see how both the Tegra processor and the Exonys (in my S2) differ in different tasks but both are blazing fast (the S2 is faster at rendering pages on wifi vs the transformer). Make sure to update to 3.1 firmware. Mine came with 3.0 which was not very responsive and sucked [email protected]
4. No idea about the 1080p. It is touchy at playing high def files (honeycomb hardware decoding issue). My S2 plays 1080 no problem. I find 720p MP4 videos plays perfectly fine if encoded with the proper specs for the transformer
5. Yes turn-by-turn works great. I tether with my phone and off I go
My only complaint is an issue with honeycomb and the stock browser lag when typing. Also, no auto correction when typing on the hardware keyboard.
Cheers. Hope this helps
I have used the Transformer for couple of weeks now having previously owned the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 inch.
All in all, my impressions are very positive and I would definetly recommend the device. The screen's great, device is quick to use, to comfortable hold in hand thanks to clever backside texture and reasonable weight, overall design is good. The keyboard dock has been a true surprise, it is way better than in many laptops and the integration with the tablet is seamless.
My unit (Scandinavian) is faultless, no cranky build quality or light bleeds.
However, there are some things to improve
- Flash performance: Flash being the most obvious advantage over iPad, I was disappointed that my old Galaxy Tab plays Flash better than this Dual Core Honeycomb device
- Browser is a bit buggy (closes unexpectedly once a while)
- Lack of Honeycomb apps evident, no way to sort out Honeycomb apps from all Android Market offerings (not a Transformer issue, though)
KRolands said:
Hi
I have rooted Desire and I just love Android, so I'm buying Android tablet for browsing web, watching movies and some gaming. It was hard to figure out which tablet to buy but I think I'll get Transformer instead of Galaxy Tab 10.1 as it is more functional. So it would be nice if you Transfomer owners could share some impressions.
How good is build quality?
How responsive it is?
How fast it is?
How good does it play 1080p vidos?
Does it work with turn-by-turn navigation?
And would you recommend it?
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I've had my Transformer for just over a week now and am absolutely loving it. I have had no problems with my Transformer apart from when I managed to brick it and then get it working again (my fault not ASUS ). The screen is great (though I wish it was SAMOLED+ because my SGSII has an amazing screen) and the build quality is very good - it feels a little heavy compared to an iPad but also very sturdy.
After updating to 3.1 the tablet is very smooth - with the possible exception of the browser when using the dock. Sometimes it takes a couple of seconds for the tablet to realise I'm typing something but generally not too bad. Using the tablet as a tablet (on-screen keyboard) there is no lag anywhere. Youtube 720p and normal 720p play flawlessly and look great. I haven't personally tried a 1080p video yet. Turn-by-turn navigation works well and it's nice they included a GPS chip in it, though you still need WiFi/3G for it work correctly.
The main attraction for me is the fact the Transformer is basically an Android Netbook! Good sized, clear screen with amazing battery life (I get about ~16 hours with Auto-Brightness and browsing/watching films). The best thing is when you root it and under/over clock it however! Under clocked to ~800Mhz I can browse for hours and hours, it's great! Over clock to 1.6Ghz and it's blazingly fast and everything (and can probably handle full 1080p video).
My only slight disappointment is in the rear camera which despite being 5MP is pretty crappy but it's not very often I use it. Bonus points for having Polaris Office and a Remote Desktop service packaged in for free which means I've been playing Portal on mine through my gaming laptop just for fun!
-X
I wanna know how is its screen quality comparing to galaxy tab 7?
and what are the disadvantages of not having an unlock bootloader ?
tnx
I can compare a tomato and a steack ?
what the advantage to sit on my sofa ?
Hard to tell. Glaxy tab 7 is a sub par product of a previous generation, doesn't come close to iconia in any way.
On the tabs 10.1 and 8.9 the screen quality is certainly better but you wouldn't notice without the tablets side to side.
The locked bootloader has been hacked so that point is irrelevant. It's purpose is to install custom roms.
The disadvantage of all other tablets over iconia is the lack of a full size USB port. Caring all kinds of proprietary adapters isn't exactly the ideal solution.
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I wanted to buy iconia, but the screen quality made me hesitate
I saw galaxy tab 7's screen before and it was so good
so I'm going to buy Iconia
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Hard to tell. Glaxy tab 7 is a sub par product of a previous generation, doesn't come close to iconia in any way.
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I don't know where you have got that idea from, but it simply isn't true.
First of all, the GTab 7 has a very good IPS display that is better than the Iconia's display. That's not to disparage the Iconia's panel though.
Secondly, the GTab 7 is a far better media player than any of the current crop of Honeycomb tablets due to much broader codec and container support.
Thirdly, given the dearth of Honeycomb optimised applications, the fact that the GTab 7 doesn't have Honeycomb is not the disadvantage that it should be.
The GTab 7 is most definitely not a sub-par product, and in many ways it is still very current - there is no better 7" tablet on the market in my opinion, which is quite impressive given it is nearly a year old.
However, it tends to serve a different purpose than its larger brethren, so can't really be directly compared.
Regards,
Dave
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Secondly, the GTab 7 is a far better media player than any of the current crop of Honeycomb tablets due to much broader codec and container support.
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That might be true if this was an iPod where you're stuck with a stock video player, but this becomes a non-factor as soon as you install RockPlayer or MoboPlayer, which plays everything thrown at it. Does anyone really use the stock video player on any Android device? They're all just so limiting that I question why anyone would do that unless they have an iPod mentality and/or just don't know that there are superior 3rd-party video players available for free.
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Thirdly, given the dearth of Honeycomb optimised applications, the fact that the GTab 7 doesn't have Honeycomb is not the disadvantage that it should be.
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This will only improve with each passing day. Honeycomb is now the standard OS for tablets, just like Gingerbread is now the standard OS for phones. Anyone who would say that it's better to run an older version of an OS is likely someone who is stuck with a device that cannot upgrade.
They're really not comparable devices. They're a full year apart, significantly different size screens, and a huge OS version difference. With the Galaxy Tab being about the same price as the A500, unless you HAVE to have a smaller tablet or built-in 3G, there's really no reason to choose the Galaxy Tab at this point.
A better comparison would be between the A500 and a newer Galaxy Tab model, which is the comparison I made and the A500 won out (for me) for a variety of reasons, specifically price and feature set.
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That might be true if this was an iPod where you're stuck with a stock video player, but this becomes a non-factor as soon as you install RockPlayer or MoboPlayer, which plays everything thrown at it.
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Sorry but no it doesn't - try some high profile 1080p/720p MKVs on *any* Tegra-2 Honeycomb tablet with Moboplayer/Rockplayer and compare the same to the 7" Galaxy Tab.
This will only improve with each passing day. Honeycomb is now the standard OS for tablets, just like Gingerbread is now the standard OS for phones. Anyone who would say that it's better to run an older version of an OS is likely someone who is stuck with a device that cannot upgrade.
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The problem is that it *isn't* improving with each passing day. Personally, I'd expected Honeycomb optimised applications to explode onto the scene, but frankly it hasn't happened. The majority of apps that I run on either tablet are all pre-Honeycomb. It will change, but it isn't changing as quickly as I'd hoped.
Honeycomb desperately needs more apps, because for the most part we are using upscaled "Phone" apps. This isn't as big an issue as it is/was for the iPad, since a well written Android app will scale properly, but it's not taking advantage of what Honeycomb has to offer.
They're really not comparable devices. They're a full year apart, significantly different size screens, and a huge OS version difference. With the Galaxy Tab being about the same price as the A500, unless you HAVE to have a smaller tablet or built-in 3G, there's really no reason to choose the Galaxy Tab at this point.
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I agree they are not comparable (I even said so myself), but that doesn't make the Galaxy Tab sub-par which is the point of my post. In some ways it is still superior to *any* Honeycomb tablet and that is a fact I'm afraid (mostly due to Tegra-2).
A better comparison would be between the A500 and a newer Galaxy Tab model, which is the comparison I made and the A500 won out (for me) for a variety of reasons, specifically price and feature set.
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Yes, I agree that a better comparison is against the 10.1" Galaxy Tab, but that's not the point of this thread is it?
The OP was asking about the screen of the GTab 7 vs the Iconia, and frankly the GTab 7 does have a better screen than the Iconia!
FWIW - screenwise, it's:
Xoom < Iconia < Transformer < GTab 7 < GTab 10.1
Having said that, I would only consider the Xoom's screen to be actually "bad".
Regards,
Dave
I have both devices! Here is the simple comparison:
Display: Galaxy TAB (better picture quality, better warmer colors)
Codec support: Galaxy TAB (I've thrown everything but the kitchen sink and it plays it) Rock Player/MoboPlayer are good players but software rendering is NOT for 1080p!
But then again, I'm selling my TAB now and keeping the A500!
tnx everyone
now I'm just confused
I want to buy Iconia but the only thing that makes me worry is the screen quality
in comparision vids I saw galaxy tab 10 is far better in this field
but USB 2 on this and dust and moisture under g tab 10 screen makes me choose this
I heard Iconia have a much better screen compare to Xoom
I wanna now those who have Iconia, is it noticable in real life usage? I mean the bad quality
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Sorry but no it doesn't - try some high profile 1080p/720p MKVs on *any* Tegra-2 Honeycomb tablet with Moboplayer/Rockplayer and compare the same to the 7" Galaxy Tab.
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Why would 1080p be necessary for a 7" screen? I'm finding 720p on my 10" A500 screen to typically be overkill and definitely not worth the file size required. There's a Law of Diminishing Returns here, and I'm pretty sure that 1080p on a 7" screen is just that. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" also likely applies.
I guess that's why I haven't had an playback problems you mention, but I'm a pretty picky videophile when it comes to movies, and I've yet to be disappointed with 720p or less movies on the A500. I suspect I'm enjoying a lot more room on my SD card, too.
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Why would 1080p be necessary for a 7" screen? I'm finding 720p on my 10" A500 screen to typically be overkill and definitely not worth the file size required. There's a Law of Diminishing Returns here, and I'm pretty sure that 1080p on a 7" screen is just that. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" also likely applies.
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You misunderstand the point entirely - it's not that 1080p is necessary on a 7" screen, it's that if you have a large movie collection in 1080p, you want to be able to play them on all of your devices without having to re-encode. For some people, re-encoding simply isn't an option.
In the context of this discussion, it's only relevance is that an earlier poster said that the GTab 7" is a sub-par product that doesn't close to the Iconia in any way, which isn't true.
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Dave
Sub-par and that it belongs to a previous generation.
Single-core CPUs don't belong in tablet space and Froyo or Gingerbread don't belong on tablets.
I've had the 7" for a while and I have an SGS, I know what I'm talking about.
While smaller screens will always look better and sharper, the processing power, the speed, the memory, the GPU are outdated.
The user experience and build quality don't come even close to Iconia and the 7" screen size is irrelevant.
I do, from all my heart, believe it's a sub-par and useless product and while getting it this time last year might not have been one's most inspired idea, getting one now is the worst idea or recommendation one could make.
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I've had the 7" for a while and I have an SGS, I know what I'm talking about.
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Well, if we're going to play the "who's is bigger game".....
I've had Android phones since the T-Mo G1, followed by an Hero, 2 HTC Desire's, a Desire HD, and an HTC Sensation. I've had a cheapo KIRF tablet (which definitely was sub-par crap), a Toshiba AC-100, a Kogan Agora Internet TV Portal, a GTab 7" and a Honeycomb tablet, so I guess that I must know what I'm talking about too??
Interesting to note that whilst you have posted on the SGS forums, you've never posted on the GTab 7s. Perhaps you've not been keeping abreast with the development on the GTab 7, and thus can only really comment on the stock experience, but it is vastly improved with a Gingerbread ROM and a few tweaks here and there - which is something it shares in common with pretty much all Android devices.
The user experience and build quality don't come even close to Iconia and the 7" screen size is irrelevant.
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The build quality of the GTab 7" is very good indeed - at least as good as the Iconia's IMO, and it *does* have a superior screen. Also, to say that a 7" screen size is irrelevant is pure nonsense - portability is crucial for some people. Irrelevant to you perhaps, but that isn't the same thing!
I do, from all my heart, believe it's a sub-par and useless product and while getting it this time last year might not have been one's most inspired idea, getting one now is the worst idea or recommendation one could make.
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Given that there are hardly any Honeycomb applications, the GTab 7 runs practically all the same applications so if it is useless, surely all the HC tablets too? The GTab 7 can also run the so-called "Tegra-2" only apps like GOF2 very well indeed with CF3D, so clearly the GPU and processor are still very much up to scratch for the applications that are currently available!
There are plenty of reasons why the GTab 7 is still a good tablet - it's not a direct competitor to the 10.1 HC tablets though because it serves a different set of requirements.
All this is not to say that your opinion isn't any less (or more!) valid than mine, but that is all they are - opinions! I've merely presented a couple of areas where the GTab 7" is verifiably superior than the current crop of Honeycomb tablets.
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Dave
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are to easy to please You've seen android so early that the current versions look awesome no matter what.
I only know how much it changed from 2.1 to 2.2 and the difference was huge!
As for GOF2 it was one of my assessment points. It's damn heavy on that cpu, it heats it up a lot, it drains the battery fast and has long loading times.
On tegra 2, it barely gets warm-ish and runs like a dream. I wouldn't want to catch 2012 single-cored.
As for honeycombs apps, only one so far didn't scale right for me, some startup app remover that kept staying in 800x480 but since it's more of an utility, doesn't bother me that much.
I don't like the 7" size because it's too small for documents. Before I tried out the tab 7" I was obsessed with a viliv x70 (win 7) and the dream of full office in the palm of my hand.
Now with Iconia I think 10 is a minimum, and this with dedicated apps.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are to easy to please You've seen android so early that the current versions look awesome no matter what.
I only know how much it changed from 2.1 to 2.2 and the difference was huge!
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You should've seen 1.6 (Donut) to 2.1 (Eclair) - makes the jump from 2.1 to 2.2 look quite small!
I don't like the 7" size because it's too small for documents. Before I tried out the tab 7" I was obsessed with a viliv x70 (win 7) and the dream of full office in the palm of my hand.
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It's a case of horses for courses - I want a 7" tablet for when I travel for work (which is quite frequently these days) because it can comfortably fit in a jacket pocket, which means I can take it out and about without having to carry a bag.
For home use, a larger tablet is likely to be the better choice, which is why I have both!
Now with Iconia I think 10 is a minimum, and this with dedicated apps.
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I'd possibly be tempted by the Galaxy Tab 8.9 as a single device, but I think it's probably too large to be pocketed, and not that much smaller than a 10.1" tablet to make a different.
I was hoping to buy Iconia A100, but that seems to have dropped off Acer's radar, and there are alternatives (e.g the Huawei MediaPad, Viewsonic ViewPad 7x, and Asus Eee Pad Memo) that might come to the market first.
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Dave
iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
Bahahahahahahahahaha
ipad2 not so great as they would make us believe ......
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My phone has a single-core processor and my tablet has a dual-core. That's pretty damn good. If I NEED computing power, I have my quad-core i7 rocking, 8 GB puffing, ATI HD5870 running laptop that can do just about anything.
Let me know when Android can run a fully-featured version of Photoshop or something better than iMovie, I'll happy jump onboard the X-core bandwagon. I might even leave Windows behind then...
Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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The software they used is right there...GLBenchmarks and Basemark. It's exactly the same as testing your frame rates for video games that are made for different platforms, ie. Windows and OSX. The games themselves have their own engines that can show you what frame rates you're running at so why should it be any different between Honeycomb and IOS.
It's the same software...
I do remember Apple fabricating their signal bars, but not their battery life. Unlike a certain website, *cough*ENGADGET*cough*, Anandtech is a reputable tech site that is more unbiased than others.
The reasons I can believe it is true?
My iPad 2 plays EVERY single video it can play (no flash of course) without fail. My Transformer? Sometimes (more often than not) it doesn't even play 360P Youtube videos without stuttering. Pathetic if you ask me.
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My iPad 2 plays EVERY single video it can play (no flash of course) without fail. My Transformer? Sometimes (more often than not) it doesn't even play 360P Youtube videos without stuttering. Pathetic if you ask me.
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If your Transformer can't play SD YouTube videos, you have a setup problem of some kind. Mine doesn't stutter at all, even on HD YouTube videos. It likewise doesn't stutter at all on high bitrate transfers of my own DVDs, which are well above the resolution and bitrate of SD YouTube vids.
Also note that Anandtech themselves clearly noted that they had problems with their initial test unit, as evidenced by the increase in wifi performance and battery life with their second unit. Until they've had time to rerun all their tests, I wouldn't put much weight in any of their original numbers.
My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
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My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
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correct me if I'm wrong..don't think iPad can handle 720p/1080p High profile either
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correct me if I'm wrong..don't think iPad can handle 720p/1080p High profile either
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iPad2 plays high profile 720p smoothly (B-Frames, cabac, etc). Not with the native player, but with appstore players like AVPlayerHD.
GT 10.1 and other Tegra 2 do, too, with market players like Dice and BS but they stutter on fast action scenes. iPad2 doesn't do that. I did oc my GT 10.1 and set cpu to Interactive and that gets rid of the stutter, but for my particular 10.1 Interactive leaves the tab unstable.
Never tried 1080p high profile on iPad2.
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My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
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If your struggling playng video, give BSplayer a try ... i tried dice player (as recommended) and NOTHING plays video better than BSplayer
Funny as I have been doing my own research on getting a tegra 3 or Ipad 2 or just nothing. YouTube videos work great for me. I have problems with ESPN videos on Tegra 2 compared to the OG Ipad. For the stutter, I like the close to 200.00, savings compared to the ipad.
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i sell and ipad2 before buying transformer.in video playing ipad2 is a bit more fluid,but at high profile 720p it is the same as tf,depend on which software you use for,but 100% lag free video you haven't with ipad2 and you haven't also with transformer.i suppose that tegra 3 chip with neon support included is more powerfull and generate more smooth and fluid videos than ipad2.personally i think that video playing is the only thing where tegra2 might be not exceeding,but not from an ipad2 chip but at least a tegra 3\exynos or newest qualcomm soc (with NEON as well)
correct me if i'm wrong mates...
Lack of NEON is the biggest let down of Tegera 2 IMHO. Reminds me of one of my friends with an aging AMD that had the clockrate but couldn't thunderbird on without newer instruction set extensions some games needed.
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Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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goodintentions said:
Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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It doesn't matter which software/platform. The software just measure how many fps at 720p the tablet can display. I think it's a fair comparison.
Does it matter in normal usage? i don't know. But it shows that the iPad2 GPU is better than the tegra 3 in this case.
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iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
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Dont forget Honeycomb is software rendering, ICS has hardware rendering (like the iPad).
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Lack of NEON is the biggest let down of Tegera 2 IMHO. Reminds me of one of my friends with an aging AMD that had the clockrate but couldn't thunderbird on without newer instruction set extensions some games needed.
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Thisthisthis. Most of your media playback issues? This is the reason. Except for the "SD YOUTUBE LAGS OMG SO PATHETIC" guy, which either has terrible internet or is doing something very, very wrong. My TF plays back high prof 720p no problem with Dice. If tegra2 had NEON, we'd have 1080p30f.
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Dont forget Honeycomb is software rendering, ICS has hardware rendering (like the iPad).
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That kinda has nothing to do with this...
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deadman3000 said:
iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
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Uhm, I like Charlie. I really do.
But sadly, as far as his Tegra stories are concerned, he seems to live in parallel (or maybe even perpendicular) universe.
Tegra2 he ridiculed so much and went as far as to claim that it will not get a single design win ended up cornering ENTIRE goddamn tablet market. Pretty much 100% of Honeycomb devices run on T2 (whether we like it or not).
Same with his "sky is falling, Tegra roadmap slips for a whole year". Well, the roadmap might have slipped (or was that just dumb marketing projections, not the roadmap itself), but the second part of the story is that even after slip, nvidia is still a whole year ahead compared to competition (4 core Kraits are scheduled market introduction Q4Y12).
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If your struggling playng video, give BSplayer a try ... i tried dice player (as recommended) and NOTHING plays video better than BSplayer
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Both (newest BSplayer, before ovt'11 release, it didn't even have ahardware acceleration) players are still not prefect and drop frames on panning or action scenes.
They also have bunch of non-performance issues:
-DICE player cannot playback 90% of embedded subs (and for those it can read, it will start showing them only after 30 seconds of movie have passed) out there and has ugly, undocumented GUI.
BSplayer suffers from nasty subtitle desyncing issue and its seeking implementation is utterly dysfunctional (you can only seek in random 15-30 secs jumps)
Oh, and both players suffer performance hit when streaming via SMB.
So yeah, for media consumption device(with 399-499 pricetag!; You could buy two netbooks for that money), Tegra2 tablets ****ing suck.
Of course what the Anadtech seem to conveniently "forget" is that the Transofmers display is much higher resolution than the iPad2 and therefore more pixels to populate...
Perhaps I should make a iPad2 killer tablet that 120 pixels x 120 pixels that downscales 720p video at can play at insane framerates but looks ****. I'm sure the idiots at Anadtech would love it...
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Of course what the Anadtech seem to conveniently "forget" is that the Transofmers display is much higher resolution than the iPad2 and therefore more pixels to populate...
Perhaps I should make a iPad2 killer tablet that 120 pixels x 120 pixels that downscales 720p video at can play at insane framerates but looks ****. I'm sure the idiots at Anadtech would love it...
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Afaik both ipad and TF simply upscale the games.