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Hello everyone!!
I'm debating on what to get. I'm not sure whether to purchase a Kindle Fire or a regular Android Tablet like the ASUS Transformer.
One of the main things holding me back is that the Kindle Fire only has 8GB of storage and no microSD slot to increase that.
Would you buy the Kindle Fire again after owning it?
Thanks!
gk527 said:
Hello everyone!!
I'm debating on what to get. I'm not sure whether to purchase a Kindle Fire or a regular Android Tablet like the ASUS Transformer.
One of the main things holding me back is that the Kindle Fire only has 8GB of storage and no microSD slot to increase that.
Would you buy the Kindle Fire again after owning it?
Thanks!
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I only bought the Fire because I was short on cash and only needed a tablet to develop software, connect to computers remotely, read books, watch a couple movies, listen to a couple music and browse the web. So far, the Fire has been doing those pretty well.
I'd definitely buy a full fledged tablet like the iPad 2 or Asus Transformer if I could spare the cash though but I definitely like my Kindle and want to keep it!
It just depends on your needs man but sometimes. If you don't need to do too many things on a tablet, just get the Kindle man it's only $200.
As above, I only bought the KF because it was a cheap way to get a durable small tablet for Internet access. As a Kindle E-Reader it's rubbish, bright backlit display and short battery life make it very poor compared to a regular Kindle.
if you have the money, I would get a full Android tablet. You can do everything the kindle can do on an Android tablet, but you can't do everything on a kindle fire that you can do on an android tablet.
That said, the Kindle Fire is excellent for streaming video, reading books, light game play, and general web surfing.
I am looking at buying either one of these. I like the way the kindle fire looks better, but I don't like it's lack of sd card support. They both seem to have good development for rooted users and I plan on rooting. I am leaning towards the Nook, but haven't decided for sure yet. Please offer your opinions and why you would choose one over the other.
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Nook = locked bootloader. Not for me.
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It's also $50 more. I like the Gorilla Glass the Kindle has a well. Does the Nook have that?
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Nook = locked bootloader. Not for me.
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The bootloader has been unlocked for a while now
Nook has a microscope so you can duel boot.
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Personally I would go nook tablet. I have a fire because I bought it from some kid on craigslist for 100 dollars. Actually a 50 dollar bestbuy giftcard and 50 cash
This week at Walmart B&M stores only, you can get a Fire with a $50 WM GC, so basically paying $149 for the Fire. The Nook Color is $249 (but there is also a $25 GC if you are a MasterCard holder).
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The bootloader has been unlocked for a while now
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And I still have no interest in it. My Nook Color was great to mess around with but the tablet doesn't do it for me (had one for a week, grew tired of waiting).
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If the bootloader is truly unlocked, then go with the device that has the better Dev support. Check out both forum's and make your choice.
In my opinion the only real downside of the kindle-fire is the way too little 512mb of ram. Apart from that's its a gorgeous device. Its cheap, it feels good in hands, kinda pocket, it will fit in your pocket while the nook is fairly bigger, and it has pretty much the same hw as the nook has, apart from the 500mb of ram more (which is a damn good thing) and the SD slot which is definitely good if you need to increase storage. Although that doesn't really bother me much as 8gb are more than enough for me on a tablet, especially when you can benefit of 2.5gb of drop box, 50gb of box.net along with every other Google cloud services such as picasa, docs, Gmail etc.
Also, the kindle-fire has a better dev support so far, CM7 is way too damn good, we have a pretty stable ICS rom and it's still an early alpha, while the nook only offers an early CM7 alpha (for sure the locked boot loader had significantly slowed down the development).
So my advice is to go cheaper and actually to go for at some points a better device, indeed the kindle-fire
Maybe you are interested in reading some detailed comparison of the two:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/18/kindle-fire-vs-nook-tablet-fight/
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57330571-251/kindle-fire-vs-nook-tablet-how-to-choose/
Having a Fire myself I'm somewhat biased. The fire, quite frankly, is a bit heavy. I don't know how it compares to the Nook, but having played with an iPad2 before, the iPad _seemed_ lighter - maybe that was just my compensating for the larger form factor; the Fire feels like a brick in my hands - too heavy for its size.
But, I purchased it for a cheap tablet to play with Android, so really no major complaints.
And THANKS to all the devs that are working tirelessly to put ICS on the Fire - even as it stands now it looks/works great. Yes, yes, there are a few missing pieces, but I'm quite willing to overlook them for the moment.
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Having a Fire myself I'm somewhat biased. The fire, quite frankly, is a bit heavy. I don't know how it compares to the Nook, but having played with an iPad2 before, the iPad _seemed_ lighter - maybe that was just my compensating for the larger form factor; the Fire feels like a brick in my hands - too heavy for its size.
But, I purchased it for a cheap tablet to play with Android, so really no major complaints.
And THANKS to all the devs that are working tirelessly to put ICS on the Fire - even as it stands now it looks/works great. Yes, yes, there are a few missing pieces, but I'm quite willing to overlook them for the moment.
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I can second that. I actually bought a Nook Tablet first, then returned it and got the Kindle Fire instead. My wife still has a Nook Tablet of her own.
Looking up the specs, the Nook Tablet is only a tiny bit lighter than the Kindle Fire (400 g vs. 413 g), but it is lighter, and larger. It feels much lighter because of the materials they use - it has a nice soft, almost padded edge around the screen, and the screen is set in from the face of the device so you won't accidentally touch it. All in all the Nook is probably a better device for reading or if you value ergonomics highly.
I ended up with the Kindle mainly because I wanted the larger developer community, the lower price, and because I don't need SD card storage. Some people need it, but I don't. I didn't notice any difference in performance so apparently the lower RAM on the Kindle doesn't actually change much.
They're both good though. I think the largest, most important distinctions are the price and the SD card slot. Take those into account before anything else.
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I am looking at buying either one of these. I like the way the kindle fire looks better, but I don't like it's lack of sd card support. They both seem to have good development for rooted users and I plan on rooting. I am leaning towards the Nook, but haven't decided for sure yet. Please offer your opinions and why you would choose one over the other.
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The Kindle Fire is miles ahead in terms of the speed of homebrew development, thanks to its unlocked bootloader. You could root it and install a custom ROM today if you went and purchased it. The locked bootloader on the Nook Tablet slowed development down a lot, but I'd say the developers working on it have done amazing things so far; it shows promise.
My Nook Tablet is running the CM7 alpha that Celtic released a few days ago but the ROM was taken down because Celtic wants a more polished ROM to be available to users. Both have unlocked bootloaders but the Kindle, having been more hack-friendly, already has a full CM7 release and the Ice Cream Sandwhich/CM9 development seems to be going swimmingly as well. The previously-locked bootloader is indeed what slowed down Nook Tablet homebrew devs.
The NT dev community's catching up, but if you're a bit more impatient and want a cool 7-inch Android tablet right away, go with the Fire. If you're more patient and don't mind waiting, the Nook Tablet has better hardware all around and is well worth the $50 more that it costs. It weighs a little less, its battery lasts a little longer, it has double the RAM and expandable micro-SD storage. I'm also told that the screen resists glare better than the Fire's, but I haven't had a chance to play with the Fire much myself so I can't judge that aspect.
tl;dr: If you want a great hacked Android tablet right now, go with the Fire. If you can stand the wait a little longer, go with the Nook Tablet. The Nook Tab devs have been making amazing progress so a release of CM7 is probably not far off (maybe this month!) but like I said, you could have CM7 on a Kindle Fire today.
I looked at both devices before I made my purchase, and price was not a considering factor cause when I went shopping the NT was on sale for the same price as the KF, I just like the look of the KF better, plus I like Kindle as a name, my name being kinda close to it too. That and some of my friends have the KF and they love it, and they told me the Dev section on XDA was ahead of the NT. Support is a major factor for me when I get a device.
My dad has a 200 dollar 'tablet' with a bigger screen and all that, but the support for it is awful. He plays order and chaos online like I do and he can't get it to run on his device, or other gameloft games, where as I have the game on mine.
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Sorry, I meant micro sd. My kindle Auto corrected.
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why get a nook? "a nook can't read so a nook can't cook. so what good to a nook is a hook cook book?" -Dr Seuss
I actually traded my Dell Streak 7 for the Fire and like it, but if I was buying it, I would go with the Nook Tablet. I just got a coupon good till the end of the month for $50 off either a Nook Color OR Nook Tablet (so $149 and $199). Dang tempting, but I gotta quit buying tablets until one comes out that fits all my needs...and honestly, as fun as the Fire is and the Nook probably is...without a front camera for Skype and stylus support, neither will cut my mustard. Also, I've had a Nook Color and I really like the feel of the Fire better. I'm pretty sure the Nook Tablet feels the same as the Color...for what that's worth.
I got the Fire because:
- neither it or the nook is a full featured tablet and the fire is cheaper (nook is too "middle ground" price/features)
- it doesn't weigh more than my hardcover copy of Harry potter 7, and is thinner and much smaller besides
- amazon sold a ton of them and isn't going anywhere, meaning lots of aftermarket support
- my phone and camera make up for the features it lacks; mainly I just wanted browsing, email, and IM without being stuck at my desk or at a wall (with my short-battery-life laptop)
I never do any videoconferencing.
A bluetooth keyboard would've been nice, but for the price I can do without.
I'm now the proud owner of a Nook HD. It's my second android device (phone is a GS3) and my fourth device for which I have sought guidance in this incredible forum. After perusing the Nook section of this site, I felt like I needed to reflect on why I chose this device.
1. I need to read more...again. I used to read all of the time. I'm a high school English teacher, so I have a passion for reading. However, like so many of my teenage students, I am easily distracted. I thought that I would read on my iPad, but that didn't happen since there are so many great games out for tablets. As a father of a 3-year old, my time and energy has seemed to be more prone to go to a mindless video game for a few minutes of gameplay rather than delve deep into a classic from one of my favorite authors. So, I'm hoping my Nook HD is the answer I need for this. Since it is smaller, maybe I'll have it along with my more often so I can read more often. Also, since B&N doesn't seem to have any intention of competing with iOS on the scale of game offerings, I won't be tempted to play N.O.V.A. or Modern Combat over reading Eliot.
2. 7" seems to really be the perfect size for a reading tablet. Sorry HD+ owners, you're not going to like this point. If that HD+ is your first tablet, I hope you will at least heed or remember my thoughts here. My iPad (or any 10" screen) is too big to read on enjoyably. I've had an iPad for almost 2 years and I have spent many hours reading on it. It's an amazing device for things like producing writing, annotating essays, playing games, or watching movies, but the size of the blessed thing is just not ideal for reading*. Think about it, why are most paperbacks around 6-8" tall? I think it's because you naturally read faster and more easily when your eyes don't have to travel too far up an down the pages. A 7" tablet has the same effect. After reading on my HD for a while today, I can honestly say that the reading experience seems easier and more natural. Plus, being able to hold it with one hand makes it more convenient as well.
*I also looked at a couple magazines on my Nook HD and I will say the 10" screens are more suited for that. Looking at Entertainment Weekly caused some eyestrain. I suppose that's one reason B&N invented Article View.
So, that's my spiel. Feel free to concur or show obloquy as desired.
I got the HD because:
1) It had faster benchmarks than the Nexus 7
2) It had a better resolution and an overall better screen than the Nexus 7
3) It was rootable
4) I originally paid $180, but then returned it and got it for $149 at Staples
5) Nexus 7 16GB was not available anywhere.
Overall, I am very happy with the little tablet. I got my wife the HD+ at Staples for $199. She's not so happy with it, so I'll have two tablets and she'll end up getting the iPad Mini when the retina version comes out since her first gen iPad is getting outdated. Both the HD and HD+ were rooted but updated to 2.0.5, but Play still works. I was able to sideload Chrome since Play shows it incompatible. I also have them both booting to CM10 which has been pretty stable so far.
I agree about the 7" size. I have a 10" android tablet for playing games and surfing the web. I got the HD for reading. I rooted it to put other reading apps on it and so it can be more of an all-around device when necessary.
I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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Those are good points. Like I said in my op, magazines are a bit small on the HD, so I'm sure the HD+ is better for anything illustrated.
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Great briefing now there is thread to point out to confused potential buyers
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The HD+ gives a quite nice two-column reading experience in landscape. I would have stuck with something smaller if comic books and magazines were lower on my priority list, but my old Nook Color always felt a bit cramped for those. I've honestly been on a comic book and audio book jag ever since I got the HD+ and not reading much in the way of straight text.
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Great briefing now there is thread to point out to confused potential buyers
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Good idea. Title changed to help that type of buyer searching.
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Even if the title weren't change it just mean people would look at the remarks and can tell, that maybe there is something they want to do and HD isn't good at but HD+ does better. It's no confusing at all. Reasons to buy alone isn't very informative w/o reasons not to buy. Information is information, period.
I went from Sony Reader to Kindle 3 to Nook Tablet to Nook HD+.
Nook Tablet is perfect size for reading books and bringing along with me--I agree with you there.
I read lots of magazines in PDF format. That's the main reason I went with the bigger HD+. I've grown accustomed to the size now and like the bigger screen.
Hardback books are about the size of the HD+, and I have always liked Hardback covers over paperbacks. So my yin to your yang.
However I have yet to use this thing for anything but video and some light music.
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Has anyone here tried the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 also?
I'm on the fence between a Kindle Fire HD 8.9 and a Nook HD+. I wasn't sure if I wanted a 7" or 9" at first but I think I need a 9" because I mostly will want to use it to look at PDF tech manuals and CAD schematic drawings when I'm on the go crawling around in areas where it is inconvenient to carry a laptop. Aside from that, its nice to have something to use on the plane or sitting around at the airport.
The main differences I see are:
Kindle: thinner (barely), has mimo wifi (don't know if its a real diff), camera (already have a phone camera), micro usb (don't have to buy proprietary connectors), ambient light sensor (might save some batt)
Nook: lighter (not by much), higher ppi (barely), external storage (although I'm not sure if I really need it)
Price is about the same if I look on ebay. Software is the same if I put on CM10, although I'm not sure if the kindle is as far along.
For me, seems like the biggest diff is the micro usb vs the external storage, and maybe the weight, hard to know how important 2.4oz is. I suspect that the external storage won't really be needed so if the weight isnt a big diff, I think I may lean towards the kindle.
I'd be interested in any other important differences people have noticed.
There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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Yes, if you only have one tablet/smartphone device the choice is harder. However, I have a smartphone and a 10" android tablet. I wanted a light reader with added functionality. I fell in love with the nook HD screen as I am a screen-o-phile and can't go back to TN displays with poor color representation. The Nook HD has fantastic colors as well as a good resolution. Images just pop. I think it has over 90% adobe RGB gamut which is better than the nexus 7 (86% if I recall correctly) along with a better resolution.
Now resolution is not everything. The next gen ipad certainly has a ridiculous resolution that requires an overpowered GPU for most purposes ... that is all purposes except reading where every bit of resolution helps to discern text. Likewise, the extra bit of resolution on the Nook HD really makes it a good reader.
The Nook HD is also very light and has removable storage which is a HUGE plus for me. All the major tablet/phone manufacturers charge like 100-200 bucks more for pennies worth of Nand. 720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. B&N produced a quality product at a good price. They did shortchange in certain areas (no camera, no sensors), but I don't care about camera as almost all of them suck anyways in 7" tablets (especially the front ones) and the sensors are kind of a pain but I already have a smartphone so what do I care?
The Nook HD is a fantastic reader and secondary tablet. Hopefully with some more work on CM10/10.1, it will be a better primary one too.
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720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
As for sensors, I dont care about the camera. GPS would be nice but the kindle doesnt have it either.
I don't see the use of a proximity sensor. The gyro is needed for some games. and the light sensor is somewhat important to output the right amount of brightness.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
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A decently compressed feature-length 720p movie will range from 1.5-4GB depending on encoding, and a straight rip without decent compression might run 6-8GB or more. If you want to have more than one such movie on your tablet and maybe a couple of TV episodes as well as other media (magazines, PDFs, comics) it piles up fast. I don't even watch many videos on my tablet, and getting by on less than 32GB for what is essentially a media portal would be a pain.
Most 720p movies I've watched are in the 1-1.5 range. Beyond that I havent noticed alot of difference but maybe that's just me. Regardless, I don't see myself watching alot of movies on this and I wouldn't need to store more than one or two at a time. My primary purpose would be using it when it is inconvenient to carry my laptop like when I'm out in the field and need to pull up a pdf manual and/or cad drawings. This does not require much storage space.
It does sound like the trade is between the piece of mind of being able to upgrade storage and having a couple more sensors + the convenience of a microUSB.
i agree that 7" is a darn good size for reading and on hand holding, but i occasionally do things other than reading and 7" kinda limited me. i upgraded my galaxy tab 8.9 to this device. i do have a 10.1 galaxy note but do find that one too big for reading most of the times. it's not heavy, just awkward holding with one hand while laying down reading.
The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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This had way top many overgeneralizations for me to ignore. For one, the storage difference is significant. For the same price I can get a nook HD with a 64gb micro SD card as a 32gb nexus.
The PPI difference is still significant. I compared both devices directly and the nook HD had better color accuracy and sharper text. 900p is actually over 25% more pixels than 800p. It is a huge difference for reading and text-based media consumption.
Weight is also very important for me at this form factor and given my usage patterns. The nook HD is the lightest device in its class and feels even lighter than my phone. I feel weight definitely matters especially for a device meant to be held and used as a replacement novel unlike say an iPad which can reasonably be expected to be laid down or held upright by a case instead.
Powerful is relative. The tegra 3 GPU is seriously underwhelming to adreno and mali. I know, I own a transformer infinity. For most virtually every process the nook HD is just as smooth as the nexus 7 which is all that really matters, not epeen statements about power. Devices need only be powerful enough for their intended use.
Nexus devices are definitely nice but so is cynmogen mod. Nook HD definitely takes more work to enjoy. Sensors are also irrelevant if you use them. How man people do you know actually use the cameras on their tablet for example. How about GPS? Having the option is definitely nice but irrelevant in most cases to the vast majority of people.
Its ironic that you mention the hd+ as being better. I found using it underwhelming. After having owned the infinity, I know how hard it is for current gen tech to power full HD displays. The nook HD+ was very slow at loading PDFs in store and kind of clunky in terms of performance. Understandable as even my infinity lags with an over clocked tegra 3. A nook HD was however completely smooth for me.
To each his own, but I think the nook HD is a much better device for me than a nexus 7. Even if I didn't ave a larger tablet, I would have gotten a nook.
In my opinion tablets are all about screen first, practicality second, and smoothness second. The nook HD does a better job at being a media consumption device than the nexus 7 across many metrics.
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
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I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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It is a nice device. I have not used a Kindle Fire HD so don't know how it compares.
The HD+ has a locked bootloader, so it is difficult to put ROMs on internal memory. It has a system where if you change something on /system it will reset itself back to factory settings. But the devs have done a good job of hacking it and you can have it rooted and put gapps and any app you want on internal memory.
But the biggest advantage hackerwise is it has an SD slot and can be booted from SD, completely bypassing the stock ROM. And we already have a very mature CM10 on SD.
So from a hackers view, it is super.
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gunnyman said:
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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There is a CM10 coming soon thread that has been coming soon for a while now.
well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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AND, if you choose the stock root option developed by leapinlar and you want to return to absolute brand new stock, it is easy to do just by following the instructions for the 8 reboot. Good to know if you wish to sell it later (although I doubt if you will).
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
gunnyman said:
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Lol. Yes that was my problem. But I think I've got it figured out now. And loving it. I love the screen, and the speakers really aren't THAT bad, are they? Maybe I just have Lower standards than others who complain about them.
Yes, I agree, give the wife the kindle fire and get this device for yourself. The mucroSD card booting is the reason I bought it.... and the price didn't hurt either. I've got a friend at work who got the nexus 10 and he's jealous when I tell him all the cool things I'm doing with my HD+.
Sent from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ using Tapatalk HD
Loving the HD+. CM10 on SD card is evolving too such that much of the ROM is actually in memory now, so even faster. And CM10/10.1 is so feature loaded! And pull the SD out for a stock (or rooted sotck) experience (the reader on the HD is excellent). I've taken to using it for note taking by stylus and syncing via dropbox, its becoming an essential device for me! That said, I wish the charger/connector were uUSB, and teh dev community is working hard but is somewhat small so its not like you are going to get a lot of options. Accessorizing is a challenge too, but stuff is coming out...
I say bestow this KFHD on your wife for Valentines Day
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
CM10 or 10.1?
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
tigim101 said:
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
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Sounds like a good deal.
I think the update takes care of some lag issues, and you definitely won't see lag on cm10. Except perhaps when switching from Portrait to landscape but I think that's being worked on.
And yes, once you are running in cm10 all you have to do is remove the sd card, reboot and it Will boot into stock (or rooted stock, if that's what you're running) then when you're done in stock, put back in the SD card, reboot again, and magically back in cm10.
Larrondo said:
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I haven't actually run cm10.1 so can't speak too much on advantages/disadvantages of it, but I THINK the way it works is that cm10 is jelly Bean 4.1 and cm10.1 is jelly Bean 4.2.
If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure somebody will set me straight and we'll both learn something.
Sent using Tapatalk HD from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ running CM10 on SD
I'm jealous of the Fire HD's speakers, but the Nook HD+ has it beat in pretty much every other area, at least if you're not shy about rooting or banging together a CM10 SD card. And of course, for the price of a KFHD with no ads you can have a Nook HD+ and a 64GB SD card to put in it. I only noticed UI lag in the store models at Target before I got them online and updated them. As far as I can see, the first post-release update put any lag to bed, and the HD+ tested really well from the start in browser speed.
And personally, I'm a storage junkie. I have a lot of (digital) stuff, and the main point of a tablet for me is to have access to my stuff, not Amazon's or B&N's stuff. The stuff I want to view on a 9" screen takes up some space, and I would get cramped with 30-40GB available on my old Nook Color. Having 60-70GB to play with is just right. I probably would have snapped up a Nexus 7 a long time ago, or held out for a Nexus 10, if Google hadn't decided that expandable storage hurts consumers wittle bwains.
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
gunnyman said:
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
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The less you have the more you want!
I liked Android simplicity three years ago ... now CM 10.1 nightly is not enough to me
2 things that i think are pretty important; sometimes more important than the internals, on a tablet are screen and form factor. If you are going to be holding somthing in your hand and staring at it for extended time you want that to be enjoyable. I bought the Nook HD over other 7inch tablets based mostly on the great screen resolution/ppi and how light and comforable the HD feels in the hand. I have a Samgsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, but I hadly pick it up now having the HD.
I returned my kfhd today and got a 32 GB hd + so much better. Very easy to get gapps on it. Only annoyance is the white on white but I bet that gets fixed very soon.
The white on white thing is fixed. You can install a zip on this forum to fix it
I'm rather torn between the Nook HD and the Nexus 7. The fact I get vanilla Android with the Nexus is tempting but the better screen and expandable storage (either would be mostly running without the benefit of an Internet connection) makes the Nook equally tempting in a different way. Is the display that much better than the Nexus' to the point that it justifies a device that needs unlocking in order to meet my requirements?
In terms of video playback, how powerful is the HW acceleration support for the Nook? I'd want to feed it FHD videos to take advantage of the extra resolution and I don't want it choking.
For perspective, I have had a lot of tablets: The infamous Viewsonic Gtablet, HTC Flyer, Toshiba's first 10" tab, Toshiba Excite 10", A500 and now currently own the Excite 7.7, TF 300 and iPad 4.
I got the Nook HD+ 32GB due to the 2.1 update and the $200 price from Best Buy. The intent is perhaps to give the TF300 and KB to my wife
+Likes
+Build.
+Display quality (it is almost as good as the iPad 4)
+Size.
+Speed: Contrary to some benchmarks, the Nook is in general faster in multi tasking than the TF300 and also is faster with FPSE and MAMEReloaded. Seems the chipset handles the higher res display better also than the TF700. Part of the problem with the Tegra 3 is the single channel design, where the 4470 has dual channel memory.
+Battery life is better than expected. About as good as my Excite 7.7, which is good.
+SD card speed seems good and nice to have (unlike the Nexus tablets).
+Not much bloat and 27GB free out of box. Pretty good.
+Nook is much faster updating apps than the Excite and TF300. Those tablets slow down when updating apps and likely due to the single channel memory
+Best sleep mode that does not bleed battery of any Android device I have owned- period. As close to iPad great as possible- for an Android device.
-Dislikes
-The rimmed bezel edge. Unlike the Excite and iPad, it seems exposed if dust or other fine debris were to get in the area. Update: Seems pretty tight around the bezel, so perhaps no problem. Update 2: A positive for the rim is the display is not flush to the bezel, so protected more if placed face down on a surface.
-Touch response is not as good as the Excite 7.7, TF300 or iPad 4. It is good, but I do notice a little difference compared with the other tablets.
-Though much better cable design than the Excite (the connector and cable is HUGE), it is still proprietary and hard to find one in a pinch. Like the Excite as well, it should have also been a standard USB design like the Nexus 7. What is the point of the special cable?
-Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging. Net negative doing anything besides charging. Excite and TF300 are same.
-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps
-Like the A500, there is concentrated heat in one section where the chipset is located. Gets very warm to hot with 3D games.
-No cameras (especially front for Skype).
-Wifi seems a little bit weaker than my other tablets, but seems fast. A positive perhaps for battery life.
In summary, this is a good tablet for $300 considering the display, build and speed and an AMAZING one for the $200 I paid at Best Buy (plus tax, of course). Sadly, this seems a Hail Mary from B&N and likely a last ditch effort to drive revenue and perhaps purge a lot of static inventory. They probably have a LOT of working capital tied up in the hardware and want to make their balance sheet look better ASAP. This seems the case considering they slashed the price for the week and have compromised the business model for their contained app ecosystem.
Perhaps though there may be some short-term partnering going on with Google, so you never know!
Whatever the case, GREAT tablet for the money- presuming you do not need cameras!
well, for my case, this upgrade did improve the display but it's not worth for me because some apps working with the 2.0.4 are now error in 2.1. I didn't know why but this's annoying.
A warning to those who want to upgrade: some apps may not work with this new kernel (can install but error while running).
>What is the point of the special cable?
Agreed with all the drawbacks of a proprietary cable, but it is better than the micro-USB connector in that it doesn't break as easily. I've had a couple of NC's, and went through 3 different cables that had damaged connectors, which were replaced free of charge. I can't imagine B&N were too happy about the replacement cost.
The HD+ is a superlative tablet for reading, and IMO is best for in-home use. I don't see it as a good traveling device, because of its heft, and lack of things like GPS and cameras.
>Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging
It charges pretty fast for me. From near-empty to full was about 3 hours. Charging is still net positive while watching streamed videos, although I didn't measure how fast it was. I suppose it depends on the activity.
>some apps may not work with this new kernel
Yes, the OfficeSuite app broke on my HD+ with the 2.1 update.
It is a great device with 2.1 and AMAZING for the price. Two new points that I added to the review:
+Like
This device has the BEST sleep mode of any Android device I have owned. Overnight it lost one percentage point of battery and that is with wifi on.
-Dislike
The wifi is a little weaker than my other tablets.
Update: REALLY liking this device! The touch response is good, rather than "okay" and I update accordingly. If I could side load apps like Flash and N64, it would be my favorite tablet. For $200, this is amazing. Makes me regret paying $380 for my 32GB Excite 7.7 now. Might even make me doubt my iPad 4 purchase a tad, but I love the app ecosystem for it.
e.mote said:
>What is the point of the special cable?
Agreed with all the drawbacks of a proprietary cable, but it is better than the micro-USB connector in that it doesn't break as easily. I've had a couple of NC's, and went through 3 different cables that had damaged connectors, which were replaced free of charge. I can't imagine B&N were too happy about the replacement cost.
The HD+ is a superlative tablet for reading, and IMO is best for in-home use. I don't see it as a good traveling device, because of its heft, and lack of things like GPS and cameras.
>Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging
It charges pretty fast for me. From near-empty to full was about 3 hours. Charging is still net positive while watching streamed videos, although I didn't measure how fast it was. I suppose it depends on the activity.
>some apps may not work with this new kernel
Yes, the OfficeSuite app broke on my HD+ with the 2.1 update.
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It's a half pound lighter then the iPad 4. Other then lack of cameras (which I have never used on any tablet), it's very nice for traveling light.
The update has speed both my stock Nook HD and HD+ quite a bit. I'm extremely happy with it.
I picked up my Nook HD+ last night.
+ 3:2 ratio
Because of menu bars and such, I really like having a bit more height when holding the tablet in landscape mode for browsing. And in portrait the extra width still allows web pages to be readable. Comics and manga pages fit the 3:2 screen perfectly. And the tablet feels more balanced.
+ 257 PPI
Text is so sharp.
+ Speaker
I'm really impressed with how nice the speaker sounds on this (much better than the Nexus 7).
+ Micro SD slot
I have a pile of micro SD cards in a bag I don't use anymore because none of my tablets or phones have micro SD slots. Glad I finally have something to put my 32GB Sandisk into (wish it had support for my 64GB SDXC).
+ Comfort
Has a soft touch back and the bezel feels nice to hold, everything feels very solid. Doesn't feel too heavy, quite comfortable.
+ Price
Ridiculous value at the current $180 sale price.
- Performance
It's running Android 4.0 ICS and I'm reminded of the dramatic difference Android 4.1 made with performance. The UI and animations are stuttery, it doesn't feel smooth at all. But it's still a small step up from my Kindle Fire HD. Overall I'd say performance is okay, but it's a shame B&N hasn't updated this to Jelly Bean.
- Glass
The glass is untreated. It's not as smooth feeling as other tablets. And fingerprints are nearly impossible to wipe off with a dry cloth. I wish B&N didn't cut this particular corner, it's a small thing that makes a big difference. I had to put Rain-X on my Nook Color and may do the same with this (I have to be more careful though, that stuff stains the plastic bezel).
- Bezel
I credited the bezel for making it more comfortable to hold. But at the same time I'm knocking it for being ugly, sorry. Perhaps if B&N got rid of the silly hole in the corner that might help. This negative is purely about my aesthetic sense. I like the look of tablets with flat glass fronts. And the Nexus 7 managed to pull that off and still be very comfortable to hold as well.
- Sideloading
I was hoping B&N would have permitted this by now, but seems it's still not possible to download and install an APK file. Sideloading is possible if you installed the Android/Nook SDK and adb install the APK file from a PC (and that's a hassle to setup the first time). Even Amazon allows sideloading on the Kindle Fires.
I've been trying out the new stock after running CM10 on my HD+ for months (with brief forays into rooted stock for magazines), and it's generally acceptable. The 2.1 update is an improvement, but there are still things that bug me, particularly the dumbed-down Recent Apps and the inconsistency/lack of softkeys. Using the 'n' for every home-press is a step down in ergonomics and likely increases wear and tear. None of the incompatible apps so far are dealbreakers, though Fancy Widgets, OfficeSuite and Google Voice are disappointing.
I tried to like the stock home screen, but it was just too limited. Why does the OS support grouping apps into "shelves" if you can't link directly to those shelves from your home screen? Shelf shortcuts would still be a step down from the pop-up folder implementation of most post-ICS launchers, but they would be adequate. Placing widgets on the stock home screen is also finicky and frustrating, with unpredictable placement and no option to resize. Most touch elements of the stock UI and B&N apps are quite finicky--I don't know if they have smaller touch zones or what, but I find them much less consistent in touch response than my ADWEx Launcher or third party apps.
All that said, I think I can live with it for the improvements in stability and battery life vs. CM10/10.1, and access to the stock magazine reader without rebooting (the Nook for Android app doesn't compare). I haven't tried a lot of apps yet, so poor performance there may still drive me back to CyanogenMod. I may have to re-root for Button Savior, but right now it's not a huge deal.
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Just to clear up a couple of things:
Ravynmagi said:
+ 3:2 ratio
Because of menu bars and such, I really like having a bit more height when holding the tablet in landscape mode for browsing. And in portrait the extra width still allows web pages to be readable. Comics and manga pages fit the 3:2 screen perfectly. And the tablet feels more balanced.
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If I'm getting you, I think you have the terms "portrait" and "landscape" confused. A device in landscape orientation is wider than it is tall, and in portrait it's taller than it is wide.
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+ Speaker
I'm really impressed with how nice the speaker sounds on this (much better than the Nexus 7).
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0_0 That's surprising to see. I haven't used the Nexus 7 and the HD+ speaker is a big step up over my old Nook Color, but it's also one of the things people complain about the most. I took it for being adequate but sub-par and just assumed the N7 did better.
Ravynmagi said:
+ Micro SD slot
I have a pile of micro SD cards in a bag I don't use anymore because none of my tablets or phones have micro SD slots. Glad I finally have something to put my 32GB Sandisk into (wish it had support for my 64GB SDXC).
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The HD+ can be picky about specific cards, but in general it handles 64GB just fine, as did the Nook Color and Nook Tablet before it. I've been using a 64GB SanDisk UM10 since I got my HD+ back in Novemeber, mostly as a boot drive for CM10, and it works just fine.
Ravynmagi said:
- Bezel
I credited the bezel for making it more comfortable to hold. But at the same time I'm knocking it for being ugly, sorry. Perhaps if B&N got rid of the silly hole in the corner that might help. This negative is purely about my aesthetic sense. I like the look of tablets with flat glass fronts. And the Nexus 7 managed to pull that off and still be very comfortable to hold as well.
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Meh, difference of opinion. I find the HD+ styling aesthetically positive but not that comfortable to hold (moot point because it's always in a case). Most tablets, including the N7, have a generic look to me, though I'd take that over the plastic lozenge styling of the 7" Nook HD.
Ravynmagi said:
- Sideloading
I was hoping B&N would have permitted this by now, but seems it's still not possible to download and install an APK file. Sideloading is possible if you installed the Android/Nook SDK and adb install the APK file from a PC (and that's a hassle to setup the first time). Even Amazon allows sideloading on the Kindle Fires.
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If you do want to enable sideloading, burning a ClockworkMod Recovery SD card and using leapinlar's script from this thread (last file linked at the bottom of the OP) will require a lot less troubleshooting than getting your HD+ to talk to ADB, and of course you only have to do it once and sideloading is on for good. You can use the CWM card to back up your system before you run the script, and whenever you want to make a backup afterward--another use for all those SD cards
"-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps"
With a little bit of work you can get apps sideloaded. No need for rooting either.
1) Create a CWM flashable zip using instructions in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613)
2) Download and copy NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file from the above referenced thread to the CWM SD card
3) Flash the above zip when booted from the CWM mod and you now have a tablet that can sideload apps and also allows install of the Amazon appstore
I am really happy with this tablet!
Taosaur said:
If I'm getting you, I think you have the terms "portrait" and "landscape" confused. A device in landscape orientation is wider than it is tall, and in portrait it's taller than it is wide.
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Not quite. What I was trying to say is typical Android tablets use a 16:10 ratio. So a 16:10 tablet would have a 1920x1200 resolution.
The Nook HD+ uses a 3:2 ratio with a 1920x1280. So what I was trying to say is that in landscape mode you have 80 extra pixels of height or in portrait you have 80 extra pixels of width.
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Not quite. What I was trying to say is typical Android tablets use a 16:10 ratio. So a 16:10 tablet would have a 1920x1200 resolution.
The Nook HD+ uses a 3:2 ratio with a 1920x1280. So what I was trying to say is that in landscape mode you have 80 extra pixels of height or in portrait you have 80 extra pixels of width.
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Ah, I thought maybe I was missing your point there. I agree the screen dimensions are outstanding for magazines and comics.
Is newest 2.1 Jelly bean base?
I am using CM custom roms instead of Nook original due to Nook original doesn't allow to install a lot apps even I did root.
So I am wondering is newest 2.1 the Jelly bean instead of ICS?
rushless said:
For perspective, I have had a lot of tablets: The infamous Viewsonic Gtablet, HTC Flyer, Toshiba's first 10" tab, Toshiba Excite 10", A500 and now currently own the Excite 7.7, TF 300 and iPad 4.
I got the Nook HD+ 32GB due to the 2.1 update and the $200 price from Best Buy. The intent is perhaps to give the TF300 and KB to my wife
+Likes
+Build.
+Display quality (it is almost as good as the iPad 4)
+Size.
+Speed: Contrary to some benchmarks, the Nook is in general faster in multi tasking than the TF300 and also is faster with FPSE and MAMEReloaded. Seems the chipset handles the higher res display better also than the TF700. Part of the problem with the Tegra 3 is the single channel design, where the 4470 has dual channel memory.
+Battery life is better than expected. About as good as my Excite 7.7, which is good.
+SD card speed seems good and nice to have (unlike the Nexus tablets).
+Not much bloat and 27GB free out of box. Pretty good.
+Nook is much faster updating apps than the Excite and TF300. Those tablets slow down when updating apps and likely due to the single channel memory
+Best sleep mode that does not bleed battery of any Android device I have owned- period. As close to iPad great as possible- for an Android device.
-Dislikes
-The rimmed bezel edge. Unlike the Excite and iPad, it seems exposed if dust or other fine debris were to get in the area. Update: Seems pretty tight around the bezel, so perhaps no problem. Update 2: A positive for the rim is the display is not flush to the bezel, so protected more if placed face down on a surface.
-Touch response is not as good as the Excite 7.7, TF300 or iPad 4. It is good, but I do notice a little difference compared with the other tablets.
-Though much better cable design than the Excite (the connector and cable is HUGE), it is still proprietary and hard to find one in a pinch. Like the Excite as well, it should have also been a standard USB design like the Nexus 7. What is the point of the special cable?
-Seems to barely be a trickle charge with USB charging. Net negative doing anything besides charging. Excite and TF300 are same.
-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps
-Like the A500, there is concentrated heat in one section where the chipset is located. Gets very warm to hot with 3D games.
-No cameras (especially front for Skype).
-Wifi seems a little bit weaker than my other tablets, but seems fast. A positive perhaps for battery life.
In summary, this is a good tablet for $300 considering the display, build and speed and an AMAZING one for the $200 I paid at Best Buy (plus tax, of course). Sadly, this seems a Hail Mary from B&N and likely a last ditch effort to drive revenue and perhaps purge a lot of static inventory. They probably have a LOT of working capital tied up in the hardware and want to make their balance sheet look better ASAP. This seems the case considering they slashed the price for the week and have compromised the business model for their contained app ecosystem.
Perhaps though there may be some short-term partnering going on with Google, so you never know!
Whatever the case, GREAT tablet for the money- presuming you do not need cameras!
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fordarm said:
I am using CM custom roms instead of Nook original due to Nook original doesn't allow to install a lot apps even I did root.
So I am wondering is newest 2.1 the Jelly bean instead of ICS?
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No it is still ICS.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
From a speed perspective, the Nook is overall as fast or faster than my Tegra 3 devices with JB. I use Nova instead of the stock UI.
Frankly, I have noticed no speed improvement with any of my Android devices going from ICS to JB.
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From a speed perspective, the Nook is overall as fast or faster than my Tegra 3 devices with JB. I use Nova instead of the stock UI.
Frankly, I have noticed no speed improvement with any of my Android devices going from ICS to JB.
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What Tegra 3 device with JB are you referring to? Because the Nexus 7 is a helluva lot faster and smoother than my HD+ with Nova.
You should definitely notice a big difference between ICS and JB, so something sounds weird with whatever device that was on. My Galaxy Nexus, getting Android 4.1 made it feel like a new phone.
CPU heavy apps like MAME and PSX. The Nook is faster. The Nexus 7 also bogs down when using apps and using the device at the same time. Nook so far has not. Dual channel memory would be a factor in that. I notice no difference with any of my noted devices between ICS and JB. Benchmarks I do, though do not see it. The bottleneck with Tegra 3 is the single channel memory.
I prefer using the Nook over the TF300 now and have it set to performance mode.
Debates aside, whatever BN did to get the near iPad 4 level low battery bleed I'm sleep mode should bottle it up and sell to other OEs. I did not think and Android device could be this conservative in sleep mode.
fljoe said:
"-No side-loading of apps. I would like to install Flash and my N64 emulator, but can not. At least B&N allowed the market and Google apps"
With a little bit of work you can get apps sideloaded. No need for rooting either.
1) Create a CWM flashable zip using instructions in the following thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613)
2) Download and copy NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file from the above referenced thread to the CWM SD card
3) Flash the above zip when booted from the CWM mod and you now have a tablet that can sideload apps and also allows install of the Amazon appstore
I am really happy with this tablet!
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Any chance you could do an simplified guide for this? That page is a beast.I don't want to break my Nook as it belongs to my Mrs.
thanks
I followed the instructions and flashed the extras rev 3 package. Flash 11.1 works great!! Thanks!
whatagonad said:
Any chance you could do an simplified guide for this? That page is a beast.I don't want to break my Nook as it belongs to my Mrs.
thanks
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The instructions in the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613 thread is as simple as it gets, anyway I am simplyfying if further. I am assuming you have the Nook HD+ 9inch tablet
1) Make a folder called Nook_Mod on your PC and download 2 of the files attached at the bottom of the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2062613. The files you need are:
i. NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3-(02.17.13).zip
ii. NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip
2) Using WinRar or WinZip extract NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3-(02.17.13).zip file. After extraction you should see a file called NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3.img
3) Now download a program called Win32DiskImager from http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/. This program is used to write the image file in step 2 to a microSD card. The download is in zip format, so you will need to unzip the file.
4) Get a 4GB microSD card preferably SanDisk Class 4 and insert it into the card reader slot of your PC. Once the card is recognized by your PC, note the drive letter for the card (ie E:\ or F:\ etc)
5) Click on the Win32DiskImager program. A box pops up and here make sure you select the correct drive to write to under the Device heading (ie. the drive associated with your microSD card). Click on the Folder icon in the box, right next to Device and select the NookHDplus-bootable-CWM-6023-for-emmc-stock-4GB-rev3.img file and then click on the "Write" button. It will take approximately 15 to 20 minutes to write the image to the microSD card.
6) After the image is written, exit out of the Win32DiskImager program. Remove the microSD card from your computer.
7) Re-insert the microSD card in your computer. Your card contents should look like the image I have attached to this post.
8) Now copy the NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file to the root of the microSD card
9) Ensure your nook HD+ is charged completely and turn it OFF completely.
10) Insert the microSD card into the slot on your Nook HD+
11) Power ON your Nook HD+
12) You will soon see the Clockwork Mod (CWM) logo appear and your device will boot into CWM
13) Use the Vol+ and Vol- keys on the side of the Nook to navigate the cursor and highlight "backup and restore"
14) Press the "n" buttom on the bottom of the Nook HD to activate the selection which is Backup to backup your device. This will take a while.
15) Now press the "Power" button to go back to the Main menu and now choose "Install zip from SD"
16) Navigate to the NookHD-HDplus-Extras-rev3-(05.06.13).zip file you had copied to the microSD card. Select this file and click on the "n" button to flash this file and select install
17) After the file has been installed, you can remove the microSD card from the Nook HD and keep it somewhere safe. You might need to use this card again if you want to restore your Nook HD.
18) Now navigate to the reboot menu line and click on reboot and your Nook HD+ should boot back into the stock ROM.
Now you should be able to sideload any apps.
Please thank leapinlar as it is due to his efforts that this has been made possible. Also I am just re-hashing instructions that was in his thread, so all credits should go to him
Good Luck!
As already noted in the instructions, be VERY careful choosing the drive with Win32DiskImager, since it will not default to the sd card. You have to pick the drive on the right hand side of the app.
I personally prefer WinImage for burning cards--some systems have trouble with one or the other program.