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Sony Ericsson X10 UI

I have one question in my mind since month.
Why don't we have sony ericsson X10 UI for hd2?
Can someone answer me please ?
Thanks erveryone!

Sony's UI is very proprietary and closed. Not only its drivers are completely coded from the ground up, its software is a complete mess because it's dependant of a bunch of "special sony services". I don't think it's possible to extract the Sony applications to use in other systems and if so, I wouldn't recommend it. Having owned an X10, it's a headache and a nightmare to get anything out of that phone...

Ok thanks for your answer too bad we can't use this UI

Bootloader for ARC / Xperia models

The X10 has an issue with the Bootloader being protected by Marlin DRM.
There is no obvious reason and no clear benefit to end users or the general public. Most likely a precautionary measure to ensure SE applications work as intended and to assist with purchases of games, music, updates to Android firmware (often mistakenly called ROM's) and features Sony Ericsson have not explained in any level of detail or even stated that it exists as part of their obligations and your rights to know as the consumer.
According to the W3C.
What are some potential invasions of privacy?
1. User authentication - current PKI protocols limit the degree of anonymity -- we need to know who are you so we can sue you if you infringe
2. Usage tracking for fraud prevention
OK. Now you have just purchased a Sony Ericsson Android phone and all your social network contacts from any social media site can be merged with your phone book, backed up into Google's Gmail and shared beyond any one or all of these service's. The man controlling 'everything' that happens on your device is SE.
The phone at core capability is able to run Ubuntu / Debian Linux, Windows, iPhone and emulate everything you might wish to or choose to. Thanks to this 'feature' in the form of the Marlin DRM and Seacert broadband bootstrap implementation being present on these phones... it isn't going to happen.
With the Xperia models, the entire operating system is virtualized on boot and impossible to modify the behavior of the boot loader, due to a very high grade encryption system, provided by Inter Trust.
Unlike HTC, Motorolla, Samsung (who own a stake in the Marlin DRM but choose not to use it for snooping or destroying the main purpose of Android phones) for that matter most other Android phone manufacturers, allow the boot loader to be modified without too much effort and load a custom bootloader for multiple firmwares.
e.g; Gingerbread 2.3.2 is the default o/s shipped with Sony Ericsson apps, you want to keep this but also load Honeycomb, or Gingerbread 2.3.3, a modified vanilla o/s without things like timescape and unnecessary apps that do nothing for saving battery life.. it's your phone and you should be able to have this choice, in fact the reason Android is open source, is stop one company from forming any kind of monopoly.
So what should DRM so for us?
Are there general requirements from the concept of free flow of information?
* avoid unnecessary use restrictions, respect fair use
* universal service --- equal and fair access right
* support variety of licensing options
* make it easy for users to act lawfully
* seamless operation, interoperability of DRMS
* Support Information Search(engines)
* make licensing easy to reduce transaction costs
* secure operating environment: integrity and availability of content
* avoid bottlenecks and monopolies when standardizing (production and distribution)
Conclusion:
* copyright laws give free hand to those who develop DRMS
* Only few compulsory requirements from Law, but Guidelines can be derived from Law
* when hesitating, think in terms of free flow of information
Now back on over in Android world at Google HQ...
On 24 September 2009, Google issued a cease and desist letter to the modder Cyanogen, citing issues with the re-distribution of Google's closed-source applications within custom firmware.
Even though most of Android OS is open source, phones come packaged with closed-source Google applications for functionality such as the application store and GPS navigation.
Google asserted these applications can only be provided through approved distribution channels by licensed distributors. Cyanogen complied with Google's wishes and is continuing to distribute this mod without the proprietary software.
He has provided a method to back up licensed Google applications during the mod's install process and restore them when it is complete.
The exact same principle can be done with SE closed source apps and SE do provide the source code for their firmwares as part of the open source license. Anyone withing to check this out can simply head over to http://developer.sonyericsson.com/wportal/devworld/technology/android/ and start developing straight away. The source code, test keys and everything you need is either there or linked from there back to the places you need to be.
Semcboot security algorithms are not required and serve no benefit. The day that SE stop's supporting updates for this device, the same as they did with the Xperia X10 at 2.1 Eclair, your phone will be useless and stuck with older versions of Android.
If this is acceptable and your not bother by having no bootloader mod's, a hack to be able to change firmware that may someday soon be blocked and privacy issues built in as a matter of due course that you were not even correctly informed of, except for via a specialist forum (your looking at it), then good luck with your Arc, Neo or Play.. and I suspect that there is the real rationale here - Play.
Marlin DRM exists in the PlayStation 3 for the market and guide as it does in the PSP and also will in the Xperia Play. SE became rather unhappy when the master cryptographic key to the PS3 was discovered and distributed on mass over the internet (I have a t-shirt with the codes printed...) as it bypassed their protection ad allowed among other things, pirated games to play and unauthorized content to loaded, custom operating systems etc..
Sony Ericsson watched carefully at HTC and thought about how best to implement all of their technology in an extremely secure manor and this is the result. It may actually benefit end users, so far Sony have yet to state their side of the story and will be looking forward to seeing posts on anything relevant in this thread, for anyone interested in the subject and for anyone thinking of buying an Arc.
Wish I had of known this information before I purchased my x10 but is it such a perfect world?

Isn't the X10 hackable?
This forum here has tons of custom roms for the X10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=617
Sorry for the stupid question. I'm new to SE and considering an Xperia arc.

yoyohere2 said:
Isn't the X10 hackable?
This forum here has tons of custom roms for the X10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=617
Sorry for the stupid question. I'm new to SE and considering an Xperia arc.
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No it is not. We cannot get a newer Linux kernel with new feature hooks that support functions like tether and hotspot and speed or security improvements. All the roms just overlay newer Android on top of the older kernel.
Other phones have been fully hacked and can get a newer kernel to support the newer Android without any mismatched functions. The devs here have to work hard retrofitting Android.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App

well the X2 wasnt hacked yet

This thread shows how to root a X10.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711907
So the xperia arc and xperia x10 can be rooted?

Geohot recently announced that he bought a Xperia x10 and will be first in cue for the Xperia play. Keeping his success in mind I've got a good feeling about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxw71oxjxs

[IMPORTANT] Please Read.. Xperia HDMI Source Petition

We all know the sources for the HDMI are not relesed by Sony which makes it difficult for the developers to incorporate HDMI in their ROMs.. So this is a petition for Sony to release the sources for HDMI..
PLease Sign it.. And Hope for the best..
http://www.change.org/petitions/sony-release-the-sources-for-hdmi-for-xperia-2011-family
Edit: please respond here once you sign..

I signed it but we need a ton of signings to get them to give use what we need so plz people sign in and don't let Sony do what thay did with the x8 and put us in the corner. As well.
we could even help you Sony to make you line of phones rule over the like of HTC/sg3 so plz help us
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big jd said:
i signed it but we need a ton of signings to get them to give use what we need so plz people sign in and don't let sony do what thay did with the x8 and put us in the corner. As well.
We could even help you sony to make you line of phones rule over the like of htc/sg3 so plz help us
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Signed
Sent from my LT15i using xda premium

I really doubt that they would release hdmi source as this Proprietary source is not only used within their mobile devices but also in their other products like TV, walkman etc. But ok worth a shot lol! ;o

Signed!!!
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Seems like my phone useless without it when using custom room.

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Signed, I think it's hard for Sony to do it, it's all about proprietary thingies in the HDMI/DRM/CEC that make it takes time for Sony to do it, and for them, the 2011 line are done and doesn't worth spending time and resources on them and they're trying to focus on 2012 and 2013 lines...

Signed
Via Xperia Active

Done Signing!

Signed.
Sent from my Xperia Pro via XDA

Xajel said:
Signed, I think it's hard for Sony to do it, it's all about proprietary thingies in the HDMI/DRM/CEC that make it takes time for Sony to do it, and for them, the 2011 line are done and doesn't worth spending time and resources on them and they're trying to focus on 2012 and 2013 lines...
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Stop giving them bloody excuses!
Release the HDMI driver NOW Sony.
PS: signed.

signed too... but how many we did need?

paul5425 said:
Stop giving them bloody excuses!
Release the HDMI driver NOW Sony.
PS: signed.
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It's not an excuse it's the truth. It's just like asking Microsoft to release windows 7 source code. Meh!
Sony's HDMI has sources which communicates with it's propriety softwares named "xloud" & "Bravia". Releasing HDMI source would just make their inventions open to any developers. So it would just let for example samsung, sharp, LG use bravia & xloud on their devices/appliances. Which would have a very3x bad impact on sony as a company since it's their flagship softwares we're talking about.
In non technical explanation... It's just like giving your neighbors your WIFI's passphrase and letting them use it.

Riyal said:
It's not an excuse it's the truth. It's just like asking Microsoft to release windows 7 source code. Meh!
Sony's HDMI has sources which communicates with it's propriety softwares named "xloud" & "Bravia". Releasing HDMI source would just make their inventions open to any developers. So it would just let for example samsung, sharp, LG use bravia & xloud on their devices/appliances. Which would have a very3x bad impact on sony as a company since it's their flagship softwares we're talking about.
In non technical explanation... It's just like giving your neighbors your WIFI's passphrase and letting them use it.
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I think this needs some more in-depth technical clarification as to what is being asked here (this after all is meant to be a TECHNICAL site, so people here should be able to cope.
Now, perhaps I am getting confused here and talking about another issue entirely but, on the Pro at least, from what I can understand ROMs like Cyanogenmod do not support HDMI. Why does Cyanogenmod not support HDMI? Is it because Cynaogenmod have just been slow to make HDMI work, or is it that Sony do not provide the drivers, or is it because the Cynaogenmod team have some odd ideological stance concerning open-source software?
What I'm getting at here is surely Sony is providing some sort of pre-compiled binary driver to make the HDMI work? Surely we shouldn't actually need the source itself?
In summary, what I am trying to ask is what is the current status regarding general HDMI support available, and what advantages will having the source bring?

[Q] Xperia Z2 OmniROM

Hello guys
May i ask if OmniROM will ever make it to the Xperia Z2 (Sirius)?
Been missing it for ages now
Keep up the great work

mariotme said:
Hello guys
May i ask if OmniROM will ever make it to the Xperia Z2 (Sirius)?
Been missing it for ages now
Keep up the great work
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I normally just report device requests, but since I've done a lot of the Sony bringups:
I wanted a Z2. I really, really wanted one.
However I don't buy greymarket imports, and Sony refused to sell the Z2 in North America until after the Z3 was launched. Even now, the purchasing link is nearly impossible to find (it is not listed for sale anywhere on sonymobile.com)
Z3 is a possibility if it goes on sale unlocked in North America in a timely fashion. (Which is unlikely...) Z2 is a possibility if some maintainer picks it up, of course, but considering the device's successor is out now, that's pretty unlikely.

Entropy512 said:
I normally just report device requests, but since I've done a lot of the Sony bringups:
I wanted a Z2. I really, really wanted one.
However I don't buy greymarket imports, and Sony refused to sell the Z2 in North America until after the Z3 was launched. Even now, the purchasing link is nearly impossible to find (it is not listed for sale anywhere on sonymobile.com)
Z3 is a possibility if it goes on sale unlocked in North America in a timely fashion. (Which is unlikely...) Z2 is a possibility if some maintainer picks it up, of course, but considering the device's successor is out now, that's pretty unlikely.
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I totally understand Entropy512! Thanks for your input buddy. Appreciate all your efforts man. Keep it up :good:

Entropy512 said:
I wanted a Z2. I really, really wanted one.
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Thanks for your answer, yes that's the best smartphone I've ever got! Why the hell do they think they don't need to sell their devices in america??
As I know you are a major developer of OmniRom, I really hope you will be able to get an Xperia Z4, and hopefully port the ROM on it..
Thanks for your work!:good:

May I Taste said:
Thanks for your answer, yes that's the best smartphone I've ever got! Why the hell do they think they don't need to sell their devices in america??
As I know you are a major developer of OmniRom, I really hope you will be able to get an Xperia Z4, and hopefully port the ROM on it..
Thanks for your work!:good:
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I'll probably skip the Z4 thanks to Sony's crazy 6-month product cycle.
I have a Z3 but so far it's stock. This device is holding a record for the longest I've gone without root/unlocking the BL.
Sony did an awesome job with the stock firmware on the SIM-unlocked Z3.

Entropy512 said:
I'll probably skip the Z4 thanks to Sony's crazy 6-month product cycle.
I have a Z3 but so far it's stock. This device is holding a record for the longest I've gone without root/unlocking the BL.
Sony did an awesome job with the stock firmware on the SIM-unlocked Z3.
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Thanks for your kind answer and I can understand you. It seems however that the Z4 will now last for one year as flagship. Anyway I'll make sure to stay tuned if by chance you work on OmniROM for it.
Have a wonderful year, you and your whole family!

There some unofficial builds for the Sony Sirius floating around...
http://infectedbuilds.net/downloads/sirius/omni_lp/
From my very brief play with it, there's no Cam or NFC but everything else seems pretty useable.

A number of Omni team members are working with the Sony AOSP guys. Short-term it means a lot of things are broken that aren't in CM since Sony AOSP is reworking a bunch of stuff onto a newer unified kernel that will support a large variety of devices. Long-term it'll allow us to support more Sony devices with less effort.
I think one of the guys working this has a sirius... I forget who.

I just synced all the Omnirom repos and compiled for the Z2. It works ok, just no Camera, recovery and there seems to be a bug around internal storage, as it thinks there is no space left.
I'd be interested in helping to fix these things, I'm pretty comfortable using git and gerrit and know some Java and C++ but I have no idea where to start.
Code:
adb logcat | grep camera
- waiting for device -
E/CameraService( 373): Could not load camera HAL module
W/ResourcesManager( 1057): Asset path '/system/framework/com.google.android.camera2.jar' does not exist or contains no resources.
I/CameraManagerGlobal( 1057): getCameraService: Reconnecting to camera service
E/CameraService( 373): getCameraVendorTagDescriptor: camera hardware module doesn't exist
W/CameraManagerGlobal( 1057): Failed to set up vendor tags: The camera device is removable and has been disconnected from the Android device, or the camera service has shut down the connection due to a higher-priority access request for the camera device.
So I'd guess I'd have to find out why the camera HAL module can't be loaded?

mikeysteele said:
I just synced all the Omnirom repos and compiled for the Z2. It works ok, just no Camera, recovery and there seems to be a bug around internal storage, as it thinks there is no space left.
I'd be interested in helping to fix these things, I'm pretty comfortable using git and gerrit and know some Java and C++ but I have no idea where to start.
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adb logcat | grep camera
- waiting for device -
E/CameraService( 373): Could not load camera HAL module
W/ResourcesManager( 1057): Asset path '/system/framework/com.google.android.camera2.jar' does not exist or contains no resources.
I/CameraManagerGlobal( 1057): getCameraService: Reconnecting to camera service
E/CameraService( 373): getCameraVendorTagDescriptor: camera hardware module doesn't exist
W/CameraManagerGlobal( 1057): Failed to set up vendor tags: The camera device is removable and has been disconnected from the Android device, or the camera service has shut down the connection due to a higher-priority access request for the camera device.
So I'd guess I'd have to find out why the camera HAL module can't be loaded?
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Camera is far away from being supported. The blobs are completely missing, because they simply won't work with our kernel.
There's work being done, however a lot of it has to be done by someone within Sony and that results in stuff having to go through a legal approval process.
In theory it might be possible with some work to get 5.0 camera blobs working with a lot of kernel hacking, but most people are focusing on a cleaner approach that will take longer and unfortunately has dependencies on Sony's lawyers.

Entropy512 said:
Camera is far away from being supported. The blobs are completely missing, because they simply won't work with our kernel.
There's work being done, however a lot of it has to be done by someone within Sony and that results in stuff having to go through a legal approval process.
In theory it might be possible with some work to get 5.0 camera blobs working with a lot of kernel hacking, but most people are focusing on a cleaner approach that will take longer and unfortunately has dependencies on Sony's lawyers.
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Thanks for the update. I noticed there weren't any camera blobs in the source, so I assumed it wasn't as simple as just adding them in. I see on github the CM guys hacked their kernel to be able to use the old Jellybean camera blobs which looks painful. Hopefully Sony's lawyers aren't too obstructionist. Although to their credit the Sony stock rom isn't actually too bad. Nothing compared to Omni Rom though.

mikeysteele said:
Thanks for the update. I noticed there weren't any camera blobs in the source, so I assumed it wasn't as simple as just adding them in. I see on github the CM guys hacked their kernel to be able to use the old Jellybean camera blobs which looks painful. Hopefully Sony's lawyers aren't too obstructionist. Although to their credit the Sony stock rom isn't actually too bad. Nothing compared to Omni Rom though.
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Yeah. They used a kernel backcompat hack, and are using old 4.3 rhine blobs because those are the last ones that were completely 100% DRM-free.
DRM issues have caused all sorts of problems with rhine/shinano cameras ever since 4.4 - Workarounds for many of these have been found, but not all. But the kernel backcompat hacks would still be needed (potentially multiple hacks for each device supported by the Sony AOSP kernel) and that gets nasty.
So the current plan is to have a unified set of sensor drivers in the kernel, with blobs provided as part of the Sony AOSP project. However I think this is going to be easier said than done - it's not just Sony lawyers, but Qualcomm lawyers. It really sucks that the entirety of Qualcomm's mm-camera subsystem is proprietary and there's no way for an opensource developer to write modules for it, which prevents any of the community side of the Sony AOSP project from working on some things. Otherwise it would probably be not too difficult to replace Sony's noise reduction algorithm (likely with a better one... Sony's NR algorithm got slammed for being too aggressive and killing sharpness over in a dpreview review... All that DRM protection for something some people actually prefer to have gone.)
Edit: And yes, Sony's stock firmwares are amazing. My Z3 holds the record for longest I've ever owned a device without even bothering to root it.

Another thing, my phone is the China Mobile version (L50t) and OmniRom runs perfectly on it, I just have to change the radio and wlan firmware. I can supply the required files and be a tester if you wanted to add official support for this varient.

A Petition for sony to add Camera2 API support

THey guys i just created this petition for sony to add Camera2 API , in a Sony forum , Sony Xperia Staff stated that they will add this feature if there is a huge demand on it .
" we will consider this for the future if there is a popular demand "
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/td-p/974742
So i just created this petition to show the great demand of users , please share it all over xda
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobil...pport-to-xperia-smartphones?just_created=true
Thank you!

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I'm pretty sure a petition already exists

@muzab a
I looked everywhere i couldn't find one , now just share this one so we can reach thousands
Thank You

http://email.change.org/mpss/c/hQA/...YsbFj-2Fnr1tIwpy-2BPjoUzKExudIx-2BxnqUA-3D-3D
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Delete yr one and use this

This is something else , my petiotion is for Camera2 API , check the sony website they said they will support it if they find huge demand.
that petition has nothing to do with that

Guys please share it , just copy the link and post on other threads, we need to reach thousands so sony can see it and see the demand

Are you really that naive? Support for the device ended after ICS 4.0.4 and you really expect them to add support to Camera2 API (which by the way is an Lollipop feature)?

@RollingRoman uhh noobs again , this forum is for all sony devices and you can see it in any sony device forum , but for sure we only mean devices that are still in support

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Are you really that naive? Support for the device ended after ICS 4.0.4 and you really expect them to add support to Camera2 API (which by the way is an Lollipop feature)?
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Man..please, forgot about ended support 4.0.4, it's xperia 2011 series..... For that, hope that CM12 would release lollipop update with Camera2 API..
Now we're talking about the Z series (maybe T2 Ultra and C3 too) which got official lollipop update and yes, Camera2 API is a part of lollipop feature. We're hoping sony to release an update featured with Camera2 API and this is cross-sony device section.. So it means all "SONY" related thing is here.. sorry, no hard feeling no harshing.. PEACE NO WAR brother..

@daniLaLaLaLaLa Thank you

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Signed. I hope we succeed.I also wrote to Sony. Here is their answer:
Dear Mr. Tochev,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia Support.
With regards to your inquiry, we would like to inform you that Android™ 5.0 supports the new camera features via android.hardware.camera2, and Google™ defines three modes for the new camera features:
1.Legacy mode (no support RAW capture)
2.Limited mode (optional capability for RAW capture)
3.Full mode (optional capability for RAW capture)
Currently, Xperia™ supports Legacy mode in our Lollipop update which incorporate features and functionality in addition to our already renowned camera experience.
As always, we monitoring our customer expectations and regarding supporting taking pictures in RAW format, we will consider this for the future if there is a popular demand.
They write the exxact same thing everytime.We have to push them harder to succeed.

@BlAckXpeRia
Let's show them the demand

Actually i think its nothing more than scripted customer care reply...It will take a lot of work for them to incorporate camera 2 api in our devices and i don't think they will bother..maybe incorporate it in future devices or something.

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Let's show them the demand
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I think we did it! Look at the Z3+. It supports all manual functions exept RAW.

BlAckXpeRia said:
I think we did it! Look at the Z3+. It supports all manual functions exept RAW.
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''We did it'' one may say only when Sony pushes this API on all LP devices. Untill then, and i think they will keep it that way because they need to seel the new phone somehow, we should keep raising our voice, as it is not fair to have a damn good hardware that is ''ruined'' by lousy software. They need to enhance it ASAP in my opinion, or else Sony is risking a bad reputation going even worse...

bubimir13 said:
''We did it'' one may say only when Sony pushes this API on all LP devices. Untill then, and i think they will keep it that way because they need to seel the new phone somehow, we should keep raising our voice, as it is not fair to have a damn good hardware that is ''ruined'' by lousy software. They need to enhance it ASAP in my opinion, or else Sony is risking a bad reputation going even worse...
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I think it will come atleast for Z2 and Z3. They are really similar. But no matter what Sony does, I am stuck with them. I just can't get away from that beautiful design and software. All other manufactures have things I hate(LG-plastic, Samsung-software, nexus line and motorola- awful camera). My only problem with Sony is the new API. And they don't forget their devices-even the 2012 xperia z has lollipop and may get M.

Its not guaranteed to come to z3 or even z2, z1 and grampa z we can now easily forget since z has an expired 18 months period and z1 is close to expiration... Further on, LG G$ as it stands has way more superior camera then z3, Samsung is also investing hugely in marketing, and only thing Sony needs to do basically to survive is to a) improve software department, not so much the overall UI but software in camera for instance, it lags behind Samsung, Apple and LG as things stand, but they mosty use Sony's hardware, more limited one, so there is no objection for not handling software part more effectivley. and B) to improve customer relations, as we all know Sony is always lagging with announcments for new software features, heck they event dont know if the M2 or T3 are in plans for LP upgrade (which is lousy)!!!!
Onwards, remember the explanation provided for question wheter Sony will publish and software update for camera2 API or not, Sony gave as a bunch of c**p and basically told us ''oh, go f**k yourself with that'' masked in ''if there will be public demand we will then see...''
Of corse there is public demand, why wouldn't there be on since people always appreciate good featured updates. Look at Samsung, they are doing everything they can to fix camera things, publishing updates more oftenlly then Sony Social networks CM published something on either Social network used by Sony.