So I have had my Nook Color for about a year now. My wife had one and I decided I wanted one to root. I have been running with it rooted and got rather comfortable with it, I am stuck on Android I admit. Of course now I am having issues with the latest rooting so I am thinking "Hmm new Nook out maybe I should consider it"
So I am asking the community what is the real differences?
I know I could go online and read through 100 reviews all by different people who spend all their days with gadgets and I have no clue if they play with it the same way I do, and I am fairly certain they aren't going to hack it like I am.
So what do you think? Is it just a slightly updated Nook Color or is there more? What is making you excited that you couldn't nicely do with a rooted Nook Color? What do think will be lost in the transition? Also how long do you think it will take until there is a simple rooting solution?
Totally based on specs, the big differences are more internal memory (16GB vs. 8GB) and more CPU power (dual-core and faster clock speed). Oh, and I think the Nook Tablet does have a mic which is interesting if for no other reason than voice recognition-based input.
The screen size is the same, though I've read several articles saying the new screen is pretty gorgeous. I don't know if it's the same screen (the one on the Nook Color is no slacker!) and this is the first time some people have seen it, or if it's an improved display.
I have a TouchPad running CM7 and I believe it has the same dual-core CPU as the Nook Tablet (if not the same, it's very similar), and I can say that there's a significant difference between the two in terms of fluidity. Things scroll smoother, load faster, render faster, etc. I would assume the Nook Tablet would be similar.
So in the end it depends on what you do with your Nook. If you're primarily reading books on it and playing Angry Birds, you're not going to see much of a difference most likely. I'm pretty sure the browser is going to be MUCH smoother on the Nook Tablet, though, as is the overall experience.
I remember reading that the Nook Color will also be getting the same 1.4 stock firmware update that the Nook Tablet will have, so if you're a rooted stock guy, that's a good thing, and even if you're not it may mean an updated kernel and/or drivers for a smoother experience on the Nook Color similar to what happened when 1.2 was released.
So ultimately it comes down to whether a smoother experience on what will otherwise be similar hardware (physical dimensions and appearance, not internals) and software is worth $250 to you.
I've looked at the Nook Color and Nook Tablet side by side.
In my opinion the overclocked, rooted Nook Color is excellent.
Aside from the increased memory, microphone and faster processor, there isn't enough difference to warrant "side" grading (Not enough difference for me to call it an 'upgrade') to the Nook Tablet.
Bluetooth?
Does anyone know if the Nook Tablet has Bluetooth?
IMO, if money is an issue, buy a refurb nook color. If you have a problem with refurb stuff and would rather have a new one, spend the extra 50 bucks on the nook tablet. Some beefier internals for the money and will be more futureproof.
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Another consideration in my opinion is that ICS will come to the Tablet first. I have no inside info, it just makes sense that the devs will want to update the most advanced device first, unless of course there is no actual coding difference between the two.
The way pricing is dropping on the 10" tablets and with ICS coming I couldn't see paying $250 for a Nook Tablet that is a minor improvement over the rooted NC.
I recently picked up a new Xoom for $320 from BJ's that they were discontinuing, my recommendation is that if you can afford $250 to upgrade to the Nook Tablet throw in another $100 and go for one of the 10" tablets.
I got my Nook Tablet last night and have been using a rooted/CM7 Nook Color since launch, so to answer your questions:
1. It is *much* faster. Web browsing is light years faster, especially with sites that have a great deal of visual content.
2. Speaker is slightly better.
3. Has a microphone, which will be an answer to my Skype-based prayers.
4. Screen *is* better, but not enough better that I'd switch on that alone.
5. Rubberized bezel makes gripping a bit better.
6. Double the ram of the NC - will be important in later versions of Android.
7. 16gb storage...CAVEAT: you only get access to 1gb in stock rom. (rooting and CM7 or 8 will of course fix this)
8. It is noticeably lighter when the two are held at the same time.
The device appears to use the exact same charger/cable, and I have used them here interchangeably.
At the end of the day, it is the vastly increased speed that wins me over. Everything is faster from scrolling, to video playback (damn good), to web browsing. That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
Thanks goldenu. Having someone compare side by side is very helpful. I think for me I do some browsing and such but usually I use it to access picture files in Dropbox. I don't think that it will specifically be worth the money for me to up grade. I have rerooted my NC and hopefully will not repeat the mistakes that kept killing it for me. But really the main question is how will the Nook Tablet handle porn?
There is always a problem being responsible with your money but loving gadgets. Maybe I will win the lotto and I will just buy them all, maybe hang them all on the walls and create an app to make one giant touchscreen wallboard. Ok enough day dreaming and silly ideas
But what if one has neither? The NC has just gone back to $199, but there's some money involved in rooting and upclocking--if a 4gb SD or whatever isn't on hand. Which would you buy if not full geek capable, but not too dumb to follow good rebuild instructions? That $199 is looking good all over again, but I'm $poor.
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goldenu said:
I got my Nook Tablet last night and have been using a rooted/CM7 Nook Color since launch, so to answer your questions:
1. It is *much* faster. Web browsing is light years faster, especially with sites that have a great deal of visual content.
2. Speaker is slightly better.
3. Has a microphone, which will be an answer to my Skype-based prayers.
4. Screen *is* better, but not enough better that I'd switch on that alone.
5. Rubberized bezel makes gripping a bit better.
6. Double the ram of the NC - will be important in later versions of Android.
7. 16gb storage...CAVEAT: you only get access to 1gb in stock rom. (rooting and CM7 or 8 will of course fix this)
8. It is noticeably lighter when the two are held at the same time.
The device appears to use the exact same charger/cable, and I have used them here interchangeably.
At the end of the day, it is the vastly increased speed that wins me over. Everything is faster from scrolling, to video playback (damn good), to web browsing. That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
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Whoa! Thanks! THAT is what I've been needing someone to go into. Did I say Thanks?!! WaywardPilgrim, Evergreen Colo @7,500 and CHILLY!
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That said, I am *seriously* missing my CM7.
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So root it!!!! lol. Seriously though has anyone checked to see if CWM SD card will still work, if so I'd imagine its filesystem is still the same.
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So root it!!!! lol. Seriously though has anyone checked to see if CWM SD card will still work, if so I'd imagine its filesystem is still the same.
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No, it will not. Different kernel and processor.....
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I do not have or tried a NC Tablet. It sounds good....but if you want just a GREAT e-reader w/loads of Apps (Google Mkt), both B&N & Kindle, Flash 10.1, access to internet, great screen, ......No money? Buy a referb NC for $100+, then buy a N2A card for $35 and have fun. I bought a NC new for $147 (1 year ago, during one of theirB&B specials, + got 5% off by using a cash back CC, then got a N2A card and i'm in hog heaven.. Even bought my wife a refurb and N2A....same thing. GREAT "E-Reader" w/lots of goodies.
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Does anyone know if the Nook Tablet has Bluetooth?
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It does, but it is not activated on the nook interface.
I think it will be activated once we get a custom ROM for the NT.
My question is:
Does it still boot first from the MicroSD card?
I have no desire to root or run from internal memory any android OS, I absolutely love the un-brickable nature of the Nook Color.
I know off the bat an sd-install isn't happening, but if it boots from sd first there's nothing stopping it from eventually happening.
The un-brickable nature of the sd boot first option is the biggest draw for me, from a developer standpoint it makes a fantastic playground where you can explore whatever you want without consequence.
Having a device with better hardware specs will make development of ICS and forward software much nicer.
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My question is:
Does it still boot first from the MicroSD card?
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Yes, but so far it appears that the bootloader is locked down and will only accept signed images.
It it still very early in the game and only a couple people have poked at the bootloader so far so there is still hope that something can be achieved, but it's definitely a different set of problems than the Color ever had. No one has been able to root it yet either so that doesn't help either. I don't doubt that there are a number of very intelligent and determined people who are interested in the challenge though
Thanks for the quick reply.
That was all I needed to know to put this on my shopping list. Not sure when i'll pick one up, but it's definitely in my sights now.
Sooner or later we'll crack it open, as long as boot first from SD was worked into the model the rest is just a matter of time.
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......No money? Buy a referb NC for $100+, then buy a N2A card for $35 and have fun.....
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Roxors of NC's from B&N are $149 now, plus the $35 for the card you have to order is $184 plus shipping.
You can get a fully rooted NC off Craigs List for $170 all day long. I talked a guy down to $100 because he tried to dump a 3rd party power brick on me. Picked up a B&N brick, (and spare cable), for $27. Put the lame 2G PNY he had in it in my Fuze, put the Fuzes 8 in my phone, put my phones Sandisk 16 class 4 in the NC, made sure 8+1 works and haven't looked back. VV0o7!
The Tablet is now rooted....... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354487
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Hey Guys,
I just bought a new NT Saturday, it's still in the box. I've been reading a few post and I'm not sure but everyone seems to be having more fun with the NC. I went to get the NC originally but I'm a sucker for latest and greatest. I'm still not sure if it was the best choice. And oh yeah, I get one shot at this, the wife says " Make a choice and stick with it." Do you think the NT will receive the same attention as it's older brother. I'm the kind of user that likes my gadgets to do all that they can. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to post this under, seeing as I'm new to the XDA Developers community, but here goes nothing:
Has anyone else that has purchased an Kindle Fire been having second thoughts?
I think the main reason that I'm feeling this way is the whole thing feels sluggish, and the entire experience is frustrating. I did not buy the KF for a media consumption device; I bought it with the intention of rooting it, and having a $200 full-featured Android tablet, and having done so, something still feels off. It's extremely frustrating that I spent hours trying to get a custom wallpaper, and while I understand that it's a known-issue (So many threads made everyday...)
I played with my friends G2 today, which by no means is a new phone, and it (felt like), it kicked the KF's ass in speed. I just don't understand this at all. This (afaik) is a single core 800MHz device that feels more fluid than a 1GHz Dual Core. Is there something I'm missing?
Now, I'm new to Android, so I have absolutely no idea if this is a software issue that will get resolved (Honeycomb / Ice Cream Sandwich?), how long a wait that will be. (I understand that no one knows the answer to that.) Or... Is this just the hardware that $200 will buy you? I understand they're selling each KF at a loss, maybe I had higher expectations than I should have.
I noticed in a local Best Buy Black Friday ad, that the Acer Iconia 7" tablet will go on sale for $190, which has spurred thoughts of returning my KF, and purchasing the Iconia. Can anyone think of a good reason not to?
Please excuse my ignorance, I really am trying to learn something here. Will these issues improve with time, once custom ROMs start getting developed for the KF?
Thanks for reading. I appreciate any input, even if it's pointing out something I've missed. (Especially so.)
First off, welcome to the forums! and yeah, general is a pretty decent place for this sort of thing imo.
I think, if you're looking for a full featured android tablet for under $200, and are willing to brave the black friday madness to get it, then by all means, return your kindle and go for the Iconia. It's got better specs, cameras, honeycomb, etc - and lets face it, amazon designed the kindle to be just that, a kindle. Whatever android functionality we get past that should be looked at as a bonus to what was already there imo.
I've owned an asus transformer as my primary android tablet for close to 6months now, and got the kindle intending it to be mostly a device for media, so I was pleasantly surprised how well it did as an android tablet as well. I actually ended up falling in love with the size and ease of one-handed use of the 7" tablet, and am debating ditching the transformer and either going with just the kindle, or picking up a more powerful 7" tablet myself.
Don't get me wrong, I love the kindle and will definitely be hanging onto it - but one of the more main reasons I got it was it's integration to all of amazons media services.
I think you'll notice a considerable increase in speed and smoothness with the tegra 2 and more notably the 1gb of memory, especially if you root the iconia and install a more cut down rom.
The only thing I will say here is having used both the kindle and a 10" honeycomb tablet now... I'm not entirely sure how i'd like the honeycomb interface on a 7" tablet... it might almost feel too cluttered - but thats an ocd person with a very minimalist taste speaking.
Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
I've seen quite a few complains about sluggish performance but I honestly haven't seen any of that after rooting and switching to go launcher. There was some noticible slow downs changing orientation of the device or just simply scrolling throught the carousel when I was using the stock launcher but that seems to be all gone now. Ive been playing Pandora while surfing on opera with several tabs open haven't seen any lag at all. Maybe im not stressing my tablet enought? Idk what other ppl do on it but coming from an ipad 1 im very satisified with my purchase . ICS is suppose to have similar ram usage to GB so I think the 512 ram should be suffice atleast for my usage.
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Really appreciate the thought out reply.
I love the 7" form-factor myself; the only doubt that I'm having right now is battery life. It seems to be 5 hours of casual WiFi browsing, which is ridiculously low compared to the KF. The other features totally make it worth it. Mini-HDMI and Micro-SD would definitely be nice to have, as well as GPS? Jeez.
Edit: If I do return it, should I unroot it, is there a process to return it to factory settings?
Yeah, 5 hours battery life is a bit rough - although again to reference my experiences with the transformer, at least, a cut down Rom will likely help that a decent bit.
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If you return any tablet you've rooted by all mean unroot it. It not only helps if you get a clerk who knows what to look for (and refuses your return justifiably as rooting voids warranty) but also it's good form. It avoids "surprises" for whomever gets your tab afterwards.
Having owned the Iconia A100 for about 2 weeks before returning it (battery life, viewing angles, Acer possibly leaving tabs and lack of dev support) I must say it's a fine little tab. Only 8G internal but uSD offsets, 1GB RAM, quality build and reported ICS in January are real pluses. Price ($330) is steep but if you can get it on BF then do so.
Now that root has been achieved on the NT, it's blows the doors off the KF (specs, battery life, etc). Seriously look into it as a replacement for the KF.
BTW I would not count on HC or ICS for the KF. No reason for Amazon to do that as it doesn't add revenue to buying anything from Amazon. B&N only upped the NC to 2.2 Froyo after almost a year on 2.1 then stopped.
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Now that root has been achieved on the NT, it's blows the doors off the KF (specs, battery life, etc). Seriously look into it as a replacement for the KF.
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Do you have a link for NT root? I can't find it and I am holding off on buying one until I see what's possible on it.
I already own the HTC flyer referenced in my .sig and I don't think anything comes close to it speedwise since it has a 1.5 GHz single core processor. And I've played with the Dell streak 7 which is dual core 1 GHz. Since app so few apps can actually use the second core it feels slower by comparison. It has 512 memory like the KF and I think that's much of the reason it seems so much slower. I used the V6 whatever script by Zepp-somebody (as you can see I'm just horrible with names) from here on XDA and it made a big difference. So I'd guess the Fire would also benefit from tweaked minfrees and OOM settings also. Considering some of that 512 is given to video I think almost all lag is actually the Android OS moving things out of memory and killing apps to make room for the new app or the app you're returning to.
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I have to add that I tried quite a few devices before settling on my 7". I brought home a couple, the Iconia screen was just unacceptable period, the angle you will want to view it the most is the worst, every Iconia I've seen has this problem on both sides of the border. Not to mention not so great battery life although I did find it better than the reviews, and random FCs. I eventually settled on a Flyer and it's miles ahead of the Iconia, what a polished device, it just works, so smooth, has a really nice screen, and is solid built.
I'm here cause I'm looking at the KF myself for my kids, but it sounds like it will be more trouble than it's worth to get them working north of the border. I tried a Vox for a couple of days and it was just so buggy, slow and locked down.
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I already own the HTC flyer referenced in my .sig and I don't think anything comes close to it speedwise since it has a 1.5 GHz single core processor. And I've played with the Dell streak 7 which is dual core 1 GHz. Since app so few apps can actually use the second core it feels slower by comparison. It has 512 memory like the KF and I think that's much of the reason it seems so much slower. I used the V6 whatever script by Zepp-somebody (as you can see I'm just horrible with names) from here on XDA and it made a big difference. So I'd guess the Fire would also benefit from tweaked minfrees and OOM settings also. Considering some of that 512 is given to video I think almost all lag is actually the Android OS moving things out of memory and killing apps to make room for the new app or the app you're returning to.
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I also considered the Flyer when I bought the A100. The digitizer for note taking attracted me but not paying upwards to $70-80 for the pen. No HC was a turn-off with little hope of upgrade. That plus a couple articles spectulating HTC getting out of the tab business broke the deal for me. But I have read that the Flyer is a serviceable device indeed!
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sgood1971 said:
Do you have a link for NT root? I can't find it and I am holding off on buying one until I see what's possible on it.
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Sure. You'll need to be familiar with ADB (but then we all should).
Keep in mind the Search function is your friend!
To be completely honest, most of the things that I've noticed have performance issues are the Amazon-specific things -- the bottom buttons, the stock launcher, etc. In fact, everything else, now that I've rooted it, runs just fine even when I limit the processor to 600MHz per core.
I really am pretty sure the biggest performance thing is Amazon's modifications to the Android stuff. So, that *may* be fixed in upcoming updates. Or, heck, we'll just get a good custom rom sometime!
I've noticed intermittant sluggish performance only on Silk Browser. Using Opera Browser instead solves this and is much faster browsing experience.
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Sure. You'll need to be familiar with ADB (but then we all should).
Keep in mind the Search function is your friend!
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Thank you for the link. I did indeed use the search, I always do. Unfortunately my search-foo must have been weak indeed today.
Thanks again.
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Or, heck, we'll just get a good custom rom sometime!
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This. I'm thinking it won't be too long before they start the ROM game...or hoping. I wouldn't keep the fire with its stock interface; I also bought it as a tablet. That said, the thing has been out a WEEK and they've already made leaps and bounds. The thing was rooted in like 12 hours, they've got CWM on it (just can't navigate easily) and I think they'll work out the kinks and start romming. My hope is for CM9, myself.
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This. I'm thinking it won't be too long before they start the ROM game...or hoping. I wouldn't keep the fire with its stock interface; I also bought it as a tablet. That said, the thing has been out a WEEK and they've already made leaps and bounds. The thing was rooted in like 12 hours, they've got CWM on it (just can't navigate easily) and I think they'll work out the kinks and start romming. My hope is for CM9, myself.
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True enough but regardless keep your hopes and expectations realistic. Remember that this device was not designed to be an open android tablet. The overlay and mods from Amazon might be tough to completely delete or bypass. Could be wrong but even so it's a $200 device. It will only ever be that. Which is fine but it is what it is.
I own a flyer also and it is a great tablet. I also bought the Fire for what is was advertised for, media content from Amazon. I don't intend on rooting because I think it performs just fine as it is. For your kids, watching movies, games and reading, I think they would enjoy this 7 inch device.
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After going to Best Buy, and playing with the Iconia, it's re-affirmed my purchase in the KF. The display on the Iconia certainly leaves something to be desired.
I think I basically want a Galaxy Tab 7.0 at a $200 price point - not gonna happen, heh.
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After going to Best Buy, and playing with the Iconia, it's re-affirmed my purchase in the KF. The display on the Iconia certainly leaves something to be desired.
I think I basically want a Galaxy Tab 7.0 at a $200 price point - not gonna happen, heh.
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Good to know.. display on that was one thing i never really thought about. heh.
At this point, I have to say the Fire is a keeper for me. What put it over the edge was that I was able to sideload the ereader.com app and read my books in full screen (I have been using this site for ebooks for more than a decade and probably have 200+ books in that library). The ereader app won't let me unlock my books on my Archos Honeycomb tablet and my HTC Flyer on Gingerbread will unlock the books, but the app is the screen size of a phone and I can't figure out how to make it bigger.
The Fire is the only device I can stream Amazon Instant Video without stuttering and allows me to use Netflix and Hulu too.
I've managed to sideload my manga reader apps and some other apps I love.
I can't plug a hard drive in, but I can stream with my Go Flex satellite.
Surfing isn't any better than any other device I own (maybe a little bit slower), but I can live with it for the other benefits.
Still not giving up my other tablets though
Expecting a "full featured" tablet from a $200 tablet is silly. The Kindle wasn't built to be a rooted device, it wasn't built to do all the things that Android tablets can do (GPS, bluetooth, video/voice calling, etc), it was built to be a media consumption device and a reader. It does both of those things well, and anything else it can do is just extra goodness. If you need more storage, GPS, bluetooth, or any of those other features... I'd recommend going with another tablet. You'll be spending more, but you get what you pay for.
I am planning to pick up KF but I am debating if 512MB RAM compare to 1GB (Nook Tablet) will be enough.
KF will be used for browsing internet, light gaming and web streaming (not movies). It will be rooted and replaced with custom ROM (ICS) eventually.
I owned Nook Color running CM7 nightly right now and trying to avoid having two look a like device.
Do you think 512MB will be sufficient for KF to operate smoothly?
It runs fine for me, doing pretty much the same as what you want to use it for.
I hit some lag once in a while, but overall, I do like it - so long as I do NOT keep comparing it to my wifes iPad.
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I bought mine for web browsing, reading magazines and checking Facebook. So far, I am nothing less than pleased. It performs well, even when playing YouTube and Flash videos.
For the price, it's a winner, provided you don't expect it to perform like high-end Android devices or an iPad.
I bought both from Best Buy and used them for a little while before deciding which one to return. The difference in RAM was probably the biggest concern for me and the main reason I considered the Nook Tablet despite it costing $50 more.
In practice, I saw no difference in performance between the two. The only other big thing steering a lot of people toward the Nook is the microSD slot. If that isn't a concern then the Kindle Fire is fine. If you really want lots of local storage then the Nook is the only way to go.
Me, I listen to music through Pandora and I don't watch movies on the tablet, so local storage doesn't concern me. Thus I went with the cheaper Kindle Fire.
If you're wanting to do much outside of what comes with it and you're not too knowledgeable on how to fix things in unorthodox ways and think you'll be posting soon in the unbricking thread, I would find a more forgiving tablet to work with. The time you'll save on not having to fix things will offset any additional cost.
Disclaimer: I own 2 HP touchpads and no Kindle Fire.
Well I don't agree with yareally who has apparently not touched one yet.
I have 2, or more accurately, My wife has one and I have one.
Hers is stock... she loves it. Watches netflix, amazon prime and a number of books. works for her daily with no issues.
I got mine after I got her hers. Really didn't plan on getting one myself, however, I started playing with it and got the bug to see what it could do. $124 was too inexpensive to not.
Mine is rooted though I am still using the stock ROM as I am waiting for a proven recovery before trying something else. I am now using ADW, have the Android market, Google apps including Gmap and can even get GPS if i want to go to the trouble. etc... I use it a bit at work as well, Exchange email via Touchdown, Evernote, and lots of usable webapp browsing.
Like any device or smart phone, if you do dumb things, you get dumb results, but if you are careful and follow instructions well.. should be a fun device to play with.
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Well I don't agree with yareally who has apparently not touched one yet.
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I may not have touched one, but I've helped probably 70+ users with one directly to unbrick it and countless others that followed the guide I helped to start
Ironically, neither I or my friend that started the thread with me own a kindle fire, but it hasn't prevented us for knowing more about it than most.
I don't have to touch it to know how it works. I can do that quite well using adb shell remotely. Fancy user interfaces mean nothing. It's what is under the hood that matters.
Quite a few screwed it up installing cm7 as well.
Compared to other tablets, I have seen way more people screw their fire up without a way to get back out of it without spoon feeding directions to (including at times, going on teamviewer with them).
I think it is cool you have helped, especially that many people. Perhaps, the price point makes it too simple for people to dive in without bothering to understand what they are doing or reading the large red text warning them. (hence my comment about doing dumb things).
The lack of having a full recovery yet is perhaps also a stumbling block, but apparently that will be remedied soon.
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The lack of having a full recovery yet is perhaps also a stumbling block, but apparently that will be remedied soon.
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Yeah, I think once that happens, lots of the headaches will be a thing of the past as well.
Yeah, I think people bricking their Fire speaks more toward impatient people than any failings of the Fire. Anyone trying to install a custom rom at this point with anything other than above average skills needs to take a step back IMO.
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The 512MB RAM has not been a limitation for anything I've done with it, and that's *with* all the Amazon crap running at the same time, I've not disabled any of the services.
I think the micro SD card on the Nook would be a nice addition, but not sure it's $50 nice, considering how easy it is to stream to the Fire. If you needed to store your movies locally maybe.
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Yeah, I think people bricking their Fire speaks more toward impatient people than any failings of the Fire. Anyone trying to install a custom rom at this point with anything other than above average skills needs to take a step back IMO.
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I'm an above average user, and even I'm not crazy enough to mess with it too much right now! There are some amazing things going on in the Dev forum, and I really look forward to CM9 on my Fire.
I have 2 as well, and I'm more than happy with the speed/function even using stock kernel/ROM (albeit with a different launcher). The price point for this device was too hard to ignore. It's not in the same league as an iPad or Galaxy Tab, but I didn't buy it thinking it was.
Yeah with Go Launcher instead of that bookshelf, this is a superb bargain. Remember Amazon is basically selling these at cost to funnel people in to their store.
Thanks for the reply guys.
Only fools compare $199 KF to $499 Ipad.
Storage does not concern me, I just want a device that running smoothly for flash streaming and hackable
I have made up my mind, I am getting KF.
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I am planning to pick up KF but I am debating if 512MB RAM compare to 1GB (Nook Tablet) will be enough.
KF will be used for browsing internet, light gaming and web streaming (not movies). It will be rooted and replaced with custom ROM (ICS) eventually.
I owned Nook Color running CM7 nightly right now and trying to avoid having two look a like device.
Do you think 512MB will be sufficient for KF to operate smoothly?
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512 appears to be just fine.
I'd recommend putting Dolphin HD on for browsing. I haven't had an issue with streaming video from Amazon, Netflix, Crackle or Epic. No problems with games, so far. Currently have over 100 apps installed.
I do use an app to control too many apps starting automatically (Startup Cleaner), as it seems to help performance.
Update:
After owning KF for a couple of month, I can tell you that I am pretty happy with my purchase.
Now my KF running CM9 ICS
Thank you guys.
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Go for it
i bought mine because of the price and i liked the way it looked, so far i have rooted it and it still runs perfectly. So far the only difference i see between this and the ipad is the size and the camera. Its pretty darn fast and when its rooted you can customize almost every aspect about it.
I've been borrowing an iPad two and I really can't see the lure especially for the price. Could some of you guys say wether it's a good idea to pick up a nook ?
You can get them relatively cheaply on eBay and I love the idea of having cyanogen mod on a tablet.
I'm not so fussed about cameras and all that the iPad camera is horse **** anyway.
Interested to know what you guys think?
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I've been borrowing an iPad two and I really can't see the lure especially for the price. Could some of you guys say wether it's a good idea to pick up a nook ?
You can get them relatively cheaply on eBay and I love the idea of having cyanogen mod on a tablet.
I'm not so fussed about cameras and all that the iPad camera is horse **** anyway.
Interested to know what you guys think?
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Well, here's my 2 cents worth. I got my husband an iPad, the original one. We both already had Android phones. My kids got me my Nook Color for Christmas, at my request. I feel the iPad is so limited in how you interact with it. It has no proper file system, so if you want to put files onto it, they have to be associated with a certain app. My husband was hoping to use it to take pdfs and excel files with him to look at and edit at work. It's a huge hassle. Apps generally cost more, in my experience, on the iPad. There are possibly more accessories for the iPad, but they tend to cost more, too.
As for the Nook Color, I am very happy with it. I have a 16GB microSD card in it that I can boot into either CM7 or CM9 (Ice cream sandwich). Or, if I choose, I can boot into the original Nook OS. I ran a script to stop updates, and am at 1.3. So, I can boot into the Nook OS, read books, get freebies from B & N on Fridays, and read for an hour a day, in the store, any Nook book. Honestly, I spend most of my time booted into Android. I find my Nook runs much faster on Android. I sometimes have trouble tethering my Nook to my phone on the Nook OS, but generally it works better on Android. (I have rooted my HTC Evo 3D phone.) I can do just about anything on my Nook on Android that I can do on my Android phone, except make calls. The Nook TABLET actually has a mic on it, but there aren't as many hacks for it as there are for the Nook Color, yet. I think that someday we might be able to either use a USB mic or get a BT mic working on the Nook Color, but it's not certain. I personally like the apps better that are available on the Android market vs the apps in the Apple app store. And, my primary desktop is an iMac. I also dual boot both my aging laptop and my netbook to Windows and Linux.
Of course, you can totally replace the Nook OS by flashing Android to the onboard memory called emmc. If you have the proper microSD card, though, some people say the difference in speed is negligible. The onboard memory is actually 8GB of SanDisk flash memory.
If you decide to boot from a microSD card, read at least some of the thread linked below on choosing a microSD card. In general, the class 10 and even some class 6 cards do not work well when running the OS from them. I got a 16 GB SanDisk from Costco that says it's a SanDisk Mobile Ultra. It's benchmarks for both writing small files and large files are pretty good. And it was only $20.
I suggest you get a warranty for your Nook Color, wherever you get it. There is an ongoing problem with the charger cable going bad. And, though it is a micro USB cable, it is proprietary in the sense that it will only charge in the fast mode if you have one from B & N. If you have troubles, most people seem to be able to get one from either a B & N store or over the phone with their support, but only if under warranty. I got the 2 year warranty from B & N, which is $40. If you have to go buy a new cable, it comes with the AC charger and costs $24.95! Possibly your best bet is to buy one of the refurbed Nook Colors from B & N's ebay store. The current price is $149, with free shipping. It doesn't state, but I think they come with the standard 1 year warranty. I would check on that, though. And also ask it you can get the extended warranty for it. Though we have a warranty from Square Trade for our iPad, I wouldn't do it for the Nook. I think it's better to go through B & N because of the charging cable problem.
If you want to root your Nook Color and load Android into the memory, there are many threads telling you how to do that in the Developers sub-forum. Otherwise, here's some threads you might want to read:
Thread on choosing a microSD card
Thread on making a dual boot microSD card
How to keep your Nook from updating
Barnes and Noble has info at their "book clubs"
If you get a used one, and hope to use the Nook's own OS at all, be sure the seller deregisters the Nook, or you will have a hard time using it as a Nook.
When I bought mine for $250, it was the cheapest tablet at that pricepoint. Now that more powerful tablets are available for $250, I can't make that argument anymore. However, if you can get one for $150 or less, it's still a hell of a value.
If you're not interested in B&N content, there's no reason to bother with the B&N firmware. With a used device, warranty isn't in the picture. You might as well pick one up cheap, flash over whatever version of firmware you prefer (I recommend CM 7.2 RC0 Mirage) and start having fun with it.
I'm holding on to my NC until more options open up at the $250 mark, at which time, I'll probably dump it. If the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 Plus were $250 instead of $350, I'd jump today. In the meantime, the NC is doing just fine.
Wow thanks for all your replies! Very helpfull. I think they've got to be worth a shot for the price im seeing them.
When you say there is a problem with The charger is it with the adaptor itself or the NC's units micro female port?
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When I bought mine for $250, it was the cheapest tablet at that pricepoint. Now that more powerful tablets are available for $250, I can't make that argument anymore. However, if you can get one for $150 or less, it's still a hell of a value.
If you're not interested in B&N content, there's no reason to bother with the B&N firmware. With a used device, warranty isn't in the picture. You might as well pick one up cheap, flash over whatever version of firmware you prefer (I recommend CM 7.2 RC0 Mirage) and start having fun with it.
I'm holding on to my NC until more options open up at the $250 mark, at which time, I'll probably dump it. If the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 Plus were $250 instead of $350, I'd jump today. In the meantime, the NC is doing just fine.
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I agree with the your assessment. There are rumors of an Ausus 7" tablet coming out next quarter at $250.
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Wow thanks for all your replies! Very helpfull. I think they've got to be worth a shot for the price im seeing them.
When you say there is a problem with The charger is it with the adaptor itself or the NC's units micro female port?
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Neither. It's the "blinking" cable. From what I've heard, the micro USB end goes bad. There's an indicator light in that end of the cable. There has been speculation that it overheats the connector that then breaks or otherwise fails. I've only had mine since Christmas and have been fine so far. <crosses fingers; says a prayer> The bad thing is, the connector, while looking like a normal micro USB plug, is actually longer than others. If you don't have this longer one, it will only charge slowly...
my 2 cents
If you can get one for $150 I'd say go for it. Otherwise I'd hold off for a bit. There are supposed to be a whole slew of ICS tablets coming out soon.
My only gripes about my NC is that the single core processor struggles a bit even when overclocked, and the horrific Bluetooth range. Beyond that and for the price it certainly was an unbeatable deal when I got mine over a year ago.
As to the charging cable either I'm lucky or it's my incredible OCD when it comes to treating electronics gingerly, but I've not had an issue at all with it. I'm not sure a $40 warranty on a sub $200 dollar device that is pretty well outdated makes sense. If you are concerned about a potential cable failure you can do what many others have done and get a warranty replacement preemptively.
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i bought a refurb for my son for xmas - he's 5
however my wife, who has had her NC since last xmas wanted to see if she liked CM7 enough to commit (now she dual boots off sd card) so we bought his over the summer, figuring it would give her 6 months to "play with it" while I got it prepped for him.
as I was wrapping it up, I had it plugged in to charge (so it would work when he unwrapped it), cable got hooked around the chair and the whole thing pulled off the desk.
everything looked ok, but it always took a few tries to get it charging, then last week, it stopped charging.
swapped cables with hers, no go
So this weekend bought one from CL for $100, still wrapped in the plastic.
So I was pretty good with that.
HOWEVER if anyone knows of a step by step on getting these APART (I know some sites do "tear downs) I would love to try and fix this one.
I believe that the USB plug needs to be reseated/resoldered.
I just dont want to 'rip it up' if there is a more appropriate way of getting it open.
j
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so I guess what I was saying is, if you can live w/o the warranty CL is a great way to go
HOWEVER I do plan on digging around to see if his can get fixed via warranty (the other reason I dont want to rip it apart)
thanks
j
I will second (third?) the suggestions to try to find one for under $150. Heck, I think I've seen refurbs for $120-130 a couple times too. I got mine almost a year ago when they were first $200. It was totally worth it then, but there is now a lot more competition at that price point. Idk if it's because of the Touchpad fire sale or what (that also makes a great Android tablet, btw).
I don't miss the cameras either. Sometimes it would be nice to have GPS, but not a big deal. That said, CM makes these things GREAT. I mainly use mine for reading still, but it's capable for light web browsing, and is super portable for a tablet.
The Nook Color has been as cheap as $70 after cashback at overstock.com. I didn't get in at that price but I did pick up 9 for family @ $120 right after black friday.
I got mine when it first came out for $250 and haven't regretted it. That being said, last month I picked up a 10.1" lenovo K1 when it was on sale for $250 after instant discount and $30 off $150 coupon. I use my 10.1" a lot more than my nook now but still consider the nook an excellent value (it's a great device for anyone willing to take the time to get android on it).
$250 will be the new price point for android tablets. It will get harder and harder to sell them at $500 when there's so many cheap ones out there. The K1 is at $280 again but it's in store only and it'll be harder to apply the coupon.
Not sure if you're following, but it's actually $130 right now through B&N's ebay store:
http://slickdeals.net/f/3883756-NOO...r-for-129-99-Shipped-MANUFACTURER-REFURBISHED
Direct link is http://www.ebay.com/itm/170770105632?afepn=5335869999&campid=5335869999&PID=1225267
Well... here is my in depth post on the pros and cons of getting a Nook Color...
Well... where to start...
CONS:
The Nook is HEAVY - 500gramm sure weight a lot and comparing it to other 7" tablets it's the one that makes your hand fall off if you try to read for more than an hour...
It's lacking cameras and mics... and even bluetooth mics dont work properly with it at this point... so... thats a big con for me...
Even if taking pictures sucks on tablets... its just too damn comphy to get on Skype and have a Videotalk on there...
Sadly no Video on Nook, hell - not even normal phonecalls on it...
Work-In-Progress Android 4 being the last con in it... because its as the name said work in progress... you will encounter a whole bunch of things that dont work just right yet... if you dont mind stepping down to 2.3.7 Android though and thus missing out on Tablet-Optimizations Android 4 brings in then this might not apply to you however.
PROS:
The most awesome battery life you will ever see on a Android 7" Tablet... I was able to squeeze 10 hours of REAL use out of this tablet with the right settings... (turned down screen brightness, wifi off, etc.)
Sadly other devices range from the worst (2 hours) to the okay range (8 hours) - but ive never seen one top the nook in that part...
This is most likely thanks to efficiently picked hardware, software optimizations and the 4000mah battery it runs on (while other tablets range from 3000 to 3700mah).
Fast Charging will be the next PRO... most tablets use a normal USB Port to charge, thus being limited to 5V for charging... (Ramos W6HD for example)
The nook comes with a special cord and charger that allows for 13V charging... speeding the charging process up by more than two times.
A lot of merchandise available will be the final PRO to it - similiar to iPad & Co its easy to find a whole bunch of Nook gadgets to work with, be it that extra cool book case you're looking for or some nice anti-gloss foils for the screen, you will easily find those for the nook.
Not as easy on other tablets...
CONCLUSION:
Depending on what you want to do with the Tablet... whether you want the full Android 4 Tablet experience or not... and so on... you might be looking for something else...
Also... the price is another thing...
Previously the nook was the "cheap mans' tablet" - as tablets were expensive as hell...
However... you might be better off getting a Ainol Novo 7 Elf or Ainol Novo 7 Aurora...
By now, they are easily on par with the Nook... both price/value wise as well as feature wise... and last but not least they come with cams, mics and a proper Android 4 OS...
The only thing you would lose when going for the Novo Elf or Novo Aurora is 2 hours of battery runtime... giving you 8 hours instead of 10...
Last but not least, stay away from the Ramos W6HD... what looks like a good deal on the paper is broken by the awful battery runtime (4 hours).
I say... give all of those options a thought... try to get some info about the devices I just mentioned to you... and then just grab whatever you think best fits your daily needs.
If you get a used one, and hope to use the Nook's own OS at all, be sure the seller deregisters the Nook, or you will have a hard time using it as a Nook.
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I feel like this is all i have been good for lately, but you could always do a hard reboot in that situation. 8x restart with 'n', power and volume depressed. That gets you into the Nook OS, registering and navigating to the in-froyo Erase & Deregister option in the settings gets you a virgin Nook OS.
I have been messing with my system files a lot lately, so maybe a clean wipe isn't as big of a deal to me as to some other folks, but were the hard reboot better known, I think we would see fewer "Bricked! Help!" threads.
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More excellent advice I might look at saving and spending a bit more to get something decent, I'm a little late for the nook-mobile me reckon. Tablet world has moved fast.
It's not that simple
If you get a used one, and hope to use the Nook's own OS at all, be sure the seller deregisters the Nook, or you will have a hard time using it as a Nook.
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I feel like this is all i have been good for lately, but you could always do a hard reboot in that situation. 8x restart with 'n', power and volume depressed. That gets you into the Nook OS, registering and navigating to the in-froyo Erase & Deregister option in the settings gets you a virgin Nook OS.
I have been messing with my system files a lot lately, so maybe a clean wipe isn't as big of a deal to me as to some other folks, but were the hard reboot better known, I think we would see fewer "Bricked! Help!" threads.
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I bought another NC (used from Craigslist) a month ago and went through this exercise and what you suggest will indeed get the NC back to "factory fresh" state but if the previous owner didn't hit that "deregister" link while they were logged on to that NC prior to selling it to you, you will NOT be able to register it to your B&N account as it will show in the B&N system that the NC with that serial number is registered to the previous owner.
I spent at least an hour on three separate B&N chat sessions and at least 15 minutes on the phone with the B&N Support person to get that answer. The Support associate told me that since the original owner doesn't have the NC anymore they would have to call the 800 number and ask them to deregister that NC off of their B&N account before I could register it to my B&N account.
In my case the previous owner was kind enough to call that 800 number to do just that. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to register it with B&N on my account but it would still be fully functional with a custom ROM on it.
Well... for me its a easy decission really...
B&N doesn't operate in europe, I'm in europe, so it never was an option to begin with...
I got my Nook Color because at the time it was the cheapest way to get a properly working relyable tablet and so far I'm okay with it.
I get my books off drm-free bookstores in the internet, use FBReader to read them and Mango for my daily manga needs.
That and a whole bunch of IT Crowd Episodes + Animes help me stay a happy camper on my CM9 Nook Color.
The nook is great because its easily rootable. The screen is wonderful.
However.... I might be the only one who thinks this, but even with decent overclocking, android (cm7 AND cm9) is jumpy and laggy.
Hi All...
1st time poster on these boards. I have a tremendous amount of respect for all of you, especially the developers who've donated their time and efforts.
I just received my refurb Nook Color (which got the OTA last night to 1.4.2) and I have not done anything to it. Love it so far as a reader. Performance so far is OK but I'm used to my Droid Inc 2 which is very snappy.
I do plan to use CM7 on an SD card (8GB?). I HATE B&N's selection of Apps and hate even more that they're gauging by charging higher prices than the Android Market.
Here's the question: If you had the opportunity to swap the Nook Color for an 8GB Nook Tablet (without having to pay anything extra for the swap) and you were using CM7 (or whatever iteration is out at the time) on both, would you swap? Or would you keep the Color and pass on the Tablet? Why?
If using it as purely an eReader, jump on NT8G is a good decision.
If using it as "hacked" tablet, NT is still at alpha (or pre-alpha) stage for custom ROMs.
everything i've read and seen has pointed to the NookColor as a tablet/e-reader combo and the NookTablet as a simple e-reader with some tablet tendencies.
but as for your question, no...i would keep my NC...the development for it has yet to halt and there is so many things i can do to this device whereas the NT is so limited
Based on the replies...RIGHT NOW, it sounds like keeping the Nook Color is a better way to go rather than swapping it for the Tablet because so far more development has been done on the Nook Color than the Tablet. But from a hardware potential perspective, is the Tablet going to have great longevity and capabilities once the developers here and elsewhere are able to crack it like they have the Nook Color?
Hi fine folks on Xda....surely there are more opinions here. Not that I don't value and appreciate the two posts already on this thread but I sure would appreciate some more opinions, advice before I go forward and make this decision to swap my new NC for a 8GB NT.
I've read through so many of the threads on here and this is my understanding of the current status:
The 8GB Nook Tablet having an improved processor (and some say better screen) has a better overall hardware package than the aging Nook Color BUT the 8GB NT is not fully functional YET by sideloading CM7 while the NC is.
That it sounds like B&N is continually trying to (and suceeding) at limiting the use of the NT (esp the 8GB) for anything more than what they want you to and all within B&N's lame-ass walled city.
That the regular Nook Color is well vetted and thoroughly explored by the smart people here and elsewhere and thus far has greater capabilities as an Android Tablet.
That some of you are hard at work to crack the code here trying to figure out how to sideload the 8GB NT in order to make it as fully funtional an Adroid Tab as the NC. BUT because the NT (even the 8GB version) has better hardware, IF this puzzle gets figured out, it will ultimately be a more capable device than the NC, even if it's just a faster processor and the same amount of RAM.
That at this point, there is no known solution for the 8GB NT and as of now, it's basically just an e-reader.
As I'm new here.....I just don't know enough to know whether or not it's worth the gamble to pick up the 8GB NT because it has greater POTENTIAL to be a better android tab than the NC.
Incidentally, others on the Nook Tablet thread believe I should go with the Nook Tablet b/c of it's potential over the Color so it's interesting to see different opinions here than there.
Do you all more experienced folks believe that a solution is right around the corner?
Please weigh in. Thank you again.
Thanks to the OP for this thread. I am new to the development world and have yet to root/sideload/etc. anything. I have been researching a budget tablet to use and your thread was very helpful, if just a little sparse in info. so far.
I recently bought the 8GB Nook Tablet for $149 from Barnes & Nobles' ebay account. It just arrived yesterday, but I already have buyer remorse because of the research I've done so far. I'm beginning to think a Nook Color may have served my needs just as well (after rooting or using a ROM off a card), and would be cheaper.
Thanks to all those who contributed to this thread so far. OP, your rundown of NC vs 8GB NT was very helpful. It summarizes mostly what I've found so far on the subject.
For the same price, go for the Nook Tablet. It is better hardware and the reports that it is locked down are exaggerated. While it isn't completely unbrickable and as fully developed like the Nook Color it is already capable of being rooted or running bootable SD cards for CM7 (with CM9 in the works).
If you are getting the thing to tinker with, customize and learn how to hack then the Nook Color. Otherwise go for the Nook Tablet root it or throw a bootable CM7 SD card in it and have a faster better tablet.
JP
I have two Nook Colors, both running CM7 from SD card. Just got my son an 8GB tablet last weekend and also running CM7 (alpha final) on it. He seems to be happy with it so far. The only problem I have seen with it was running Pinball Arcade. I have this on my Color and most of the tables work well, but Funhouse (one of my favorite pinball machines) was a little slow and caused it to be hard to follow the ball motion. On the tablet, it was smooth, but both times I tried it the game crashed during play. Hopefully, CM7 development continues and this gets worked out. For the same price, I would probably take my chances on the Tablet. If it doesn't work out, I'm sure you could sell it and get most of your money back out of it.
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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It is a nice device. I have not used a Kindle Fire HD so don't know how it compares.
The HD+ has a locked bootloader, so it is difficult to put ROMs on internal memory. It has a system where if you change something on /system it will reset itself back to factory settings. But the devs have done a good job of hacking it and you can have it rooted and put gapps and any app you want on internal memory.
But the biggest advantage hackerwise is it has an SD slot and can be booted from SD, completely bypassing the stock ROM. And we already have a very mature CM10 on SD.
So from a hackers view, it is super.
Sent from my HD+ running CM10 on SD with XDA Premium
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I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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There is a CM10 coming soon thread that has been coming soon for a while now.
well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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AND, if you choose the stock root option developed by leapinlar and you want to return to absolute brand new stock, it is easy to do just by following the instructions for the 8 reboot. Good to know if you wish to sell it later (although I doubt if you will).
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
gunnyman said:
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Lol. Yes that was my problem. But I think I've got it figured out now. And loving it. I love the screen, and the speakers really aren't THAT bad, are they? Maybe I just have Lower standards than others who complain about them.
Yes, I agree, give the wife the kindle fire and get this device for yourself. The mucroSD card booting is the reason I bought it.... and the price didn't hurt either. I've got a friend at work who got the nexus 10 and he's jealous when I tell him all the cool things I'm doing with my HD+.
Sent from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ using Tapatalk HD
Loving the HD+. CM10 on SD card is evolving too such that much of the ROM is actually in memory now, so even faster. And CM10/10.1 is so feature loaded! And pull the SD out for a stock (or rooted sotck) experience (the reader on the HD is excellent). I've taken to using it for note taking by stylus and syncing via dropbox, its becoming an essential device for me! That said, I wish the charger/connector were uUSB, and teh dev community is working hard but is somewhat small so its not like you are going to get a lot of options. Accessorizing is a challenge too, but stuff is coming out...
I say bestow this KFHD on your wife for Valentines Day
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
CM10 or 10.1?
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
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Sounds like a good deal.
I think the update takes care of some lag issues, and you definitely won't see lag on cm10. Except perhaps when switching from Portrait to landscape but I think that's being worked on.
And yes, once you are running in cm10 all you have to do is remove the sd card, reboot and it Will boot into stock (or rooted stock, if that's what you're running) then when you're done in stock, put back in the SD card, reboot again, and magically back in cm10.
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I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I haven't actually run cm10.1 so can't speak too much on advantages/disadvantages of it, but I THINK the way it works is that cm10 is jelly Bean 4.1 and cm10.1 is jelly Bean 4.2.
If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure somebody will set me straight and we'll both learn something.
Sent using Tapatalk HD from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ running CM10 on SD
I'm jealous of the Fire HD's speakers, but the Nook HD+ has it beat in pretty much every other area, at least if you're not shy about rooting or banging together a CM10 SD card. And of course, for the price of a KFHD with no ads you can have a Nook HD+ and a 64GB SD card to put in it. I only noticed UI lag in the store models at Target before I got them online and updated them. As far as I can see, the first post-release update put any lag to bed, and the HD+ tested really well from the start in browser speed.
And personally, I'm a storage junkie. I have a lot of (digital) stuff, and the main point of a tablet for me is to have access to my stuff, not Amazon's or B&N's stuff. The stuff I want to view on a 9" screen takes up some space, and I would get cramped with 30-40GB available on my old Nook Color. Having 60-70GB to play with is just right. I probably would have snapped up a Nexus 7 a long time ago, or held out for a Nexus 10, if Google hadn't decided that expandable storage hurts consumers wittle bwains.
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
gunnyman said:
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
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The less you have the more you want!
I liked Android simplicity three years ago ... now CM 10.1 nightly is not enough to me
2 things that i think are pretty important; sometimes more important than the internals, on a tablet are screen and form factor. If you are going to be holding somthing in your hand and staring at it for extended time you want that to be enjoyable. I bought the Nook HD over other 7inch tablets based mostly on the great screen resolution/ppi and how light and comforable the HD feels in the hand. I have a Samgsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, but I hadly pick it up now having the HD.
I returned my kfhd today and got a 32 GB hd + so much better. Very easy to get gapps on it. Only annoyance is the white on white but I bet that gets fixed very soon.
The white on white thing is fixed. You can install a zip on this forum to fix it
I'm rather torn between the Nook HD and the Nexus 7. The fact I get vanilla Android with the Nexus is tempting but the better screen and expandable storage (either would be mostly running without the benefit of an Internet connection) makes the Nook equally tempting in a different way. Is the display that much better than the Nexus' to the point that it justifies a device that needs unlocking in order to meet my requirements?
In terms of video playback, how powerful is the HW acceleration support for the Nook? I'd want to feed it FHD videos to take advantage of the extra resolution and I don't want it choking.