I am not a benchmark testing fan (specially quadrant), but since this comparison was made with 2 devices out-of-the-box, and I was one of those doubting which one to purchase , I dont mind in this case to add also Quadrant benchmarks to help and try to erase my doubts:
EDIT (13 -nov) : I decided to remove that benchmark comparison till another more reliable benchmark test shows up*
Just vote and give your opinion, based on the user-level experience and/or general impression, specs etc....
I thing I am going for the Note which will soon enough get the ICS as well (not as native though)
What about you? Use the Poll, give you opinion, don't be shy
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*- For those who still want to have a look on the quadrant comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk0F07LG7mE
Till more reliable benchmark testing shows up........
I'm not the least bit surprised. The Exynos processor absolutely crushes everything out there; just look at how fast the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus is compared to the 10.1.
This is the main reason I'm going with the Note over the Nexus. The latter only has software going for it, and only for so long. The hardware simply doesn't compare, and the lack of a microSD card slot was the finishing blow for me.
Mecha2142 said:
I'm not the least bit surprised. The Exynos processor absolutely crushes everything out there; just look at how fast the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus is compared to the 10.1.
This is the main reason I'm going with the Note over the Nexus. The latter only has software going for it, and only for so long. The hardware simply doesn't compare, and the lack of a microSD card slot was the finishing blow for me.
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Hey..that was fast,,,,I just finished posting this
In the video the speaker points out the Nexus is a pre release version. I'm sure the final device will have a way better performance.
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True, but the Note is still superior in terms of hardware (SGX540 vs Mali is almost unfair), so there will still be some sort of noticeable disparity.
Keep in mind that I just dropped $710 on the Note, so I'll say anything to warp reality to my liking .
What do u expect when u post in galaxy note forum.
Would have a different result in galaxy nexus forum.
The 2 most imp things are
1. the size of the screen
2. how fast android updates will come to each handset.
1. Highly individual choice
2. nexus has upper hand.
The stuttering of the video on the Galaxy Nexus clearly shows in my opinion that this is not a production ready device. I don't think these tests say much.
Here's another gnexus quadrant test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOCletx2OJU
The result here is 3300 and something
drgopoos said:
What do u expect when u post in galaxy note forum.
Would have a different result in galaxy nexus forum.
The 2 most imp things are
1. the size of the screen
2. how fast android updates will come to each handset.
1. Highly individual choice
2. nexus has upper hand.
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+1 Wisely said.
As soon as I can get a T-MO USA friendly Note I will have one, As soon as the Prime is out I will have one of those as well I voted for both.
My guess is for the purely business related side of my life the Note will kill everything out there today, But my dev modding side will be happier with the Prime....... They both should be out by Xmas so I will update as soon as I have both to compare.
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As soon as I can get a T-MO USA friendly Note I will have one, As soon as the Prime is out I will have one of those as well I voted for both.
My guess is for the purely business related side of my life the Note will kill everything out there today, But my dev modding side will be happier with the Prime....... They both should be out by Xmas so I will update as soon as I have both to compare.
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So true... for developing, the gnex should be so exciting. But I don't think it will beat the productivity of the note.
appelflap said:
The stuttering of the video on the Galaxy Nexus clearly shows in my opinion that this is not a production ready device. I don't think these tests say much.
Here's another gnexus quadrant test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOCletx2OJU
The result here is 3300 and something
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I think you are a bit confused my friend.
The video you posted is about the older samsung devices and nothing to do with the Note and the Galaxy Nexus aka nexus prime.
And what the sgs1 is concerned, quadrant benchmarks means nothing...
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drgopoos said:
What do u expect when u post in galaxy note forum.
Would have a different result in galaxy nexus forum.
The 2 most imp things are
1. the size of the screen
2. how fast android updates will come to each handset.
1. Highly individual choice
2. nexus has upper hand.
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Right.....I think the Galaxy Nexus forum is still warming up, but I just started a thread over there, linking to this one.....let's see what happens...
Here in Holland the GNexus didnt hit the showrooms yet...
When it does, I will be testing the sound ( for music) just as I did with the Note and the sgs2...
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I got the Note and i orderd also the Nexus...but im sure that i will sell the Note because i dont want to wait 3 monthsore for ics and i like also that there are no Hardwarebuttons...but the Note ist a nice phone
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betoNL said:
I think you are a bit confused my friend.
The video you posted is about the older samsung devices and nothing to do with the Note and the Galaxy Nexus aka nexus prime.
And what the sgs1 is concerned, quadrant benchmarks means nothing...
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You are absolutely right. My bad! Still can't believe the gnexus has such a low quadrant score
Edit: Quadrant is absolutely not adequate to measure the Galaxy Nexus performance. Ice cream sandwich supports hardware accelaration by the GPU for butter smooth rendering of visual elements. This is turned on by default when a developer writes apps for ICS or higher, but has to be explicitly turned on when a developer targets a lower Android version.
As far as I know, Quadrant doesn't turn on hardware acceleration hence the tests are not relevant at all. (Although it will give an indication how apps will perform that don't make use of the hardware acceleration.
Righty then....
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343734
appelflap said:
You are absolutely right. My bad! Still can't believe the gnexus has such a low quadrant score
Edit: Quadrant is absolutely not adequate to measure the Galaxy Nexus performance. Ice cream sandwich supports hardware accelaration by the GPU for butter smooth rendering of visual elements. This is turned on by default when a developer writes apps for ICS or higher, but has to be explicitly turned on when a developer targets a lower Android version.
As far as I know, Quadrant doesn't turn on hardware acceleration hence the tests are not relevant at all. (Although it will give an indication how apps will perform that don't make use of the hardware acceleration.
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What? Hardware acceleration won't make a difference in any of those tests.
betoNL said:
Righty then....
First post edited, benchmark removed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343734
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Why? I think they are very interesting. It may be that the Galaxy Nexus will perform average on non optimized apps.
Dragooon123 said:
What? Hardware acceleration won't make a difference in any of those tests.
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Of course it will. Quadrant is measuring all kind of graphic performances right? Well if this is accelerated by the GPU on ICS and the test app doesn't use this acceleration it's an uneven fight.
See here for hardware acceleration support in ICS http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/11/android-40-graphics-and-animations.html?
betoNL said:
Right.....I think the Galaxy Nexus forum is still warming up, but I just started a thread over there, linking to this one.....let's see what happens...
Here in Holland the GNexus didnt hit the showrooms yet...
When it does, I will be testing the sound ( for music) just as I did with the Note and the sgs2...
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Hmmm.....Since I linked this thread to the GNexus forum, I see the Nexus is catching up...
Anyway since my experience with the sgs, I am not impressed with benchmarks, specially Quadrant...
I am probably going for the Note, but I will be testing the sound of the GNexus, the minute it hits the showrooms here in Holland.....and if its sound is as good as or even better than my sgs's (wolfson dac) ....that could change my mind....
But, man, I like the size of the note....as somebody wrote, it's not a smartphone, it;s not a tab, it's a super smartphone
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Of course it will. Quadrant is measuring all kind of graphic performances right? Well if this is accelerated by the GPU on ICS and the test app doesn't use this acceleration it's an uneven fight.
See here for hardware acceleration support in ICS http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/11/android-40-graphics-and-animations.html?
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Hardware acceleration is acceleration of 2D ui by rendering through GPU, all the 3d games and tests are already running through the GPU.
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I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
thanks
Dell Streak was a fairly unstable device with very little exposure, so it's adoption was much less. Samsung on the other hand is going out of it's way to advertise Galaxy Note, I am even starting to see TV ads when the device hasn't hit the market yet. Plus Note has a lot of similarity with Galaxy S2 in terms of internals, so it enjoys quite a lot of already established research and development. I mean we had a root and a custom recovery literally within the same week of its release.
I know of a few talented devs getting the device soon.
Dell Streak was a poorly advertised device. But a really good one.
Galaxy note on the other hand is a close relative of SGSII. so easier in terms of development.
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It probably won't get the same dev attention as say the nexus one or galaxy nexus, but personally I'm not too bothered about that. The note is a bit of a niche device. The Samsung apps specific to the Note look like they're pretty good already, and I believe Samsung are releasing APIs for the s-pen soon, and on the horizon is ICS with pen APIs built in.
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.
paulshields said:
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.
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And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
a) It's superior in almost every regard to the Galaxy Nexus (IMO)
b) It will get official ICS at some point
Regards,
Dave
rockky said:
I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
thanks
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When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. Samsung believes that most people would prefer to carry a Note than carry a large tablet plus small phone and I think they are right. Most people will be very happy with the Note, even if there is no development in forums, because it is such a great phone.
Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
rockky said:
Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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Note has a lot of crap running in its background, even then it manages to be on par or beat the Galaxy S2. Plus I believe it's software isn't properly optimized for that resolution. Time will fix these. Hardware wise, the Note is miles better than the Galaxy Nexus. Pure AOSP Android 4 should be absolutely faultless on the Note.
rockky said:
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave
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I agree, I didn't see anything particularly exceptional with the Galaxy Nexus, at least at the hardware level. Which is a pity, as it was going to be the natural replacement for my ageing but still brilliant Nexus One... The lack of an SD slot and no obvious availability here in the UK of the 32GB version was the final nail in the coffin. The Note is actually pretty powerful from a hardware perspective. I'm sure ICS will run extremely well on it. Coupled with confirmation that 64GB sd cards work fine in it, makes it a pretty powerful and capacious device .
There is root and I am a TouchWiz keeper, battery lasts longer than GS2, regular apps run, getting ICS - I guess I wouldn't be needing dev support.
Edited: And I am not super hungry for ICS at version 4.0, I can wait until 4.0.4 when ICS is finally super stable.
i'm just waiting for Cyanogenmod to make it's way over ... it IS coming, right...?
I feel your PAIN...
rockky said:
...I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device...because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
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Coming from the Dell Streak 5 myself, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I flashed as many ROMs as were available -- all TWO OF THEM!!
Amazingly, my son STILL USES my HD2 because it never gets OLD--he can change to a new ROM almost DAILY. There has to be about 82 million ROMs for that thing!
Now that I just picked up the SGN on Friday, I too am hoping the SGN will get that kind of love!!
Gaugerer said:
When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. .
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Quite right. With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore. At my work place every one seems to be carrying something really big.
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No love for Dell Streak
I completely understand how you feel, coming from the streak.
I got the streak in Oct last year, because 2.x was "coming soon". Gave up and did it myself in December. I'm still on 2.2.2, which is super stable for me.
I've looked at the SGS2, but that 4.3" screen is just too hard to get use to.
If someone in the states would offer the Note, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I'm not sure I want to get one from overseas...just yet. Bought several items from HK, but, nothing almost a grand in price.
...and I'm OK with that
drgopoos said:
...With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore...
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Me too!!! NOW, I don't have to feel OBLIGATED to let people FEEL UP my phone.
people don't wash their hands you know...
foxmeister said:
And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
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Well, the Tab 7 had lots of rommers basically modifying stock with some UI tweaks, and Technomancer doing a proper job with CM7. Nowhere near the likes of something like the Nexus One where lots of real development took place.
I can see lots of development of the Note in comparison, especially once Samsung drop the source. Even more activity once it moves to ICS. I think there are reasonably long legs in this device for devs to come on board.
I am concerned as well. Actually, this is the only reason why I have still not purchased the Galaxy Note.
Are there any good developers who have already promised to support this phone?
chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go
fards said:
chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go
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One of devs who I respect most.
I am sure anyone who has used dell streak knows it.
Damn the delivery from amazon. I thought u might get it today and work your magic.
hey guys,
so i'm looking to pick up a Galaxy Note in a few hours- done quite a bit of research as i've been very excited.
i just want to hear from people with first hand experience- if you owned a Galaxy S2 prior to the Note, was the leap really worth it? If so, why?
Thanks!
Kibosh3 said:
hey guys,
so i'm looking to pick up a Galaxy Note in a few hours- done quite a bit of research as i've been very excited.
i just want to hear from people with first hand experience- if you owned a Galaxy S2 prior to the Note, was the leap really worth it? If so, why?
Thanks!
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Do a search for S2 in this forum. You will find numerous threads comparing the Note to the S2. I have not read one post where someone was not happy they moved to the Note.
It is worth it. I upgraded today and I am not looking back. The Note is amazing!!! Love the HD screen. I just need to get a copy of the Netflix HD apk from the Razr.
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No its not.
I bought the note and its not compareable to the sgs2...
Its slower, for what reason ever (im using the lighting rom on [email protected],4ghz), if you load the same website on both for ex youtube desktop the note is much lagg a bit but much... even @ quadrant (I know its a bench but my sgs2 scores 4600 after 4months of useage the note 3400 out of the box...).
Maybe someday a custom rom will boost it up, but at the moment its ONLY BIGGER with a higher res bit greeny colorized display...
The pen is not correct
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnbvnBuLSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1spljliH8
Im going back.
^^ that's what i feared... any other opinions or experiences? both positive and negative
i'd like some confirmation on CM7 coming over to the Note, as i've had some good experience with those ROMS on my old devices making them much more responsive.
$500 over my SGS2 just doesn't seem to be justified for a 1" bigger screen and less responsiveness... decisions, decisons...
i don't have GS2 so i can't say that its worth to upgrading or not but my note is great i could not be happier . i don't see any s pen issue (i set on right hand writing ) if i set left hand writing and using right hand with s pen then it will look a bit off like on the youtube video. and lastly i don't notice any greeny colorize .
audino said:
No its not.
I bought the note and its not compareable to the sgs2...
Its slower, for what reason ever (im using the lighting rom on [email protected],4ghz), if you load the same website on both for ex youtube desktop the note is much lagg a bit but much... even @ quadrant (I know its a bench but my sgs2 scores 4600 after 4months of useage the note 3400 out of the box...).
Maybe someday a custom rom will boost it up, but at the moment its ONLY BIGGER with a higher res bit greeny colorized display...
The pen is not correct
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnbvnBuLSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1spljliH8
Im going back.
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Wait did you just compare an overclocked rommed galaxy s2 versus a stock note? okay yeah that didnt make sense
PolishDude said:
Wait did you just compare an overclocked rommed galaxy s2 versus a stock note? okay yeah that didnt make sense
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Yes and as I said in future some custom made rom may boost up the note but at the moment its not faster then the sgs2 and its not sure that many custom made rom will recive for the note...
For the pen I cna only say mine is like the one on youtube...
Im not the only one its german http://www.android-hilfe.de/samsung.../161894-kann-man-den-stift-kalibrieren-8.html but 8 site in few days...
Try drawing a innercircle from a dvd/cd and you will be able to check it.
audino said:
No its not.
I bought the note and its not compareable to the sgs2...
Its slower, for what reason ever (im using the lighting rom on [email protected],4ghz), if you load the same website on both for ex youtube desktop the note is much lagg a bit but much... even @ quadrant (I know its a bench but my sgs2 scores 4600 after 4months of useage the note 3400 out of the box...).
Maybe someday a custom rom will boost it up, but at the moment its ONLY BIGGER with a higher res bit greeny colorized display...
The pen is not correct
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnbvnBuLSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1spljliH8
Im going back.
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Recalibrate your pen...
Use a stock rom NOT overclocked and test both of them...
Edit:
Stock rom in SGS2 lol
audino said:
Yes and as I said in future some custom made rom may boost up the note but at the moment its not faster then the sgs2 and its not sure that many custom made rom will recive for the note...
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My tweaked SGSII is faster and smoother then my SGN, stock browser and desktop mainly. Still the SGSII is shelfed since I have my Note. SGSII actually looks to small to be usable.
I have a S2, I think its worth to upgrade. I love the larger screen.
I had to go back to the S2 for a few days because my Note's screen was faulty, and it is surely no torture to use the S2, it feels smooth.
But, the Note gives a dimension to mobile computing not comparable to smaller devices like the S2 or iPhone.
I don't care for the s-pen, maybe I'll find some use it besides impressing others...
If however, your main use is calling, maybe a smaller device is more suitable...
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zylor said:
Recalibrate your pen...
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There is no way to calibrate the pen...
I moved from sgs2 and it was very good move
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I love the Note. LOVE it.
That said it is significantly laggy compared to my SGs2.
I figured it would be with no mods initially...but its slower than I thought it'd be.
I compare them both clocked at 1400.
The difference is the lack of exynos processor I think.
You can bridge the gdap with Launcher pro (and loose the cool tW widgets)and put scrolling settings at top speed....along with Rom Manager Pro an XDA dudes app which scripts the OS to optimize memory and speed.
So yeah surprised and dissapointed in the screen responsiveness (specially after Engadgets review (has it faster than SGS2 in all benchmarks).
Whatever...developers should have it all stepped up in a month or two.
thanks for all the replies, fellas
i'm looking forward to what's in store for the Note in the near future...
rockky said:
I love the Note. LOVE it.
That said it is significantly laggy compared to my SGs2.
I figured it would be with no mods initially...but its slower than I thought it'd be.
I compare them both clocked at 1400.
The difference is the lack of exynos processor I think.
You can bridge the gdap with Launcher pro (and loose the cool tW widgets)and put scrolling settings at top speed....along with Rom Manager Pro an XDA dudes app which scripts the OS to optimize memory and speed.
So yeah surprised and dissapointed in the screen responsiveness (specially after Engadgets review (has it faster than SGS2 in all benchmarks).
Whatever...developers should have it all stepped up in a month or two.
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The galaxy note has the exynos processor, why do people think otherwise, i havent seen a single publication post otherwise.
I really like the note so far, those it is slightly laggy as others havee said
Useful video comparing the Note with the S2.
It's in Italian, but the video should still be easy to follow... Possibly a tiny bit more laggy on the Note in parts, but I don't see that being a long term issue. The hardware is definitely good enough. Really want to see ICS run on it. I suspect it'll fly.
An appearance of lagginess doesn't mean it's slower necessarily, right?
Could just be software inefficiencies, if I'm not wrong....
once development catches up, i'm sure it'll be on par at least
in any case, i ordered one today lol
thank you everyone for your input and opinions!
Well as 99% of you know the SIII has been launched, with a whole host of software features.
What are the chances of us getting some of these features? A couple that appeal to me are the Music Hub (newer less usless version) and the new dongle that mirror to the TV.
It'd be great to get these features.
(Could this be the reason ICS got delayed?)
We gets the hubs for music, movies and the others.
Faceunlock but if u close your eyes and the screen goes off this feature is only for sgs3 and the videofrature too.
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We'll never have them 'cause the s3 was "designed for humans" and the note was designed for aliens lol
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I would like to see the improved camera software for our Note, such as faster shutter speed (current speed annoys me compared to my SGS1 Epic 4G which has a super fast shutter) and 3.3 second between shots.
I'm very interested in the AllShare Cast wireless streaming dongle.
I can't see any reason it wouldn't be offered for the Note, or any modern Samsung device for that matter.
CreepyDroid said:
We'll never have them 'cause the s3 was "designed for humans" and the note was designed for aliens lol
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maybe not aliens.. but gods...
nah, just kiddin
Yes well get all of them....cept that really crappy sIII feature: that 4'8" screen.
CGI_Ram said:
I'm very interested in the AllShare Cast wireless streaming dongle.
I can't see any reason it wouldn't be offered for the Note, or any modern Samsung device for that matter.
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i really want wireless display mirroring too!
hope our NOTE meet the hardware requirement....
We will get all of them soon...Just give our devs couple of months
What about the Siri clone? You think we will get it?
Well, if we do get it (and im sure eventually in time it will be), the only thing that I'm pretty sure we won't ever get is NFC... (this is after all the International Note version thread), this needs the hardware part... which I'm pretty sure our Note lacks the better part of it as well.
I feel like a good chunk if not almost all of these features could be ported to our Notes. Seeing as they've said that the quad core Exynos is supposed to be pin for pin identical to the dual cores in the fact that they can be changed out without having to alter your design I'd have to think the whole setup is similar, but I'm just guessing. The biggest thing I've been wondering about is with the whole zero shutter lag. Is it possible to port or give our older phones this ability? I don't know if new hardware is physically required or if it's all software? If my Note could have zero shutter lag, or even much faster shutter speeds and ICS. I'm perfectly happy without the SIII.
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We will get all of them soon...Just give our devs couple of months
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Yup, that's true:
http://opendesign.blamesamsung.org
It would be interesting if they held the Note's ICS update back, so they can show off all the new features on their flagship first. Rather than the S3 announcement essentially being; 'Its got all the features of the Note but its smaller and has no SPen'
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It would be interesting if they held the Note's ICS update back, so they can show off all the new features on their flagship first. Rather than the S3 announcement essentially being; 'Its got all the features of the Note but its smaller and has no SPen'
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Whilst I'm not a fan of threads such as this (prefer waiting), you are likely on the money. With 3 million Notes sold and S3 launch, you don't want to steal the new arrivals thunder!
Nexus S ICS was on Google Employees handsets for ages before publically released as Google needed to get units of Galaxy Nexus shifted.
Any timeframe extension the inhouse devs might have been given to allow for the launch of the S3 (in developing ICS mainstream Samsung build, Note extras and other device specific extras for say S2 for example) can only be a good thing.
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I feel like a good chunk if not almost all of these features could be ported to our Notes. Seeing as they've said that the quad core Exynos is supposed to be pin for pin identical to the dual cores in the fact that they can be changed out without having to alter your design I'd have to think the whole setup is similar, but I'm just guessing. The biggest thing I've been wondering about is with the whole zero shutter lag. Is it possible to port or give our older phones this ability? I don't know if new hardware is physically required or if it's all software? If my Note could have zero shutter lag, or even much faster shutter speeds and ICS. I'm perfectly happy without the SIII.
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You stole the words right out of my mouth.
I personally feel that most of the features should be able to get ported, especially the new TouchWiz Launcher Nature UX. Its essentially got the ICS stock feel with a Widget tab while allowing transparency.
I am hoping to get the ROM ported with features from the note, mainly SMemo stuff over to the note, that would be a delight.
Good Luck Dev's
I am not really impressed with the SIII, I am not saying it's bad rather it's awesome and I would have wanted it on day one had I not had my GNote. 4.8 is still small and it feels awkward saying that.
Coming to your question, who knows it might all be the ICS Update, if not then in Note II definitely.
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This is what i posted in the main ICS thread & this is what I feel..
I think Galaxy note will get ICS updates inline with Galaxy S2 with the addition of premium suite. Both of them are previous years's model.
Galaxy note 2 & Galaxy S3 will have same feature set.
From business point of view if Galaxy note gets the features then Galaxy note 2 will be only a hardware upgrade. Well that wouldnt create the hype would it ?
Regarding porting to our note our devs will certainly turn the magic wheels....
I am leaning towards the PORT and not a Samsung Supported update due to the same reason of Productization and ensuring that the customer can differentiate between the Note and the SGS III, otherwise the Note will win with the features and screen size, but lacking the Quad Core.
I also feel with a complete ICS build running on the Note it probably won't be that much slower than the GSIII despite dual vs. quad. Heck people said it's the same GPU just overclocked right? As for Note 2 I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce some new features. Maybe HD SuperAMOLED+? Wasn't the Note the first Samsung phone to have the HD Screen, GLONASS, S-Pen, etc?
As for some of the new features my Droid Charge which is basically just Galaxy S hardware has the newer launcher, widgets, and some of the features from the Galaxy SII. So I think we could see stuff brought to our Note!!
I went ahead and updated my dad's old Note I to the 4.1.2 official leak, and then rooted it to use Tegra Overclock. I put the CPU at 1.6Ghz, and made sure Tegra Overclock saw it as stable. I then downloaded Benchmark Pi on both his Note and Note II. After several attempts, both the Note I and Note II averaged around 500+ on their scores.
The Note II is still at stock.
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I went ahead and updated my dad's old Note I to the 4.1.2 official leak, and then rooted it to use Tegra Overclock. I put the CPU at 1.6Ghz, and made sure Tegra Overclock saw it as stable. I then downloaded Benchmark Pi on both his Note and Note II. After several attempts, both the Note I and Note II averaged around 500+ on their scores.
The Note II is still at stock.
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I went ahead and updated my dad's old Note I to the 4.1.2 official leak, and then rooted it to use Tegra Overclock. I put the CPU at 1.6Ghz, and made sure Tegra Overclock saw it as stable. I then downloaded Benchmark Pi on both his Note and Note II. After several attempts, both the Note I and Note II averaged around 500+ on their scores.
The Note II is still at stock.
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Comparing with the old Note1, the Note2 has the same gpu, also the same cpu family, only overclocked.
This is most likely both has almost the same results.
Samsung just recycled old technologies to produce the Note2 and S3, which I did not like.
BTW, u said u used Tegrak Overclock on Note1 JB 4.1.2.
Details of the app says it only supports GB & ICS roms for Note1. Thx for letting us know it works on JB.
I should try this myself.
A quad core and a dual core makes quite a big difference imho - I may be wrong though.
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Comparing with the old Note1, the Note2 has the same gpu, also the same cpu family, only overclocked.
This is most likely both has almost the same results.
Samsung just recycled old technologies to produce the Note2 and S3, which I did not like.
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Note 2 is a next gen phone. Definitely its better than previous. The thing here is our note is still fighting with the newer gen, but i wont agree that both can have same performance.
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A quad core and a dual core makes quite a big difference imho - I may be wrong though.
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If I'm not mistaken, BenchmarkPi only tests the speed of one core. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
The last update of BenchmarkPi was 2009. I'm pretty sure most android devices only single core processors at that time.
So if both have the same processor and clock speed, the number of cores doesn't matter.
My GF has the S3 (also quad core) and too be honest it isnt much better than my note, sure its obviously more powerful, but it still lags now and then, games on my note run just as smooth as they do on the S3, although 3d cpu intensive games will probably out perform my Note, but hey, thats why i have a ps3 and xbox.
all in all the note will be slightly better, but it most definitely isnt a worthy upgrade from the note 1.
the note 3 is the phone to look out for !
display
display wise, i will definitely choose galaxy note 2, but for the design, i will always choose note 1 anyday
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My GF has the S3 (also quad core) and too be honest it isnt much better than my note, sure its obviously more powerful, but it still lags now and then, games on my note run just as smooth as they do on the S3, although 3d cpu intensive games will probably out perform my Note, but hey, thats why i have a ps3 and xbox.
all in all the note will be slightly better, but it most definitely isnt a worthy upgrade from the note 1.
the note 3 is the phone to look out for !
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Thats a true comment....i have somewhat same observations....plus note 1 display looks much more better than s3
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Seriously? I went to AT&T store to check out Note 2, and taking photo's were even very fast compared to Note 1. I would call that a huge difference. Opening web browser and typing something in, then when done loading, try open another tab, go back to your original tab, zoom in, zoom out, pan, task switching, going into different menus in system settings, and go back and fourth. I immediately felt the difference in speed and responsiveness. The dialer is at least twice faster than the Note 1 too. (Note 1 takes about 2-4 seconds to load which is slower than any dumb phone.)
My Note 1 is ICS XXLRT (latest ICS) with most junk (social stuff) removed. I feel my Note is slow, but I'll try to use it for one more year.
I agree but most things you say are long known problems of ICS, present in every device with that version no matter the hardware (especially the dialer/contacts one). I tell you this cause my previous - now, app testing - phone was a Nexus S and even it is faster than the Note opening those phone functions.
This things will surely improve with official JB. Other than that, Note2 will always be slightly smoother but won't see much differences (and forget the benchmarks: quad cores are not a huge improvement over dual, another common mistake)
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display wise, i will definitely choose galaxy note 2, but for the design, i will always choose note 1 anyday
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Actually I find the Note's screen better than the Note 2...
Resolution wise... Just a bit larger resolution on the Note compared to the Note 2, but hey, the more pixels the better!!! :laugh:
I will definitely wait for the Note 3, which has been rumored on CES by the way!
Here: http://androids.ac/W0EFVH
I finally decided to upgrade to the Note 2 after being on the fence for a long time, just as many of you may have been. In fact, I just received the Note 2 (international unlocked version) yesterday night, and played around with it for about 2 hours.
In my mind, the upgrade is completely worth it, assuming you have the money, of course. If not, then the Note I is still a very serviceable phone, but I decided that the larger battery, LED notification light, better CPU, ability to take out the microSD card without removing the battery, no EMMC bug, and double the RAM all make it worth the money to upgrade, for me. YMMV, of course. I admit that I do prefer the physical build of the Note 1 over the Note 2, but to be honest, that is just a matter of personal aesthetics, and I doubt I will really care about that after a few months of using the Note 2.
I primarily had some reservations about the slightly lower resolution and the 16:9 aspect ratio of the GN2 compared to the original Note, but after having compared them side-to-side, the extremely small size I'm losing width-wise is more than made up for the rather significant increase length-wise. The only thing that I'm sort of disappointed about is the fact that I'll have to buy a new MHL adapter, since the Note 1 adapter does not work with the GN2.
+1 still on note1
waiting for note3 or s4
I don't know who is lying to themselves but after installing the leak and coming from a gs3 the note 1 lags way to much on JB!!!
Now its back on ICS and seems fine. The extra two cores and higher clocked GPU make the difference.
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My note 1 will afford me the ability to wait for the note 3. And even then I'll wait for it to go down in price first.
AW: Note I vs. Note II
If you own the Not1 you need not necessarily the Note2. I'm also on the Note3.
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DPMAce said:
My note 1 will afford me the ability to wait for the note 3. And even then I'll wait for it to go down in price first.
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I just compared note and note 2 in my local tech store. My note is running leaked LSA 4.1.2 and the note 2 at the store, was running jb 4.1.1.
I have to say, that there isn't that much difference, when both are running official JB, imo. Note 2 is snappier, but only little. Also my note's JB is still a leaked version.There might come improvements, when the official JB comes out for our note.
That said, I can easily wait for note 3, 'cause Samsung gives this great update for older note too and at the same time, it's packed with all the neat features, that note 2 has.
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Even then the only real HOLY sh!t factor I think is the camera at 13mp
the real catch I want from samsung is to innovate the god dam battery , somehow include a screen that can re-capture light energy ala solar panel
Right now I'm rocking the note1 with an extended brick battery from seidio to get through one day of work.
FYI I'm on Governor restricted cpu of 1ghz , and it's conservative mode
I bought the note 3 to replace the note 2.
I have not yet sold the note 2 and have been testing both phones simultaneously to determine for myself if the upgrade is worth it.
Note 2 setup: stock ( leaked android 4.3) , a few apps installed
Note 3 setup: stock (Android 4.3), same apps as installed on note 2
Benchmarks Apps:
Note 3 beats Note 2 in all I have tried.
Real world use/Apps:
I have run several applications (multiple times ). Some are .....
Browers: chrome, default browser,
Snote
Gmail
Youtube
Speedtest
maps
Camera
Google now
etc...
In several cases, the note 2 is slightly faster than note 3 ( yes, this is not a typo)
Not by much...... but note 2 in "real world use/applications" seems ever so slightly faster than note 3.
In multi-tasking/split window, I run CPU-Z side by side with the chrome browser.
This was to monitor the 4 cpu cores during browser benchmarks.
I tried the following browser benchmark tests....
1. browsermark - rightware.com
2. sunspider
In both tests, the note 2 out-performed the note 3. -----------update: {may have been due to thermal throtling}
I have searched the net and surprisingly, no one else seems to have noticed/reported this.
Can someone else with both phones verify this?
note 3: SM-N900 ( 1.9Ghz) - Octa-core
note 2: GT-N7100 (1.6Ghz) - Quad-core
Update:
I've run the online browser benchmarks a couple more times after some hours of rest.
Sunspider 1.0 scores {firefox}:
note 2: [ 664.4ms]........note 3: [ 414.8ms]
Benchmarks are consistently showing note 3 as faster than note 2.
Real world use shows little to no difference.
I don't think that a few seconds make a difference between two smartphones as daily driver. So I don't think the note 3 is worth the upgrade at least for what I heard. Thanks for sharing!
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I dont have the Note 3, but I have just seen a video of the "famous" LG G2, with the S800, running some top games with FPS meter enabled, and I'm proud to say than my "old" Note 2 has the same performance, and in some games is even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16TAbUkAHlU
Benchmarks are the most useless thing that happened to mobile phones. And you can prove it with your own Note 2. Flash an AOSP rom and run a benchmark like 3DMark, you'll get a better result than in stock TouchWiz. So, this means that games should run better on AOSP, right? Then run some game. They will lag WAY more on AOSP roms than in stock roms. Benchmarks aren't a good indicator of anything.
In conclusion, I think phone specs are evolving, that's for sure, but the improvement between generations, like Note 2 -> Note 3, are little in terms of performance, it's not worth the huge amount of money they cost.
Maybe most apps are optimized for 720p rather than 1080p.
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Very interesting. I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the world to catch on to this... or if they ever will?
Thats so interesting. .I wouldnt ever expect that and first time hearing it. No i feel a sense to apprach note 3 performance suspected.
If you proove this with a video screenshots and some benchmark test you would do a revolution i guess..
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More and more I believe that with top of the line smartphones like these, upgrading is necessary only every two years. I had the S2 before this and it's really when I began to feel the slouch in newer games that I decided to upgrade.
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I dont have the Note 3, but I have just seen a video of the "famous" LG G2, with the S800, running some top games with FPS meter enabled, and I'm proud to say than my "old" Note 2 has the same performance, and in some games is even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16TAbUkAHlU
Benchmarks are the most useless thing that happened to mobile phones. And you can prove it with your own Note 2. Flash an AOSP rom and run a benchmark like 3DMark, you'll get a better result than in stock TouchWiz. So, this means that games should run better on AOSP, right? Then run some game. They will lag WAY more on AOSP roms than in stock roms. Benchmarks aren't a good indicator of anything.
In conclusion, I think phone specs are evolving, that's for sure, but the improvement between generations, like Note 2 -> Note 3, are little in terms of performance, it's not worth the huge amount of money they cost.
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I have stored worrying about benchmarks because all people say is the phones cheat the score. I would rather see just see real world performance. And like a PC a higher clock speed and more cores does not mean better performance.
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note 2 to 3 not compelling upgrade
very useful, thanks.
I was considering upgrading when Note 3 prices fall, maybe early 2014. But now I am far from sure especially with Samsung's stupid region locking.
Reasons to upgrade:
IR emitter for TV remote control. Vaguely useful, perhaps in bars and restaurants when their TVs are turned up too loud so's I can turn them off or down!
USB3. Possible good for faster charging off computer and occasionally dumping in a load of music files.
802.11ac. Maybe I'll upgrade one day at home?
Display. Reports suggest it's easier to read outdoors.
Reasons I was considering not upgrading:
Note2 can support all the note3 software. We just have to wait for Samsung to release it. Or androiders to kang the note3 rom.
Am happy with 720p display. I have quite good eyesight, with corrected vision (short sighted) and I never feel my Note2 needs more pixels on the screen. A better sensor in the camera for low light would be nice but the camera is good for casual shots.
Camera already good enough.
NFC antenna. I like the NFC antenna not being part of the battery so I can use Anker third party battery which gives as good as OEM battery.
S-Pen already good enough fine. I got used to the only minor nuisance that the off-screen capacitive buttons couldn't sense the pen.
CPU already fast enough.
802.11ac wifi. I don't have anything which supports super high speed wifi. I'd end up buying an 11ac access point, then would want to upgrade my laptop wifi card too.
Besides, 802.11a/n is faster than my broadband at home. And at work we don't even have 802.11a.
I too have the Note 2 (international) and the AT&T Note 3... I can say that if you don't have an upgrade available it definitely IS NOT worth paying full retail price for the phone. I signed a new 2 year agreement to get it for $288.88 and I can turn around and sell my Note 2 for $350-400 easily making my money back...
The pros with the Note 3 are that the screen is absolutely beautiful! Besides the S4 this is the most amazing screen I have ever seen with my own eyes. Next, comes the software. There's a lot of new small changes that make things easier to use, however most of these things will be coming to a Note 2 via an update. If you're into aesthetics then this device looks more "premium" over a Note 2 and I almost don't want to cover it with a case.
As far as performance goes, you can notice it slightly. Apps open faster, but it could be due to the increase in screen sensitivity also. TouchWiz eats up over 1 gig of ram leaving a little more than 1 gig free for user apps. On my note 2 with my custom rom I would use about 600mb of ram leaving a litle more than 1 gig free also. No improvements here.
Some buggy things I've noticed so far is that my text vibration is very weak compared to others such as email. Also every app gives me a vibration alert even if I turned it off.
There's a lot of bloat on here even for a carrier phone. Most of it is from Samsung it seems.
Besides the few "pros" I see with the Note 3, I would not recommend anyone to purchase it over a Note 2 unless you have an upgrade you can use. Especially an AT&T one with a locked bootloader, which forces you to keep all these useless apps running on your phone.
LDDR3 and USB3 better than note2
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LDDR3 and USB3 better than note2
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is it real world performance?
i dont know what is real world performance.but
when i playing flac music and browsing pictures,note2 get lags.
with leaked 4.3
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Leaked 4.3 is not final. Also I hope you flashed Wanam or such 4.3 based ROMs, not just 4.3 as it is. Either way pretty sure it's Touchwizlag.
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I too have the Note 2 (international) and the AT&T Note 3... I can say that if you don't have an upgrade available it definitely IS NOT worth paying full retail price for the phone. I signed a new 2 year agreement to get it for $288.88 and I can turn around and sell my Note 2 for $350-400 easily making my money back...
The pros with the Note 3 are that the screen is absolutely beautiful! Besides the S4 this is the most amazing screen I have ever seen with my own eyes. Next, comes the software. There's a lot of new small changes that make things easier to use, however most of these things will be coming to a Note 2 via an update. If you're into aesthetics then this device looks more "premium" over a Note 2 and I almost don't want to cover it with a case.
As far as performance goes, you can notice it slightly. Apps open faster, but it could be due to the increase in screen sensitivity also. TouchWiz eats up over 1 gig of ram leaving a little more than 1 gig free for user apps. On my note 2 with my custom rom I would use about 600mb of ram leaving a litle more than 1 gig free also. No improvements here.
Some buggy things I've noticed so far is that my text vibration is very weak compared to others such as email. Also every app gives me a vibration alert even if I turned it off.
There's a lot of bloat on here even for a carrier phone. Most of it is from Samsung it seems.
Besides the few "pros" I see with the Note 3, I would not recommend anyone to purchase it over a Note 2 unless you have an upgrade you can use. Especially an AT&T one with a locked bootloader, which forces you to keep all these useless apps running on your phone.
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this very well note 3, but I see exorbitant price
There is nothing worth here to give up $450 to trade in my Note II ($850-$400), mine is so fast and so optimised for my needs that will skip the Note 3 for the next one, for me that's the end of the story.
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i dont know what is real world performance.but
when i playing flac music and browsing pictures,note2 get lags.
with leaked 4.3
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Note 3 lags too (stutters ) when ......
playing flac: (44khz, 16bit, 23.35mb) and browsing pictures ( gallery, slideshow )
After 4.3 leak install, my note 2 doesn't have any microlag.
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Note 3 lags too (stutters ) when ......
playing flac: (44khz, 16bit, 23.35mb) and browsing pictures ( gallery, slideshow )
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what player are you using for playing flac?
if i may ask
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what player are you using for playing flac?
if i may ask
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the default music player