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It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
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It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
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This time I agree with them, but what they writes better not to read. Look only tests results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56587777&postcount=17
Dynamic range (higher is better)
htc one m8 93.9
galaxy s6 91.9
Noise level (higher is better)
htc one m8 -94.9
galaxy s6 -92.6
Stereo Crosstalk (higher is better)
galaxy s6 -83.4
htc one (m8) -79.7
Smoother green line is better
galaxy s6
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2 points difference in dinamic range or noise level means for me nothing considering that stereo crosstalk is now the best for any phone.
Samsung with snapdragon had prapund -55 and now we have -83. The days with the sound delivered in the center of our head ar gone, now we have space in music!
So happy to see this. I still don't understand for the life in me why Samsung devices always have low volume output through headphones. Its very annoying in the gym.
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I was going to post the same.
Just for reference, dB is more like a logarithmic scale. It means 70 dB intensity is 10x more than 60 dB. Similarly 80 dB intensity is 10x more than 70 dB.
The difference here is 5.4 dB. This means that the actual sound intensity is increased by 3.46 times. For quick calculation of difference in sound intensity from dB:
- Find the difference (which is 75.9 - 70.5 = 5.4)
- Divide this by 10 (5.4/10 = 0.54)
- Find the base 10 antilog of 0.54 (use this antilog calculator link, which is 3.46 times)
And somehow GSMArena found S6 to be quieter than S5
The loudspeaker is average in loudness and quieter than the Galaxy S5
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So happy to see this. I still don't understand for the life in me why Samsung devices always have low volume output through headphones. Its very annoying in the gym.
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maybe cheap earbuds or possibly need some ear cleaning?
my S4 i rarely go past 60-70% while at the gym and it's more than loud for me. i don't like taking my earbuds off and hearing my ears ring afterwards.. it's no wonder people seem to be going deaf these days..
Gsmarena has found that speaker loudness is worst than s5, not the headphone volume...
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Gsmarena has found that speaker loudness is worst than s5, not the headphone volume...
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And they have already been proven wrong a few times. Their review sucked
calinormy said:
It seems that we have a winner for audiophile headphones listeners...gsm arena has confirmed in audio quality test that S6 is better than last year htc m8. One drawback is the volume levels ( this is samsung registered trademark) but this is easely resolved by adding an external amplifier or by rooting and modify the volume levels.
I'm waiting for real world reviewers!!
P.S. exynox + wolfston was always a winner in this category and it seems that this time Samsung has a winner...
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do u still listen to music from ur phone with the built in audio jack? like seriously? -_-
there are quite affordable audio AMPs and DACs combos available these days, and they DO make a difference. why not get the portable ones and use them to power ur music?
thats the dilemma, people are ready to spend like US $800 on a phone but cant buy a US $50 audio device to power their music and call them selves, "AUDIOPHILE"....
*SMH*
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do u still listen to music from ur phone with the built in audio jack? like seriously? -_-
there are quite affordable audio AMPs and DACs combos available these days, and they DO make a difference. why not get the portable ones and use them to power ur music?
thats the dilemma, people are ready to spend like US $800 on a phone but cant buy a US $50 audio device to power their music and call them selves, "AUDIOPHILE"....
*SMH*
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Oh gawd...one of those...
Do you really play games on your phone? That's what a PC is for..
Do you really take pictures with your phone? Buy a real camera!
Do you really watch movies? That's what a TV is for.
A smartphone is a jack of all trades master of non. So yes..I listen to music on my phone. And I expect it to do well.
Think the same. Yes, I listen music on my mobile phone, and, for me, it's something important.
If you rely on the USB DAC for audio you will lose the ability to pick up calls handsfree while listening to music, and more importantly stress the USB connector if you are listening on the go. My only concern with the headphone audio is a comment made by François Simond ( Supercurio ) about his listening to the S6, possible artifacts in resampling 44.1 to 48k on the device.
any idea if its better than the note 4?
its my current music device, carrying 15gbs of music (mp3 and under 320)
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any idea if its better than the note 4?
its my current music device, carrying 15gbs of music (mp3 and under 320)
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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This is the main reason I'm getting the s6 (don't know if I'll get the edge or the regular. Depends on pricing t-mobile gives). Last phone with a dedicated dac was the galaxy note 2 for tmobile with the exynos chip. The dac and everything sound a great and a custom kernel by boeffla taped into the dac to unleash it's full potential. I'm not an audiophile but I do like my music to sound good on mobile. Converted all my flacs to m4a and have the vmoda m100 and that's plenty for me. Have looked at USB dac but I don't want to have to worry about anything else. Also Samsung pay has me drooling a little but. Hopefully tripping KNOX by rooting the thing doesn't Disable Samsung pay
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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I brought my mrs note 4 down to the samsung experience store with me when I tried out the s6 in headphones. The s6 is cleaner sounding but the note 4 is louder.
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I brought my mrs note 4 down to the samsung experience store with me when I tried out the s6. The s6 is cleaner sounding but the note 4 is louder.
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I'm not sure if you tested headphone output or speaker quality but the DAC will have most of an effect on the headphone output. A great DAC can't make up for crappy speakers.
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I'm not sure if you tested headphone output or speaker quality but the DAC will have most of an effect on the headphone output. A great DAC can't make up for crappy speakers.
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Note 4 is louder in Headphones. I personally couldn't care about speakers that much, as long as its loud enough to hear my callas and texts thats good enough for me and the note 4 is louder than the s6 in speaker too.
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It's almost guaranteed to be better. The Note 4 uses the built in DAC on the Snapdragon 805 chip which is considered to be fairly poor. The S6 on the other hand will use a Wolfson DAC which will sound great stock and even better when developers begin tuning the sound output.
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How do you know this? Do you have any reviews that back this up?
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Could U compare Mate 7 sound output on earphones to Galaxy note 2 or Xiaomi Mi4? The first one had very good sound quality but Mi4 has disappointed me in this field.
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Could U compare Mate 7 sound output on earphones to Galaxy note 2 or Xiaomi Mi4? The first one had very good sound quality but Mi4 has disappointed me in this field.
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Oh god yeah when I heard Mi 4 video on youtube, recorded sound I almost vomited ...
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Oh god yeah when I heard Mi 4 video on youtube, recorded sound I almost vomited ...
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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Try turn DTS on
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Try turn DTS on
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I do.. it just sound fake...
my old Galaxy note sounded better..
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I use Beyerdynamic DT1350, and I am not at all impressed with the sound of M7...it is one of the weakest things about this device..
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no phone will push headphones that good buy 1 of these will sound ALOT better http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophile-...794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae79a6f22
The sound is not good at all and its not very loud.
Im using Hidizs AP100
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no phone will push headphones that good buy 1 of these will sound ALOT better http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophile-...794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae79a6f22
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I have plugged in my headphones to many other devices and phones without an extermal headphone amp.
I can say for instance, I was quite impressed with the sound of my LG G2.
Mate 7 compared to my LG G2 is big difference...
My DT1350 headphones sounds very well without a headamp of course.. I have plans to buy a good USB DAC for my phone when I get the money
Like this one http://www.headstage.com/Arrow-5TX/....html?XTCsid=d99628f16e91ce69c9d50b1b0173b532
It is small enough to have in my backpocket in my jeans.
Further I try to avoid listening to headphones as much as possible since it will cause a big strain on your ears due added sound pressure (I have mild tinitus)
But when I am on vacation or travel to a different city and not at home it can be nice to have a good portable sound.
At Home I have an Antelope Eclipse AD/DA converter and Trident HG3 speakers.
But yes... this DTS "bull****" Mate 7 is just a marketing term just like this braindead "retina sound" for people who do not know or care much about audio..
DTS have a good effect on the Phone speakers since it adds more bottom and richness to the sound but with headphones it just adds "fake sound"
it is not a sound I would "trust" . With that said I bought this phone knowing it was not perfect, I drop my Lg G2 in the floor..I was desperate to get a new phone was and I did refuse to buy the Note 4 because of the insane price, plus I admire good screen to body ratio, a big smart phone today is NOT smartphone if there has been no focus to slim down the dead area, I want as much screen area as possible otherwise it's simply and idiotic construction, Huawei and LG are one of the few who understand screen to body ratio is important.
Blackinfinity, you only THINK your Headphones sound good with other phones, TRUST ME, i got into audio and i for instance was using these http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-...id=1428598957&sr=8-2&keywords=beyer+dt+770+80 which are 80 ohm,s like yours and i thought the headphones sounded OK, then i got a headphone amp, and it became VERY apparent that the headphones want alot more current to sound good then what comes out of your phone,seriously when i plugged em into the amp, i thought i had seriously upgraded my headphones, sounded ALOT better
I have the d880 too... They are hard to drive and react to amplification a lot more..
Dt1350 are made to sound good unamplified since that his how most people use headphones these days... However I still want a good portable headphone amp.
your headphones are 80 ohms they will improve with a amp
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guys.. i was on OPPO find 7a till few weeks ago..
trust me audio on opo find7a was so so much better than mate 7 !
I'm not an expert in audio/sound.. but even my ears could tell the big difference! I'm not talking just about the LOUDNESS.. but the richness of the quality of the sound!!
I don't use smartphone essentially for music but.. it's such a pity that this nice mat 7 lack in the audio so much :-/
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Blackinfinity, you only THINK your Headphones sound good with other phones, TRUST ME, i got into audio and i for instance was using these http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-...id=1428598957&sr=8-2&keywords=beyer+dt+770+80 which are 80 ohm,s like yours and i thought the headphones sounded OK, then i got a headphone amp, and it became VERY apparent that the headphones want alot more current to sound good then what comes out of your phone,seriously when i plugged em into the amp, i thought i had seriously upgraded my headphones, sounded ALOT better
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Whos gonna carry bloody amp it is like have brick in pocket then...
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guys.. i was on OPPO find 7a till few weeks ago..
trust me audio on opo find7a was so so much better than mate 7 !
I'm not an expert in audio/sound.. but even my ears could tell the big difference! I'm not talking just about the LOUDNESS.. but the richness of the quality of the sound!!
I don't use smartphone essentially for music but.. it's such a pity that this nice mat 7 lack in the audio so much :-/
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Audio is not as easy as you say, impedance synergy pairing and headphone / IEM play a large role in the perception you have, for me with my IEM's collection the Mate 7 sound realy good, better than my old Wolfson Note2 using Viper4Android or Boeffla kernel.
Here the audio test part on GSMARENA to compare between both:
Find 7
The Oppo Find 7 put in a stellar performance in the first part of our audio quality test. It had excellently high volume levels to go with its very clean output. Barring for the slightly high IMD reading this is one of the best score sets we've seen lately.
However, the smartphone faltered quite a bit when we plugged in a pair of headphones. Its frequency response started missing the mark now and then, the IMD rose further and the stereo crosstalk hiked quite a bit. It's not as bad as the stereo crosstalk disaster that was the 7a, but elsewhere the more premium member of the pair lagged behind its stablemate. Volume level dropped as well, adding up to what was a good, but not quite flagship-worthy performance here.
Find 7a
The Oppo Find 7a audio output is certainly among the cleanest we have seen when the smartphone is connected to an active external amplifier. Posting excellent scores top to bottom in the first part of our test, the Find 7a was also nicely loud, producing one of the best performances out there.
Plugging in a pair of headphones tells a different story, however. The stereo crosstalk increases way beyond the point where it can be considered as good, or even acceptable. The other readings remain great, but the high cross-channel leakage has the potential of damaging the whole audio experience for more exacting users and put the Oppo Find 7a below the current crop of flagships as far as audio output is concerned.
Mate 7
The Huawei Ascend Mate7 did excellently in the active external audio test, posting great scores and showing no weaknesses to its performance. The only thing to potentially frown at is its sub-par volume, but quality-wise it's right up with there with the best.
Impressively enough, plugging in a pair of headphones causes a very minor increase in stereo crosstalk - in this scenario the Ascend Mate7 ranks even better compared to the competition, which often see more degradation. Alas, the volume is below average here too, so we can't really say it's the best phablet for audio playback, but we can certainly promise you it will play every track the way its authors meant it to sound.
With my sensitive InEar SD3 I have plenty of volume, I listening beetween 3-5 most of the time, I dont want to end up deaf
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Whos gonna carry bloody amp it is like have brick in pocket then...
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Audiophile
The sound quality for me on headphones is the best I have ever heard from the Mate 7.
Thoroughly impressed.
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I am a bit of audiofile but NOT crazy one..
But guyyzz if u want TRULLY amazing audio quality FROM smartphone I'll tell you which phone to get ..
It is called Vivo X5 ..
There is studio version u probably NEVER seen packaging like this !
The phone uses audio chip
Yamaha YSS205X-CZE2,
Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC
and headphone amplifier Maxim Integrated MAX97220
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^ lol, now that is packaging
Better than any Smartphone I have ever used.
I have tested the S6 Edge with lossless FLAC music purchased from an online store (24 bit 96 khz). I played back using the Onkyo HF app over aptx to my Hi Fi. I am astonished at the quality of reproduction. You can also try ripping a CD in FLAC lossless format and the playback quality is great over wired or BT audiophile headphones.
Thanks for your opinion! ! This mobile is really great
Great review which also covers audio aspects in detail http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/04/27/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-the-review/
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Better than any Smartphone I have ever used.
I have tested the S6 Edge with lossless FLAC music purchased from an online store (24 bit 96 khz). I played back using the Onkyo HF app over aptx to my Hi Fi. I am astonished at the quality of reproduction. You can also try ripping a CD in FLAC lossless format and the playback quality is great over wired or BT audiophile headphones.
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do u have any technical detail about S6E audio outputs? (speaker/s and headphone jack)
if i remember correctly it doesn't have stereo speaker! can u make video for comparison of S6E sound?
Thanks
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do u have any technical detail about S6E audio outputs? (speaker/s and headphone jack)
if i remember correctly it doesn't have stereo speaker! can u make video for comparison of S6E sound?
Thanks
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Please read the review I linked to above. The audio assessment is not about the speaker but the ability to reproduce audiophile level of quality for headphones and aptx devices.
I'm a bit of an audiophile myself and the S6 really is amazing. Using the Shure se846 it sounds as good as through my Macbook Pro. No amp or external DAC necessary.
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I'm a bit of an audiophile myself and the S6 really is amazing. Using the Shure se846 it sounds as good as through my Macbook Pro. No amp or external DAC necessary.
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I also use the S6 Edge with my custom in-ears ( not UE Personal Reference, but it was tuned to my ears by a friend - I'm FOH engineer and also work in studio as well ). It sound as good as iphone's output. Pretty much un-colored signal. I remember there are threads about S6 Edge somewhere in this forum about audio quality with lots of debations of S6 Edge audio. Totally not true. Listen to Natalie Cole - Yo Lo Amo (And I Love Him) [feat. Chris Botti] on the S6 Edge was as enjoyable as on iphone 6 ( i owned both iphone 6 and 6 plus + ipad Air ). My S6E was rooted, no ViperFX ( ViperFX is good, but it is way too colored and not real, at least to my ears) , played with PowerAmp, Flat setting with no Samsung crappy audio FXs as well.
S6 Edge Speakers are loud but they are crappy in comparison to iphone 6...but headphone output is pretty much on par
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I also use the S6 Edge with my custom in-ears ( not UE Personal Reference, but it was tuned to my ears by a friend - I'm FOH engineer and also work in studio as well ). It sound as good as iphone's output. Pretty much un-colored signal. I remember there are threads about S6 Edge somewhere in this forum about audio quality with lots of debations of S6 Edge audio. Totally not true. Listen to Natalie Cole - Yo Lo Amo (And I Love Him) [feat. Chris Botti] on the S6 Edge was as enjoyable as on iphone 6 ( i owned both iphone 6 and 6 plus + ipad Air ). My S6E was rooted, no ViperFX ( ViperFX is good, but it is way too colored and not real, at least to my ears) , played with PowerAmp, Flat setting with no Samsung crappy audio FXs as well.
S6 Edge Speakers are loud but they are crappy in comparison to iphone 6...but headphone output is pretty much on par
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Fellow engineer here, also UE10 pro custom user for 9 years before the Logitech acquisition. Anyhow, I'll have to check this out!
I'll definitely check out some of my personal reference recordings.
I've yet to take the phone to a live gig and see how it handles transients and kick drums at 120dB! SEC in the past has been major fail. Although the camera on the Note 4 handled Ace Frehley fairly decently, right on the edge of the stage, quite loud, over 123dB! The iPhone 6 had about the same amount of distortion at that gig, FWIW. Most ALCs on these devices hard clip well before that level. The S3 was really bad, could not handle FOH levels in most venues.
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Fellow engineer here, also UE10 pro custom user for 9 years before the Logitech acquisition. Anyhow, I'll have to check this out!
I'll definitely check out some of my personal reference recordings.
I've yet to take the phone to a live gig and see how it handles transients and kick drums at 120dB! SEC in the past has been major fail. Although the camera on the Note 4 handled Ace Frehley fairly decently, right on the edge of the stage, quite loud, over 123dB! The iPhone 6 had about the same amount of distortion at that gig, FWIW. Most ALCs on these devices hard clip well before that level. The S3 was really bad, could not handle FOH levels in most venues.
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Hmmm, the phone to a live gig to record u mean ? Pretty sure it wont stand. I mix variable genres of music. My in-ears were tuned to matched with the UE PErsonal Reference response but with less boost at 10k. I found those peaks of UE Capitol version are way too bright.
Anyway, S6 edge handles quite well even with a very loud commercial Rock track with loud RMS , eg: I'm A River - FooFighter. Its a very busy track with lots of things going on, even with string ensemble at the end but my IEM wasnt distorted, which is a good thing. I think the output on S6E was a bit low in compare to ip6 but loud enough for low impedance high sensitive headphone or IEM. My IEM impedance is around 50 Ohm but it seems to be fine with S6E. Quite transparent.
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Hmmm, the phone to a live gig to record u mean ? Pretty sure it wont stand. I mix variable genres of music. My in-ears were tuned to matched with the UE PErsonal Reference response but with less boost at 10k. I found those peaks of UE Capitol version are way too bright.
Anyway, S6 edge handles quite well even with a very loud commercial Rock track with loud RMS , eg: I'm A River - FooFighter. Its a very busy track with lots of things going on, even with string ensemble at the end but my IEM wasnt distorted, which is a good thing. I think the output on S6E was a bit low in compare to ip6 but loud enough for low impedance high sensitive headphone or IEM. My IEM impedance is around 50 Ohm but it seems to be fine with S6E. Quite transparent.
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Yes, the camera one has with them is the best camera as the saying goes.
So with that in mind I like to test these devices under all sorts of conditions.
If a device can capture the crack of a stun gun's arc without distorting, I'd be impressed.
Then again, most equipment struggles with that, it's like trying to get a speaker to reproduce a square wave.
I'm definitely not into loud (as in compressed, no crest factor) recordings. Those will fry your ears, might as well stand next to a kiloton Frick chiller running at WOT.
For rock I'm more of a Robert Fripp guy.
I am using customs Lime Ears Aether and s6 edge sounds really good but to be frank this is still thin compared to Ibasso DX90 [emoji9]
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What surprised me the most with this device is how powerful the speaker is. Quality is there too ...
But when you listen to music with your headset it's very impressive. Sound is very clear and deep. It's so cool to have many toggles to improve quality. Samsung has already been the best I think regarding sound (not talking about speaker ... HTC boomsound remains above all).
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I am using customs Lime Ears Aether and s6 edge sounds really good but to be frank this is still thin compared to Ibasso DX90 [emoji9]
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Nice IEM man. Looks like Noble custom IEM to me i also use a pair of Westone UM Pro 50 + AKG K812 Pro. They also sound as they are supposed to be on S6E.
DX90 bass is a bit colored dont u think ? I love tight and uncolored low end. Kinda punchy.
S6E speakers ? Bleh!
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Yes, the camera one has with them is the best camera as the saying goes.
So with that in mind I like to test these devices under all sorts of conditions.
If a device can capture the crack of a stun gun's arc without distorting, I'd be impressed.
Then again, most equipment struggles with that, it's like trying to get a speaker to reproduce a square wave.
I'm definitely not into loud (as in compressed, no crest factor) recordings. Those will fry your ears, might as well stand next to a kiloton Frick chiller running at WOT.
For rock I'm more of a Robert Fripp guy.
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Pretty sure S6e wont keep up with high SPL IMO. Lemme know your result. My previous ip6 wont keep up but with Sony Z3, sound was fantastic after recording full HD ( Z3 allows u to choose high or low mic recording volume ).
Another year, another round of Nexus' (Nexii?) without this great technology.
Is there a reason why Google continues to leave it out of their phones? One would think it is a very Nexus-appropriate feature.
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Another year, another round of Nexus' (Nexii?) without this great technology.
Is there a reason why Google continues to leave it out of their phones? One would think it is a very Nexus-appropriate feature.
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Cuz it's useless for them.... Quite honest I don't even know what it is.... Most don't....
Why'd they leave it out? probably the power penalty and licensing fees, plus nobody cares about apt-x.
Most likely the licensing fee. Also, how many headphones actually support apt-X? Do beats headphone support it?
I haven't heard a single Bluetooth device, aptx or no, that sounds as good as wired cans or IEMs, and I've bought the high end Parrot, Sennheiser, Bose models and returned each one. For me, that's the aptx killer. The source can be stellar, but if you play it back on stuff that sounds like crap, you're still left with crap.
Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
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Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
Probably because most people who care a lot about sound quality don't use Bluetooth. Also
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Wow, I didn't even realize the 6p didn't have apt-x
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I would love for it to have APT-X but it's not a deal killer for me.
Here's Google's response to your question in a Reddit AMA yesterday:
"DB> No but aptx support for Android in general is something we’re thinking about."
Fingers crossed, it might actually happen!
snapper.fishes said:
Most likely the licensing fee. Also, how many headphones actually support apt-X? Do beats headphone support it?
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Beats aren't exactly high end headphones despite their high price so I doubt they do. I have a few sets of Bose headphones but my hearing is pretty bad so I doubt I would notice the difference with APT-X anyway
Not a deal breaker, but I would love to have it. The Moto X sounded really good with me Sony BT headphones using Apt-X. I originally was using Viper but I quickly realized that my music quality went down hill. Disabled it, and my music quality went back to normal.
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Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
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70.5bps? That doesn't even make sense. It appears the max bitrate for SBC is 345kbps. I use a OnePlus One in my car for BT audio with spotify 320kbps, and it doesn't sound much different than plugging my iPhone 5 via USB for audio with the same source.
Here's a quote from an article at bringsound.com. I don't know how credible this source is, but it seems to mirror my experience without apt-x.
"Many recent devices implement SBC at a high enough bit rate that aptX doesn’t appear to make a noticeable difference in sound quality. "
The main difference between SBC and apt-x appears to be lower latency (something I don't care about for my situation) and fewer artifacts. This isn't really something to be up in arms about, IMO.
coming off of devices that support the Apt-X protocol to see this left off is really really disappointing. So much so that it's keeping me from placing an order as I contemplate it.
Once you hear the difference, and there is a huge difference, you never want to go back to a2dp aka normal bluetooth quality again.
Is the support strictly a software limitation - meaning could it be added by an app or custom ROM?
To some this is a non-issue, but for others its huge. I don't consider myself an audiophile, nor do I think you need to be to hear the difference.
Me too. I really like Aptx and sound quality is important to me. I believe it's just a licensing issue, ie. Google has to pay CSR to include the protocol.
Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
gman16000 said:
Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
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lets us know
SymbioticGenius said:
Probably because most people who care a lot about sound quality don't use Bluetooth. Also
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Wow, good counter argument to people who whine about using bluetooth speakers over built in Stereo speakers!
BURN
lol Kidding, but seriously I am shocked at how low the quality of BT music is... I'll be using USB audio soon so oh well.
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ySo Jelly said:
Well you need aptx compatability on both ends for it to work. Otherwise your stream will default to the ****ty SBC.
Just wondering why the Nexus line avoids this when LG/Samsung/HTC/Sony all have it. I'd really like to pair my 6P up with my headunit in the car and get some decent sq without cables.
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You realize that "CD Quality Sound" is garbage right? 24bit 192khz or go home. Also...the dynamic range compression... Ugh.
Does android auto not use bluetooth to transfer the audio? If it truely does pass through with usb thats a possitive for sure. However i hope the auto makers make the port you plug it into be quick charge at a high amp rate or its all for naught.
For other devices such as small bluetooth speakers or headphones my ears would not forgive me
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Very sad no Apt-X. I use it for car and headset. It's really easy to tell when Apt-X is turned off. I see what it sounds like when my 6P arrives and go from there.
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I finally got my 6p and can give you my experience without Apt-X. Sorry this is long. Hopefully helpful.
My Setup:
Headphones: Sony MDR-10RBT
Phone #1: Galaxy Note 4 (Apt-X)
Phone #2: Nexus 6p
Source: Google Music (Audio set to High on Wifi)
Headphones:
Showing 3 blue flashes for both phones (means SBC (high quality), AAC or aptX selected automatically)
http://helpguide.sony.net/mdr/10rbt/v1/en/contents/04/01/04/04.html
"Subjective" Part:
Sorry to say that the 6p does not sound as good. I can easily hear the difference. Sorry I'm not good at describing it (I'm an engineer and not an audiophile sound reviewer), but here goes. With Apt-X and the Note 4, bass notes sound lower and the high notes sound more transparent and crisp than with the same songs on the 6p. Music sounds punchier and just more clear. Definitely not my imagination. If I had someone in the room here, I could have them randomly connect the headphones up to one of the phones and I'm certain I could bet my life on picking which phone I was connected to with 100% accuracy.
So does the 6p sound bad?? If I never heard the Apt-X version over these headphones, I would not know any better and the music would (and does) sound great. I almost wish I had not compared them side by side and I would have been happy with the 6p sound. Ignorance is bliss. But now that I know and have heard, it will make me a little crazy (I'm a bit OCC that way), but I'll live.
If this is the very small price I pay getting off that crap locked buggy Verizon Note 4, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
Why does Samsung removes Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive"?
Hi guys, I'm pissed out 'cause Samsung removes these Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive" of their phones...
it doesn't matter the chip, Exynos or Qualcomm.
Every phone I saw with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, have these Bluetooth codecs, only Samsung removes it! Why?
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By the way, Samsung removes some Qualcomm features as well, like TrueWireless™ Stereo PLUS and TrueWireless™ Mirroring...
These features allow both earbuds connect directly to the smartphones, it brinks us less latency, better connection, and establish, besides it can offer a more evenly balanced power distribution between both headphones producing in longer playing time, and with it, there are no master and slave earbuds... in another word, no cross-head transmission, better battery, less latency and better connection...
Look how amazing is when the phone have this feature TrueWireless Stereo Plus!
I'm looking forward to the new Bluetooth 5.2 in some Samsung devices, but I'm sure that Samsung will remove the new code "LE Audio" that will come with BT 5.2.
Why does Samsung do it with us?
Before I forgot, Samsung also removes the codec name "flag" from the connected device.
Samsung is doing a great job in smartphones, but there are killing the Bluetooth connection...
PLEASE SAMSUNG, Stop doing it with us, How can I keep buying your phones if you remove it of us?
ronaldoguedess said:
Hi guys, I'm pissed out 'cause Samsung removes these Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive" of their phones...
it doesn't matter the chip, Exynos or Qualcomm.
Every phone I saw with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, have these Bluetooth codecs, only Samsung removes it! Why?
By the way, Samsung removes some Qualcomm features as well, like TrueWireless™ Stereo PLUS and TrueWireless™ Mirroring...
These features allow both earbuds connect directly to the smartphones, it brinks us less latency, better connection, and establish, besides it can offer a more evenly balanced power distribution between both headphones producing in longer playing time, and with it, there are no master and slave earbuds... in another word, no cross-head transmission, better battery, less latency and better connection...
Look how amazing is when the phone have this feature TrueWireless Stereo Plus!
I'm looking forward to the new Bluetooth 5.2 in some Samsung devices, but I'm sure that Samsung will remove the new code "LE Audio" that will come with BT 5.2.
Why does Samsung do it with us?
Samsung is doing a great job in smartphones, but there are killing the Bluetooth connection..
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Might I suggest looking around in the phone, especially in developer options for some stuff...
Yeah not sure why Samsung does this... It has been going on for many years. They probably want to promote their proprietary SSC codec.
Regarding true wireless stereo, I didn't know and I thought it would work with a Samsung phone as long as the true wireless buds support it such as Technics
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Might I suggest looking around in the phone, especially in developer options for some stuff...
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I did it! look at your picture! there are no APTX ADAPTIVE or APTX HD... Just APTX CLASSIC.
I tried to put some images here, but I can't for now!
Samsung just remove it, even when the chip supports it!
ronaldoguedess said:
I did it! look at your picture! there are no APTX ADAPTIVE or APTX HD... Just APTX CLASSIC.
I tried to put some images here, but I can't for now!
Samsung just remove it, even when the chip supports it!
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I have no idea why they do that then, however I'm going to go with @VICosPhi since they're probably doing it just to promote their proprietary SSC codec.
Pretty sure their lame bt chipset doesn't support APTX HD...
A same on the 10+.
No 3.5mm jack and doesn't support the best codecs... flagship my a..
if it matters the same settings are also in the z fold 2. meaning it also lacks those extra codecs...
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if it matters the same settings are also in the z fold 2. meaning it also lacks those extra codecs...
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So Samsung skimped on the latest bt chipsets in all their flagship phones... perfect.
They can never be upgraded if so.
ronaldoguedess said:
I did it! look at your picture! there are no APTX ADAPTIVE or APTX HD... Just APTX CLASSIC.
I tried to put some images here, but I can't for now!
Samsung just remove it, even when the chip supports it!
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Wow, didn't realize this at all. Wonder what they're reasoning is. If you take out the jack, you should at least make bluetooth audio the best it can be.
chetly968 said:
Wow, didn't realize this at all. Wonder what they're reasoning is. If you take out the jack, you should at least make bluetooth audio the best it can be.
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Samsung should have... starting with the N 10+!!!
WTF? Screw you Samsung.
That's one reason I will not upgrade.
No excuse for this on the 20U.
Samsung thinks we don't notice... or care.
-wrong-
It's because they want to promote their own codex probably
chetly968 said:
Wow, didn't realize this at all. Wonder what they're reasoning is. If you take out the jack, you should at least make bluetooth audio the best it can be.
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interestingkid said:
It's because they want to promote their own codex probably
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More likely they wanted to make an extra 20 cents per flagship unit thinking their customers are deaf, blind, and dumb...
They did this during the S8 series.
At that time, they discontinued the Level Headphones. Those headphones used the AptX HD, they supported the whole 96KHz and 24bit audio, HiRes logo.
But when the Android Pie came, all my Level Headphones turn into crap, going from AptXHD to SBC was like shocking.
People complained and they put AptXHD back on the Note9 Oreo. Yet again Android Pie came and they remove it.
Suddenly they stated the new Icon and later Bubs series of Headphones.
Now, after complaining, they added back AptX but not HD or Hi Res support.
I am on a Note9 and this is my last Samsung phone, done with this BS.
Next upgrade will be a Sony Xperia which has a much better DAC and sound profile.
They are even lying about Dolby because the audio is just 44KHz and Dolby Digital the basic one is at least 48KHz.
Sad to see Samsung go on the route of Apple.
the issue is the masses don't know any better and the codecs installed on the phone are just "good enough" for the masses. samsung sell to the masses , not the enthusiasts.
the folks on this forum are those "enthusiasts" and thus will notice subtle things like this.
once the masses complain about it, samsung would most likely add it back. just like how the masses complained about the cheap free buds not being in the box (where many of them didn't use them but nevertheless expected them out of principle) - samsung promptly provided them for free (and just tossed them haphazardly into a padded envelope to boot).
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the issue is the masses don't know any better and the codecs installed on the phone are just "good enough" for the masses. samsung sell to the masses , not the enthusiasts.
the folks on this forum are those "enthusiasts" and thus will notice subtle things like this.
once the masses complain about it, samsung would most likely add it back. just like how the masses complained about the cheap free buds not being in the box (where many of them didn't use them but nevertheless expected them out of principle) - samsung promptly provided them for free (and just tossed them haphazardly into a padded envelope to boot).
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The Note series has always been an expensive niche product that targeted power users.
So during a economic depression what's Samsung do?
Raise prices, drop performance features and try to recast the Note as the pretty boy -everyone- wants.
Perfect. Inept marketing.
Samsung did it again this year and they are paying the price.
Between Samsung's screw ups and Q, no way I'll (and many others*) upgrade this year and at this rate not next year either.
Afterwhich Sammy better have gotten their lame rabid gerbil circus act together...
*all those glowing fold 2 reviews are bs, it's price is sinking faster than a concrete life preserver. Meanwhile the 10+ price is still remarkably high.
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AptX HD... is the one you wanted.
All those codecs are inferior to it
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AptX HD... is the one you wanted.
All those codecs are inferior to it
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Really? Says who? Samsung Scalable Codec supports up to 512kbps, similar to Aptx HD 576kbps. A marginal difference that you and I will definitely not be able to hear. The fact that it scales is an added benefit to maintain connection, besides most of us will be listening close range so you will most likely always be in the high end 512 kbit range.
I don't know about you but most of us listen to Spotify or YouTube Music which have a maximum of 256-320kbps, so you're technically not even gonna use 512kbps.
Not to mention, that most of us who do a blind test cannot tell a difference above 320kbps audio. SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.
I have never experienced any audio sync lag issues over Bluetooth while watching content on a Samsung device. I can't say the same for other devices I've used in the past.
Personally, I have tested my Sony WH-1000XM3s using Sony LDAC codec (which my Note 20 supports) at 990kbps and with SSC and cannot tell any difference whatsoever.
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Really? Says who? Samsung Scalable Codec supports up to 512kbps, similar to Aptx HD 576kbps. A marginal difference that you and I will definitely not be able to hear. The fact that it scales is an added benefit to maintain connection, besides most of us will be listening close range so you will most likely always be in the high end 512 kbit range.
I don't know about you but most of us listen to Spotify or YouTube Music which have a maximum of 256-320kbps, so you're technically not even gonna use 512kbps.
Not to mention, that most of us who do a blind test cannot tell a difference above 320kbps audio. SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.
I have never experienced any audio sync lag issues over Bluetooth while watching content on a Samsung device. I can't say the same for other devices I've used in the past.
Personally, I have tested my Sony WH-1000XM3s using Sony LDAC codec (which my Note 20 supports) at 990kbps and with SSC and cannot tell any difference whatsoever.
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LDAC is better than Samsung's Scalable codec but inferior to AptX-HD.
kbps not the only difference, things ain't quit that simple.
I learned long ago you -CAN- hear better codecs.
Not talking about 16 bit wav files; the scalable codec can't even fully reproduce that!
Let alone HDCDs that have up to 22 bit resolution not 16 bit.
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With 24 bit masters being released every bit counts...
Dig up the analysis if your ears can't hear it... some people's can though.
Of course if you're listening to mp3's... never mind.
Try playing through bt speakers and the loss of spacial depth ie sound stage will be immediately noticeable using any of these bt codecs from an HDCD or 24 bit file. To electro-acousticly couple a sound stage you need at least 2 stereo speakers coupled by open air (not headphones).
The interaction of the acoustic waves create the stage stage and directly electro-acoustically couple you with where the recording was made.
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SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.whatsoever.
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O'Really... It can "support" it, but it grossly degrades it!
It has no where near even 22 bit resolution let alone 24 or higher bit resolution. I'm listening Sammy's Scalable codec right now and the highest HD audio setting allowed in Developer Options is Adaptive Bite Rate which is not even 909 kbps!
to add insult to injury it does not allow me to change to any of the other codecs, it just stays at the factory selected codec.