Hello,
For starters, my apologies if this has been asked before. I took a quick look at the "similar threads" but none seemed to hit this angle.
I signed a two-year contract with Sprint last June. I bought the EVO 4G (thus my post on this particular forum) and paid $299 for it (forgot to mail in the rebate - my fault.) I live in Tulsa, OK, and we weren't on the list of cities with 4G at the time, but Sprint was rapidly expanding its "the nation's first 4G network" and I wanted to be a part of that. Plus I'd come from AT&T and an iPhone 3G, and I'd had enough of Apple.
Anyway, searches on Sprint's site regarding WiMax coming to Tulsa always resulted in a "give us your e-mail address and we'll let you know!" page. So I gave them my e-mail address, lived with Sprint's just-ok 3G speeds combined with spotty reception, and I waited. Don't-bother-trying-to-stream-music-in-the-car-or-use-data-at-some-intersections spotty. Often couldn't send a text message from my one-level, ground floor office full of windows in the middle of town, spotty. It'd be worth it when they flipped on that WiMax switch.
Well, fast forward 15 months, and I've put in my e-mail address about a dozen times. Verizon's LTE network has been live here for months. AT&T's faux-G HSPA+ is available here. Hell, T-Mobile's is even live here according to their website, though I don't know anyone on T-Mobile. Still, I've waited.
Recently I read that Sprint's future direction is LTE-Advanced. That sounds lovely, but I've read that WiMax will "continue to be supported for several more years due to the contract with Clearwire." Sprint would be stupid to dump more money into the WiMax network, but where does that leave me? The customer who paid an ETF to jump on the "first 4G network" and buy the "iPhone killer running Android?" I don't have WiMax now and it's clear that I never will. My phone doesn't have an LTE radio so that does me no good. I bought a ticket to ride a train that never left the station.
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For the record, I never voiced my reception complaints with Sprint. Always thought it'd get better. Lesson learned.
Anyway, the point of all this - in light of Sprint's announcement that they're moving forward with LTE-Advanced (and, one assumes, not dumping money into also building out WiMax) - do you think I'd have grounds to demand the ETF be waived? I almost feel like I've been subject to a bait-and-switch, except they just kept the bait and never gave me anything else.
Many people don't realize that the salespeople layered on a whole bunch of "4G will be here in a couple of months..." stories when peddling the EVO 4G around launch time....Especially with the $10 4G tax that came with it....(now a moot point since the 4G tax got relabeled a $10 "smartphone" tax).
I was told that Omaha was "next on the list", "eminent", "in the pre-roll out" phase, etc. etc. etc. It never happened.
I have been with Sprint for over 10 years....And in the space of the last year and a half, I have seen them go South BIG TIME....In more ways than I would like to elaborate here.
And "unlimited" is their last perk....Well guess what, unlimited 10-25kbps (downtown Omaha) is nothing to write home about folks.
sog1971 said:
Many people don't realize that the salespeople layered on a whole bunch of "4G will be here in a couple of months..." stories when peddling the EVO 4G around launch time....Especially with the $10 4G tax that came with it....(now a moot point since the 4G tax got relabeled a $10 "smartphone" tax).
I was told that Omaha was "next on the list", "eminent", "in the pre-roll out" phase, etc. etc. etc. It never happened.
I have been with Sprint for over 10 years....And in the space of the last year and a half, I have seen them go South BIG TIME....In more ways than I would like to elaborate here.
And "unlimited" is their last perk....Well guess what, unlimited 10-25kbps (downtown Omaha) is nothing to write home about folks.
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MLPosey27 said:
Hello,
Anyway, the point of all this - in light of Sprint's announcement that they're moving forward with LTE-Advanced (and, one assumes, not dumping money into also building out WiMax) - do you think I'd have grounds to demand the ETF be waived? I almost feel like I've been subject to a bait-and-switch, except they just kept the bait and never gave me anything else.
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In short you wont be able to pull this. 4G is considered a feature... as long as you have regular service Sprint is doing its part on the contract... now if the calls drop like crazy and you dont get any signal you might have a way out..
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i like your theory. However Sprint will say in fact you do have access to 4g wimax if you go to any city that has wimax like denver, colorado. They may also point out that you knew when you bought the phone that you did not have 4g and that unless their was in writing in your contract that 4g wimax service would be available by a certain date then you may not have a leg to stand on. You can try to start a class action suit and see what happens....
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CAS are completely and utterly useless. The only ones who benefit from these are the lawyers who get paid in the thousands or even millions while the ppl they represent not only get a rate hike (hey someone has to foot the bill for the amount the company paid to the lawyers or did you think the stockholders would be happy to know their money was used to pay off the suit?) but they get a measly coupon for like 10% off any accessory or a $2 credit and no noticeable change to the terms they were trying to fight against.
If you really want to make a difference all you need is to get out of Sprint either by paying the ETF or waiting patiently for another 'considerable' change to the contract's terms as they seem to pop every 6 months or so and spread the word...
I know. I, along with thousands, if not millions are in this sanger boat as you. Got mine Nov 2010. Was promised 4g by march, nothing. Then it was july, nothing. Then end of summer, nothing. I had about written it off then I heard about the lte network. So I won't have 4g for maybe another year. Eh, whatever. We can ***** all we want, its not going to make things happen any faster. Would be great if 3g was as fast as it used to be to make the wait easier. Its either wait it out or go pay out the ass for verizon or att, neither of which are worth the price IMO, especially att. Guess I'll just wait like everyone else.
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You may want to try this. You can use it to get better signal if you are in an area with ishtty sprint coverage OR use it to get kicked outta your contract if that's what you're looking for
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You can try to start a class action suit and see what happens....
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No, actually you can't. Read Sprint's terms and conditions. Specifically, the section regarding dispute resolution.
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
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I thought I remembered reading an email from Sprint that basically let you out of your contract with ETF's since they changed the terms of the contract. Might just call and ask.
snowboarda42 said:
I thought I remembered reading an email from Sprint that basically let you out of your contract with ETF's since they changed the terms of the contract. Might just call and ask.
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Yes, if they change the terms of your contract you get the opportunity to get out with no ETF. I don't think they have changed any contract terms recently though.
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MLPosey27 said:
Hello,
For starters, my apologies if this has been asked before. I took a quick look at the "similar threads" but none seemed to hit this angle.
I signed a two-year contract with Sprint last June. I bought the EVO 4G (thus my post on this particular forum) and paid $299 for it (forgot to mail in the rebate - my fault.) I live in Tulsa, OK, and we weren't on the list of cities with 4G at the time, but Sprint was rapidly expanding its "the nation's first 4G network" and I wanted to be a part of that. Plus I'd come from AT&T and an iPhone 3G, and I'd had enough of Apple.
Anyway, searches on Sprint's site regarding WiMax coming to Tulsa always resulted in a "give us your e-mail address and we'll let you know!" page. So I gave them my e-mail address, lived with Sprint's just-ok 3G speeds combined with spotty reception, and I waited. Don't-bother-trying-to-stream-music-in-the-car-or-use-data-at-some-intersections spotty. Often couldn't send a text message from my one-level, ground floor office full of windows in the middle of town, spotty. It'd be worth it when they flipped on that WiMax switch.
Well, fast forward 15 months, and I've put in my e-mail address about a dozen times. Verizon's LTE network has been live here for months. AT&T's faux-G HSPA+ is available here. Hell, T-Mobile's is even live here according to their website, though I don't know anyone on T-Mobile. Still, I've waited.
Recently I read that Sprint's future direction is LTE-Advanced. That sounds lovely, but I've read that WiMax will "continue to be supported for several more years due to the contract with Clearwire." Sprint would be stupid to dump more money into the WiMax network, but where does that leave me? The customer who paid an ETF to jump on the "first 4G network" and buy the "iPhone killer running Android?" I don't have WiMax now and it's clear that I never will. My phone doesn't have an LTE radio so that does me no good. I bought a ticket to ride a train that never left the station.
/rant
For the record, I never voiced my reception complaints with Sprint. Always thought it'd get better. Lesson learned.
Anyway, the point of all this - in light of Sprint's announcement that they're moving forward with LTE-Advanced (and, one assumes, not dumping money into also building out WiMax) - do you think I'd have grounds to demand the ETF be waived? I almost feel like I've been subject to a bait-and-switch, except they just kept the bait and never gave me anything else.
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Well if you want to opt out of the contract you should try the PRL mod it lets you roam on verizons towers and sprint wont like that and will cancel ur contract if you dont mind.
Or just wait for LightSquared LTE its gonna be the best of all .
Heres some videos to keep your hopes up. which should be up by mid 2012.
http://youtu.be/NbZVmsm09R4
http://youtu.be/gdbGpul7QAA
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And "unlimited" is their last perk....Well guess what, unlimited 10-25kbps (downtown Omaha) is nothing to write home about folks.
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I just talked to Sprint about lousy 3g speeds here in Kansas City Missouri. My contract is done in February, and so am I. Verizon here I come.
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I am pretty disgusted with Sprint as well. I live in Omaha, NE. I have a 4G signal about 2 miles from my apartment but they won't flip the switch to allow the whole city to have it. Verizon has had 4G LTE in Lincoln and Omaha since September. This is beyond unacceptable, its retarded. It amazes me that they want to alienate their small customer base in the Midwest, especially since they are based out of Overland Park, KS. Since they decided to spend money on Apple and the iPhone instead of carry through with their promise of WiMax in 2011, I hope they are bought out by Verizon or that they go bankrupt. I have terrible data speeds and I am flat out sick of Sprint's lying.
You might have to pay more for att or Verizon but I rather pay for better service then deal with sprints lousy service I'm done. I would pay only $10.00 more with att so not breaking the bank.
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Go to t-mobile I live in a small city and look at my speeds on there HSPA +
BTW im on there $30 plans go on their wesite and check it out
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Will it take 2 more years for Sprint to bring their new LTE to most of the country?
Just wanted to let you guys know I called sprint and got the $10 data charge waived for one month due to slow data speeds. I had them look at my data usage over the last couple months and told them the drop was due to slow speeds.
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[...] they just kept the bait and never gave me anything else.
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^ this
This has me so mad @ Sprint. When my contract is up this spring, I'm not sure if I'll be staying with Sprint.
MLPosey27 said:
Anyway, the point of all this - in light of Sprint's announcement that they're moving forward with LTE-Advanced (and, one assumes, not dumping money into also building out WiMax) - do you think I'd have grounds to demand the ETF be waived? I almost feel like I've been subject to a bait-and-switch, except they just kept the bait and never gave me anything else.
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Nope, I'm in your precise situation and it's why I'm doing everything I can to rape their network until I'm dropped. Check out that "hack the htc evo" thread. They did not represent themselves honestly.
I'm about 3 hours north of Sprint's 4G here in Ohio. I signed on because they said that in about 6 months (from the time I signed) my area should be up and running. I should have paid attention to the "should be" part.
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Nope, I'm in your precise situation and it's why I'm doing everything I can to rape their network until I'm dropped. Check out that "hack the htc evo" thread. They did not represent themselves honestly.
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If you aren't happy with Sprint's service, why don't you just switch carriers? All you are doing is driving up costs for the rest of us.
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Related
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-owner-sues-google-over-sporadic-3g-speed.ars
whats with the link?
Google search helped:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-owner-sues-google-over-sporadic-3g-speed.ars
Well, if such claim was submitted in a normal jurisdictional system, he'd have his ass kicked out of the court and pay Google instead. In US, though, with McDonalds coffee case and the likes, he might even have a chance.
Gotta love the pentiles, and the fact that this moron paid all those fees rather than getting subsidized by TMobile. And the whole thing is rediculous, did anyone sue TMobile when they were selling the "TMobile 3G" when there was no 3G available on TMobile?
I hope this guy pays thousands of dollars of legal fees and the first judge throws it in the shredder.
Jack_R1 said:
Google search helped:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-owner-sues-google-over-sporadic-3g-speed.ars
Well, if such claim was submitted in a normal jurisdictional system, he'd have his ass kicked out of the court and pay Google instead. In US, though, with McDonalds coffee case and the likes, he might even have a chance.
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Off topic I realize but, while there are many incidents of frivolous lawsuits in the U.S., Liebeck vs McDonald's should not be the poster child for them. I honestly question the reasonableness of the settlement in the suit and the percent that McDonald's was found at fault for but it was definitely a reasonable case to take to court given the evidence.
From what I have heard FL is pretty bad for 3G coverage on T-Mo outside of a couple of large cities. Making this a class action lawsuit is a bold move though considering he will have to prove his problems are representative of the class (Nexus 1 owners). I do believe that people have problems with the 3G on the Nexus 1, myself included, but not to the extent that this gentleman claims and even then the problems of some are not necessarily representative of the class.
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Gotta love the pentiles, and the fact that this moron paid all those fees rather than getting subsidized by TMobile. And the whole thing is rediculous, did anyone sue TMobile when they were selling the "TMobile 3G" when there was no 3G available on TMobile?
I hope this guy pays thousands of dollars of legal fees and the first judge throws it in the shredder.
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The T-Mo subsidized actually costs more...
If you go subsidized you have to sign a 2 year contract. If you go month by month, it's $20 less a month, which is $480 over 2 years, and then there's tax on top...
Still, it is ridiculous!
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I happen to live in Orlando, Florida and the 3G speed here is better than the Att and Sprint even on 4G. And I have tested in different zones and see my signature as proof this guy has to be a retarded with no other thing to do or he lives in the woods.
I have to agree with you I live in Miami Beach FL and my T-Mobile 3G service is better then my family's AT&T 3G
danger-rat said:
The T-Mo subsidized actually costs more...
If you go subsidized you have to sign a 2 year contract. If you go month by month, it's $20 less a month, which is $480 over 2 years, and then there's tax on top...
Still, it is ridiculous!
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So are you telling me that if you didn't have subsidized you wouldn't have a monthly bill from t-mobile?
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So are you telling me that if you didn't have subsidized you wouldn't have a monthly bill from t-mobile?
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No?
But I guess it depends on the plan. I have unlimited voice and data, which costs less on a monthly plan than a contract...
My point being, just because someone paid full price for a phone doesn't mean they made a bad choice...
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I agree with the person filing the lawsuit - reception on the Nexus One is definitely worse than on other phones.
Holding companies accountable is definitely a WIN for consumers.
I hope this class action lawsuit and the one for the iphone 4 go all the way an make companies think twice about selling crappy phones to consumers.
I hope he wins. The Nexus one is a very good phone but 3g is an issue for some, myself included. If you're not affected consider yourself lucky.
I might as well sue ferarri because my potholed streets don't allow my ferarri to exceed 150mph
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I might as well sue ferarri because my potholed streets don't allow my ferarri to exceed 150mph
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thats a good one.
erikikaz said:
I might as well sue ferarri because my potholed streets don't allow my ferarri to exceed 150mph
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Thats not Ferarris fault though is it.
Where as the weaker antenna on the Nexus One is Google/HTCs fault.
In places where I used to get 4 bars on my Magic, I now only get 2 or 3 on my N1.
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Thats not Ferarris fault though is it.
Where as the weaker antenna on the Nexus One is Google/HTCs fault.
In places where I used to get 4 bars on my Magic, I now only get 2 or 3 on my N1.
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And the bars represent what measure exactly? Did you compare reception values? I can bet you that there won't be lab results proving any significant reception faults in comparison with any other phone.
And how exactly lack of proper 3G coverage is Google's fault? Just like the bumpy streets are Ferrari's fault? Ferrari is also marketed as "super-fast experience", the analogy is perfect.
OMG FIVE BARZ! MOAR BARZ!
I seem to recall seeing a few phones at one point that had 6-7 bars, I bet their reception was STELLAR. I mean, that's two more bars than 5!
Have I seen my Nexus One data connection get stuck? Sure.. 5-6 times at least.... The indication being that it's trying to send data up, but it's not working, so the up arrow just stays there. After ~30s it'll typically stop for a second then it's fine. Once or twice I've gone into airplane mode, but probably could have just waited a bit longer.
I get varied 3G speeds here, both up and down. 3-4 down, 1-2 up. Sometimes it's 500k down. Guess what; I'm in the mall and AT&T decided to blanket the gigantic mall here in town with ONE HUGE TOWER rather than microcells.
Are there going to be hardware problems or possibly even software/radio problems with specific areas? Of course.
Or maybe I'm just "lucky". I'd rather be born lucky than good looking, as they say.
/facepalm... this guy prolly doesnt know **** about the phone...
there have been multiple software updates... how many different radio's are there out there? please... this will never go anywhere and it could be a tmobile problem anyway...
some things he has to prove that its a phone issue and not a network issue; that the results are the same regardless where he is at; that google never made any effort to fix the issue (which they did with multiple radio updates)...
This is either a cash grab or the guy is clueless.
I live in Orlando and the T-Mobile service here is simply excellent, in fact its better than Sprint and AT&T in both speed and coverage. I can't tell you how many times I've let my buddy use my Nexus because his iPhone was having issues. My old house in Oviedo (east Orlando) was a complete dead zone on sprint, switched to Tmo and it was fine.
HSPA+ roll out has been fantastic here, I get 2-5Mbit+ all over the city, I'm never without signal and never once has Tmobile messed up on my billing (I had almost constant issues with Sprint, and everyone I know with Sprint has at least had 1 issue.).
Signal between my ADP1 (G1) and N1 was identical at both home and work, and this only improved as updates rolled out.
Bottom line, tmobile services in Orlando are as good as it gets anywhere, and on any carrier, if not better than.
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And the bars represent what measure exactly? Did you compare reception values? I can bet you that there won't be lab results proving any significant reception faults in comparison with any other phone.
And how exactly lack of proper 3G coverage is Google's fault? Just like the bumpy streets are Ferrari's fault? Ferrari is also marketed as "super-fast experience", the analogy is perfect.
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My point is that HTC have a radio and build that can give me 4 bars of GSM and in some parts of my house 2 bars of 3G. Thats on my Magic.
On the N1 in the exact same places, I only have 3 bars on GSM and struggle to a bar on 3G.
Nothing to do with the networks signal. The signal is there, the radio/antenna in the N1 is just not as strong.
In the Ferrari example. It is the other way round, Ferrari make a car that can go 180mph, but your local council/highways agency are not doing enough to keep the roads smooth.
The reason Google and HTC would be in the wrong is because they claim it to be better but is in fact weaker.
I still wouldn't be a douche and take them to court over it, you gotta have no life for it to actually bother you that much.
well after only about 6 months i have had it with Sprint.
I live in Cedar Rapids, Ia and the service here is to the point of almost not even having data.
by that i mean i have been consistantly getting 50-100kbps. day or not.
occassionaly between 6am and 9am i can get 700-1100kbps but this is not a daily routine.
I have been speaking to and met with the Regional Sprint Manager who was a very nice, polite and well spoken woman to work with.
She, unfortunately for sprint, has let loose on some key things such as her getting calls from their business customers that the network is toast and data is gone. and that for years its been known that Sprint in Cedar Rapids has been horrible. although the latter comment was not a blatant statement but more under the table & nonchalant.
we swapped phones and nothing changed, as she admitted probably would happen.
but i am working with her to get out of my contract with no fee's because i am not, and never have gotten actual 3G service. I was blatantly mislead and lied to on several occassions about the service in CR and even told by a store employee "oh yeah, we are going to get 4G by christmas". when the fact of the matter is because of my contacts in the wireless world, Iowa isnt even on the roadmap for 4G in any of the future plans my contacts have seen although they admit it is no doubt coming.
but even if they say i have to pay the early term. fees i dont care i am done with sprint and i will pay my fees in my own due time.
funny thing is.... the minute you leave cedar rapids, ia and start travelling down the highway your data speeds go thru the friggin roof..... but.. i dont live out on the highway in the middle of nowhere, i live in town, where service is not even service.. its 1xRTT at BEST.
I have int he past even been going 75mph down the highway, been tethered to my EVO with my iPad, and been streaming Netflix to my ipad thru my EVO... but the minute you hit Cedar Rapids,,, the network is history. and has been like that for a long time, i doubt sprint will ever fix it, it will take alot... a l o t of T1's to fix their oversold network.
yesterday i went to US Cellular and got hooked up with a Samsung Mesmerize.
Its no EVO but its a nice phone none the less. but the service, even though maxes out at about 1200kbps, is lightyears better than Sprint Service ever will be.
i thought about getting the HTC Desire but its too small. i dont like small screens, but its a Sense phone and as such is a nice phone and has the email and browser i like.
The mesmerize is not, and uses the stock android browser and email which i friggin hate. but... it is what it is.....
good bye sprint, good bye evo.....
look for a couple of evo's in the for sale section of XDA
So, for the first 30 days where you had time to test out the service, were you never home to test out the service? That is why they give you thirty days. If I had crappy service for the first week, I would be at the Sprint store returning the phone.
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So, for the first 30 days where you had time to test out the service, were you never home to test out the service? That is why they give you thirty days. If I had crappy service for the first week, I would be at the Sprint store returning the phone.
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oh believe me i would have but, i was assured repeatedly that this was not normal Sprint when i reported issues. it wasnt AS bad back in June/July even though it was still far far less than minimal 3G speeds. I was told repeatedly atleast twice a month that trouble tickets were made and the field guys were looking into the issues.
But, obviously they have done nothing, absolutely nothing because not only has it not been fixed it is now worse than it ever has been.
so 30 days what ever... when sprint tells customers its getting looked into and yet absolutely nothing happens, well, what do you expect.
i am going to get fed up and leave, but i wont leave and pay ANY fees, they lied to me to get me to sign up, they lied to me to stay, and i refuse to allow anyone or any company to do that to me.
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So, for the first 30 days where you had time to test out the service, were you never home to test out the service? That is why they give you thirty days. If I had crappy service for the first week, I would be at the Sprint store returning the phone.
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yeah thirty days would of been more than enough time to figure this out, after that I would understand why Sprint wouldnt let you out of your ETF, especially after sticking through it for 6 months. And some reps arent really lying as much as speaking out of ignorance, 4g is being rolled out every month in different cities, but not on any schedule that I know of. But like you said it was always bad service by you so you didnt just wake up one day and your had nothing to work with. Sprint isnt much to blame for not covering the whole nation with service, all providers have bad spots, Im sorry that you live in one of Sprints. I hope you US Cellular works out better for you.
So I guess we shouldn't go with Sprint if we live in uninhabited backwaters then?
umm bye ?
sounds like some attention whoring going on here
Verizon have service there? Reason is if they do then you can just use roam control to stay on verizons towers in cedar rapids.
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I would check VZ
I switched to Sprint from ATT (Iphone) and so far love it.
No dropped calls, better signal and more crisp voice.
Rooted EVO is as much fun as JB Iphone.
I have a 6 bedroom house and signal dies whenever I go inside very far. I use the Airave and I get full bars now everywhere in the house.
You should of just used a Verizon PRL, it would of probably increased your data speeds aslong as verizon had good coverage there. Worse case scenerio would of been Sprint canceling your contract without a ETF for excesive roaming...
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Verizon have service there? Reason is if they do then you can just use roam control to stay on verizons towers in cedar rapids.
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RoamControl doesnt do anything for DATA roaming. You need to manually load a different PRL with ##775#
Just a recommendation, if your not getting good service I would talk to someone in retention. I did this due to my phone dropping calls constantly inside my house. Anyways when all was said and done, I got a FREE Airave plus service for the Airave for free they just wave it every month. Just something to consider trying before you pay that termination fee, companies are very unlikely to let you go free.
CheesyNutz said:
umm bye ?
sounds like some attention whoring going on here
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LOL.. *sorry* "attention whoring"? Is that what it's called?
I've been disappointed with Sprint and my Evo many times for a variety of different reasons and I don't think I even told my wife--even after she stopped me from slamming my Blackberry 8330 up against the wall. Life's not perfect, that's what makes it cool--creating solutions. Good luck with other carriers.
> Stay in **** hole, for crap service, ditch evo or...
> Move out of **** hole keep EVO, scratch lottery ticket, win millions of dollars.
> Use money and buy your own sprint towers in **** hole
> Profit???
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> Stay in **** hole, for crap service, ditch evo or...
> Move out of **** hole keep EVO, scratch lottery ticket, win millions of dollars.
> Use money and buy your own sprint towers in **** hole
> Profit???
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swap step 3 and 4 around, step 3 should always be profit
Personally i would suggest moving, just a thought, may make you happier with life in general...
Roam control!
dabezt1 said:
You should of just used a Verizon PRL, it would of probably increased your data speeds aslong as verizon had good coverage there. Worse case scenerio would of been Sprint canceling your contract without a ETF for excesive roaming...
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Any idea how much roaming Sprint would consider, "excessive?" One of the phones on my account roams just about all of the time (He is stationed at an AFB in South Dakota, basically the middle of nowhere) and I'm curious if any one knows how much roaming would cause Sprint to end the contract...
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Any idea how much roaming Sprint would consider, "excessive?" One of the phones on my account roams just about all of the time (He is stationed at an AFB in South Dakota, basically the middle of nowhere) and I'm curious if any one knows how much roaming would cause Sprint to end the contract...
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There is a certain percentage I think but I was stationed at Vandenburg AFB in California and I roamed there for almost two years straight and received no warning. Still with Sprint today.
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psssst....
YOU LIVE IN CEDAR RAPIDS!
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Leaked-ATT-Letter-Demolishes-Case-For-TMobile-Merger-115652
Yesterday a partially-redacted document briefly appeared on the FCC website --accidentally posted by a law firm working for AT&T on the $39 billion T-Mobile deal (somewhere there's a paralegal looking for work today). While AT&T engaged in damage control telling reporters that the document contained no new information -- our review of the doc shows that's simply not true. Data in the letter undermines AT&T's primary justification for the massive deal, while highlighting how AT&T is willing to pay a huge premium simply to reduce competition and keep T-Mobile out of Sprint's hands.
We've previously discussed how AT&T's claims of job gains and network investment gained by the deal aren't true, with overall network investment actually being reduced with the elimination of T-Mobile. While AT&T and the CWA are busy telling regulators the deal will increase network investment by $8 billion, out of the other side of their mouth AT&T has been telling investors the deal will reduce investment by $10 billion over 6 years. Based on historical averages T-Mobile would have invested $18 billion during that time frame, which means an overall reduction in investment.
Yet to get the deal approved, AT&T's key talking point to regulators and the press has been the claim that they need T-Mobile to increase LTE network coverage from 80% to 97% of the population. Except it has grown increasingly clear that AT&T doesn't need T-Mobile to accomplish much of anything, and likely would have arrived at 97% simply to keep pace with Verizon. AT&T, who has fewer customers and more spectrum than Verizon (or any other company for that matter), has all the resources and spectrum they need for uniform LTE coverage without this deal.
For the first time the letter pegs the cost of bringing AT&T's LTE coverage from 80% to 97% at $3.8 billion -- quite a cost difference from the $39 billion price tag on the T-Mobile deal. The push for 97% coverage apparently came from AT&T marketing, who was well aware that leaving LTE investment at 80% would leave them at a competitive disadvantage to Verizon. Marketing likely didn't want a repeat of the Luke Wilson map fiasco of a few years back, when Verizon made AT&T look foolish for poor 3G coverage.
The letter also notes that AT&T's supposed decision to "not" build out LTE to 97% was cemented during the first week of January, yet public documents (pdf) indicate that at the same time AT&T was already considering buying T-Mobile, having proposed the deal to Deutsche Telekom on January 15. In the letter, AT&T tries to make it seem like the decision to hold off on that 17% LTE expansion was based on costs. Yet the fact the company was willing to shell out $39 billion one week later, combined with AT&T's track record with these kinds of tactics, suggests AT&T executives knew that 80-97% expansion promise would be a useful carrot on a stick for politicians.
While the $39 billion price certainly delivers AT&T customers, equipment, employees, and spectrum, most of T-Mobile's network replicates AT&T's existing resources in major markets, and T-Mobile's network is significantly less robust in rural markets where AT&T would want to expand. While the deal provides AT&T with a shortcut to sluggish tower builds in a few select markets, by and large AT&T will be faced with terminating many redundant positions and decommissioning a lot of duplicative equipment. They'll also have to close a large number of retail operations and independent retailers.
Again, the reality appears to be that AT&T is giving Deutsche Telekom $39 billion primarily to reduce market competition. That price tag eliminates T-Mobile entirely -- and makes Sprint (and by proxy new LTE partner LightSquared and current partner Clearwire) more susceptible to failure in the face of 80% AT&T/Verizon market domination. How much do you think wireless broadband market dominance is worth to AT&T over the next decade? After all, AT&T will be first to tell you there's a wireless data "tsunami" coming, with AT&T and Verizon on the shore eagerly billing users up to $10 per gigabyte.
Regardless of the motivation behind rejecting 97% LTE deployment, the letter proves AT&T's claim they need T-Mobile to improve LTE coverage from 80-97% simply isn't true. That's a huge problem for AT&T, since nearly every politician and non-profit that has voiced support for the merger did so based largely on this buildout promise. It's also a problem when it comes to the DOJ review, since proof that AT&T could complete their LTE build for far less than the cost of this deal means the deal doesn't meet the DOJ's standard for merger-specific benefits.
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Wow I hope you're right and that this does throw a monkey wrench in the merger review... AT&T has notoriously wretched customer service & this is purely a power grab to squeeze out competition. These commercials about the merger being necessary to expand coverage to underserved populations looks like & smells like PR-spin BS. But, it seems like a lot of big players are coming out in favor of it... It'd be a great time to be an AT&T lobbyist right now.
interesting - but I think most of us were already aware of their false info since the get-go
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interesting - but I think most of us were already aware of their false info since the get-go
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Maybe we knew, but not most people. I hope it gets denied so Sprint can merge and catch up to the big red and at&t.
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Damn that's a lot of typing on an onscreen keyboard..
Edit: I see you just copied the article into the thread. Good info!
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Damn that's a lot of typing on an onscreen keyboard..
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To be honest, I copy/pasted. But I could do it with my favorite, Swiftkey X keyboard.
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The merger has big tech industry and political support. If it does happen, we need to look at what assets ATT/TMobile will have to divest to meet approval, and which assets Sprint can buy up.
son of a ***** my ATT stock is going to take a dive on monday
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son of a ***** my ATT stock is going to take a dive on monday
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I'd take a look at Sprint's stock if this merger is declined. lol
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I'd take a look at Sprint's stock if this merger is declined. lol
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I'm planning on grabbing handfuls of it on Monday anyway.
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I'm planning on grabbing handfuls of it on Monday anyway.
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Makes me wish I had the money to get into stock trading. But I'm sure it doesn't help that I don't know much about it, haha
Sprint's balance sheet is much too bloated with debt and an uncertain 4G future. I would invest in reliable companies like Exxon Mobil, Microsoft, Ford, and Walmart.
I'm glad you posted this not for the info that we already knew but for the fact that this merger should go down in flames now
Reading this made me so happy. I will starting as a retail associate for tmo within the next few weeks (been trying for 3 years!) And I'm def happy about this. **** at&t this merger is horrible and is a completely legit try at market dominance. Sprint needs to pick up tmo, no matter what the outcome of the different tech and spectrum being used is. It would put all 3 companies neck to neck. And since sprint's prices are the **** big red and apples main brown nosers will be force to compete, instead of raping your wallet.
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last thing sprint needs to do is integrate another new tech.
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Reading this made me so happy. I will starting as a retail associate for tmo within the next few weeks (been trying for 3 years!) And I'm def happy about this. **** at&t this merger is horrible and is a completely legit try at market dominance. Sprint needs to pick up tmo, no matter what the outcome of the different tech and spectrum being used is. It would put all 3 companies neck to neck. And since sprint's prices are the **** big red and apples main brown nosers will be force to compete, instead of raping your wallet.
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last thing sprint needs to do is integrate another new tech.
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It's interesting to see both views on the subject. I'm all for Sprint grabbing T-Mobile. If another wireless carrier gets T-Mobile, Sprint will most likely go bankrupt and/or be bought out by another company instead. Sprint's options are to either buy or be bought. (At least that's my view of it).
Sprint's a great company that cares about it's customers, I just wish they were larger because they're the ones that have fair pricing.
Yeap. If I was Google Id pick up sprint and tmo... wasn't there talks about Google acquiring sprint or something. If Google owned its own network apple would be screwed
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Yeap. If I was Google Id pick up sprint and tmo... wasn't there talks about Google acquiring sprint or something. If Google owned its own network apple would be screwed
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http://www.businessinsider.com/sprint-verizon-comcast-google-2011-3
Verizon stated they wouldn't buy Sprint, they're in too much debt (that link I cannot find), however, it was interesting that Comcast might buy Sprint. Then again, same thing. Sprint's too much in debt to be bought out right now. I'm very interested in seeing how this pans out.
Not to mention Google just announced purchasing Motorola Mobile. Verizon carries the most Motorola Products so far so who knows what will happen. What I like is that Motorola also develops and provides set top boxes and cable modems for most cable operators so I think this can help Google bring more into the home tv and internet service area.
that's it... google buys sprint, the att tomobile deal goes through... we have a 3 way race. google undercuts everyones prices, and everyone benifits!
and by everyone i mean me
Hey guys,
This isn't a thread to give instructions on how to screw Sprint over, nor is it how to get out of yours. I'm just telling you that they let me out.
I cited the fact that my service is miserable, with really low speeds, along with the fact that their new agreement with Lightsquared means that my EVO will never be able to get their 4g service, which I was promised when I signed up. They agreed with my position, and said that if I returned my phones when I left, they would waive the ETF, which I think was very fair of them. Like I said, I wasn't out to screw them over or get over on them, which is why I'm returning the phones to them. They gave me a full month to find new service as well.
Just wanted to tell everyone this so that if you're having a similar situation with service and want to switch (and aren't greedy!!!), Sprint will work with you. That being said, I'll miss this forum when I switch, and all the great Devs. I'm switching back to Verizon, and getting myself the new HTC Rezound, which I hear is phenomenal, along with beautiful Verizon 4G!!!!
I got out of my ETF in June, citing the same reason, slow 3g speeds. I do not have to turn in my phones to sprint, that seems a little shady to me. YOU bought the phones, YOU own the phones. You should NOT have to give them back, you have no reason to, they are YOURS.
Good idea, I'm getting near that move myself. It is rather silly I own a 4G phone that has never and will never see the use of 4G, considering it was sold as such.
Wonder if I can use that to force an upgrade in January. Dropping Premium really sucks, because now I'm stuck with a phone that will never see 4G or be able to get LTE, probably, until Jan 2013.
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I got out of my ETF in June, citing the same reason, slow 3g speeds. I do not have to turn in my phones to sprint, that seems a little shady to me. YOU bought the phones, YOU own the phones. You should NOT have to give them back, you have no reason to, they are YOURS.
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Honestly, I would have liked to keep the phones and sell them, but I don't think it's unreasonable for them to ask for them back in exchange for waiving the fee. That's what the ETF is there to prevent. Otherwise, they would have given me a $500 phone for $99 bucks, and I could just cancel my service and sell it. I think it's a fair offer for letting me out of my contract after only 4 months, and that's why I took it. I was surprised they let me out at all.
Amazon Wireless has all phones for a penny today for new activations, so I grabbed two Rezounds for 2 cents, and activated my new Verizon account!!!!
Going to need a new handle.
I have my Evo and with an AOSP Rom, my 3G is pretty solid, and I am in Bethpage.
Where on LI are you that your 3G is slow?
I live in North Bellmore, and got no reception in my house until they sent me an Airave, and I go to SUNY Old Westbury, where there is literally no reception whatsoever. I have to force roam on Verizon's towers, and that only gives me 1x unless I do the PRL hack. I shouldn't have to pay Sprint to roam on Verizon's towers on 3g, when I can get a better phone, and get Verizon 4g for just a bit more.
Yeah, once you go north of the LIE or NSP, the service blows. I am shocked that the service is bad in NB. My father lives in Wantagh right off of Jerusalem and I still get solid speeds. Just as good as his Droid X2.
Good luck with the Rezound. It's a sweet phone and VZW service is great, just really expensive compared to Sprint. See if SUNY Students get some kinda discount from Big Red. More often than not, there is some sort of price break offered.
I had Verizon before I switched to Sprint in June...Their service is great. I get a 19% discount through my job, and they said they'll put that back on for me once I activate the phones. Nice to get $30 off a month, makes it a bit more reasonable, plus all of Nassau County is 4g enabled. Suffolk County is still only 3g though, which is a bit of a bummer, but w/e....I'm not there that much.
I'm going to give them a call tomorrow and see if I can work something out with them. With full bars of 3G it takes, literally, 1.5-2m for my Facebook home page to load. It's beyond abysmal. Add to that the fact that 4G is listed on their map as everywhere in my town (and yet I've been able to get one bar of it one time anywhere around here) it is useless.
I have no problem handing my phone over, I just want out (especially since Rezounds are $.01 right now ). We'll see, I s'pose.
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I had Verizon before I switched to Sprint in June...Their service is great. I get a 19% discount through my job, and they said they'll put that back on for me once I activate the phones. Nice to get $30 off a month, makes it a bit more reasonable, plus all of Nassau County is 4g enabled. Suffolk County is still only 3g though, which is a bit of a bummer, but w/e....I'm not there that much.
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When i was talking to one of the business sales reps last year, he mentioned that LI east of Rte 110 should be LTE enabled by Q1 2012. Not sure how accurate that info is, but that would be great to have it so quickly.
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I had Verizon before I switched to Sprint in June...Their service is great. I get a 19% discount through my job, and they said they'll put that back on for me once I activate the phones. Nice to get $30 off a month, makes it a bit more reasonable, plus all of Nassau County is 4g enabled. Suffolk County is still only 3g though, which is a bit of a bummer, but w/e....I'm not there that much.
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I haven't had any problem either. I get a pretty fair discount so I can't complain.
Just got off the phone with a retention supervisor and they could not wave the ETF due to data speeds because there was not any guarantee of speed in the contract. I have 15 months left on my contract and I've been with them for 4 years. I am switching to Verizon because it is a lot better in my area. They did offer me a one-time $25 credit but i refused it out of principle. They should let people who want to leave go when they KNOW they cannot compete with verizon. Slowly Verizon will slow down from overuse and the system will balance. Contracts are evil /rant
Just got off the phone with a retention supervisor and they could not wave the ETF due to data speeds because there was not any guarantee of speed in the contract.
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Yes there is, the contract guarantees 3g speeds between 600kbps and 1300kbps when you are within sprint's coverage area. Call back and speak to another retentions rep, or email [email protected] with your situation, and you will get a callback from a rep from his office within 48 hours.
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Yes there is, the contract guarantees 3g speeds between 600kbps and 1300kbps when you are within sprint's coverage area. Call back and speak to another retentions rep, or email [email protected] with your situation, and you will get a callback from a rep from his office within 48 hours.
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I too do not want to "rip-off" sprint but this applies to anywhere where the coverage map says I get coverage, correct?
Sprint just cancelled my services ETC free due to excessive roaming.....go figure.
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Sprint just cancelled my services ETC free due to excessive roaming.....go figure.
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So what network are you on now? You still have the pc36100 tag.
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Yes there is, the contract guarantees 3g speeds between 600kbps and 1300kbps when you are within sprint's coverage area. Call back and speak to another retentions rep, or email [email protected] with your situation, and you will get a callback from a rep from his office within 48 hours.
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Can you provide a source for this? I am getting 2-8 kilobytes per second where i live using sprint. I am already up to 66 gigabytes of roaming data this month (and 30 last month) so I'll probably get kicked soon anyway, but it'd be nice to get out faster. I've called them complaining and trying to get out etf free 3 times and I dont think one more call is going to help without the exact quote. Thanks a bunch.
http://www.ktla.com/business/sns-rt-us-sprint-4gtre7ao1o9-20111125,0,4531202.story
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Doesnt surprise me. It will come sooner or later, always knew that.
Currently Sprint's 4G is run off a third party network and the same can be said for the majority of the new 4G LTE rolling out. So Sprint's actual network will remain relatively unchanged aside from some faster 3G speeds after the upgrades.
People speculated the iPhone would cripple Sprint's network on data but when the majority of Sprint's iPhones users switched from Android the network usage stayed basically the same. Thats where AT&T screwed and lied to the customers saying the excessive use of the iPhone was the reason for the tiered plans.
Data use is data use regardless of iPhone or Android.
I don't think its gonna happen any time in the next 12 - 18 months, Dan is still putting out new commercials bragging about unlimited, its sprints only real advantage over the competition, and just because some "analyst" who doesn't even work for Sprint thinks its gonna happen doesn't mean spit. Especially using switching to LTE as his justification, they didn't drop it when they added wimax why would the drop it because of LTE? Makes no real sense, if they went tiered they'd be shooting their own foot off, how many people would stay if they lost the only reason most of us are on Sprint? I think the person who wrote that article must be mad he signed with Verizon last year for unlimited data and big red shoved it up his ass this summer *shrugs*
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I think the person who wrote that article must be mad he signed with Verizon last year for unlimited data and big red shoved it up his ass this summer *shrugs*
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That made my night, i almost spit my drink onto my laptop from laughing.
I fully expect sprint to eventually end unlimited data, hopefully I can get
grandfathered in on a somewhat future-proof phone before that time. If not,
let the chips fall where they may, because we can't control their decisions,
except with our wallets..and large corporations rarely listen to the paying
customer 'till they get desperate. I'm still contemplating switching to a prepay,
if I can find one with a decent phone, or find one that lets me take my existing
devices with me. Besides, killing iDen, and using that spectrum, plus offloading
some of LTE onto Clearwire's bandwidth will help a little. I don't see Clearwire
complaining a whole lot over the deal, since that means Sprint has no choice
but to keep them afloat in a worst case scenario.
TBH big red really effed my mom a few months back, they set her up with a new plan claiming it would reduce her bill buy 75 a month, her bill was about 275 at that time. Since then her bill has been 400 a month every month and they refuse to fix it. They also sold her devices that were incompatible with her plan and refused to allow her to return them. She's actually contemplating suing them for fraudulent sales practices, its been a nightmare and she's been a customer with them since 1995 pretty ridiculous practices to screw the customer if u ask me
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it's all about marketing and money....
let's see what's happened over time.
1. smartphones come out advertising about how you can use your phone to watch videos and all kinds of other data intensive uses.
2. all the carriers offer unlimited data plans because of all these cool things you can do with them.. no one would have bought them in the first place if they knew they would be metered
3. their networks start to suffer from all the subscribers they've successfully marketed to buy these phones that do all this cool stuff
4. after everyone's bought a smartphone, suddenly the carriers drop the unlimited plans and start charging high prices for small amounts of data, but continue to market you watching videos, making video calls and streaming all this crap.
5. sprint comes out with a novel idea, it starts charging $10 extra just to own a smartphone.. it's reasoning... it can be used to watch videos and other things that suck up data. The very things that all the carriers have been advertising on why you should get a smartphone in the first place.
When you look back, it really sucks the big one. They come out with smartphones and tell everyone all the great things it can do, thus getting millions of people to buy a smartphone. Go crazy everyone, after all, the plans are unlimited, see how cool smartphones are?
Once everyone's bought a phone.. NOW it's time to start cutting everything back that they used to get you to buy the phone in the first place.
It just pisses me off. It's the ole bait and switch. Hey everyone.. check out these cool phones! Look at all these things you can do with them. They market the phones encourgaing you to do all the things that suck up lots of data. Now they've sold everyone a phone, now it's the ole... "I'm sorry, all these people are using their phones doing the things we marketed them to for, but because you're using them that way, we just don't have any bandwidth anymore, so we're going to start charging you by the gig now. And Sprint says.. "hey, we're going to charge you a extra $10 buck a month, just because your phone can do all these wonderful things. Which is why you bought it in the first place
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Currently Sprint's 4G is run off a third party network and the same can be said for the majority of the new 4G LTE rolling out. So Sprint's actual network will remain relatively unchanged aside from some faster 3G speeds after the upgrades.
People speculated the iPhone would cripple Sprint's network on data but when the majority of Sprint's iPhones users switched from Android the network usage stayed basically the same. Thats where AT&T screwed and lied to the customers saying the excessive use of the iPhone was the reason for the tiered plans.
Data use is data use regardless of iPhone or Android.
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Agree 100% ItsLasher.. When ATT changed midway through my contract and tried to screw me with their new pricing/tiers I told them they could shove it over principle. Cancelled my landline (home phone) prior to that over high costs and fees for just local service.
Seems like there is always an excuse for higher prices and tiers.. some kind of .. Its for the children will be next excuse.. LOL
It didnt take a rocket scientist to see how badly ATT was getting ready to screw folks so I sold both iphone 3s, paid early termination to ATT and went to Sprint for 2 EVOs. Best move I have made.. knock on wood.
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The article was written from the standpoint of the analyst. The writer gives all the bad and dramatic news first, which is from the opinion of the analyst. Then proceeds to wedge in one or two comments from Sprint. I can't quote statistics, but I will bet their customer base grew each time both Verizon and ATT changed their pricing policies. Being the third largest already, and the only provider left to offer unlimited, Sprint MUST know they can't change that. Their network isn't expansive enough.
Another thought occurred to me. Content providers must take notice of these changes. They should be tracking network traffic to know who is using the most bandwidth. I read that Netflix accounts for over 70% of cell network traffic. Even if the real figure is less, which it probably is, att and Verizon customers are telling their kids to wait until there is a Wi-Fi access point while Sprint kids are cruising with Netflix on every grocery run. I'd be willing to bet donuts to demographics there are more families with kids at Sprint too because of their pricing policy. If they change it the will lose every market advantage they have.
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Another thought occurred to me. Content providers must take notice of these changes. They should be tracking network traffic to know who is using the most bandwidth. I read that Netflix accounts for over 70% of cell network traffic. Even if the real figure is less, which it probably is, att and Verizon customers are telling their kids to wait until there is a Wi-Fi access point while Sprint kids are cruising with Netflix on every grocery run. I'd be willing to bet donuts to demographics there are more families with kids at Sprint too because of their pricing policy. If they change it the will lose every market advantage they have.
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Exactly my point, why would they get rid of their one selling point? It's like having one good hand and one gimped up hand and amputating the good hand thinking its gonna make the gimped one work better. Eliminating unlimited would probably end sprint for.good so many customers would run so far so fast it would more than likely bankrupt them.
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I totally agree, Sprint would severely be crippled if they got rid of the unlimited data plans. I would rather pay an extra 5 or 10 dollars a month but keep my unlimited data then be capped, as for most people they wouldn't want to pay more money, which I can understand as well. It is a double edged sword. Only time will tell, although where I live I don't get 4g service, so honestly I think Sprint should concentrate on getting 4g in more areas as opposed to upgrading to 4gLTE. That would stimulate more customers switching to Sprint. In my area Sprint is the only carrier without 4g service so a lot of my friends and coworkers use the other carriers. Whereas if Sprint had 4g I'm sure most of my friends would switch, because even tho they pay more with ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile. Sprint doesn't have 4g here so all the phones they want really don't serve much of a purpose to them without 4g. I really don't care about 4g just like the price, plus get I discount thru my employer for Sprint