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Discharging while charging

I am trying to charge my xda using the cradle but i notice that the battery is discharging even though the battery says that its charging. does anyone encountered the same problem? please help.

had this once, are you charging through USB?
Sometimes the charging part of the usb connection would drop out on my cradle, could be fixed by either plugging the charger into the cradle or whacking PC with passing kittens or other soft objects
Turned out my USB port had been knocked at some point and was SLIGHTLY mis-aligned with the case, what the hell was happening INSIDE the case i dont know, but i pulled the USB port back in-line and it worked ok from then on.
I know the chances of it being EXACTLY the same for you are s-l-i-m ... but it may be worth looking at.

Either that or you are using a charger designed for an XDA 1 not 2.
They do exactly what you have just described.

Yup im charging using the USB. I noticed that when you let it discharge until it drains the battery then let it stand in the cradle for a few minutes..the battery will then recharge and regain power

Battery drained out totally while connected to PC

This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.

you are crazy if you:
1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
you can repeat this case endless - xperia will be drained

Dadaism said:
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?

What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.

Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.

Ethermind said:
1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
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1) This was accidently
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
poetryrocksalot said:
Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
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Do you mean standby or powered off? Why should it make any difference? And why does the battery getting drained?
Jasand said:
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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My Battery is quite healthy. *lucky*
jjm34 said:
What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...

Dadaism said:
What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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It is weird. Since your phone was off I don't think it would use any of its battery power.
I have a ThinkPad, and IIRC the BIOS setting is something like "Always On USB", in the USB settings. With this turned on the laptop will power its USB ports even when turned off, as long as the laptop itself has the power cable connected.

Dadaism said:
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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from powered off PC, when power on usb enough to wakeup PC or feed LEDs,
but not to charge another device. in that case power go into the weaker side, means from x1 -> pc

I had this problem too... seems after hard resetting my phone one time, one option was different to normal after I hard reset,
Click on the battery icon at the top of the screen
Theres a tick box, that says:
"When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC."
this was ticked for some reason. Unticked it, and all was fine.
Try it

I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A

Battery
Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.

chinkyeyed09 said:
Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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I assume a turned off PC would only power its USB port power pins and wouldn't respond to any transmissions on the data pins. So to the phone it should look just the same as if it were connected to the wall charger (just probably with a bit less power).
Also, when I have my phone connected to my laptop through USB Internet Sharing it does actually charge (it doesn't connect to ActiveSync when using Internet Sharing).
The device should charge in any USB mode as the USB port's power pins supply power regardless of the protocol used on the data interface.

Does the X1 have no safety feature that does prevent the battery from being drained?
In my case I assumed it happened because of the USB Port had too less power. But when you turn off your PC (+USB power) and let the X1 connected it would still mean a movement of current from the X1 Battery --> inside the PC as long as they are not on the same potential. If the PC is earthed somewhere (for example connected to the wall socket) the Battery would be drained out totally! They never get to the same potential as long the Battery has power.
As jjm34 mentioned, if the PC is on and USB slots powered normally the X1 should charge in any case.
Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty
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I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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It could be:
It's drawing power FROM your x1 to provide power for laptop internal components.

Dadaism said:
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Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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Mine has. Put it on the wall charger and the charging symbol is there. It reaches 100%, the charging symbol disappears and it shows 100. Then in the morning it's at 90% even though it was still on the wall charger.
I've not left it plugged into a 'running' pc or laptop long enough to see if the phone runs off the battery after it's reached 100%, but it shows the same symptoms. Charging symbol until 100%, then it changes to 100%, no more charging symbol.
Even MSVC stops reporting '% & charging', just reports the % level once it's reached 100%.

I made 2 observations :
It seems the X1 need usb data pins active to charge the battery. The wall plug has something enabled to give power to the data pins (by the way, the wall plug can charge an iPod or an iPhone, it works perfectly). I tried using a cheap wall plug bought in china, no way to charge the X1 or my iPod as there was no power on the data pins. So when connected to an off PC, I'm not sure what's happening. If someone can give a try to analyze this with a multimeter, that would be nice.
It seems also the X1 stop charging after going to 100 %, and won't charge anymore unless you unplug - replug it.

Thanks for your contribution.
Maybe there exists a real hardware failure.
Normally the X1 should charge until the Battery reaches the 100% level. Then there has to be a switch that prevents the Battery from getting overloaded which is good. So charging stops.
The switch blocks charging until you unplug the device once it has reached the full battery level. Thats ok, too. You should not loose much Battery after a full charge and with a device on standby or powered off. And it prevents the Battery getting reloaded at high percentages. Otherwise it would start charging at 99% and stop again at 100 and so on, all the time.
But now assume the switch has sometimes, somehow a failure.
Instead of preventing current to get inside the battery it enables that current can flow into the wall charger.
I do not expect that the current flows into the power outlet. Maybe it gets "lost" in the current transformer that you've plugged into the power outlet (Thats the one you plugged the USB cable in.). Lost means it simply gets warm / hot.
Measuring the current with a Multimeter would be a nice proof. If someone has the technical knowledge and qualification to disassemble the current transformer and the USB cable, you have the go .

I haven't tested it, but I doubt the current flows back into the charger, or back into the USB port on a laptop / pc.

But how does the Battery discharge then? When there is no current flowing out it will stay loaded. (it goes like d(q)/dt+div(j)=0 )

Did you all charge your phone while it is on (standby)? I noticed the same problem when I charged my x1 while it is standby. When I pull the plug from my laptop (I used my laptop for charging, laptop powered on), I get 90% battery life. It seems like there is a switch to cut out the power input if the battery reaches 100% and power the phone from the battery.
Try to charge your phone while it is off. I did it yesterday, and it had stopped charging even before I unplug it from wall output, and I got 100% battery life.
Btw, this is not confirmed yet... it is just based on my experience...

Now my phone won't charge

Totally stock (but i don't think it matters).
Plug the phone in, orange LED comes on.
Hold it or place in on the counter five seconds later, LED is off.
Had the phone since 6/4.
Anyone else having issues?

Are you using the AC charger ? I have two Evos and one of the chargers does what you are describing. The orange LED comes on and then goes off after a while and the phone stops charging. Does it on both phones, the other charger works fine with both usb cables.

Are you using the USB charger with a computer or laptop or plugging straight into the wall with an AC charger?
This does make a difference because if you are charging with a USB + laptop combination you could be suffering from the computer going to sleep and disabling the USB ports power to conserve laptop battery life. If you are having the issue when plugging into the wall, try plugging into a computer and selecting the "Charge Only" option when your USB debug comes up. Once it does this, allow it to charge for a period of time and then turn the phone off, switch to AC power plug and see what happens.
Perhaps you had some kind of over voltage spike on the charger through the AC plug. I could see it possibly tripping something in the phone to stop taking charge to protect the handset.
Also make sure if you do use a laptop, use a USB 2.0 or better port. More power and faster connection. Gotta love it.

Your charger may not be sourcing enough current anymore (for whatever reason). I have seen the exact same behavior with USB car chargers that were only sourcing 100-150mA.
Have you tried plugging the USB cable into a modern desktop PC? (Some laptops have reduced current ports, so a desktop is a safer bet)

Its definitely a current issue. I tried to charge my phone using my bluetooth headset's wall charger, but I got the behavior you are describing. The bluetooth headset's charger just doesnt put out enough current.
Are you using the charger that came with the phone? if so, you may want to exchange the charger...

im having the same problem when i connect it to my desktop, it sees it for about 2 secs n then disappears. My computer at work has no problem seeing the phone. i wonder if i need a driver or something for my usb ports, anyone have any ideas??

tarheelsmj12001 said:
im having the same problem when i connect it to my desktop, it sees it for about 2 secs n then disappears. My computer at work has no problem seeing the phone. i wonder if i need a driver or something for my usb ports, anyone have any ideas??
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Probably not a driver issue, but that that rail from the power supply is either undervolted (say 4.6V instead of 5V), or can't provide enough current (amperage) or both. If I recall correctly, the Evo needs 5V @ 1A (+/- 3% tolerance).

Phone not charging
my phone has been charging fine since I got it... even been using the night desk clock app while sleeping at night for the alarm with it plugged in... everything was good...
With my phone about to die today, I plug it in to the wall charger, the led/batter indicator shows that it is charging... then POW.. it says I have a low battery and it needs to be plugged in... WTH??? it is plugged in!
The only thing I did today was flash the new boot.img for the cap fix over in Toast's thread...
Weird thing now is that I took my hero battery and put it in my EVO, plugged it into wall charger, and it stays charging... So, I put my EVO battery in my hero, plugged it in, and whola... it's now charging...
Please help as I am baffled.

MILH0U5E said:
The only thing I did today was flash the new boot.img for the cap fix over in Toast's thread...
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that's your problem right there. that custom kernel is known to have charging issues.

I'm having the same issue with my car charger consistently. Plus my AC charger less consistently. For example, I'll go to bed and plug it in, the next morning I wake up and see the phone is at 80% charge and isn't charging. At some point over night, it gave up. This is with the stock charger too.

Hd2 not getting charged!!!! Pls help me

Hi Folks,
My HTC HD2 Android not getting charged either by a wall charger or usb via my pc... i dont what happened suddenly it got turned off due to low battery and when i pluged it for chrging its not showing orange LED notification of charging. when its off and plugged in Orange LED blinked once and Phone got switched on. And when its connected to PC for abt 3 mins it will show charging and after that it shows discharging and battery drains when it shows it discharging . pls help me out coz i dont want to loose my Leo .
Thanx in advance,,,,

Check the pins at the phone which connects to the battery. Sometimes they are deformed and this cause the charging/not charging problem.
But... in this case I don't think this is the problem, because this problem should not affect direct charging from usb cable.
Anyway check them just for sure!

Thanks VDodi
VDodi said:
Check the pins at the phone which connects to the battery. Sometimes they are deformed and this cause the charging/not charging problem.
But... in this case I don't think this is the problem, because this problem should not affect direct charging from usb cable.
Anyway check them just for sure!
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I tried diff cables but its the same...

Magldr doesn't support charging when phone is off.

Nigeldg said:
Magldr doesn't support charging when phone is off.
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so if your phone dies how do you get it to charge?

Wdustin1 said:
so if your phone dies how do you get it to charge?
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Best way is not to let it run out
However, normally it will have enough charge left once it dies to boot up far enough to start charging. If this is not the case, then you have to cut open a USB cable and use the red and black wires to charge the battery. I have not had to do this and am unsure as to how to do it but there are tutorials. It seems simple enough.

Sarathdna said:
Hi My HTC HD2 Android not getting charged either by a wall charger or usb via my pc... i dont what happened suddenly it got turned off due to low battery and when i pluged it for chrging its not showing orange LED notification of charging.
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Consider, as was previously suggested, a cable connection issue.
While you do not currently have the luxury of looking at your status icons, I have found that, on occasion, when I plugged in the phone to charge, the status icon indicated a USB connection, rather than a charging icon. Unplugging the cable and re-inserting the cable fixed it.
Note that new high quality cables can exhibit the same issue.
You have nothing to lose... Give it a shot.
Good luck.
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Nigeldg said:
I have not had to do this and am unsure as to how to do it but there are tutorials. It seems simple enough.
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Take out battery, plug chopped up USB cable into wall charger, use fingers to hold red to + black to -, count to twenty, battery in phone, phone into bootloader, real charger cable into phone and wall charger, leave 10 mins, reboot into android. (Can charge all the way in bootloader, but it seems slower than when android is running.)

samsamuel said:
Take out battery, plug chopped up USB cable into wall charger, use fingers to hold red to + black to -, count to twenty, battery in phone, phone into bootloader, real charger cable into phone and wall charger, leave 10 mins, reboot into android. (Can charge all the way in bootloader, but it seems slower than when android is running.)
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By 'tutorials on how to do this' I basically meant your posts

As previously said if you're using magldr you need to be booted into Android before the phone will charge. You can try to warm the battery up in your hands to squeeze the last bit of power out of it to boot up. Or there are standalone hd2 battery charges you can buy from eBay that charge your battery outside of the phone, they're pretty cheap.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

As Samuel said you can charge phone in bootloader. Just try!

Had to buy external charger
item # M00366 this charger was cheap has led's that change from red to blue as the battery charges and has a usb port so you can charge a battery in phone at the same time.
I'd been alternating tween an extended battery and the original when my HD2 started discharging while plugged in. same batteries and nearly a year of typhoon's excellent ROM progression then wham dead batteries....

Charging Problem

I am having trouble charging my tablet. When the tablet is on, I am unable to charge with either the POGO or USB cable. I have also tried other wall chargers for cell phones. I was not using any roms, but had tried out the ktmantra kernel. I have since wiped my tablet using a factory 4.2.2 image from google and am still having the charging problem.
The only way I am able to charge is by charging with the tablet off. It also takes ages to charge (12+hours). Any ideas on what could be causing this? When I plug the POGO cable in, it says it is charging, but the battery percentage continues to drop.

ab325 said:
I am having trouble charging my tablet. When the tablet is on, I am unable to charge with either the POGO or USB cable. I have also tried other wall chargers for cell phones. I was not using any roms, but had tried out the ktmantra kernel. I have since wiped my tablet using a factory 4.2.2 image from google and am still having the charging problem.
The only way I am able to charge is by charging with the tablet off. It also takes ages to charge (12+hours). Any ideas on what could be causing this? When I plug the POGO cable in, it says it is charging, but the battery percentage continues to drop.
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I've readed some comment on another forum from an user that has the same proble, but for him it takes about 10h. Not sure what's wrong.

Are you not able to charge at all or just very slowly? I just noticed that my Nexus is charging very slowly with the Pogo cable I purchased. I may try going back to the usb cable to verify that the problem is with the cable and not with the tablet.

I was getting very slow charge rates with my usb charger. Around 12 hour charge times even when completely powered off. Anyway, my problem was with using a USB extension cable. Since I started plugging it directly into the wall I've been seeing charge times in the 5-6 hour range. My iPad never had an issue with it, but whatever! You might also try a different wall outlet.
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I cant seem to solve this problem. I have tried using pogo and usb cables with two different chargers. I have also tried using different wall mounted phone chargers. I am not able to get any positive charge while the tablet is on. Using the battery monitor widget, I used to see a +1800 charge with the pogo, and a bit less with the usb cable. Now, the highest I get is -500.
I am only able to charge when the tablet is off, although very slowly. I had it charging all night, and it is now at 60%
When I plug the pogo cable in, the tablet will say it is charging, but it really isnt doing anything.
Any ideas?

ab325 said:
I cant seem to solve this problem. I have tried using pogo and usb cables with two different chargers. I have also tried using different wall mounted phone chargers. I am not able to get any positive charge while the tablet is on. Using the battery monitor widget, I used to see a +1800 charge with the pogo, and a bit less with the usb cable. Now, the highest I get is -500.
I am only able to charge when the tablet is off, although very slowly. I had it charging all night, and it is now at 60%
When I plug the pogo cable in, the tablet will say it is charging, but it really isnt doing anything.
Any ideas?
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Recalibrate battery? It's probably not going to work though. RMA the tablet as a last resort.
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How can I recalibrate the battery?
Im in Europe until June, so Im assuming it wont be easy to RMA.

There is also a strange thing going on with the usb cable. My computer is unable to detect it as a storage device. When I plug the charger in, it will not show up as charging when the tablet is on. But, I am able to access the tablet via fastboot.

Where is that oficial pogo charger from samsgoogle? 4 month and counting... 2 Biggest companies în the world are unable to produce a simple cable... Hillarious
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The N10 charger is a 2 amp charger and most phone chargers are 1 amp chargers. The N10 will charge slowly with a 1 amp charger if it is powered off, however it needs 2 amps to run the N10 and charge at the same time. Also I have found that not all USB cables are created equal, you may want to try another usb cable. I do not know anything about the pogo chargers. Hope this helps.