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Dear Eris Users who Are Waiting for Root,
I'd like to start by addressing all of you as a large audience. I may ask certain groups to leave. I hope they will respect that wish and then come back and join the larger group when I am done with each piece.
We all got the Droid Eris from Verizon. We all got it for different reasons. A lot of you, if not all of you, are here because you wanted an HTC phone that was rooted. You wanted the custom roms, the themes, the su privileges. This shining aura that was "root" was so appealing, that you took a plunge and bought the device before any work was really done on that. Now, some of you feel that you should receive, neigh, deserve root. I am so saddened by what this community, Eris users, not XDA, has turned into. The disbelievers, the demanders; what are you still doing here, complaining? Just leave if you have something mean to say.
To everyone: I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you don't have something important, information wise/helpful, to say on the forum, then don't post at all. I try to keep my fingers off the keyboard, and I have for a long time, but I cannot hold my silence. I used to post every day. I used to be excited to get onto XDA and see if something new had happened while I was away. When we got our own section of the forum, I was overjoyed! (Not really, but we needed a section) We had a pristine new subforum to play around in, and we trashed it. Our original root thread had to be closed because of how off topic and ridiculous it was. Our new thread has gone to crap and turned more into a flame war, than a place where we are looking for exploits and posting findings. Sadly, I wouldn't blame XDA for shutting that one down too. We, as a whole, have alienated developers and are now in danger of not getting root for a number of reasons.
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business. Also, those who feel like it's not worth it to wait around, just leave. Don't make an exit if you're sitting around and not helping but you feel the need to announce that you are fed up, or tired of it. Root will come eventually. There has yet to be an android phone that hasn't been hacked, and we will not be the first one.
Lastly, I'm tired of the "HTC NEEDS to release the source code because it's our right to have it" argument. Sure, the source would help, but the iPhone has been hacked again and again and again with no source code. It comes down to good developers, and a thankful community. So, please stop riding that bandwagon. The source code will get here eventually, but you have to be patient.
To those of you who have been helpful: Thank you. To anyone who tried an exploit and posted findings, thank you. To anyone who compiled an exploit, who dumped their phone, who offered help, incite, or even a "keep it up", thank you. That's what a good hacking community does.
To Jmanly, Binny, Zifnab, rigamrts and others: Thank you for everything you've done to help us out. You are all a tribute to being a good forum member. We would not even be a fraction of where we are without Jmanly's guidance and it was sad to see him leave.
Where to go from here: I think we need to restart. Create a new thread where no negative talk will occur, people will only post things that help move us forward and people post their thanks to those who are doing all of us a favor. None of us deserve root. It's not owed to us because we got the phone. We should all be thankful for what some people with the know-how are doing for us. That should be all I have to say. I hope we can change a little bit for the better and maybe we can get back to trying to root.
-Video
Well said!
This is well put.
I can never quite understand the flaming or negative stuff.
I learned when I started out in WinMo Xperia Threads that people hassling or acting "Entitled" while you are working hard on a Mod or Rom or anything can be quite disheartening.
If it can be agreed upon, I would like to open a new thread, for root status and updates. (hopefully for the last time)
Or I can just add it to the bounty thread that is already open (I know and understand that most of us do this for the love of hacking and modding and out of a sense of community, but it is also a nice gesture and could really help someone that devotes time and effort to this)???
I would monitor it constantly and report any flaming and abuse to one of our great moderators immediatley.
What do you think?
here's how i felt when i first got my eris.
i was like great now i can see what's up and possibly help get root for the new addopters cause i did not get my g1 durring the first run. i missed out on the fun times of all the posts of people trying to hack the phone.
so when i first landed in the eris waters it was great the late night whiteboard sessions were fun throwing any idea no matter how idiotic it sounded and going to town. then we had our first 2 casualties jman and me cause some one took it apon himself to attack a guy who didn't even have our phone and was willing to help.
then we had today where that same person took it on himself to flame another dev the same way. now the 7 day ban might calm him down or send the message not to come back. but i thought it sould have been a perma-ban cause of past actions plus the disrespecting of a mod which is a no no. that mod i respect cause he acted profesionally and gave the community hope that this type of behavior will not be tollorated.
hopefully if things keep going in a positive direction i might jump back into fold but feel very heartbroken cause of the few bad apples.
Awesome post
as acid said, very well put.
i too never understood why not just in the "eris" section but yet in any section people have demanded such items to be released.
I agree with rigamrts, I have watched this board with aw in some of the things people have said to one another. If I had root to this phone I would P.M. the members I wanted to have it just to keep out the ones that act childish. But then wouldn't I be just as childish? So I would just stop, Do my own thing, and wait as a few of the people here have done. People with no interest in this device have nothing to lose by leaving besides maybe hearing their friend saying "come on man, come back. We won't let that happen again." Its a shame this happened in our community but as with the physical community I live in there are jerks. People that you wish would leave on their own accord but stick around with T.P. stuck to their shoes looking like idiots. Anyways, thanks for the help, keep working, and feel free to leave if things get retarded again. I would do the same.
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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i could create a bolg on one of my unused email account
I think that moving the thread to the new one should work..
We have a couple of moderators all over this now..
And I can update everyday
I need you guys to update me on what to put im the 1st post so that we can get back on track
I think the blog is a great idea but the thing is we also need to keep the discussion here at XDA, the place that originally got us together. If we don't keep the support here we won't have a well known place to meet new Eris users that could potentially help. We can't do that because of one bad apple, this Is our meeting place and we need to show XDA the respect by continuing to trust their mods to do their jobs. Ya that guy should have been permanently banned but he wasn't so let's not punish XDA for that decision. My two pennies.
I agree that we need to hang out at XDA, but I also feel that we could move to somewhere where we can bounce around ideas without people hijacking threads or starting flame wars. I'm not trying to keep people in the dark, I just want to try a different place. Oh, and I'd like some people who know what they're doing to sign on. I'm just a visionary, I can't code. Haha
Ok guys here is the deal after what happend today I am a little upset I spend hours each day searching the web for exploits, why... to help. Here is what I may do, I might buy some webspace and set up a area for us to work together on. I am going to see if Jman will will join us, this is just a idea for right now. I will let you guys know when I clear my head.
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
Clear ur head man...take care
When ya come back.head over to the new no flaming thread
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Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
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rigamrts.blogspot.com
just set up one for us.
Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
CPCookieMan said:
Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Good Stuff Cookie...
Come over to the new thread an help us out
Its in my sig...
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business.
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Video I can agree where you are comming from, it does suck the fun out of the puzzle of rooting the device with all the flaming and demanding. But on the other side where I am, I am not a programmer or a linux genius. So we almost feel like leechers taking your work with out compensation for it. So the Pool for the dev that roots the Eris is our attempt to do our part in the give take relationship we have in this community.
Sure I could spend hours and hours and hope to get where you guys are or I can offer my monitary thanks for all your work.
I am not trying to point this thread in the wrong direction and I don't want to see a bunch of "I agree" replies. Just want to convey our side, the noobs and amatures that can't do the things that you do.
I am waiting patiently and if there is anything we the non-dev's can do let us know.
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Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
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I have my own web server that we can use. Let me know if you want to set something up.
would a google wave account work i have invites?
Wow, i take a look at these forums compared to where i am from, and i am blown away There are so many active developers, and so many contributors.. i will admit that i am minorly jealous
I come from the land of the Continuum, this phone's little sister... Which, in my opinion, has great potential to be such a great phone
But, over at our forums.... There has been a whole lot of "null" when it comes to development... We have our one Dev who has committed himself to us, and we highly appreciate him and all he does<3
But, i was curious if, even for a day or to, a couple of the amazing, talented, and honestly great Devs over hear could come and take a slight peek at our phone?
I would normally find this rude, to intrude on this whole different society like this, but since these phones are so much alike, i was hoping it wouldn't be that much trouble
If any of you devs are even considering helping our poor souls out, you will find that we over at the Continuum homebase have a pretty realible and dedicated testing ground.. Alot of people are willing to put there "stuff" on the line to help out with anything you want us to do...
Our source code is on the samsung website, we have a couple dumps, we have root, and we have a (for the most part) working CWM...
If anyone is willing to help,
Thank you very much
I'd be willing to come back if someone would set Bubby323 in his place and tell him to knock off the bull****.
Last time I tried to help, i got an inbox full of PMs of him arguing with me, and trying to one up me, and one time, even blatantly telling me not to release cwm to continuum users because HE wanted to.
Then a straight week of "help me" pms so he can get his kernel compiled properly.
If you guys can set him straight, I'll come back and see if I can help. Otherwise, you are allowing a 14 year old kid ruin the chances of the phone getting any help. I'm not gonna compete with nonsense.
Delete me....
I vote for you to please come back, don't let others with childish behavior ruin it for the rest of us. We sure needs your experties with kernel and ROMs to help us out. I hope to see 2.2 updates soon.
Please consider
Thanks
Adrynalyne, I'm with you 100%. Bubby has contributed NOTHING, and does not run the place. I might be willing to test some things on my phone, however the last modifications I made to my Continuum bricked it, so I'm going to be wary with this device. The Eris was a trooper and took a lot of abuse. The Continuum seems to be a bit more dainty.
This is exactly why i don't put my tine and effort into a communtiy that doesn't deserve it for the good people here you know who you are, the people that have gotten to know me, they know how i am. I come here to try and help you guys out and i get pelted in the face because im not doing anything? Pardon me for wanting to develope for you guys and expand my knowledge. I go to ask someone wiser than me for help and i get told that im too young. It always goes back to that, that in to young like are makes a diffrence. I ask for help understanding something i want to comprehend and im refused an explanation based on my age. Glad to know that the community is so kind. Not. Im not going to give up and leave you guys so others can say through out the fact im too young and couldn't do anything anyways. Im still here and im not leaving.
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bubby323 said:
This is exactly why i don't put my tine and effort into a communtiy that doesn't deserve it
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just felt like quoting that
I just posted a root method on the continuum board that worked on my wifes phone tonight.
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Officially, jt and adryn are my fav devs. So take care of those two and they will take care of you.
I vote for you to come back and helps us out adrynalyne of course that is if you want to. Like TrailBlazer said we have alot of people inlcuding my self that are willing to do alot of testing on there phones.
You're IRC channel is empty, I feel so alone
Its pretty dead everywhere. I posted a cwm package for folks to try early yesterday on xda and there is still no response.
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bubby323 said:
This is exactly why i don't put my tine and effort into a communtiy that doesn't deserve it for the good people here you know who you are, the people that have gotten to know me, they know how i am. I come here to try and help you guys out and i get pelted in the face because im not doing anything? Pardon me for wanting to develope for you guys and expand my knowledge. I go to ask someone wiser than me for help and i get told that im too young. It always goes back to that, that in to young like are makes a diffrence. I ask for help understanding something i want to comprehend and im refused an explanation based on my age. Glad to know that the community is so kind. Not. Im not going to give up and leave you guys so others can say through out the fact im too young and couldn't do anything anyways. Im still here and im not leaving.
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Bubby...
Thank you for everything you have done, and hopefully will do..
I have no doubt that you have decent intentions for us, and i appreciate all that you are trying to do..
But lets put all this behind us, okay? We over at the Continuum boards want development, and we would really appreciate both you and Adry working on it I mean, we are spoiled We would rather have double development So, please... We don't mean anything bad by it, we just want some things getting done, you know?
oh, and get on IRC..
adrynalyne: I tested it and it worked! Thank you so much! (My reply was in the Continuum forum)
What is happening to this community?
What is with all the complaining ALL the time? This community is falling apart and we are all responsible for that. It seems all anyone ever does is complain about EVERY little tiny thing... We actually have it pretty good. Most of the Epic users will be on stock ROM's for the life of their phones. We have the opportunity to use, create and share something much better. The developers here at XDA are top notch and clearly do a better job then both Sprint and Samsung seem to be capable of...and yet we still find things to complain about and people to criticize. Why is that??
Speaking of the developers here, they put a HUGE amount of time and sometimes money (hosting ect) into providing all of us something truly useful and a big step up from what we would otherwise be stuck with. The attitude of "entitlement" needs to shift to something more like being "grateful" for what is provide here, FREE of charge.
Sure some developers have an off XDA website but so what. If it doesn't violate the rules then WHO CARES. Speaking for myself ONLY, I have very good reasons for redirecting (and I do believe I meet the requirements) traffic to my blog and they don't revolve around money. If you don't like the "inconvenience" of being redirected then don't use my ROM's. I can't please everyone..no matter how hard I may try. The way I personally view it is if I can find the time in my life to put this stuff together for anyone that wants to use it then you should be able to find the extra few minutes it takes click the link and follow it to my blog. That is the only thing I ask for all the time I freely give to this.
Quite frankly, we as the members of the XDA community need to reevaluate things. The developers DONATE their time (and some have precious little of it) and energy to HELP all of you... This whole "entitled" attitude and the "God complexes" some people have developed is a bit disturbing. I won't speak for anyone but myself but in my opinion, the sheer amount of time that goes into these releases completely eclipses the few minutes it takes to redirect to another site for a link (again as long as it doesn't violate the rules). Instead of complaining about EVERYTHING be GRATEFUL your not stuck on a stock ROM....
Many people can't even be bothered to click the Thanks button or read the directions.. I personally like helping you all out if my limited knowledge can be useful but I'm starting to become to frustrated to care anymore and I do really try to stay positive. All of this drama revolves around a phone....a phone people. There are WAY bigger things going on around you right now to get this worked up about a phone..... If you need some perspective on life please feel free to read my blog.
We can do better... I know we are all capable of better... When crap threads get started don't dignify them by commenting, just move past it. Report it if you want and more on... We should all take some pride in all the accomplishments this community achieved.
For my part, I will continue to help, learn and contribute to this community while spreading Autism Awareness..... What will you do?
Amen brother!
Gotta agree with you 100%. I came from another forum and a WinMo phone, and the community was much more supportive and friendly. The only reason I stay is because of a few excellent developers here. Not sure why XDA is getting so unpleasant, but we could use a little more tolerance here.
(Hope that doesn't get me banned)
Well said. Its all free why complain. I am not a developer but I have tried every rom on here and it seems to me most of the roms have a little bit of work from all the devs......so why the bickering. I also have to imagine most devs do this as kind of a hobby, why else do it there is almost nothing to be gained other than the challenge of improving on something that a manufacturer didn't get quite right (not baashing sammy every phone has its own issues or xda probably wouldn't be so popular).
That being said I just started using midnight, nice rom man. But besides that I started reading your blog about a month ago, it really makes me step back and take a look at things differently. I don't post much on this site cuz I have little to actually contribute but your right there are bigger things than a rom to get worked up over.
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I think you and all the devs do an awesome job personally. Honestly any problem I've ever had has been solved just by searching for literally less then 5 minutes. I hardly need to ask questions because the devs and testers are so quick to answer any question. I absolutely LOVE how my phone runs and works.
Any negative threads I just...ignore. No point in them really.
So ya THANKS to you and all the devs.
I know when i was on my tp2 and flashing roms even tho how much a pos that phone was compared to this amazing phone we have now and the awesome roms we have
i have been happy and not complaining about anything on my epic.
If people dont like samsung then go buy something else i personally been fed up with htc hardware..
As for redirecting to sites, i have no problem doing that a all and i like reading your blog @ptfdmedic i always goto your site if im looking for a flashable zip or news, even tho i dont use your rom
i appreciate all your hard work and your autism awareness.
This community is for people who want to experiment with your phone and make it better, so if you happen to have an issue dont complain instead search read instructions and dont be lazy and ***** at samsung software glitches and what not considering our amazing developers here usually have some fixes within a few hours of the bug report.
AMAZING
Thanks to all the developers
For making my epic truly epic and better then any phone out atm.
Agreed!!
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
The issues described reflect a larger societal issue. We cannot change people, so the best tools are forum moderators and users setting a good example.
iSaint said:
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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u say this after you take your so called "Toothpaste" ad out of your signature. lmao
I agree with you pftmedic. Thanks for that speech. I hope.more.people will read it and realize what you said. Why get worked up cause you have to.make 2 extra clicks to download a rom for FREE!! I also wanted to say that I.love reading your blogs Rob and my prayers are with you and your family. I really enjoyed the story about the man at the grocery store. That was very touching and you had me emotional. I know your goal is to try to get autism awareness out there so people can understand it. I don't know anyone that has autism so I never really knew about it. I just wanted to let u know that you opened up my eyes to autism and I.live reading your stories. Thanks for being such an inspiration to us when we are feeling overwhelmed with something. I will continue to pray for you and your family and God bless your little angels.
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Agreed!!
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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...comedic relief.....
Perhaps sometimes people need a place to vent and work out their stress. I know, do it elsewhere, not here......
Thank you for saying what a lot of us have been thinking.
Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.
stir fry a lot said:
Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.
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I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.
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I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.
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Well said my friend
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Thanks, it is appreciated. I agree with the complaints thing. It's part of the reason I don't post too often. Except to thank.
Yea i was "joking"
Keepin it Constructive
Thanks buddy - well said! Hope this connects with the right folks.
Well said ptfdmedic, I agree that there are many people who feel entitled here. Maybe I come across that way without feeling like I do but I try my best not to. I don't hit the thanks button much but I am fairly new here and I am not used to it. As for redirecting to your site, I actually like being redirected there, I read 50 pages of your blog the other night and it was eyeopening. My father works in special-ed and the kids he works with are at Eliot's level, it was interesting to read just how further the continuum goes.
Id like to politely ask all members not to flame posts. Could we possibly get the devs to stay in this forum and work together to make the best roms possible for this phone. We have vry talented devs who do fantastic work, but with all the conflict and fighting lately, i think its forgotten that google shares with everyone to further the advancement of this os. If all the devs looked at this with googles perspective, there would be no fightin. You guys all do great work, lets keep it all at xda. Ive visited several of these new forums, all i hear are crickets. Xda gives devs a place to post their work and get good feedback. With all good comes the bad, unfortunatly any idiot can own a phone and a pc. Those idiots make things difficult, but it should be left up to the mods to revoke flamers abilities to post. Ive been a member longer than most everyone reading this post by 2 years, ive used 3 phones on xda and seen good devs come and go. Im a 42 yr old father of 2, i have to put up with immature crap all the time with my kids. Can everyone, including myself, just suck it up, act mature, and continue to make this the best android forum of all the phones? Thank you for reading. Peace.
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i pretty much agree donny, but i mean at the same time, if these devs wanna get all pissed off and not take the higher road, then let them leave. those forums will have maybe 20 members, and their work will reach ONLY those 20 members. at XDA, it could reach the world, plain and simple. it's up to them where they want to host their work, and it's up to them whether or not they want to be private, public, or take the "i'm taking my ball and going home" road.
I agree.. these people that basically go in these guys threads and proceed to blow them to try and get them to stay is just pumping their head up more. It seems like this has turned into some sort of competition rather than a place to share and develop for our phones. I appreciate all the work the devs do but my life won't be over if some of them stopped doing what they do. If devs stay or leave its really not that hard to take 5 min and register for another website and add another bookmark. If you like someone's work follow them and if you don't like their work let them leave. It's pretty simple. Act like adults and stop crying over people making decisions about THEIR work.
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Glad to see things have settled back down here. Nice to see most devs back, now if only the flamers can stay out of threads, id be perfect. Thanks everyone for making this place cool again.
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Dev's Rock!
I really do appreciate all the hard work all the Dev's have put into this. I would never flame or tell any of them that their work sucked, ever! They have made this phone an absolute joy to own and mess with in my spare time.
Thanks to all the Dev's for all their hard work.
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I really do appreciate all the hard work all the Dev's have put into this. I would never flame or tell any of them that their work sucked, ever! They have made this phone an absolute joy to own and mess with in my spare time.
Thanks to all the Dev's for all their hard work.
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I agree.
Brb, building a pedestal
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Brb, building a pedestal
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I am building a golden calf. Ha ha
If there was a serious issue here at XDA then it could be valid to get pissy, but not for the reasons they are.
Ah well, things move on. I noticed SR4.3 has a much smaller following over at his forum and I haven't bothered to check any other developers who left but I'd imagine it's the same.
There is a lot of development going on and a lot of ROM's so maybe they want to stand out a little more by trying to drag users over to their forum? I don't really get why so I think it's more ego based, then again that's part of the reason why many continue customizing and updating their ROM's.
So apparently XDA has all these problems?
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I'll try keep this short.
First off, I'd like to apologize to @nitroglycerine33 and his team for being a part of the group who complained about the way his ROM worked. I was the first to complain about compatibility issues with Xposed, and I'm afraid I opened up the proverbial can of worms. Second, I'd like to apologize to the other users for being part of the reason he quit. That was never my intention, and I deeply regret that it came to this.
I never have felt any sense of entitlement and have always been appreciative of the work that ROM devs do. I also donate whenever I really love a ROM. I do this out of my own desire to help the developers I appreciate, anonymously and gratefully, because I know they do this for free and it takes a lot of work and time. Every ROM I've ever used has been fully functional without purchasing some kind of control center app, yet "Donations are not expected but always greatly appreciated" in those cases, and I donate because I want to. Not because I need to in order to make things work. This is my opinion, and I don't really care what people think one way or the other. Some will agree, and some will disagree. That's life.
Regardless of what I think on the "in app purchase" approach that Nitro has chosen, I still feel like a double douche for being a part of his departure and ruining the fun for everyone else. I really feel bad about all of this. That's why I'm publicly asking @MikeChannon to delete my account. Peace out, XDA.
arrtoodeetoo said:
I'll try keep this short.
First off, I'd like to apologize to @nitroglycerine33 and his team for being a part of the group who complained about the way his ROM worked. I was the first to complain about compatibility issues with Xposed, and I'm afraid I opened up the proverbial can of worms. Second, I'd like to apologize to the other users for being part of the reason he quit. That was never my intention, and I deeply regret that it came to this.
I never have felt any sense of entitlement and have always been appreciative of the work that ROM devs do. I also donate whenever I really love a ROM. I do this out of my own desire to help the developers I appreciate, anonymously and gratefully, because I know they do this for free and it takes a lot of work and time. Every ROM I've ever used has been fully functional without purchasing some kind of control center app, yet "Donations are not expected but always greatly appreciated" in those cases, and I donate because I want to. Not because I need to in order to make things work. This is my opinion, and I don't really care what people think one way or the other. Some will agree, and some will disagree. That's life.
Regardless of what I think on the "in app purchase" approach that Nitro has chosen, I still feel like a double douche for being a part of his departure and ruining the fun for everyone else. I really feel bad about all of this. That's why I'm publicly asking @MikeChannon to delete my account. Peace out, XDA.
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I give you an applause, you know you have done wrong and it takes someone with compassion and big balls to apologize in a open forum, kodoo's too you
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You guys are seriously taking things a little too far. I took the rom off of XDA.. I didn't kill development for it...
nitroglycerine33 said:
You guys are seriously taking things a little too far. I took the rom off of XDA.. I didn't kill development for it...
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It looks like there's still a ROM for 4.4.2 that you have just not the 4.4 ROM. I used your eclipse ROM on my gs4 with it being close to aosp but I was always doing something to the gs4 and decided to finally got a more stock android feel with this. Thanks for all your work.
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arrtoodeetoo said:
I'll try keep this short.
First off, I'd like to apologize to @nitroglycerine33 and his team for being a part of the group who complained about the way his ROM worked. I was the first to complain about compatibility issues with Xposed, and I'm afraid I opened up the proverbial can of worms. Second, I'd like to apologize to the other users for being part of the reason he quit. That was never my intention, and I deeply regret that it came to this.
I never have felt any sense of entitlement and have always been appreciative of the work that ROM devs do. I also donate whenever I really love a ROM. I do this out of my own desire to help the developers I appreciate, anonymously and gratefully, because I know they do this for free and it takes a lot of work and time. Every ROM I've ever used has been fully functional without purchasing some kind of control center app, yet "Donations are not expected but always greatly appreciated" in those cases, and I donate because I want to. Not because I need to in order to make things work. This is my opinion, and I don't really care what people think one way or the other. Some will agree, and some will disagree. That's life.
Regardless of what I think on the "in app purchase" approach that Nitro has chosen, I still feel like a double douche for being a part of his departure and ruining the fun for everyone else. I really feel bad about all of this. That's why I'm publicly asking @MikeChannon to delete my account. Peace out, XDA.
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We all appreciate an apology if you feel things went too far and it shows you care about things and XDA in particular.
Given what @nitroglycerine33 has posted above, I wonder if deleting your account is really the right thing to do. Hopefully we are all able to debate things sensibly without anybody feeling the only honorable thing to do is leave. Maybe we can respect each others points of view and still remain welcome here?
Mike
arrtoodeetoo said:
I'll try keep this short.
First off, I'd like to apologize to @nitroglycerine33 and his team for being a part of the group who complained about the way his ROM worked. I was the first to complain about compatibility issues with Xposed, and I'm afraid I opened up the proverbial can of worms. Second, I'd like to apologize to the other users for being part of the reason he quit. That was never my intention, and I deeply regret that it came to this.
I never have felt any sense of entitlement and have always been appreciative of the work that ROM devs do. I also donate whenever I really love a ROM. I do this out of my own desire to help the developers I appreciate, anonymously and gratefully, because I know they do this for free and it takes a lot of work and time. Every ROM I've ever used has been fully functional without purchasing some kind of control center app, yet "Donations are not expected but always greatly appreciated" in those cases, and I donate because I want to. Not because I need to in order to make things work. This is my opinion, and I don't really care what people think one way or the other. Some will agree, and some will disagree. That's life.
Regardless of what I think on the "in app purchase" approach that Nitro has chosen, I still feel like a double douche for being a part of his departure and ruining the fun for everyone else. I really feel bad about all of this. That's why I'm publicly asking @MikeChannon to delete my account. Peace out, XDA.
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Kudos to you for stepping up.
Good on you.
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