Now that cm7 seems close, which means a working AOSP kernel seems closer, any devs wanna work with me to try to port ICS?
All the "real" dev's aren't gonna go anything until ics source comes out. Noone wants ics...because as soon as ics is ported, people are gonna whine about not having cm9.
At the rate our cm7 is going we might actually be part of the cm9 release. Of course this is wishful thinking
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starskyrob said:
Now that cm7 seems close, which means a working AOSP kernel seems closer, any devs wanna work with me to try to port ICS?
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I'm in. enyo. from the fascinate forums ported ics to there and is going to help me do the same for the epic. He may help me for htc sense too.
I believe in the devs here. I know it can happen
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Don't stop.....believin!
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Don't stop.....believin!
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Now that song is stuck in my head, thanks Zander LOL!
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Don't stop.....believin!
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Thanks Z! Now I'll have that damn song stuck in my head all day! LOL
We should work more on getting CM7 support official.
ICS is supposed to be similar to Gingerbread API, so if it's official then support should be adopted with the move to CM9.
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Thanks Z! Now I'll have that damn song stuck in my head all day! LOL
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Hold on to that feeeeelin'!
Love that song!
ICS would be sweet!
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I believe in the devs here. I know it can happen
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No I do too. It's just to early right now. Why port an unreleased sdk version of android? And then have all that man power down the drain when cm9 comes out.
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We should work more on getting CM7 support official.
ICS is supposed to be similar to Gingerbread API, so if it's official then support should be adopted with the move to CM9.
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^ this. You've got to look beyond. I totally agree here, we're so close with Deca's work on CM7 Kang to have it official, that the resources available to us should be embraced. Once Gingerbread is available, getting CM7 official should be everyone's goal, that is, if you want a fully working ICS rom for our epic in the future, and not a half-assed ICS SDK Port. Yeah, the Nexus SDK Port is a super-nice preview of ICS, but really, they already have official GB, so the port from ICS was much more realistic for them. Not to mention their port didn't have to worry about the Touchwiz Framework or whatever. Anyway, not to be a downer, if you guys round people up, then go for it, best of luck. Just know that if you prioritize what's much more important right now, it will lead to what you want in the end anyway.
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Now that song is stuck in my head, thanks Zander LOL!
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Thanks Z! Now I'll have that damn song stuck in my head all day! LOL
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Hold on to that feeeeelin'!
Love that song!
ICS would be sweet!
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You're welcome.
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Your welcome.
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You're*
And I would love to see ICS support for the epic. Who knows? Maybe an early port by early november?
But i think we should at least get cm7 and miui fully functional first so everyones satisfied before the next wait.
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You're*
And I would love to see ICS support for the epic. Who knows? Maybe an early port by early november?
But i think we should at least get cm7 and miui fully functional first so everyones satisfied before the next wait.
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Almost there for MIUI. Same goes for CM7. I'll probably finish MIUI by Thanksgiving. Me and bxfxf are working on ICS though too.
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We should work more on getting CM7 support official.
ICS is supposed to be similar to Gingerbread API, so if it's official then support should be adopted with the move to CM9.
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^this.
think of the big picture.
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Almost there for MIUI. Same goes for CM7. I'll probably finish MIUI by Thanksgiving. Me and bxfxf are working on ICS though too.
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Well that's really good to hear. CM7 development should be almost done by now...I'm kind of shocked that we haven't had video recording and video playback fully working after 3 weeks of having source.
Maybe I'm just impatient, or maybe it's because we don't have that many devs working on cm7 to begin with. Either way I just hope the Epic will keep getting worked on...
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Anyone that wants to help on the port, the fascinate dev pmed me his port so if you pm me, I can send it to you. Also to people that think this is a waste, we can probl use this rom with ics kernel when we get that
I have had my Epic for a Year now...always enjoyed using the Roms, Kernals and fixes the devs here come out with. If I can be any help bringing ICS to the Epic I will gladdly help.
I'm a programmer, but I've never done anything for android.
I'd like to help someone with something, if ppl think another hand on deck would offset having to show me how to do...pretty much everything first.
Related
With M10 out of the way, Flagship V2 on its way, Flagship Custom rocking it and a new EDT release on its way in the next 24 hours - I thought I would put this thread up and ask..
What's Next?
What would you like to see from us next?
Let us know!
2.2.1.
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2.2.1.
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Relentless! Lol
If I can find it, I ported the Tab Mini - I think it is model 5830, cant remember right now. It is really pretty cool.
miui maybe?
Actually I would rather have sense, but I think only barak is working on it.
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With M10 out of the way, Flagship V2 on its way, Flagship Custom rocking it and a new EDT release on its way in the next 24 hours - I thought I would put this thread up and ask..
What's Next?
What would you like to see from us next?
Let us know!
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I enjoy the fact that you guys go against the grain. Everyone was on the ginger kick and you guys came out with a solid, yet different roms.
I think your team proved that sometimes less is more.
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big fan of all your work Heathen, keep it up
1.5??? I miss the old days...lol.
I also say sense, but anything you do I'd keep tabs on anyway.
Blur or ninjablur. Just because then once we get sense everyone can chose the flavor they want.
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Something less gingerbread looking and more totally new looking.
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jellette said:
With M10 out of the way, Flagship V2 on its way, Flagship Custom rocking it and a new EDT release on its way in the next 24 hours - I thought I would put this thread up and ask..
What's Next?
What would you like to see from us next?
Let us know!
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You freaking rock! Einherjar Dev team are solid! Btw, M10 is solid. Im anticipating on Flagship V2... Planning of making V3 or final Flagship?
Miui would be nice too... Customed!
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I got it. Chuck norris rom or old school 8bit all the way
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Pure Vanilla Froyo Or Gingerbread pure experience
+1 for pure vanilla
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I think the team should do honeycomb rom. btw do you know how the battery life is on the yet to be released honeycomb rom your building....
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This is exactly what I was going to suggest.
Regardless of what you choose to release next I'm sure it will be awesome. Thanks for all your hard work, Heathen. We really do appreciate it.
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This is exactly what I was going to suggest.
Regardless of what you choose to release next I'm sure it will be awesome. Thanks for all your hard work, Heathen. We really do appreciate it.
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sounds like we have some similarly minded folk out here jellette, aosp!
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You freaking rock! Einherjar Dev team are solid! Btw, M10 is solid. Im anticipating on Flagship V2... Planning of making V3 or final Flagship?
Miui would be nice too... Customed!
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Flagship V2 just posted.
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+1 for pure vanilla
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Alkaloid said:
+1
This is exactly what I was going to suggest.
Regardless of what you choose to release next I'm sure it will be awesome. Thanks for all your hard work, Heathen. We really do appreciate it.
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sounds like we have some similarly minded folk out here jellette, aosp!
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Well, everyone meet Br1cK'd. I was keeping him a secret, but he is the newest member of EDT.
And guess what? Even before these suggestions, his EDT release in the works was..
A KA6 Aosp / Vanilla!
From what I understand, we should have it tested and he will be releasing it probably late tonight or tomorrow!
jellette said:
Well, everyone meet Br1cK'd. I was keeping him a secret, but he is the newest member of EDT.
And guess what? Even before these suggestions, his EDT release in the works was..
A KA6 Aosp / Vanilla!
From what I understand, we should have it tested and he will be releasing it probably late tonight or tomorrow!
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Nice.
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ummm....ill let this tweet speak for itself....i don't even care about my fp scanner being broken anymore! https://twitter.com/#!/jface21/status/137210465221742592
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ummm....ill let this tweet speak for itself....i don't even care about my fp scanner being broken anymore! https://twitter.com/#!/jface21/status/137210465221742592
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Oh..my...God....
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Oh..my...God....
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thats what I'm saying....
That is some extremely nice news. Thanks for finding it!
Can't wait to try!
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Awesome this is just what our community needed
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Awesome this is just what our community needed
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I've tried so hard to make my phone an MIUI look alike. I NEED THIS.
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Im not going to lie, Im a little skeptical. Is this really true??? Seems almost to good to be true considering how dead development is. . If it is Ill be soooo excited. MIUI = Greatness
Awesome. If this turns out to be legit I look forward to seeing what's behind all the praise MIUI gets.
At the very least, it'll be a good holdover until CM9.
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Awesome. If this turns out to be legit I look forward to seeing what's behind all the praise MIUI gets.
At the very least, it'll be a good holdover until CM9.
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almost positive its legit..about a week ago he tweeted he got it booting but the touchscreen and something else didn't work. guess he got all the kinks fixed
I want webtop working...!
>=[
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I want webtop working...!
>=[
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Cool......
I got exited and saw that his other posts have nothing to do with MIUI development.. Maybe this guy just heard it somewhere and tweeted it?
Nah, he was working on it...
That is awesome news. I sorta like the looks of miui but like cm ROMS better. UNLESS miui has better performance.
Performance is always better than looks.
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I can not wait!!!
mw3!!!!
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I got exited and saw that his other posts have nothing to do with MIUI development.. Maybe this guy just heard it somewhere and tweeted it?
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That was mean of you
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Im not going to lie, Im a little skeptical. Is this really true??? Seems almost to good to be true considering how dead development is. . If it is Ill be soooo excited. MIUI = Greatness
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dead development? Sam Cripp is uploading some updated fruit cakes, CM7 just got fingerprint scanner working, Starrwarrior just got HDMI Mirroring working in landscape mode, Diviance is constantly updating Aura, Nottach is constantly updating Darkside, and Faux is working on getting bugs out of his kernel before releasing a new version of it.
we may not have a huge development community like other phones, but it's certainly not dead.
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dead development? Sam Cripp is uploading some updated fruit cakes, CM7 just got fingerprint scanner working, Starrwarrior just got HDMI Mirroring working in landscape mode, Diviance is constantly updating Aura, Nottach is constantly updating Darkside, and Faux is working on getting bugs out of his kernel before releasing a new version of it.
we may not have a huge development community like other phones, but it's certainly not dead.
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Ah the F^@& men bro
This Guy is the real deal. He developed MIUI for the G2X. I should get the zip soon to test and if all good you all should get it too.
huh huuh huuuh huh huh huuh
Some developer got Ice Cream Sandwich running on the Hannspree Hannspad, a device I've never heard of before but looking it up, it has tegra 2. From my understanding the lack of Tegra 2 support was the major roadblock for the Atrix, so perhaps this could help?
http://tabletroms.com/forums/hannspad-rom-development/3581-hannspree-hannspad-ice-cream-sandwich-snapshot.html
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Some developer got Ice Cream Sandwich running on the Hannspree Hannspad, a device I've never heard of before but looking it up, it has tegra 2. From my understanding the lack of Tegra 2 support was the major roadblock for the Atrix, so perhaps this could help?
http://tabletroms.com/forums/hannspad-rom-development/3581-hannspree-hannspad-ice-cream-sandwich-snapshot.html
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Hacking and piecing together some drivers probably won't get the same end result as a Motorola release.
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Hacking and piecing together some drivers probably won't get the same end result as a Motorola release.
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Better than nothing
The atrix dev team is working on ics. check their github.
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<3 our Atrix developer team! Wish I could spend a a day with one of them so they could teach me a few things. Keep up the good work fellas
CM7 Newest Weekly faux123 1.45ghz, thanks AtriXDA Developers!!
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The atrix dev team is working on ics. check their github.
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Yah checked the github this is no commits for ics and no new branches for ics. The newest branch is for the finger print reader.
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Yah checked the github this is no commits for ics and no new branches for ics. The newest branch is for the finger print reader.
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Correction: check Turl's github, he created a new branch for ICS a while back. I can't elaborate on this any further since I'm not fluent in any type of code, but it's pretty clear from the keywords in his history that work is being done on 4.0.
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Correction: check Turl's github, he created a new branch for ICS a while back. I can't elaborate on this any further since I'm not fluent in any type of code, but it's pretty clear from the keywords in his history that work is being done on 4.0.
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Yep Turl's did have something useful there: https://github.com/turl/kernel-moto-atrix4g/commits/CM_kernel_ics
looks like he's working on a kernel.
i just read on Engadget that Motorola Defy is getting ICS ASOP, and that phone is way underpower than Atrix, so my guess is Atrix should definitely get update soon (not from Motorola, of course, rather from our beloved dev team)
I can here by say ics is working fine on a tegra device. As this comment is being typed from my acer iconia a500 running ics one of our devs has been working on it. He has both 2d and 3d hw accerleration working and omg is it amazing. This thing is so so so so fast. Cant wait for it on the atrix. If anyone has any questions ill answer to the best of my ability
Tegra2 ICS
Well, I for one would like to know where I can sync the tegra2 drivers from..
Good news from the LG camp. They are updating their Optimus 2X to ICS so even if Motorola doesn't update the Atrix, the drivers for Tegra will be available through the LG's ROM.
Let's hope we get the chance of having ICS on this fantastic ROM.
Cheers
Only thing holding up development is the lack of dev's. Nothing else. The few we have that work together did great with CM7, so maybe they can too get ICS going for us.
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Only thing holding up development is the lack of dev's. Nothing else. The few we have that work together did great with CM7, so maybe they can too get ICS going for us.
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Yep! I see eye to eye!
Last I heard was the atrix cm team are working on an ics port, they should be the atrix dream team!!! Those guys have done an outstanding job!!!
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Last I heard was the atrix cm team are working on an ics port, they should be the atrix dream team!!! Those guys have done an outstanding job!!!
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The Atrix dream team? What sort of lameass name is that? (UK) They shall now be known as the A-Team. (As in Atrix Team). "p
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I can here by say ics is working fine on a tegra device. As this comment is being typed from my acer iconia a500 running ics one of our devs has been working on it. He has both 2d and 3d hw accerleration working and omg is it amazing. This thing is so so so so fast. Cant wait for it on the atrix. If anyone has any questions ill answer to the best of my ability
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I was about to say the same.....thor has it running an a tegra2 tablet so im waiting patiently for it to appear on our beloved ATRIX. Go dev team go
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don't we have like the identical processor stuff with the xoom? same cpu, tegra 2 etc..
Hey Bro, when i come to visit XDA, there is no way not to look for you. Whatsup Imilka? I hope doin' good!
I kidnapped him.
Ransom: 5 Notes (if Chinese leaks are flashed then I need 10 of them)
Yeah, we need more AOSP love
He's been scared by CyanogenMod.
I think.
...No?
Iirc he is currently porting paranoid android to the note.
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XpLoDWilD said:
He's been scared by CyanogenMod.
I think.
...No?
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That's exactly what i'm thinking. Lol
But when he shows up and comes up with new good stuff, CyanogenMod stepping aside as well (on my SGN) Lol
Actually, i'm missing CM's and Imilka's new update.
Coming up soon?
waiting for their update too =]
Maybe he fired his note, donate one to him now!
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He's been scared by CyanogenMod.
I think.
...No?
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I thought maybe he hooked up with your team after the awesome port he did of CM9? Which was my first taste of cyanogen on Android btw. Was my favourite ROM for quite some time.
Anyway, keep up the good work! Looking forward to your progress on the Note.
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Really miss his work too. Loving the progress that Entropy and XplodWild are making on the official CM9 build (I'm currently using it) and I can't wait for nightly builds, but Imilka's unofficial v03 is probably still the best ROM for the Note until the other devs can crack things like speakerphone and USB mass-storage.
Thinking of reverting back to Imilka's v03 for now. Any chance we could convince him to make a v04 that merely includes the latest CM9 changes?
what if he moved to sgsIII?
oh no
Come back imilka we nees you
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I'm sure he'll be back when he has something developed.
Im just curious to know what some of the new features on JB will be, and also what do you hope JB will bring?
Project butter is the main thing if I'm not mistaken. This is basically ICS but built much, much better in terms of code, fluidness, and speed. Correct me if I'm wrong. There are a few other nice additions but nothing major. Things like expandable notifications, new lockscreen animation, ect.
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Something I've been wondering, if any devs working on the JB port can comment, is to what degree the effects of Project Butter actually show up on our Epics? Is it a significantly noticeable difference or do our hardware limitations still show up markedly?
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Something I've been wondering, if any devs working on the JB port can comment, is to what degree the effects of Project Butter actually show up on our Epics? Is it a significantly noticeable difference or do our hardware limitations still show up markedly?
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Well on the half/not-working non source port, it ran pretty damn smooth, noticeably so. Other than that, when it comes along I think it'd be better for people to try it themselves.
You can now stream music through the usb port. This should allow for some sweet docking stations.
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Will this give us the possibility of watching a video and texting at the same time? I keep seeing the s3 commercial where it does that and I wanna know what the deal is? Is that JB or just an app?
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Will this give us the possibility of watching a video and texting at the same time? I keep seeing the s3 commercial where it does that and I wanna know what the deal is? Is that JB or just an app?
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That's probably just an APP/framework. The GS3 comes with ICS, from retailers at least.
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You can now stream music through the usb port. This should allow for some sweet docking stations.
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I can do this now with my car dock on CM9...
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a write up
here is an article all about the new stuff:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/07/android-4-1-jelly-bean-new-features-apps/
Google now is sweet I renamed all my contacts so I can say dirty stuff to it
Google Now, the improvement to make Android more fluid (mostly for newer devices), and Hi-res contacts are the major ones for me.
How long do you guys think until CM10?
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How long do you guys think until CM10?
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Jeez. They just got the damn source code today. The first thing they're doing is working on it for all of us and you're already asking for an eta? I could understand asking about the current situation, or progress, but an eta? Go sit in the corner. You're in time out now.
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Zeinzu said:
Jeez. They just got the damn source code today. The first thing they're doing is working on it for all of us and you're already asking for an eta? I could understand asking about the current situation, or progress, but an eta? Go sit in the corner. You're in time out now.
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Don't think he meant it as an ETA probably more of an general guestimate. Like when do you guys think the next "insert item here" will be out?
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Well, I've heard rumors of within a month. But again, they only "just" got their hands on the source. And I heard xbox saying we're waiting on some proprietary files to be released from the Nexus S that we'll need yet.
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Maybe sooner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28584458
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Zeinzu said:
Jeez. They just got the damn source code today. The first thing they're doing is working on it for all of us and you're already asking for an eta? I could understand asking about the current situation, or progress, but an eta? Go sit in the corner. You're in time out now.
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I'm posting from JB on my xoom from teamEOS. Since it's on this device, hopefully it's not too long for cm10. Until viperx came onto HTC One X, I had all 3 of my Android devices running cm9. Now it's spread, cm9 was on xoom until JBs installation today, slimICS on SGS and of course viperx on HTC One X. My wife won't let me root her phones (that sounds so wrong as at least use Aussies use the term root as slang for sex.
Zeinzu said:
Jeez. They just got the damn source code today. The first thing they're doing is working on it for all of us and you're already asking for an eta? I could understand asking about the current situation, or progress, but an eta? Go sit in the corner. You're in time out now.
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I agree with you about the ETAs, but I think you misunderstood this circumstance... He is not asking the developers, he is asking everyone in this thread. It can't really be called an ETA, because estimations require some knowledge of the activity behind the scenes (somewhat like an educated guess) - if anything, he is asking for a WSTA - a Wild Speculation of Time of Arrival
With that said, there is even less point in asking for that than for an ETA, because all of our answers are unfounded guesses - but at least he isn't directly bothering the developers (they don't have any obligation to respond in this thread, so it's their choice if they're bothered by it, unlike in their threads)
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Zeinzu said:
Well, I've heard rumors of within a month. But again, they only "just" got their hands on the source. And I heard xbox saying we're waiting on some proprietary files to be released from the Nexus S that we'll need yet.
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Binaries?
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Zeinzu said:
Jeez. They just got the damn source code today. The first thing they're doing is working on it for all of us and you're already asking for an eta? I could understand asking about the current situation, or progress, but an eta? Go sit in the corner. You're in time out now.
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haha easy man. Just making conversation. haha im not trying to rush anyone, just curious as to how long it even takes to develop something like that because i have no idea!