Sense4All is team of developers looking to get sense 4.0 on all Samsung devices so we may have more options for our arsenals. They are on the verge of releasing a Galaxy S3 Version but are having problems getting internal storage and WiFi to work. If you are a developer who is interested in helping the project come along further please to to their website sense4all.info and see if you could throw aroung some ideas with their devs it'd be a shame to let the work and idea go to waste.
Sense4All Site: http://sense4all.info
Would you retain the Samsung function e.g. Smart Stay, Gestures, S-Beam etc? on the Sense ROM?
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Mr_Maz said:
Would you retain the Samsung function e.g. Smart Stay, Gestures, S-Beam etc? on the Sense ROM?
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I doubt they would considering that's all TW stuff. I could be wrong though..
I am actually not part of the development team, just a hopeful future user who would like to get the word spread to more developers so the dev team can be helped
Hi everybody, sorry for my noob question, but I'm new in Note 3 forum.
As even rocks know, this phone has a wacom digitalizer. My question is: if in future I put an AOSP compiled rom (cyanogenmod, miui or whatever it will come) will I lose all the features related to s-pen and wacom digitalizer?
I do believe that the digitizer hardware should still be available to use. Other features such as S-Pen and Air Command may not be available though (in their stock form). I'm told that there may be 3rd party alternatives to those apps. I'm sure some others can chime in about that.
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Dear Note3 users,
I am wondering about buying the Note 3 - however, I am afraid it will turn out the same as with my Note 1 - lack of proper drivers for newer AOSP/CyanoGenMod and the resulting problems (especially - phone reboting when taking pictures and occasional UI stuttering etc.). I remember devs blaming Samsung for not releasing the source-code for the Exynos-based devices back then..
I suppose the current CM KitKat builds are fine with N3 - what about future builds, especially when moving beyond KitKat? Has Samsung done a better job at supporting the N3 and AOSP/CM thus far (when compared to the N1)?
Thanks for all your replies..
Jan
I can't answer your question directly - I don't use CM/AOSP - but I'm interested in the way you asked your question.
I don't see that Samsung have any onus or responsibility all to "support" CM and/or AOSP. As I understand it, they release the source codes for all drivers that they are legally obliged to and no more.
I'm sure the rest is a PITA for CM/AOSP devs, but is that unique to Samsung? Don't Sony, HTC etc do the same?
Personally the only thing I like about CM is the theme choices, and now there are Xposed modules to port many themes to TW based ROMs. If I wanted CM/AOSP, I'd buy a Nexus.
I've nothing against TW framework, it's never let me down, and I've had the SGS/2/3 and Note 2 previously. I don't use the TW launcher, stock icons or stock kernels. I have tried a fair few CM ROMs over the years, and never had a single one that was 100% bug free.
Put it this way - I like stability in my phone, and by definition any ROM that needs nightly builds isn't going to supply that "need".
My 2 cents. Whatever floats your boat is fine, that's why we don't use iphones
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
jalyst said:
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
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What you want is a rom based on AOSP (like cyanogenmod). It has the advantage of being nearly stock android with updates nearly as fast as google can push them out. It is much much quicker than carrier updates. Plus, AOSP is community/google supported so you can count on updates long after the carriers stop supporting your phone. This support is what allows kitkat to run on a galaxy s2 or a barnes and noble nook. lol.
So the catch to all this is you MUST have an unlocked bootloader. ATT and verizon are out because they have locked their bootloader.
On the note 3, people who had the tmobile note 3 (unlocked bootloader) had kitkat months and months before the ATT touchwiz kitkat was pushed by ATT.
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
^Anyone? Thank-you!
P.S.
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
jalyst said:
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
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It's as close as you can get, almost to the point of being the same. I honestly can't think of any major differences. My wife went from CM to a nexus 5 and she new exactly where everything was. My nexus 7 interface looks like my cm11 nook tablets.
Apart from the UX though, what are all the major (or minor) services/functionalities you lose?*
I mean mostly compared to stock Android that's found on the latest Nexus devices, but I guess also compared to Samsung's spin.
Also, you missed this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Finally, any idea how to delete posts?
Cheers mate!
*Given that mircury isn't sure on this point, can someone else please have a crack.
The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
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The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
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That's literally it? That's nothing if that's all there is!?!
I'm used to hanging out mostly on quite esoteric/hack-ish platforms, so if that's all I have to deal with, "no biggy".
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
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Yeah I suspected that might be the case, I haven't checked that yet, I'm in Australasia/Oceania, Australia specifically.
I hope I've lucked out there, IIRC the international version (i.e. not local/telco-centric) usually is Qualcomm isn't it?
And this post???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Also, anyone know how to delete posts?
Thank-you.
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TY/GN
No need to bump your post 3 times. I would suggest you go on youtube and watch some video reviews. You will find that it is very much nexus like with no features lost.
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
mircury said:
No need to bump your post 3 times.
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Bumped twice, both with healthy time gaps. Going to YT won’t get this addressed:
jalyst said:
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
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Or this…
jalyst said:
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
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^Anyone? Thank-you!
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You forgot this one in your list.
Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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Is that the only notable proprietary stuff that will go?
And is it unlikely that the AOSP community will eventually add support for such things?
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He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
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No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I switch to AOSP (CM etc) what features will be missing* compared to: (1) stock on Nexus devices, & (2) stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I'm to switch to AOSP what features will I be missing* compared to stock on Nexus devices, & stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features (Some spen features can be added back. See thread in note 3 forum.)
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available in stock AOSP. Some have used Oneplus camera app. (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff, and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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Cheers buddy...
Don't care about what carriers may or may not add, I'll most likely be getting one that isn't carrier-based.
Even if I do get one from a carrier it won't be a US-based one, it'll most likely be from Telstra, & IME it never adds anything of value.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
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I thought we did. lol. I don't know how much clearer we can get. Google controls AOSP. It is stock android through and through. Go read up on what AOSP is and then read what CM is.
Up to now I have stuck to the official firmwares because I needed full s-pen support, and at the time I checked there were no stable custom ROMs with s-pen support. But I really could do with a later Android version as apps I want to use don't support such an old version.
Are there any good custom ROMs now with s-pen support?
None that I know of. I have read about a lot of hacks such as Air-Command that people were trying to flash into their current ROM. I confess that I wish there was at least a bit of a comit that notifies you that the pen is out of the phone. I am using Squid currently to take down quick notes and using Notepad for very quick memos... Other than that I don't think there will be any development towards getting use of the S-pen back like we used to...
Damn, that's too bad. I'm actually quite happy with my Note 3 hardware, but that might force me to upgrade to a more recent version. Being on the old official firmware for s-pen support is getting to be a pain now that some apps won't run on it anymore.