Hello people,
I'm relatively new to the Android wold (1 month) and I bought an Arc from my Carrier.
I'm kinda satisfied but I really dislike the way some applications can't be removed (I count something like 20 applications between the carrier and Sony Ericsson partners).
So, I'm considering rooting the phone, but there is a lot of informations I shall process before doing it and I am a little bit unsure about some facts, so I hope you would help me. Here's my questions:
Is it really a reasonable behavior to root the phone, just in order to remove a 20ish apps or would you think I'd have a better experience to just stick with it ?
I understood there was some problems with arcs under android 2.3.4, they seems to be solved, but I'm unsure which method I shall follow (I don't want to mess the bootloader nor the ROM, I just want root permissions). May you show me which way I shall go ?
On my linux computer, I won't login under root every time I would power it on. When the phone is rooted, does this means, I am always granted root access and I shall be aware of what I'm doing or can I choose to get root privileges only when I need them ?
If I root the phone without changing the bootloader, would I be able to update the phone along Sony Ericsson releases ? (OTA only ?)
Thanks by anticipation for your answers.
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New and simple way to root Arc / Arc S with locked bootloaders:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1320350
Yes, you'll still be able to update via SEUS as long as your bootloader remains locked. But you'll lose root once you update.
Is it really a reasonable behavior to root the phone, just in order to remove a 20ish apps or would you think I'd have a better experience to just stick with it ?
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If the crapware is using up space you need, then that's a pretty good reason to get rid IMO. If SE had left us with a bit more free space it might not be such an issue. Also, root lets you do lots of cool things with your phone that you cant do otherwise.
I understood there was some problems with arcs under android 2.3.4, they seems to be solved, but I'm unsure which method I shall follow (I don't want to mess the bootloader nor the ROM, I just want root permissions). May you show me which way I shall go ?
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If you have 2.3.4 then the best bet seems to be the zergRush method detailed here. Havent tried it yet myself, but planning to soon.
On my linux computer, I won't login under root every time I would power it on. When the phone is rooted, does this means, I am always granted root access and I shall be aware of what I'm doing or can I choose to get root privileges only when I need them ?
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Dont think of rooting as giving *you* superuser access, think of it more as allowing you to choose which *apps* have superuser access. Apps with superuser access can do things normal apps cant. Think of the apps as the users of the system - you're just interacting with normal or privileged apps.
When you root, a superuser access app gets installed. Then whenever a non-system app requests su permissions, the superuser app will ask you whether to allow or deny those permissions (you can allow the app permanently or have it ask every time).
If I root the phone without changing the bootloader, would I be able to update the phone along Sony Ericsson releases ? (OTA only ?)
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Yup you will still be able update via OTA or via SEUS. Updating via SEUS will remove root, but so far OTA updates have maintained root (no guarantee this will continue in the future though).
don't delete just freeze
i advice not to delete the apps that comes with the phone cuz you will not gain extra memory so if there any app that bother you just freeze it and it will be removed from the app drower and it will not work again but when you feel you want them back unfreeze it
Thank you Daveybaby, and thanks Hush066 too.
Now, I'm a bit more aware of what's the rooting process and I shall say you both fired quickly an answer to each topic. I think I'll try the rooting, after the weekend.
Thanks you again.
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i advice not to delete the apps that comes with the phone cuz you will not gain extra memory so if there any app that bother you just freeze it and it will be removed from the app drower and it will not work again but when you feel you want them back unfreeze it
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What do you mean by "freezing" the apps ?
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All new members should read the stickys, it saves people having to rehash information. ;-)
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All new members should read the stickys, it saves people having to rehash information. ;-)
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I'm sorry, it's true I've posted a bit fast. Yet, I didn't found the sticky talking about freezing apps, but I found out I have to root the phone, even if I only wish to freeze the apps.
Now I know I'll have to root the device (the bloatwares are starting to annoy me a great deal) should I uninstall or freeze the carrier apps.
Thanks again for every answers.
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What do you mean by "freezing" the apps ?
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Apps such as Titanium Backup allows you to either uninstall or freeze a system app. Freezing the app just disables it while uninstalling will completely remove it from the phone.
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Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?
most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with
I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.
oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.
Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?
Hey guys, I'm new to the Android community and I'm completely in love with it now that I had the phone for several weeks. Like every other phone I get, I'm always eager to customize it in all the ways possible.
So here is my question, rooting seems simple enough with the great guides you guys have here. However, I've heard that Android 2.2 is right around the corner with new great features. I read that if you upgrade your firmware, it will un-root your phone back to stock.
I'm already hungry to try the new features that a rooted phone can do but I'm thinking that this update is worth waiting for since this phone is new anyways.
Any opinions?
Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.
Were would I find the rooted roms?
DynamicXL said:
Were would I find the rooted roms?
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In the development section.
Its a file you can find . Its not a rom. Your phone will still get the ota even after you root it. Can't say the same for custom roms
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Cool, thanks for the quick responds guys.
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Absolutely ROOT. I have some things to do once rooted in the sticky, please let me know if you have suggestions.
Rooting have nothing to do with ota update but flashing a customer rom will.
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I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.
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Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.
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i second this
Yeah, I think I'm going to root my phone soon. Thanks for the help!
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I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.
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Not sure how rooting your phone is going to solve your battery issues? All that rooting does is give you root (superuser) permissions on your phone. You can do this to remove the bloatware that came preinstalled on the phone, run various apps that require root. But I can't think of any way that it's going to allow you to save battery life that you couldn't already do non-rooted.
My only reason to root was for wifi-tethering...
I know the newer version of Facebook is a battery eater. I switched back to the older style and my phone is happy again.
Root is great.
1. Remove bloat apps
2. Remove the annoying T-mobile jingle
3. Root Explorer is fun to play with
I think thats all I've really done so far. Well I should that I've wanted to really do so far.
Rooting isn't working for me otherwise I would have to agree :-(
^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?
I pretty much had the same question. But after a little reading just now I actually understand what rooting is. Helps that I'm familiar with linux! Attempting to root in 5 4 3...
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So if you don't have a data plan you can't get the ota update? You must root? Mine is on AT&T with no data plan right now.
Isn't there much more to rooting then apps and root control? I've seen all the custome ROMs people get to customize the phone and theme just about everything.
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s15274n said:
^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?
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No I just Have a file named update.zip. I have tried two different methods twice now and once I'm in recovery and go to flash the zip it says it isn't there. I don't know what it is I'm doing wrong.
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So I rooted my phone earlier today. It was unbelievably easy to get the whole set up going.
Haven't had much time to fool around with it yet except for several apps that require root access, mainly to flash and back up my data in case of an oops.
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Im hesitant about rooting my phone or not. If I root my phone, I think the bad guys could stole my information or do bad things to my device.
Or maybe when some app for example root explorer needs admin rights android will ask for them (like windows 7)?
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Rooting a phone gives you 'administrative' rights similar to on a PC, it gives you more control over the phone and allows access to system files which would usually be hidden if you was not rooted.
Rooting is easy and is reversible. it is not dangerous and quite a lot of apps require root access.
sammy_user said:
Im hesitant about rooting my phone or not. If I root my phone, I think the bad guys could stole my information or do bad things to my device.
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The "good" bad guys can do it regardless what you do
sammy_user said:
Or maybe when some app for example root explorer needs admin rights android will ask for them (like windows 7)?
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Yes you will be prompted by the superuser app.
Thanks. But if you are not root when you buy sgs, why can you install new apps that if im correct go to the data folder (root required)?
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sammy_user said:
Thanks. But if you are not root when you buy sgs, why can you install new apps that if im correct go to the data folder (root required)?
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When you first buy your phone you CAN'T install Apps that require root access... you need to root your phone first.
Most Apps don't require root as they aren't installed in the Ram but on the internal SD card. This is the same Ram vs flash memory arrangement that has been used with mobile devices since the Palm Pilot.
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rschenck said:
When you first buy your phone you CAN'T install Apps that require root access... you need to root your phone first.
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You CAN install Apps that require root access they just wont run as you want them too
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Most Apps don't require root as they aren't installed in the Ram but on the internal SD card. This is the same Ram vs flash memory arrangement that has been used with mobile devices since the Palm Pilot.Sent from my GT-I9000T using XDA Premium App
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I am not sure I understand this or its right or wrong. Am just confused about this
However to the OP question. Installing from the market/app isn't the same as you copying the file yourself. So your question is pointless. If a process/app/mechanism already has access to it, like the market what is has to do with you not being rooted in the beginning?
The bad guys that came with the rooting of my phone, made my phone 10 times faster and smoother..
So I love those little bad guys!
rooting is the first step to a new world... welcome
i am pretty good with computers but i am a noob when it comes smartphones, the play is my first smartphone and it didnt take long for me to get bored so i started trying emulators out. Ive now got psx4droid, gameboid & other emulators on here running nice & smooth, But all i keep reading now is about rooting etc and started to feel like im missing out!
what do you really gain from rooting?
and how easy is it to brick a phone while rooting?
i have been reading this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098736
is this correct for my play (from uk)
any help/advise would be greatly appreciated!
if you dont have a reason to root, really there is no need, root gives you r/w access to the /system/ and /data/ folders, it will let you theme you android, backup you apps and clean cache's that you normally couldnt, another good reason to root is for apps like "adfree android" this will remove ads from apps and website, making some free apps just as good as there payed brothers you can also use root to keep things like busybox updated
You can imagine rooting as using a computer with full administrator rights. It will allow apps to have access to system files we normally cannot access. This allows you to freeze or remove bloatware. Use overclocking software and backup software just to name a few.
It is pretty hard to brick a phone by rooting. Its if you unlock your bootloader and start playing with custom kernels and roms that you start playing a little more dangerous.
Hope this helps a little.
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yea i heard that you can customise themes etc that would be cool, and yea i would be doin it for the adfree and isit set cpu app & titanium back up to make some more space
but i was under the impression you have to unlock bootloader to root?
thanks for the help guys!
xperiaplay said:
yea i heard that you can customise themes etc that would be cool, and yea i would be doin it for the adfree and isit set cpu app & titanium back up to make some more space
but i was under the impression you have to unlock bootloader to root?
thanks for the help guys!
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if your using 2.3.2 you can root using gingerbreak or gingersnap, but if you have 2.3.3, that cannot be rooted by normal means. and you have to unlock your bootloader and flash a rooted system image, if you unlock you bootloader, you will forfit any official support from sony
yea im on 2.3.3 i tryed gingerbreak 1.1 & 1.20 but they didnt work
by sony support do you mean updates yea?
If you delete something that isnt supposed to be(from sony preloaded s/w)...you mite end up bricking the play....if you delete useless stuff only you wont brick infact would gain speed and space on play...
I deleted the Timescape, Twitter stuff, sony wallpapers, android wallpapers and brucelee game and etc(dont remember now)
The fone worked fast and gave space....you could also move softwares from fone to sd card thru root too(one's which dont give option on unrooted device)
but always make a backup of everything, id say use titanium from market, its free, it would need super user and some other stuff...
starbearer said:
If you delete something that isnt supposed to be(from sony preloaded s/w)...you mite end up bricking the play....if you delete useless stuff only you wont brick infact would gain speed and space on play...
I deleted the Timescape, Twitter stuff, sony wallpapers, android wallpapers and brucelee game and etc(dont remember now)
The fone worked fast and gave space....you could also move softwares from fone to sd card thru root too(one's which dont give option on unrooted device)
but always make a backup of everything, id say use titanium from market, its free, it would need super user and some other stuff...
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how did you go about rooting yours? did you do it this way
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14192328
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if your using 2.3.2 you can root using gingerbreak or gingersnap, but if you have 2.3.3, that cannot be rooted by normal means. and you have to unlock your bootloader and flash a rooted system image, if you unlock you bootloader, you will forfit any official support from sony
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You do lose the ability to update, however, I emailed sony when I encountered this problem, and they did advise me on how to get around it (at my own risk mind you), and now I have the latest firmware
EeJay
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im guessing there no way i can go back to 2.3.2
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im guessing there no way i can go back to 2.3.2
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Look in the android development section, someone posted a working method to root 2.3.3 without an unlocked bootloader
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ahh has anyone tryed this method yet??
xperiaplay said:
ahh has anyone tryed this method yet??
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Lots of people have done it, and confirmed it working in the arc section.
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yea sorry i mean on a play
I dont think xplay 3.0.A.2.181 fw was ever posted so unless someone can post it, it wont work. Maybe 3.0.A.2.181 was posted but i cannot remember seeing it
oh mine uk x play build no: 3.0.1.A.0.145 so i dono
Can a rooted Xperia Play work on Sprint?
Rodimus80 said:
Can a rooted Xperia Play work on Sprint?
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If the phone is SIM locked the bootloader is locked, so if you wanted to root it by unlocked the bootloader you would have no luck, If you're still on 2.3.2 the gingerbreak apk root method will work for you.
Rooting the phone won't have any affect on the carrier. Well I don't think so anyway.
Back on topic, I rooted my previous android phone as soon as I got it (a ZTE blade) it was a great phone fully featured and good value. With the root came custom roms, adfree apps, screenshot tools, remote access etc. Rooting the phone is great if you have an inner nerd and you want to tinker with the phone.
I'm rooting my xperia play soon.
my play is not sim locked so does this mean it already has a unlocked bootloader??
xperiaplay said:
my play is not sim locked so does this mean it already has a unlocked bootloader??
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No. Unless you unlock it yourself it will still be locked. Sim free just means your phone will take any sim card. Its not locked to 1 network (sim locked)
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opinions?
Well...of course root!!! Samsung will never even know after a simple Odin back to stock
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Instant root! You will get more options like ad block and so on
Root dude get rid of that bloatware
yeah !! overclock and underclock!! remove bloatware and use flash zips + backup via CWM
root or die!
edi itelman said:
that is the question.
opinions?
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you shouldn't root your phone if you have to ask.
Root all the (Android) things!
There's no reason to NOT root a device, there are tons of reasons TO root.... Hell, my PC running Bluestacks right now has been rooted! Hacked that SOB to run whatever size "SD card" I want it to have, just because it was possible
Rooting for sure, can't live without adblocking now especially how ridiculous the ads are becoming.
Yep +1, I'll be rooted within minutes of receiving mine. As usual.
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Yep +1, I'll be rooted within minutes of receiving mine. As usual.
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Well same here haha. Even if there are no ROMs available when I first get it, I'll just deodex, zip align and remove all the bloatware ASAP
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Just hoping Samsung will not make further improvements against resetting the flash counter...
ROOT ROOT ROOT!! Coz it's really fRUITfUL :thumbup:
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If you find the need to
I'll root but just for Cerberus and ad block, I like the Samsung stuff
Always rooted my devices. The s4 will have the same fate!