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Whats the difference between Atrix and Atrix 4G?

International market is getting Atrix 3G, US is getting 4G. Is there any difference? As far as I know, both versions support HSPA+.

syl0n said:
International market is getting Atrix 3G, US is getting 4G. Is there any difference? As far as I know, both versions support HSPA+.
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Largely terminology. If you mean HSPA+, then no, there's no difference. Someone has hinted that the Atrix will make it to other carriers. If it goes to Verizon, we could see a version that supports LTE. Then you'll have a difference. Until then, it's HSPA+ on various frequencies (assuming there will be a European version on a quirky frequency, and assuming it hits TMo).
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There is no difference at all. In Europe they don't call HSPA+ 4G, so it's not called a 4G phone there.

It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G). Otherwise, they would surely market it the same way in Canada and Europe.

PuerkitoBio said:
It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G). Otherwise, they would surely market it the same way in Canada and Europe.
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The idea of US carriers calling HSPA+ 4G is that it is delivering 4G speeds using upgraded 3G technology. 14.4Mbps HSPA+ with AT&T is nearly on par with the LTE speeds we will see on Verizon initially. T-Mobile is cranking their HSPA+ up to 42Mbps or something similar. It will be some time before carriers can really flex LTE muscle, but for now there really won't be that huge of a speed difference, so all these carriers calling their data tech 4G is just marketing.
Besides, LTE is NOT 4G either by definition. LTE is more of a 3.5G technology, similar to HSPA+, but the cool thing with LTE is that over time it can be upgraded to approximately 300Mbps theoretical download speed, while HSPA+ can only be upgraded to approximately 84Mbps download speed.
LTE Advanced will be the first technically compliant 4G technology on the market, but we are still years off from seeing that in the real world.
So take everything you see about 4G as a grain of salt. Atrix 4G vs Atrix is just marketing lingo.
And when people want to say that the Droid Bionic is a real 4G device would technically be incorrect. So don't think your Atrix is in any way inferior to the Bionic (except maybe camera and screen size).

PuerkitoBio said:
It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G).
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It is now. Standards folks changed their minds, and as of last month or so current WiMax, current LTE, and HSPA+ are all 4G.

when i talked with my rep basically he said they were dropping the 4g just to make things easier. The phone is the same, just some people are still using the superfluous 4g tag.

Does this mean that we can buy a sim-free Atrix 4g from at&t, bring it to europe and use it with european sim cards?or any other gsm sim-cards around the world?

Po0yAn said:
Does this mean that we can buy a sim-free Atrix 4g from at&t, bring it to europe and use it with european sim cards?or any other gsm sim-cards around the world?
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I'd really like to know that as well. Besides this the only thing preventing me from ordering an unlocked version as soon as such is available is the bootloader thing.

A_Kirsh said:
I'd really like to know that as well. Besides this the only thing preventing me from ordering an unlocked version as soon as such is available is the bootloader thing.
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same here.thats why im considering galaxy s2 now. i have both moto milestone and galaxy s,the build quality of moto is way better.also my friends like the milestone build and look more,but the locked up bootloader really frustrated me.although there aren't much of great custom roms for galaxy s either,we haven't had a decent cyanogenmod rom around yet, after 8 month since galaxy s been released.
i like atrix more because of better build,higher resolution and tegra 2,but the damn bootloader and later release date along with slightly better specs for s2 like shipping with 2.3 and better camera is changing my desire.
not to mention that this time moto is using PenTile for it LCD and sami is using stripe matrix for its samoled+. thats another let down for atrix.
it was stupid from moto to change the lcd tech on atrix, stripe matrix looked great on milestone.
u can see the differences here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
you can see im pretty confused here!if only the damn nexus s was shipped with a daul core cpu!

LockeCPM4 said:
The idea of US carriers calling HSPA+ 4G is that it is delivering 4G speeds using upgraded 3G technology. 14.4Mbps HSPA+ with AT&T is nearly on par with the LTE speeds we will see on Verizon initially. T-Mobile is cranking their HSPA+ up to 42Mbps or something similar. It will be some time before carriers can really flex LTE muscle, but for now there really won't be that huge of a speed difference, so all these carriers calling their data tech 4G is just marketing.
Besides, LTE is NOT 4G either by definition. LTE is more of a 3.5G technology, similar to HSPA+, but the cool thing with LTE is that over time it can be upgraded to approximately 300Mbps theoretical download speed, while HSPA+ can only be upgraded to approximately 84Mbps download speed.
LTE Advanced will be the first technically compliant 4G technology on the market, but we are still years off from seeing that in the real world.
So take everything you see about 4G as a grain of salt. Atrix 4G vs Atrix is just marketing lingo.
And when people want to say that the Droid Bionic is a real 4G device would technically be incorrect. So don't think your Atrix is in any way inferior to the Bionic (except maybe camera and screen size).
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Just thought I'd correct you. Tmobile has claimed they can reach speeds of up to 672mbps with their HSPA+ tech. Honestly with speeds like that is there any real need for LTE?
"Now we're seeing a chart of T-Mobile's 4G evolution on the HSPA+ technology path, starting with 21Mbps in 2010. We're seeing 28, 42, 84, 168, and 672Mbps bars here as we move through dual-carrier, MIMO, and so on."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/live-from-t-mobiles-ces-2011-press-event/

svengalis said:
"Now we're seeing a chart of T-Mobile's 4G evolution on the HSPA+ technology path, starting with 21Mbps in 2010. We're seeing 28, 42, 84, 168, and 672Mbps bars here as we move through dual-carrier, MIMO, and so on."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/live-from-t-mobiles-ces-2011-press-event/
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This is basically LTE. They will be switching to it eventually, and these technologies is what makes up most of it.
Just to make sure everyone's aware. Without a huge picocell/femtocell underlay, you will never see anything over 6-12 meg on an LTE network.

The difference between atrix 4g and atrix for europe could be regarding frequencies: 4g shold be 3g on frequencies 850/1900/2100 while european version 850/900/1900/2100. This should be not a problem because almost in all europe 3g works on 2100 Mhz frequency. What do you think about it?

mercuryzzz said:
The difference between atrix 4g and atrix for europe could be regarding frequencies: 4g shold be 3g on frequencies 850/1900/2100 while european version 850/900/1900/2100. This should be not a problem because almost in all europe 3g works on 2100 Mhz frequency. What do you think about it?
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Since most 3G GSM operates in the 2100MHZ area nowadays, I don't this this is too much of a problem (if I'm wrong could someone please correct me?)
I'm now curious as to what exactly is the unlock procedure (sim-wise) of an att Atrix... Can anyone please explain (in detail) ?

Anyone interested in the G2X ??

This may be my next phone now that T-mo has confirmed it will be a stock experience here: http://androidandme.com/2011/03/pho...-as-first-dual-core-phone-with-stock-android/
Honestly though I'm a little fearful of going with LG, just because I've never used their phones.
Been using HTC for about 2 years now. It's between this and the upcoming Pyramid.
What do you think?
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when first switching to tmobile i bought my gf an optimus t before getting her the g2, i have to say it was one of my more delightful android experiences ive had, unlocked bootloader, fastboot enabled by default, source code is up (and teh real source code not some samsung give only enough to be gpl compliant crap) the day phones are released. the build quality was decent and i enjoyed it. i think the g2x is a good start for them to enter the high end devices, with there not truly being any recent phone releases on tmobile it will mean a lot of devs might snag one up.

Yeah I think it'll most likely get as much support as the G2 has eventually.
As long as the bootloader get's unlocked.
Others have complained about it being released with Froyo.
But, I don't care what version it's released with, just that it's bootloader can be unlocked for CWM and later CM builds.
I stopped caring about manufacturer OS releases a long time ago.
Unless you have a Nexus phone, it's usually not as good as CM anyway.

Nah...gonna try to waive etf when the merger hits and go to vzw. I'm not going back to att.
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Waiting to hear about battery life with dual core.
Don't care much for the fake chrome look around the outside. Kinda a MyTouch4G look, not really a G-series look.

http://bit.ly/fWEACn
The g2x should still work after all this merger stuff is done and from what I understand if you don't change your plan or anything it should be grandfatherd in to maybe not a bad choice
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First timing posting mainly just searching forums and try ROMs...
anyways I'm very interested in the G2X will most likely get one even though I'm weary about the merger much like a lot of people. I did read that the G2x is going to ship with T-mobile HSPA+ capability (duh) and AT&T HSPA+ capability, so it shouldn't turn into a useless phone once the merger happens.
I can't post links unfortunately but if you go to intomobile.com it is one of the first articles under android.

I also read the G2x will ship with att and tmobile bands.. so seein as att most likely, hopefully fcc stops it, ill be movin to att sadly. Ugh, I work for them and hate them.. so sad. but if it works for ATT sounds be good thou. ATT is gettin there own versions of it thou.. and usually price android phones pretty cheap since then lick apples nuts on the daily..
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zaelia said:
http://bit.ly/fWEACn
The g2x should still work after all this merger stuff is done and from what I understand if you don't change your plan or anything it should be grandfatherd in to maybe not a bad choice
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AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.

When I worked for verizon, when the htc ppc6700 was out (that long ago) the dumbphones with music players were the rage ie the chocolate and the moto q. Yes I consider the moto q a dumbphone because it was a pile of ****. I sold the hell out of certain lg phones like the 8300, and I owned 2 8300 for a reason. It was simply a kick ass phone for its time.
Lg quality seems to be good on cdma. Gsm I'm not sure tho. I was so satisified with lg at the time I would say 50% of my sales were lg devices at the time.
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martonikaj said:
AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.
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I can't post the article but the G2X will have AWS Band IV/ 2100 / 1900 / 850
"the G2x looks to support AT&T’s HSPA+ bands, 1900 and 850". (intomobile.com)

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AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.
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It has at&t hspa+ bands and t mobile hspa+ bands.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/car...ture-proofing-their-new-phones-to-run-on-att/
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This phone is QUADBAND so it will work perfectly with ATT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
Update: It turns out the "4G" radio in the G2x is quadband (2100 / 1900 / 1700 / 850MHz) but strangely, it's limited to 14.4Mbps downlink speeds. Apparently, this also applies to the T-Mobile G-Slate. We're reaching out to T-Mobile to check if the G2x radio is HSPA+ or merely just HSPA.

TrueYears said:
This phone is QUADBAND so it will work perfectly with ATT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
Update: It turns out the "4G" radio in the G2x is quadband (2100 / 1900 / 1700 / 850MHz) but strangely, it's limited to 14.4Mbps downlink speeds. Apparently, this also applies to the T-Mobile G-Slate. We're reaching out to T-Mobile to check if the G2x radio is HSPA+ or merely just HSPA.
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Sorry about that. The first linked story said that it would only be compatible with 1900, which would've meant you won't get UMTS in some areas on AT&T.
I wonder if this is a conscious decision by LG to make sure the phones don't get thrown out in a year.

martonikaj said:
Sorry about that. The first linked story said that it would only be compatible with 1900, which would've meant you won't get UMTS in some areas on AT&T.
I wonder if this is a conscious decision by LG to make sure the phones don't get thrown out in a year.
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I'm sure. Its a smart decision.
The one thing I will really miss about T-mo is how cool they are about releasing phones. No telco has given Android love like T-mo. The G2x is another great example.
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As soon as the bootloader gets unlocked I will definitely jump to the next best the G-series has to offer

Looks like a nice device but personally if it doesn't have a hard keyboard, its not for me. I've tried the touchscreen deal but with how much I text and email on the go, I can't live without a keyboard.
Gonna be sticking with the DZ for while. Won't likely get a new device until I get a new service provider... Considering Sprint with the looming merger between ATT and TMobile. Verizon is just too pricey.

S%!*!! I just slapped down 400+ clams to purchase the G2, then I hear this? WTF!
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gbarayah said:
Looks like a nice device but personally if it doesn't have a hard keyboard, its not for me. I've tried the touchscreen deal but with how much I text and email on the go, I can't live without a keyboard.
Gonna be sticking with the DZ for while. Won't likely get a new device until I get a new service provider... Considering Sprint with the looming merger between ATT and TMobile. Verizon is just too pricey.
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I agree. but try this.... If the screen is 4 inch or 4.3 it actually is not too bad to type on anything smaller it can be troublesome. The mt4g actually is bare min size to type on in portrait but 4in or bigger is actually not too bad so dont totally rule it out of a hardware keyboard is not a feature available later on.
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I will consider getting one to compliment or replace my G2 depending on the build quality. The hard keyboard is not a necessity for me and I really like the 4 inch screen size, tegra 2, and stock Android.
Also, I work for T-mobile and the optimus t has been a solid Android phone with very few issues or complaints. It is an entry level handset but very solid. It will be nice to see what LG does with a high end device.

Nexus Prime for T-Mo et Al. passes FCC?

The I9250 just passed through the FCC as a pentaband phone with both T-Mo's AWS bands and ATT's bands.
http://phandroid.com/2011/10/08/samsung-nexus-prime-gt-i9250-passes-through-fcc-with-t-mobileatt-bands/
This is my next upgrade path if it comes to fruition; so here's to hoping.
What about the rest of you?

You didn't look at the FCC sheet did you.
IT IS MISSING the 2100 frequency band...aka...T-Mobile 3G/4G WILL NOT WORK. This phone is not a T-mobile-banded device. At best it is the international version...maybe AT&T's one as second best but not T-Mobile's. Sadly I don't think we're getting this awesomeness for some time still. Sucks.

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You didn't look at the FCC sheet did you.
IT IS MISSING the 2100 frequency band...aka...T-Mobile 3G/4G WILL NOT WORK. This phone is not a T-mobile-banded device. At best it is the international version...maybe AT&T's one as second best but not T-Mobile's. Sadly I don't think we're getting this awesomeness for some time still. Sucks.
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You are mistaken. The FCC does not need / can't test the 2100 Mhz band as those frequencies are used for the downlink i.e. the tower is emitting and the phone is only receiving. The phone emits RF energy on the 1700 band since this frequency band is used for the uplink in the AWS-1 spec. The FCC is checking to make sure the RF emissions from the phone conform to regulations so they test 1700Mhz and don't care about 2100Mhz as far as the phone is concerned. mmmkay? This is not a phone spec-sheet, it is simply the FCC test results.
The phone shown on that FCC summary WILL MOST DEFINITELY support full t-mo 3G and ATT's as well. It's similar to many of the recent Nokia phones in that respect.

Wow hats off to you because I totally forgot about that. FCC really can't/doesn't need to test downlinks. Yay for new T-Mobile nexus then haha?

it wont be coming to tmobil for awhile guys! as its a v exclusive first, sorry

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ibous said:
You are mistaken. The FCC does not need / can't test the 2100 Mhz band as those frequencies are used for the downlink i.e. the tower is emitting and the phone is only receiving. The phone emits RF energy on the 1700 band since this frequency band is used for the uplink in the AWS-1 spec. The FCC is checking to make sure the RF emissions from the phone conform to regulations so they test 1700Mhz and don't care about 2100Mhz as far as the phone is concerned. mmmkay? This is not a phone spec-sheet, it is simply the FCC test results.
The phone shown on that FCC summary WILL MOST DEFINITELY support full t-mo 3G and ATT's as well. It's similar to many of the recent Nokia phones in that respect.
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Thanks for the info.. After reading the other guy's post, It was like the end of the world, thanks for giving us hope! LOL..
this is how I was before the Galaxy s came out, I'm excited about something again! LoL

One thing has me worried about the Nexus Prime, the size!
It is nearly 4.7 inches. Maybe possible to still keep the phone small since the buttons are built into the OS/screen, untill I saw the leaked videous. If the phone in the leaked videos is really the next Nexus, it is HUGE and has a bunch of wasted Bezel space at the bottom. Size alone is a huge factor, I can't carry around a huge phone.

Look at the dimensions from the FCC.
124 by 68mm.
For comparison the vibrant is 122 by 64mm.
The nexus IS BARELY bigger than the Vibrant. I'd say the size is perfect. The lack of those physical buttons apparently really makes a difference.

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Look at the dimensions from the FCC.
124 by 68mm.
For comparison the vibrant is 122 by 64mm.
The nexus IS BARELY bigger than the Vibrant. I'd say the size is perfect. The lack of those physical buttons apparently really makes a difference.
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Thanks, I guess that huge black area of the bezel on the bottom on the videos is misleading if those dimensions you stated are accurate.
Gosh I want this phone, release it already! It better come to T-Mobile and not months from now! How much do you think it will cost at full retail without a contract? I hope not more than 500.
On a side note, if it uses the same PowerVR SGX540 as our Vibrant, that goes to show that our Vibrant still has a lot of power, at least in the GPU area. Nexus should have used a better GPU, but it's ok!

For those who still don't know how Bands work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
FCC tests only US bands for US market. So they always skip IMT Band (2100) even though it is present on the phone.

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Cant wait about it..

http://news.punchjump.com/2011/10/08/samsung-nexus-prime-final-specs-deploy-in-new-report/
5Mp Camera? Not 8?
1.2 Dual core not 1.5?
1,750 mAh battery? Thought it was supp to be in the 2000?
Is this true?

Google, please let me pre-order this phone NOW.
accordex said:
http://news.punchjump.com/2011/10/08/samsung-nexus-prime-final-specs-deploy-in-new-report/
5Mp Camera? Not 8?
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Does it really matter? can you see the difference?
It is a phone camera, don't expect real 8MP from an 8 MP phone camera. I mean even those compact cameras sensors are very small (little finger nail-size) and you can't compare their pictures quality with the ones from SLRs.
To me, 3MP is enough, more than that is a waste of storage space for a photo that is taken by a camera phone. My previous Vibrant camera had always been set to 4MP (Wide mode).

accordex said:
http://news.punchjump.com/2011/10/08/samsung-nexus-prime-final-specs-deploy-in-new-report/
5Mp Camera? Not 8?
1.2 Dual core not 1.5?
1,750 mAh battery? Thought it was supp to be in the 2000?
Is this true?
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That's coming from BGR's old rumors... Newer rumors say otherwise. Either way I don't see why people get their panties in a knot without any official word. Anyone could, potentially, release rumors of whatever they wanted.

degeneration said:
That's coming from BGR's old rumors... Newer rumors say otherwise. Either way I don't see why people get their panties in a knot without any official word. Anyone could, potentially, release rumors of whatever they wanted.
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Yeah it seemed weird, but it was dated OCT 8...didn't make much sense seeing as the Amaze has -the better ones- those specs and that phone is days away from launch...
And no I cannot tell the difference between 5-8MP couldn't care less...point is android phones come out with the newest hardware..always...so it seemed strange to have a camera that uses 2 year old technology is all...

Verizon version is supposed to have lower specifications than GSM version.
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Yeah it seemed weird, but it was dated OCT 8...didn't make much sense seeing as the Amaze has -the better ones- those specs and that phone is days away from launch...
And no I cannot tell the difference between 5-8MP couldn't care less...point is android phones come out with the newest hardware..always...so it seemed strange to have a camera that uses 2 year old technology is all...
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I might have not stated it too clearly but I found an article talking about how other articles are just digging up the rumors from the BGR article from forever ago.
Maybe that article was just optimistic and thinks the other ones were wrong, maybe it was right and the other ones were wrong. I am waiting until the phone is announced and Google (or the manufacturer) tells me what the specs are. I have no requirement to decide right now what I want to buy.

i'm pretty stoked, i thought about the Hercules, then was like hell i'll grab a gsm version of the sgsII HD then bam find out the Nexus Prime is a Boosted version of the SgsII HD, with stock android 4.0... can't beat that, straight ota updates from google, no twiddling my thumbs hoping my phone gets updates before my TV does. actually now that i think about it my samsung TV has gotten more Network updates then my Vibrant lol.
also who needs a 8 MP camera? anyone here gonna print out Billboards? that resolution seems silly. 5mp with a better lens and hardware is more then acceptable for a phone. you want to do true to life digital photography for business get Nikon, Sony, etc. Digital SLR.
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Verizon version is supposed to have lower specifications than GSM version.
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last i checked it was a dual mode phone, capable of both CDMA/LTE and GSM/HSPA very similar to the Verizon Droid bionic, sim slot for travel and cdma here on VZ's networks
also as far as specs and Rumor's go i find GSMarena/Phonescoop to be the best two sites for updates and near accurate information.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_google_galaxy_nexus_i9250-4219.php
camparison between SGSII HD and Nexus Prime
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=4198

boystuff said:
i'm pretty stoked, i thought about the Hercules, then was like hell i'll grab a gsm version of the sgsII HD then bam find out the Nexus Prime is a Boosted version of the SgsII HD, with stock android 4.0... can't beat that, straight ota updates from google, no twiddling my thumbs hoping my phone gets updates before my TV does. actually now that i think about it my samsung TV has gotten more Network updates then my Vibrant lol.
also who needs a 8 MP camera? anyone here gonna print out Billboards? that resolution seems silly. 5mp with a better lens and hardware is more then acceptable for a phone. you want to do true to life digital photography for business get Nikon, Sony, etc. Digital SLR.
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last i checked it was a dual mode phone, capable of both CDMA/LTE and GSM/HSPA very similar to the Verizon Droid bionic, sim slot for travel and cdma here on VZ's networks
also as far as specs and Rumor's go i find GSMarena/Phonescoop to be the best two sites for updates and near accurate information.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_google_galaxy_nexus_i9250-4219.php
camparison between SGSII HD and Nexus Prime
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=4198
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wait, Verizons Droid Bionic has a sim card slot for GSM? It works with T-MObiles 3g bands?

Sprint Deploying LTE-Advanced in 2013

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?

xboxfanj said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.

xboxfanj said:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-will-deploy-lte-advanced-first-half-2013/2011-10-25
Though 12-15 mbits/sec seems a little slow for LTE-Advanced considering that's what Verizon has now. What will standard LTE be on Sprint?
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That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.

lorenza said:
Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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lynyrd65 said:
That's what you will get in the 800mhz band. With a 5x5 which is the best they can do, you should get 5mhz*(5bits/hz) = 25mbps for regular LTE then something better for LTE advanced. Just FYI, Speed = Bandwidth * Spectral efficiency (for regular lte 5 bits/hz). So they are prbably going to deploy regular LTE in the 1900mhz band in 10x10 (or 10mhz up / 10mhz down) which should give us a theoretical max speed of (10Mhz)*(5bits/hz)= 50 mbps.
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I'd suggest you look at the article. It says they will deploy LTE Advanced in a 10x10 configuration. Given LTE Advanced has spectral efficiency near 15 bitz/hz, it should have a theoretical max of 150mhz.
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kennyglass123 said:
Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Technically, Sprint doesn't even own, operate, or handle the towers that have WiMax - those are all owned by ClearWire, which has major financial issues, especially with Sprint cutting their losses on them.
ClearWire estimates it needs 150-300 million to maintain their current WiMax network, without even expanding or doing LTE. They estimate it will take 600 million to upgrade to LTE Advanced and start rolling out to more areas.

lorenza said:
Give me a break...we don't even have 4G yet or Gingerbread yet.
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I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Sprint does not equal Epic. The dept. handling the Epic and the OTA is not the same handling the hardware network upgrades. I am sure they have more than 1 tech employee (although there are times it doesn't seem that way lol).
The Epic is such a tiny percentage of Sprint and am sure they could care less whether we get the OTA or not. I also think they will not be upgrading anymore towers with WImax with LTE coming.
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Agreed, but Sprint does equal Nextel and having LTE on the 1900 Mhz band (in 2013 mind you) isn't going to increase the signal penetration any better then it is right now. If Sprint got their head out of the a$$ a few years ago and started phasing out the ~850 Mhz Nextel people and put LTE on that band, they'd be able equal to Verizon/AT&T right now instead of in last place with the crappy Q3 report that was just released (another $300 million in the hole). Clearwire stock is still sitting under $2 a share with the other pending issue of Lightsquared GPS issue for which their solution is still not approved by the FCC.
Even know the iPhone might help them somewhat in this quarter, I'm hearing that data on 3G is crawling in many places right now, I can't wait to see how this situation ends.
Sprint's long term future is on very shaking ground right now, IMO, it hurts them to keep choosing the wrong technology to back. Before it was Nextel, now it WiMax tomorrow it will be...
P.S. It also doesn't help them after all of their eff ups to not support their phones or adequately test them before release, the Epic is one big Cluster F...

I just want some 4G period. Sprint better be rolling out LTE to the markets that don't even have Wi-Max first. I live in the biggest metro area in the state, and don't have Wi-Max, meanwhile some of the Podunk towns elsewhere do. WTH. Verizon has already announced LTE will be up here next month.

I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.

MikeyLee said:
I talked to Sprint about the fact that I've been told we would have 4 g in Phoenix over a year ago and still don't and was told we will not get it because Sprint is going LTE next year. And thats even if they put it here. So if you don't have 4g yet don't count in ever having it and just hope you actually get Or next year. In the mean time I dont pay premium data charges cause I don't get what I pay for. They credit me. It took a while but I got it done.
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Tell me how you got out of the premium data fee? I have spent probably 15 minutes total time on 4g in almost a year of having this phone. My 3g speeds are crap as well
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jnadke said:
I'm not a supporter of Sprint any more than the next guy. The only thing that keeps me around is the cheap price, quantity of minutes, and unlimited data. If any of those budges I would be gone.
Aside, I know Network Vision really is thrown around by a lot of people here (and maybe too much by some who don't have technical engineering backgrounds), but it's really a bold move by Sprint.
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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According to this and my attached screen shot:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprints-lte-plans-detailed-phones-tablets-and-modems-coming-b/
Sprint said that they will be adding LTE to the 1900 Mhz first, iDEN won't even begin to shutdown to the end of 2013, who knows how many months or years after they are off that band will they start to recycle the 850Mhz frequencies. Sprint didn't mention any of this at the Strategy Update event so it's not even official what they are doing with the 850Mhz range. They may end up selling it, to the highest bidder just to bail out Clearwire!
The software firmware change-out plan is cool if it works but they still have to get through supporting Clearwire, they need about 150-300 million dollars to stay afloat, no one else is footing that bill at the moment. If the FCC shoots down lightsquared proposed GPS fix, say goodbye to at least a portion of the 1500 Mhz spectrum.
Meanwhile more and more people are leaving Sprint, if they can't stabilize 3G for the iPhone users even more people are going to leave next year and what's the point of unlimited data if you can't access it. My Epic takes a good 2 to 3 minutes to populate my facebook feed via 3G with full bars, wifi takes a few seconds so it's not solely the phones problem.
I guess the bottom line is sure, Sprint has some plans in the future 2+ years down the line, at that point Sprint might be the carrier to beat, but they do have some GIGANTIC barriers to overcome first and the 2 big ones are Clearwire and 3G being stretched too thinly, the more iPhone users that pop up the more congested their network will become, it's a blessing and a curse that the iPhone doesn't have a Wimax radio onboard. It would have at the very least, lesson the congestion on the 3G bands...

jnadke said:
They're putting out Software Defined Radios on all new cell towers, something Verizon isn't doing in their LTE move.
Essentially, this will enable the move of LTE Advanced to be a software upgrade, rather than a full hardware change-out. I'd imagine they're waiting until 2013 so they can roll this out on the valuable 850Mhz nationwide iDen spectrum.
The 1900 Mhz will probably be restricted to CDMA Legacy operation. Sprint will concentrate their valuable 800 and 850 Mhz holding on the long-distance LTE / LTE Advanced.
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While Sprint is using Software Defined Radios, the idea of it being just a software upgrade to change things is a bit overstated. Potentially, future upgrades will also require a card swipe out as well, but still, a lot less upgrading will be needed in comparison to what they do now. If everything on that end was just software, why wouldn't they do Rev. B for their CDMA channels, as it would use the spectrum even more efficiently for the devices out there that already support it? Perhaps there is licensing to pay for using it?
Actually, the way they stated things at their Oct. 7th announcement, CDMA will be on 850mhz over time, and 1900mhz will be their LTE, although they'll eventually probably use both on both frequencies. Sprint holds more spectrum in the 1900mhz block than they do in the 850mhz (about 36mhz vs 14 mhz). Sprint needs both.

Nexus 4: Wireless charging > LTE?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-official-available-november-13th-starting-at-299/
Key specifications
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro processor with 1.5GHz Quad-Core Krait CPUs
Operating System: Android 4.2, Jelly Bean
Network: 3G (WCDMA), HSPA+
Display: 4.7-inch WXGA True HD IPS Plus (1280 x 768 pixels)
Memory: 8GB / 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Camera: 8.0MP rear / 1.3MP HD front
Battery: 2,100mAh Li-Polymer (embedded) / Talk time: 15.3 hours / Standby: 390 hours
Other: Wireless charging, NFC
Price: UNLOCKED - $299:8gb / $349:16gb ($199:16gb w/ 2yr T-Mobile contract)
Or, we can wait another 6 months or so for the SGS4

Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-

mooshubob said:
Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...

SwimDrewid said:
I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic

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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...

It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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AproSamurai said:
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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I love that it's unlocked, though. So we could put it on our carrier of choice, just no lte
J.ust A. R.eally V.ery I.ntelligent S.ystem

flastnoles11 said:
Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
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Nah, my epic is slowly falling apart (screen cracks, needs a new battery, among other things), and I don't have any need for a physical keyboard, meaning I don't need a phone this big.
And it's not really latest and greatest 2+ years after I got the device. Technology has moved further, and it'd be nice to have all the "comforts" of the phones of late 2012 - great, fast cameras, fast processor speeds, NFC, etc.
Again, I'm not anxious, I've had my upgrade available since July of this year, just wanting a good device worthy of an upgrade from the Epic, available on Sprint, which doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.

I'm considering the N4. Sprint's service has been so "meh!" in my area for the last 6 years, that switching to Tmobile or a MVNO seems to be a nice idea. Here is an article that gives some insight as to why no LTE radio.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-explanation-and-why-it-sort-of-makes-sense/

While I know that everyone has a different experience with their network, a side by side of LTE and HSPA+ shows that for the majority of users, HSPA+ will be perfectly fine (although most people considering a Nexus phone are probably power users), but the T-Mobile HSPA+ here in Denver beats the crap out of my WiMax network. My nephew has the Galaxy S 4G (not the S II) and it consistently gets speeds 25-30% faster than my average WiMax speeds. With the Nexus 4 it bears mentioning the added processing speed of the faster processor and additional RAM. I think overall Google may have made the right choice excluding LTE as it keeps the cost of an unlocked phone down. Has anyone seen what the iPhone 5 goes for? Or the SGS III? That they are producing this for 50% or less of other premium phones cost is amazing. Also, the Nexus 4 is SEXY
Just a point of reference, it's not perfect, but it shows some of the HSPA+ potential.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8

So a follow up on this, my friend on T-Mo with his SGS III just ran 6 speed tests for me of the HSPA+ network and his average DL in Denver was 21.73 Mbps and average UL was 2.36
Not as strong an upload as LTE, but the DL is about 5 times my average with WiMax and UL is pretty comparable.

LTE is a must feature, IMO. I like the fact that Google is sticking it to CDMA carriers, but it is a Pyrric victory. Nexus 4 sales will likely be sluggish, its specs notwithstanding. As for me, I no longer have any patience with Sprint (and its NetworkVision promises), and Epic, for all the wonderful dev effort, just isn't meant to run JB very well and now feels very dated when it comes to processing power and RAM. Going to get a VZW S3 in a few weeks.

There is now Sprint LTE in my area so I am rather anxious to upgrade. It is really too bad that the Nexus 4 is not going to be on Sprint and the Optimus G has less than stellar battery life and no removable battery/sd card, I guess even if the Nexus 4 was on Sprint it'd have the same downfalls.
If the SIII had the internals of the Note 2 (including the non-pentile screen), it'd be perfect.

N4 16GB ($350) + T-Mobile plan ($30 no contract) = FTW
Cannot resist that deal even with my Epic + SERO plan ($60)
Done with all this 4G/WiMax/LTE hype when in reality I hardly even use those speeds given the current coverage limitations.