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EVO - There we are, Android HD2 equivalent is announced

http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=vanity:evo
4.3'' screen, Sense, 1GHz Snapdragon, 8MP main cam + 1.3MP front one, same thin border design, added stand, all the same good stuff, plus even an HDMI output... Now who's complaining HD2 doesn't get WP7S? Screw WP7S

kilrah said:
http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=vanity:evo
4.3'' screen, Sense, 1GHz Snapdragon, 8MP main cam + 1.3MP front one, same thin border design, added stand, all the same good stuff, plus even an HDMI output... Now who's complaining HD2 doesn't get WP7S? Screw WP7S
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this must b released as hd3

Hopefully this will be easier to get android on the HD2 with this, hopefully someone will get a dump from this phone and let the android development begin!

I tried the N1 and didn't like it, even with the Desire ROM. Something about the aesthetic design of the HD2 lured me back. And it pretty much already did whatever I wanted, so that was cool too. If I didn't already have the HD2, I'd definitely switch for this phone!

im jealous, i don't know much about my HD2 but I put the buggyness and stuff down to it being windows, i thought the HD2 would be better as android.

I'm jealous...
I just ordered a Desire to replace my HD2, but this blows everything away... unfortunately, only for US citizens

wow. seriously.
hdmi out, 720p 8mp cam., front facing camera...
im still getting the tmo hd2. and from the pics of both, i still prefer the hd2 looks.

Do we know what 3G bands (if any) this supports?

optimus82 said:
wow. seriously.
hdmi out, 720p 8mp cam., front facing camera...
im still getting the tmo hd2. and from the pics of both, i still prefer the hd2 looks.
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It had to come didn't it? Just when we thought our gorgeous HD2 couldn't get any better.
Let's hope HTC are on a roll with these big screen fast machines, for now my trusty old HD2 will suffice (just about )

hd2 is now killed from both sides (no updates , better hardware avaliable)

New Snapdragon(8650), HDMI-out, 4G, 8Mpx Camera, 1.3Mpx Front Camera, 1Gb internal storage.. and the list goes on! Best phone ever.

There is just no end to this technology chasing race, now is there?
at this rate, I might as well have 4 different lines.
T-Mobile, At&T, Verizon and Sprint.
Oh, and to top that,
EVO has 1500Mah battery.
[email protected]!

Spike15 said:
Do we know what 3G bands (if any) this supports?
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Re-posting this so it doesn't get overlooked -- it's the important question for non-Sprint customers or non-USA residents.

hoss_n2 said:
hd2 is now killed from both sides (no updates , better hardware avaliable)
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so what? do you expect it to be best phone for ever? omg I don't get people like you... buy something and expect it to be the best think for eternity.

shu8i said:
what? do you expect it to be best phone for ever? omg I don't get people like you... buy something and expect it to be the best think for eternity.
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i didnot say that i only said it is killed iam who don't understand you

Looks thicker. Maybe 14-16mm? Seems like they integrated the kickstand from the extended HD2 battery into the body of the EVO.

Toss3 said:
New Snapdragon(8650)[/B] [/U]
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The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
And, like aceo07 said, it seems to be thicker - and longer too.
The Evo 4G looks nice, but I think the HD2's formfactor is perfect ... wouldn't want to trade for an hdmi output and the better camera, as I just don't really need both ...

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The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
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Quoting this for effect and reinforcement.

chalid said:
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
And, like aceo07 said, it seems to be thicker - and longer too.
The Evo 4G looks nice, but I think the HD2's formfactor is perfect ... wouldn't want to trade for an hdmi output and the better camera, as I just don't really need both ...
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I'd trade in mine any second! I know it isn't faster, but newer hardware is always newer hardware.

Toss3 said:
I'd trade in mine any second! I know it isn't faster, but newer hardware is always newer hardware.
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8650 is not new it was released when ours released and there is devices already uses it ,look at qualcomm site

Whoa... No HSPA+?

Is that even possible?

Hummingbird Chipset
My guess would be that the Samsung Hummingbird chipset only supports 7.2 Mbps. Same as with the GSM Galaxy S series handsets.

many reasons why it may not be there. but you still get up to 7.2Mbps down which is very good.

Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......

To me, it doesn't matter. I live in a HSPA+ area and have never even come close to getting 7.2Mbps on a G2. Let alone HSPA+ speeds.

How many networks actually support those speeds anyways ?? I mean in reality not on paper. Besides, 7Mbps is enough for all mobile needs, a youtube 720p HD video averages around 2Mbps which is the highest bandwidth consuming task I can think of. Unless you are planning to tether it to a laptop and download huge files, which IMO is not a requirement for many users, since mobile data is pretty expensive.

th0r615 said:
Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......
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lol Anyways whats the big deal. 99% person of the world is not on 4G yet
I know we wanted everything from this phone but its not to be

I don't care since in my country we don't even have 4G so that would be completely useless.
But I understand entirely you're complaining about it, they're expected to make progress not regression(but that's technology, constructers choose what we will get...).

It's true "4G" isn't prominent right now. I'm guessing the disappointment comes when you try to see Nexus S as a phone into 2011, and beyond. Dropping $529 dollars for a phone that won't be taking advantage of "4G" speeds which all carriers are moving toward and pushing for, and which handsets are already featuring, doesn't seem future-proof, and maybe even a step back. It doesn't live up to the Nexus branding.

Agreed. I've decided to stay with my Samsung Epic (which has a bad ESN that I bought for $300 and I am using as an Android touch), and wait it out. When phones that come out that are compare to the Galaxy S as how the Nexus One overshadowed the Hero, I'll probably upgrade. Not then ... it's not worth selling my current phone.

I'm seriously thinking about returning this now

I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.

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I feel the same way as you. Im not going to say its a bad phone but we all had such high expectations. Who knows maybe LG might make the next NEXUS. I switched from my N1 because that was already starting go get me mad. I use to hate my brothers Vibrant because the screen was so amazing. So my Pros overpower the Cons so ill stick to it. Maybe when the new LG comes out ill jump on it, but i HATE branded phones. loaded with a bunch of crap i don't need.

Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.

thepoetvd776 said:
I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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i agree with most but now the negatives.
- no community support " really, who buys an LG phone here? "
- its 2.2, they promised 2.3 which will probably be ****ty just like 2.2 on Galaxy S
- for sure no Android 3.0
- its an LG phone. how many times i have to say it ?
in paper, the Lg 2X is amazing. will i buy one ? probably i will. i think think the nexus S is a disspointment in terms of power
its not a bad phone. its just a galaxy S with better software " no rfs bull**** " and support by google. so android 3.0 is coming
plus. its a 3 months away. you could always buy the nexus S and sell it later if that phone is better. BUT if you already have nexus 1 or newer, then yeah dont spend money on nexus S
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Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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please dont post bull****. thank you and good bye

I suspect the shipped units will have kernels that're set up just fine.
Also just because LG doesn't have a big dev following yet, doesn't mean it wont when this comes out. This could be the thing that starts it off for them.

I seriously thought about waiting for the LG phone, primarily because of the Tegra2 and the 8MP camera. There was one major reason I didn't wait:
Straight Google Experience.
I am sick and tired of waiting for months on end for manufacturers and carriers to update the OS. And I'm tired of wondering if a manufacturer will update an OS for a phone at all.
Sure, the developers here on XDA are amazing, but they still need hardware drivers from the manufacturers to work their magic.
I just wanted to know that I was going to have a phone that Google supported.

Dudes-
It's not like you didn't know the specs before buying the thing. LOL.
Seriously, some of the design decisions on the phone are mind-boggling (no AT&T support like the Vibrant has, no "4G" support, no external sdcard, etc), but we knew these decisions before purchasing.
Personally, I love Galaxy S phones, and this is the best looking, best fitting in my hand of the lot, but I'd been using an i9000 on AT&T and in the areas of Los AngelesI frequent, the AT&T service is better overall than T-Mo. If the phone were 4G, I'd put up with the poorer coverage of T-Mo, but as is, the T-Mo service has me 50/50 on keeping the phone or not.
I have to disagree with the above comment that if you have a Nexus One this upgrade doesn't make sense. The much superior 4" SAMOLED vs. the 3.7" AMOLED screen is reason enough to dump the N1 for the NS, especially if you spend any time in the sunlight. The vastly superior multi-touch touch screen of the NS is also reason enough to switch, IMHO.
To each his own, though.

I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?

4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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RogerPodacter said:
I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.

distortedloop said:
HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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I second that. And pple keep talking about this tegra 2 crap what really are you gonna use dual core for? I mean lets be senseful here? With Gingerbread this phone is already fast and and pretty much polished. Tegra 2 is probably gonna be a battery hog. And this phone is gonna be full of LG/TMO bloatware, and no support at all its gonna be atuck at 2.3 for ever. That's 'IF' it even releases on 2.3. Anf Honestly who wants an LG phone c'mon now. Return your phone and you shall regret. Trust me the Nexus S is sold out pretty much everywhere when u return it and try to change ur mind to get it again its gonna be gone.. And I know thats gonna happen

rashad1 said:
4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.

thepoetvd776 said:
I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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So let me ask you something. Are dual core phones gonna drop the iPhone 4 value as well? I mean its gonna be single core for a while chances are the next one will STILL be single core.

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.. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster"...
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
10:45 http://www.phonedog.com/videos/google-nexus-s-vs-mytouch-4g-dogfight-pt-2/
So whats the big deal everyone is dying for 4G? This reminds me of the Iphone4 vs HTC Evo video lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

I hardly even get 2 megabits where I live.If you're area had HSPA+ its capped at what 6.5 isnt that enough for video chat?Also he had sprint maybe better coverage where you were and had nothing to do with 4g

sstang2006 said:
Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.

The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.

csmall said:
The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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EXACTLY.....& T-MOBILE 3G coverage is not even everywhere yet so what makes them think 4G will be everywhere in the next few months??

Might as well never get a phone then, since new phones come out every month or two, you'll end up waiting forever.

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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
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- I can tell you for sure 80% of cities with HSPA+ you will get the same speed on a non HSPA+ device. If the OP is not even getting a good 3G how can he get a good HSPA+.
- That will be 2 guys test. The second one is me. I had the G2 ("4G") and I tested its speed in Miami, FL (definitely HSPA+ area) and there was no difference at ALL, different times, different locations.
- I'm sure there are places where HSPA+ is a lot faster but thats the minority. If HSPA+ in my were was much faster, sure I will mind, but it is not.

GS2 > Atrix

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It honestly isn't much of an upgrade from the Atrix. Sure, the screen has magnificent deep colours, but it does have a lower resolution and makes everything look blurry to me after a while. I also heard screens like AMOLED kinda "burn out" and degrade after a while, which is worrying!
All in all, to me, it's like a more expensive version of the Atrix with a better screen. (More expensive as in it costs around £500 unlocked in the UK whereas Atrix is closer to £300 but anyway, i got the Atrix super cheap with a contract and could not be happier!)

I'm not giving up my Atrix for anything less than a Galaxy Nexus.

WiredPirate said:
I'm not giving up my Atrix for anything less than a Galaxy Nexus.
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This, or to be fair i saw the new motorola razr and it intrigued the hell out of me!

King_MSD said:
This, or to be fair i saw the new motorola razr and it intrigued the hell out of me!
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Agreed, the Razr looked badass!! But I still couldn't pick it over the GN..

WiredPirate said:
Agreed, the Razr looked badass!! But I still couldn't pick it over the GN..
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Yeah nothing beats the GN, the thing is after having the atrix i dont want to ever go back to a phone without a fingerprint scanner! Hopefully Motorola now do an amazing phone with google too!

WiredPirate said:
I'm not giving up my Atrix for anything less than a Galaxy Nexus.
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WARNING PERSONAL OPINION AHEAD!
Wait for the Galaxy? Yeah, try again. I am waiting until after CES next year for anything upgrade worthy. Same thing I did last year when the Nexus 2 (S) came out. I waited a couple months for the Olympus to hit and I snatched her up in Feb. The Nexus Galaxy is "alright", but not what I expected really. I was expecting a "GENIUSPhone" not another smart one. Yea its stock Google, it gets the updates first, its pretty and curved, but so what? As long as I get CM9 on the Atrix I am good for quite some time (not coming up for true upgrade til this time next year). And to stray even further off topic, I am not even all that interested in a quadcore phone (which the NexG is not, however CES will showcase them), only the tablets. That's the whole reason I have waited for the Kal-El's to drop, I dont want a giant phone (dual core). I was also waiting for 4.0 to debut. I will honestly prob wait for the nexus next year and consider it. I just hate they release them so late in the year. By the time they hit AT&T bands there is already better hardware flooding the market.
OT: The SII is nice but really, meh. Give it a month and it will be forgoten about when the Galaxy is officially out. Give that 2.5 months and the Galaxy will be forgotten when CES rolls around. We are on the last leg of dual core being "top of line". Just wait a few months, it will be a standard feature then and quads will be bleeding edge.

King_MSD said:
Yeah nothing beats the GN, the thing is after having the atrix i dont want to ever go back to a phone without a fingerprint scanner! Hopefully Motorola now do an amazing phone with google too!
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I agree again! I LOVE my fingerprint scanner and am really sad Moto hasn't included it on more phones! Just the idea of fp scanner was cool before I ever bought the phone or knew if fp worked well, but now that I use it every day and know it works extremely well I'm gonna have a hard time "upgrading" to my next device. I wont even flash CM7 until it supports fp, and I'm a huge CM7 fan seeing the miracles it did for my Captivate. I wonder why Moto dropped the fp all together.? I kinda assumed after the Atrix we would see almost all phones with them, or at least a hand full of Motos.. I never thought it would just be discarded and maybe even because of "facial recognition". Boo.
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malfuncion said:
WARNING PERSONAL OPINION AHEAD!
Wait for the Galaxy? Yeah, try again. I am waiting until after CES next year for anything upgrade worthy. Same thing I did last year when the Nexus 2 (S) came out. I waited a couple months for the Olympus to hit and I snatched her up in Feb. The Nexus Galaxy is "alright", but not what I expected really. I was expecting a "GENIUSPhone" not another smart one. Yea its stock Google, it gets the updates first, its pretty and curved, but so what? As long as I get CM9 on the Atrix I am good for quite some time (not coming up for true upgrade til this time next year). And to stray even further off topic, I am not even all that interested in a quadcore phone (which the NexG is not, however CES will showcase them), only the tablets. That's the whole reason I have waited for the Kal-El's to drop, I dont want a giant phone (dual core). I was also waiting for 4.0 to drop. I will honestly prob wait for the nexus next year and consider it. I just hate they drop them so late in the year. By the time they hit AT&T bands there is already better hardware flooding the market.
OT: The SII is nice but really, meh. Give it a month and it will be forgoten about when the Galaxy drops. Give that 2.5 months and the Galaxy will be forgotten when CES rolls around. We are on the last leg of dual core being "top of line". Just wait a few months, it will be a standard feature then and quads will be bleeding edge.
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Once more I would like to agree lol, yall are just reading my mind today. I would give up my Atrix for a GN if one fell out of the sky, but I am perfectly content with the Atrix and have no plans on upgrading before contract is up. (Unless its to leave ATTs ****ty ass service for Verizon who is the only carrier in my area to have voice/data all over my county.) I also couldn't care less about a quad-core phone but wouldn't carry anything less than a dual-core after getting use to it. (The dual-core IS a standard feature for current phones imo) The atrix does any and every thing I throw at it perfectly, no lag like with the Cap.. I dont think anybody will argue the #1 reason, best reason, and maybe even the only reason to upgrade from Atrix to GN is ICS. And personally I think in time the Atrix will see ICS, but thats just my speculation, of course nobody knows at this time. Bring on CES!

Aaaaaaargh GALAXY NEXUS NOW!!!!!!!!!
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Can't seem to find if At&t uses the AWS1700 band or not....I think it is. From what I've been reading, the FCC document that has been posted online doesn't show the 2100 frequency but I've learned that the FCC doesn't test that frequency because it is the receive data frquency which they don't care about, just transmit levels. Every carrier has blocks of the 700mhz frequency but TMO has that locked down for now until the aquisition hearing is over in Feb? I think. LTE can run on 1700/2100 bands which the Galaxy Nexus has and they say LTE is optional depending on area....which we have in a few areas so far....so I consider it running HSPA+/LTE when it's released. BTW...The SCHI515 (Verizon version) hasn't made it to the FCC as of yet or hasn't been approved so the way it looks to me.....At&t and maybe T-Mo will launch before Verizon in the states, but that's just my impression from all the searching I've been doing.

Phoneguy589 said:
Can't seem to find if At&t uses the AWS1700 band or not....I think it is. From what I've been reading, the FCC document that has been posted online doesn't show the 2100 frequency but I've learned that the FCC doesn't test that frequency because it is the receive data frquency which they don't care about, just transmit levels. Every carrier has blocks of the 700mhz frequency but TMO has that locked down for now until the aquisition hearing is over in Feb? I think. LTE can run on 1700/2100 bands which the Galaxy Nexus has and they say LTE is optional depending on area....which we have in a few areas so far....so I consider it running HSPA+/LTE when it's released. BTW...The SCHI515 hasn't made it to the FCC as of yet or hasn't been approved so the way it looks to me.....At&t and maybe T-Mo will launch before Verizon in the states, but that's just my impression from all the searching I've been doing.
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T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 for their HSPA network. 1900 is their 2G/EDGE network. AT&T uses 850 for their HSPA network and 1900 for their 2G/EDGE network. LTE is strictly limited to the 700MHz and 1700 bands in North America. 1700 MHz belongs to T-Mobile. The 700 MHz band is owned by several companies including AT&T and Verizon. Even though they share the same 700 MHz band, they are incompatable with each other. Verizon uses Blocks A and C whereas AT&T uses block B. There are 2 Galaxy Nexus phones, an HSPA+ and an LTE version. The LTE version is a Verizon exclusive in the USA. SCH-I515 is the Verizon LTE version and the GT-I9250 is most likely the AT&T version as it doesn't support the 2100 band for T-Mobile.

TMo At&t and VZN all have blocks in the 700mhz range..lower blocks are more usable which the FCC is trying to have all carriers share the entire frequency which I don't think will happen. At&t does have 1700 and 2100 bands as well...
HTC Jetstream LTE specifications:
Networks: GSM, UMTS, HSPA+, LTE
Bands: GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz, UMTS 850, 1900, 2100 MHz, LTE 700 Mhz
They are using 2100mhz as the downstream from the tower which the FCC WILL NOT test because that would require going out to the tower. the 700 is the true LTE as they can send and receive within those blocks BUT Tmobile has the land covered. BTW...We lease a major of space and supply all the carriers with fiber to their towers. TMobile is going down and trying to convince the court they have no money make their service better so we will buy them, get them on our page (whether they like it or night) and start on the next biggest thing.
Depending the area and tower availbility we could provide this:
Frequencies used on the AT&T Network 850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
700 MHz LTE 4G

Phoneguy589 said:
TMo At&t and VZN all have blocks in the 700mhz range..lower blocks are more usable which the FCC is trying to have all carriers share the entire frequency which I don't think will happen. At&t does have 1700 and 2100 bands as well...
HTC Jetstream LTE specifications:
Networks: GSM, UMTS, HSPA+, LTE
Bands: GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz, UMTS 850, 1900, 2100 MHz, LTE 700 Mhz
They are using 2100mhz as the downstream from the tower which the FCC WILL NOT test because that would require going out to the tower. the 700 is the true LTE as they can send and receive within those blocks BUT Tmobile has the land covered. BTW...We lease a major of space and supply all the carriers with fiber to their towers. TMobile is going down and trying to convince the court they have no money make their service better so we will buy them, get them on our page (whether they like it or night) and start on the next biggest thing.
Depending the area and tower availbility we could provide this:
Frequencies used on the AT&T Network 850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
700 MHz LTE 4G
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T-Mobile holds no licenses in the 700MHz spectrum. AT&T has no holdings in the 1700 or 2100 bands for UMTS. Those are strictly T-Mobile bands. T-Mobile pretty much owns all of the 1700 band for LTE.

I'm actually quite impressed with the s 2 super amoled screen is amazing not to mention the size and weight of the phone but more than anything else the reason why I want to change the atrix is because clearly the support for it is dying fast ... which is pretty ridiculous... and the few only developers working on it still all seem to be ready to jump on the nexus... which will leave us totally stranded... quite sad actually...
I would have wanted to get the nexus... but it was a pretty big disappointment when its specs are inferior to the s2 in every way apart from just the screen... and the nexus is just too damn big... fine the nexus has ics but soon enough so will the s2... and considering there are 10 million people with the s2 already there will be plenty of developement for quite a while... like the Galaxy S still has more development than the atrix...
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I get that people are always eager for the next shiny object, but until software development catches up with the hardware I don't see a need to upgrade, the hardware in the Atrix has still yet to be fully utilized. I you might get a marginally better android experience by upgrading; the difference will be almost negligible.
The Tegra 3, with 5 CPU cores and 12 GPU cores, is worth waiting for. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/09/tegra-3-5-cores/

My Opinion
For me, Atrix is absolutely perfect because of these unique features:
- A LARGE 4" qHD screen yet a SMALL form factor
- A massive battery
- GREAT sound quality due to Wolfsen chip
- Oh, and the fingerprint scanner
No other phones have these crucial features! Phones are getting massive and I hate them because I have tiny hands!!
The galaxy Nexus is 136 x 68!? WTF!? It should have been the Nexus S' size but have a 4.3 - 4.5" screen with on screen buttons.
Also, the battery is only 1750mAh, pushing a 720p screen!? That is ridicules!! Also, the processor is the TI OMAP series which has the weak SGX540 - which has to push a 1280x720 screen!!
As for the SGS2, it is stupidly massive, has a WVGA screen which I personally don't like anymore after using the Atrix's qHD and TBH, I don't like the screen too much as it produces cartoonish colours. It also has a poor sound chip compared to the Atrix's Wolfsen Audio chip which is just sensational.
For me, the only phone above the Atrix is the iPhone 4S, that is genuinely a VERY GOOD all round phone. The A5 chip is absolutely BEASTLY with a dual core SGX543MP2 GPU and it is beautifully optimized with the software. I personally think the 4S is gonna be one of the most underrated phones this year. It's dual core performace will most likely trump future quad cores because of it's optimization.

Only reason I mentioned the 2100mhz was what I had seen a Verizon page comparing LTE buildouts ---> http://bookstore.ucsd.edu/images/pdf/VZW_LTE_Competitive_Comparison_Overview.pdf It shows 700/1700/2100 under At&t but a small bandwith.

Really. I got an AT&T GS2 and love it. I had an Atrix from the beginning on and it never felt fast and the sensitivity of the screen wasn't high enough for me. It's a good phone don't understand me wrong but the gs2 is so much faster, smoother and the camera is so much better. Don't even feel like rooting it because I am totally happy. I give the Atrix a 7/10 and the GS2 a 9. BTW I used cm7 on my Atrix and still wasn't happy.
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Gs2 runs a lower resolution and is hardware accelerated. It better be snappy. But galaxy nexus ftw!
I voided my warranty and your mum.

I'm not interested in GSII at all. Bigger screen and a lower resolution just doesn't interest me.
I am however, very interested in the Galaxy Nexus. It's definitely drool worthy and the no-lag camera alone may be worth it. However, as my job require me to work long hours (30+ hours), Atrix may still be the only option given the excellent battery life.

Nexus 4: Wireless charging > LTE?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-official-available-november-13th-starting-at-299/
Key specifications
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro processor with 1.5GHz Quad-Core Krait CPUs
Operating System: Android 4.2, Jelly Bean
Network: 3G (WCDMA), HSPA+
Display: 4.7-inch WXGA True HD IPS Plus (1280 x 768 pixels)
Memory: 8GB / 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Camera: 8.0MP rear / 1.3MP HD front
Battery: 2,100mAh Li-Polymer (embedded) / Talk time: 15.3 hours / Standby: 390 hours
Other: Wireless charging, NFC
Price: UNLOCKED - $299:8gb / $349:16gb ($199:16gb w/ 2yr T-Mobile contract)
Or, we can wait another 6 months or so for the SGS4

Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-

mooshubob said:
Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...

SwimDrewid said:
I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic

mooshubob said:
I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...

It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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AproSamurai said:
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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I love that it's unlocked, though. So we could put it on our carrier of choice, just no lte
J.ust A. R.eally V.ery I.ntelligent S.ystem

flastnoles11 said:
Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
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Nah, my epic is slowly falling apart (screen cracks, needs a new battery, among other things), and I don't have any need for a physical keyboard, meaning I don't need a phone this big.
And it's not really latest and greatest 2+ years after I got the device. Technology has moved further, and it'd be nice to have all the "comforts" of the phones of late 2012 - great, fast cameras, fast processor speeds, NFC, etc.
Again, I'm not anxious, I've had my upgrade available since July of this year, just wanting a good device worthy of an upgrade from the Epic, available on Sprint, which doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.

I'm considering the N4. Sprint's service has been so "meh!" in my area for the last 6 years, that switching to Tmobile or a MVNO seems to be a nice idea. Here is an article that gives some insight as to why no LTE radio.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-explanation-and-why-it-sort-of-makes-sense/

While I know that everyone has a different experience with their network, a side by side of LTE and HSPA+ shows that for the majority of users, HSPA+ will be perfectly fine (although most people considering a Nexus phone are probably power users), but the T-Mobile HSPA+ here in Denver beats the crap out of my WiMax network. My nephew has the Galaxy S 4G (not the S II) and it consistently gets speeds 25-30% faster than my average WiMax speeds. With the Nexus 4 it bears mentioning the added processing speed of the faster processor and additional RAM. I think overall Google may have made the right choice excluding LTE as it keeps the cost of an unlocked phone down. Has anyone seen what the iPhone 5 goes for? Or the SGS III? That they are producing this for 50% or less of other premium phones cost is amazing. Also, the Nexus 4 is SEXY
Just a point of reference, it's not perfect, but it shows some of the HSPA+ potential.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8

So a follow up on this, my friend on T-Mo with his SGS III just ran 6 speed tests for me of the HSPA+ network and his average DL in Denver was 21.73 Mbps and average UL was 2.36
Not as strong an upload as LTE, but the DL is about 5 times my average with WiMax and UL is pretty comparable.

LTE is a must feature, IMO. I like the fact that Google is sticking it to CDMA carriers, but it is a Pyrric victory. Nexus 4 sales will likely be sluggish, its specs notwithstanding. As for me, I no longer have any patience with Sprint (and its NetworkVision promises), and Epic, for all the wonderful dev effort, just isn't meant to run JB very well and now feels very dated when it comes to processing power and RAM. Going to get a VZW S3 in a few weeks.

There is now Sprint LTE in my area so I am rather anxious to upgrade. It is really too bad that the Nexus 4 is not going to be on Sprint and the Optimus G has less than stellar battery life and no removable battery/sd card, I guess even if the Nexus 4 was on Sprint it'd have the same downfalls.
If the SIII had the internals of the Note 2 (including the non-pentile screen), it'd be perfect.

N4 16GB ($350) + T-Mobile plan ($30 no contract) = FTW
Cannot resist that deal even with my Epic + SERO plan ($60)
Done with all this 4G/WiMax/LTE hype when in reality I hardly even use those speeds given the current coverage limitations.