A the title says Asus announced a quad core Nvidia tegra 3 tablet ,
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/asus-jonney-shih-unveils-transformer-2-at-asiad/ personally if I get icecream sandwich I won't upgrade . What do you think ?
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Quadcore....tempting...
But I agree, if we get ICS, I'm stickin to Gtab.
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But I agree, if we get ICS, I'm stickin to Gtab.
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like you I'm very tempted esp after seeing the pics of the new Transformer Prime. If I don't do an impulsive purchase, I'll wait to see if Samsung is going to release a Quadcore GTab.
If it's thinner, lighter and price-wise = or cheaper than the GT then hell yeah!
not even sure if we're gonna get ICS on tabs now..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312195
Maybe in a year or two, but I don't feel the need to update just because there's a newer faster Tablet on the horizon. I bought my Tab for what it's capable of doing right now.
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not even sure if we're gonna get ICS on tabs now..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312195
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On the emulator they found the tablet interface so ICS IS DESIGNED FOR TABLETS ALSO see the vudeo on engadget
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Who wouldn't like a faster processor? They're just planning to launch a 3G version of the Transformer I this month and it'll only have a HSPA 14.4 modem. I (finally) got my new 3G Tab from the UK yesterday. It's got a different display, pulls 8GB down on AT&T, and the KH3 ROM vastly improves screen responsiveness and transitions. Hardware's just one part of the equation. Samsung's audio and video codec support is second to none. If I abandon ship, it'll be to a quad-core Samsung Tab.
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Who wouldn't like a faster processor? They're just planning to launch a 3G version of the Transformer I this month and it'll only have a HSPA 14.4 modem. I (finally) got my new 3G Tab from the UK yesterday. It's got a different display, pulls 8GB down on AT&T, and the KH3 ROM vastly improves screen responsiveness and transitions. Hardware's just one part of the equation. Samsung's audio and video codec support is second to none. If I abandon ship, it'll be to a quad-core Samsung Tab.
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What do you mean by a different display. Aren't all galaxy tab 10.1 uses samsung super PLS display
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I could care less about the display honestly
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What do you mean by a different display. Aren't all galaxy tab 10.1 uses samsung super PLS display
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I'm still setting up the new Tab. Once I'm done I'll post the differences between it and the U.S. Wi-Fi version I've been using. The display's definately different. Maybe they updated it because of the Newton rings. When you look at it from the side, you can see a very subtle texture under the glass. Also, the color temperature is cooler and colors aren't as exagerated. It's a definite improvement (to me). The back has also been changed. It's now solid black with a soft-touch coating vs. the metal-esque grey plastic of the Wi-Fi version. The UK 3G Tabs were received by resellers last week and have an October build date.
If the build quality on the quad core is the same as the reg TF, then NO. The TF is a crappy product. The Tab is much more refined.
Putting a Turbo charged engine in a lawnmower doesn't make it a porsche.
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Putting a Turbo charged engine in a lawnmower doesn't make it a porsche.
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If the build quality on the quad core is the same as the reg TF, then NO. The TF is a crappy product. The Tab is much more refined
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The build quality on my TF is perfectly fine - it is in no way a crappy product.
In my opinion, the TF is a different class of product to the Galaxy Tab 10.1, which is a definitely a "purer" tablet experience, and in general I do prefer my GT10.1 over my TF.
However, when I go on vacation next week, I will probably leave my GT10.1 at home, and take the Asus TF with dock instead because of the advantages the dock brings.
If the new TF can bring the tablet experience of the GT10.1, with the flexibility of the TF dock, I'm sold.
Regards,
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I'm still setting up the new Tab. Once I'm done I'll post the differences between it and the U.S. Wi-Fi version I've been using. The display's definately different. Maybe they updated it because of the Newton rings. When you look at it from the side, you can see a very subtle texture under the glass. Also, the color temperature is cooler and colors aren't as exagerated. It's a definite improvement (to me). The back has also been changed. It's now solid black with a soft-touch coating vs. the metal-esque grey plastic of the Wi-Fi version. The UK 3G Tabs were received by resellers last week and have an October build date.
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I have got the uk 3g here in Egypt from Vodafone official store and I liked the black back allot more valuable than both metallic and write backs, thanks for your reply and wating for your comparison between the two versions
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The build quality on my TF is perfectly fine - it is in no way a crappy product.
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I wouldn't call it "crappy" but I'd say it's pretty average. I looked at all the tablets before buying the G-Tab and none of them were as refined h/w wise. The Transformer's I played with all creaked and the display wan't as good as the G-Tab. Friends have Transformer's and some have had to either exchange them or send them in for service for various h/w issues. (And I know, the G-Tab has Newton rings but it hasn't effected my two or those owned by friends.)
is it not scaring any of you that quad cores are coming so fast.. it means google and the manifacturers did not even give their tablets a year to sit on their thrones (not even a half year for many ones).. it gives me the fear of being outdated "abnormally fast" (please mind that statement=abnormally fast) no matter what i buy... and now there is the risk for our tegra 2 tablets not to get ICS.. it also scares me to be outdated easily again.. i mean, if the biggest rival apple is still caring about their iphone 3gs even after 2 more new models, what manifacturers are doing sounds so nokia-ish (like giving birth to many children but not caring about their growing).. is it not?
No plans on switching. Waiting for ICS update and I will be happy.
Regarding TF201 I don't really fancy the "rings" used on on the back and the bezel that is big. But it got better battery with the dock (hence the big bezel).
Love my Galaxy Tab and wouldn't trade it for a Transformer.
The tab I want next is based on these factors:
- form: how thin and portable is it
- display: must be vivid and sharp, no les than samsung quality
- expansion: absolute must. itis the single place the STab failed on for me
- price: has to be market price or better, no first adopter prices please
- processor: the more powerful a processor you get, the less likley you will need to upgarde for a longer term
I will hold no loyalty to a brand, but some brands do things better insome areas than others. For now, the Asus pad, at least visually, looks pretty sweet.
If the quad/tegra3 can play my 1080p mkv content off my portable hard drive while connected to a HDTV with the HDMI cable plugged in then I'm sold.
As of right now when I bring movies home to my parents for my dad to watch I still have to use my bulky laptop. I got the tab in hopes I could decrease my travel weight. Alas I've only added as now I bring my tab AND my laptop.
So sad.
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I bought the Xoom Sunday without contract, and I am debating on returning it and wait for the Samsung's 10.1 tab. I really like my xoom, I haven't had any big issues with my xoom but I don't like how there is like nothing for honeycomb yet. I read about people having problems with hd videos because of the processor. The Samsung is suppose to have a better screen and a better rear camera.
I would like other peoples opinions on "should I return my xoom?"
Outside of the screen and camera those are really the only two differences. Aesthetics also i guess.
Samsung has shown they turn their back on recent devices, for me I love the xoom
After hearing from multiple sources that the GTab 10.1 feels like a cheap plastic iPad I don't even care about it anymore. I also heard the "aluminum" rim around it was painted plastic. Of course, this is all personal preference... but I don't like the negativity surrounding this thing's build quality.
If the screen is that much better, then maybe I will reconsider.
some major problem with the samsung is NO USB, NO HDMI, NO MicroSD card
These are huge issues.
The xoom hardware is capable of supporting usb host with the right adapter and software.
Samsung is going all proprietary
Finally, the xoom's screen isnt BAD its just not as bright/has as much contrast as the ipad - but you get a higher resolution as a trade-off. (and again the screen isnt THAT much different)
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some major problem with the samsung is NO USB, NO HDMI, NO MicroSD card
These are huge issues.
The xoom hardware is capable of supporting usb host with the right adapter and software.
Samsung is going all proprietary
Finally, the xoom's screen isnt BAD its just not as bright/has as much contrast as the ipad - but you get a higher resolution as a trade-off. (and again the screen isnt THAT much different)
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I guess that just changed my mind. I had no idea that it was missing all that stuff.
Thanks.
Thought the Xoom had better viewing angles than the Galaxy 10.1? Xoom also isnt plastic, another plus for it. Does the Galaxy 10.1 come with an unlockable bootloader?
Ugh... What Honeycomb tablet will be crowned king? =/
I think for the next few months the Xoom just wins~
for me it's definitely xoom, though admittedly I would want a lighter tablet.
What about the LG tablet?
That one is a real contender too.
It is smaller and lighter.
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What about the LG tablet?
That one is a real contender too.
It is smaller and lighter.
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Afraid they're going to charge a premium for the 3D ability of it (3D screen and extra camera means more $$). I think the 8.9" formfactor might be nice but I don't see it being any more stelar than GT10.1 or Xoom, and it might cost just as much or more.
Samsung stated that after the iPad 2 came out with its specs and price, they needed to "re-evaluate" their pricing and components on the Galaxy Tab 10.1. This means we might see a cheap version of it, which makes it more appealing to me. Some of the shortcomings I can live with (no HDMI is fine with me), but some things like no MicroSD is just a deal breaker unless i can buy a 64GB GT10.1 for the same price as a 32GB Xoom. I don't care about the plastic back, if it makes it lighter and is relatively sturdy, I'm okay with that.
Just in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003417
Apparently, Samsung redesigned the 10.1" to be thinner, lighter than iPad2 and added a microSD card too!
Awesome!
Unfortunately, the YouTube video has been pulled out.
Can't wait, 16:00 time (GMT)!
Bye xoom, hello galaxy tab 10. 1.
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Bye xoom, hello galaxy tab 10. 1.
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Yes. I think I'm going with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 too. Only disappointment with it is, the 3 MP rear camera, a price to pay for the thinness. But, on the positive side, it has Divx/Xvid support too, so hopefully should not have video playback issues, as on Xoom.
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Just in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003417
Apparently, Samsung redesigned the 10.1" to be thinner, lighter than iPad2 and added a microSD card too!
Awesome!
Unfortunately, the YouTube video has been pulled out.
Can't wait, 16:00 time (GMT)!
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Too bad it has one bad thing. TOUCHWIZ
I guess if you're willing to wait till June to get the exact same specs (besides the screen.. and the missing hdmi and microusb ports.) then go for it.
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Too bad it has one bad thing. TOUCHWIZ
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Yea but we have XDA. I guess it won't be long, before someone figures out a way or a ROM to pull it out
I know this falls in the endless wait for the next version circle but if nVidia can indeed deliver tablets with Quad Core Kal-El by August, I would feel bad waiting up to June (potentially July/August for Canadians).
I believe I will be picking a Wifi XOOM at launch in Canada (April 8).
XOOM Pros:
- The highest quality finish so far.
- HDMI out port
- Micro USB port
- Unskinned
- Relockable bootloader
- Currently the closest to a Dev device and most likely to receive the most AOSP love
- Available now (next week Wifi)
XOOM Cons:
- Heavy
- Screen is slightly sub par according to most
- Power button placement (not a big deal but still...)
- No 16 or 64 gig models (altough the 64Gb is kinda irrelevant when SD card is available)
- No USB charging (minor again as it would take long to charge, potentially fixed with custom ROM)
To me the Pros offset the Cons. I see two choice with Android tablets: Be an early adopter and get the XOOM, wait around Christmas for quad core/better speced/better priced/polished and stable 3.X.
Competition is just starting to heat up, once HTC, Sony, RIM, HP, MS release their product, most of which should be somewhere this summer except for maybe MS, we will start to see what the tablet market actually looks like.
I was talking to my wife about tablets when the iPad2 was just announced. I told her about the weight and size and her reply was "Why does everything always have to be thinner and lighter!??!" There you go. I'm happy with the Xoom and once I have this awesome PivotPad I won't have any problems with holding it anymore! Maybe in the future there will also be a solution to the video decoding issues...
The main reason I wanted to go for Samsung was the fact it was going to be a Google experience device and now they pull this Touchwiz crap.
Im conidering a tablet but torn between the ASUS eeePad Transformer and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Without doubt the Samsung has the wow factor, but they're making such a hash of releasing it by all accounts. Hardware specs don't appear to be fully finalised, it appears the thing version won't have a memory card slot, the camera only 3MP and it's still not released and there's no release date for the UK.
The ASUS meanwhile according to the videos I've seen have excellent sound which should be good for media playback.
Im worried about the lack of 3G but remember I could use my Galaxy S as a WiFi hotspot for those times I need to use this on the go.
The ASUS is released, has 3.1, some decent features and a great price.
Is there any reason I should wait for the Samsung and not get the ASUS? Is there any other tablet that comes close for the price? I was looking at the Xoom, and the Flywer and everything in between, but they all seemed to be much more expensive.
What do you guys think?
Does the Eeepad also support DivX playback?
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Simon
For divx it's ok but for HD videos all the tegra 2 tablets can't handle them very well.
Just want to be sure you won't expect much about it. That said, the transformer has a nice ips screen but with some bleeds (related to ips technology) and a microsd slot. The galaxy tab have no microsd slot.
The sound on the asus is not very good, I can't speak about the galaxy tab on this front.
Performance wise all tegra 2 tablets are more or less the same what you should look at are expansion ports, form factor and screen. So ask yourself what you want.
Hope that helps.
bottom line is if you want android but with an ipad formfactor in the sense of no built in expandibility but thin and light then go samsung.
If oyu want something that is less expensive, had HDMi and microsd built in, is cheaper, and has optional keyboard dock turning it into a longer battery life android netbook with usb ports and full sd card slot, then Go Asus. Asus however will be a bit heavier and thicker and from my experience the build quality will suffer a bit compared to the samsung.
I just read the Anandtech Review on the Galaxy Tab 10.1.The 10.1 wins with its thin form factor, weight and IPAD like contours, while the TF beats out the 10.1 on all benchmarks and battery life and the convenience of the dock.
I'm in the same situation as the OP with regards to the Samsung and the Asus (I've recently returned a TF), I'm now waiting for Samsung to release definitive specs and price here in the UK. I've just returned from my local PC World, they've no news on the GT 10.1 at all. Whilst I was there I had a look at the range of tablets on display and I have to say the Transformer looked better than I remember.
Yep, form factor definatley goes to Samsung, along with build quality.
As for Asus, its still a great looking tablet, and comfortable to hold in my opinion. Has the HDMI, memory card slot, ability to be docked, and is $100 less. Its sort of a no brainer for me, but depends what you want to do with it.
For some of the reasons mentioned by aibo I would wait for a tegra-3 tablet. This is especially true if you are interested in any type of HD media. The more I play with my TF the more I realize the tegra-2 is just underpowered trying to play any kind of HD content with HD sound. Don't get me wrong I love my TF and knowing what I know now if I really wanted to wait I would also wait for a tegra-3 Asus.
See the should I wait for the tegra-3 thread fo even more reasons to wait.
All the more reason to get the Asus. Get base model which is 399. Then next year give it to family or sell it for 200 and get a kalel tegra 3
This way you get to enjoy a tablet for a year and the 100 you save plus selling your used Asus will get you most of the way to the latest and greatest.
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Without doubt the Samsung has the wow factor,
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How can the GT have a WOW factor? it's just the same as the Xoom, the Acer Iconia, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc unless of course you mean WOW in Greek: Wimadia, Objectori, Wimbararia (The same as all the rest)
In the Galaxy Tab forum you ask
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Galaxy Tab: Is it Worth It?
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Of course it's not; it has a lot less features than the Transformer, it's a no brainer
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How can the GT have a WOW factor?
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It is thinner and lighter than the iPad2. That's it.
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It is thinner and lighter than the iPad2. That's it.
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And +$100 more. Is it really worth it? The TF101 is pretty light as it is already.
With +$100 more you can get yourself a TF101 32GB AND A MicroSD slot whereas $499.99 Galaxy Tab 10.1 you'll get 16GB without a MicroSD.
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I bet you think size 0 women a sexy
Also, according to Anandtech, 10.1 doesn't have as much glare on the screen as the Transformer. I won't go into color saturation as that's preference of the user.
Too much speculating and assumptions in these threads. I doubt many here have actually had both in hand.
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Also, according to Anandtech, 10.1 doesn't have as much glare on the screen as the Transformer. I won't go into color saturation as that's preference of the user.
Too much speculating and assumptions in these threads. I doubt many here have actually had both in hand.
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supercurio does, https://twitter.com/#!/supercurio he has been comparing the two devices
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supercurio does, https://twitter.com/#!/supercurio he has been comparing the two devices
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I meant more along in this specific thread. Perhaps OP should also post this in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 forums as well as there are some users that have jumped ship from the Transformer to the 10.1 to get others opinions instead of Transformer users that haven't tried the 10.1 yet.
Looks like supercurio is liking the 10.1 according to his tweets.
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no expandable memory is a deal breaker!!! i can easily fill up 16gb and i don't want to pay the 32 gb price!!!
I've owned both and trust me...the weight difference is a major advantage for the Tab...MAJOR!
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no expandable memory is a deal breaker!!! i can easily fill up 16gb and i don't want to pay the 32 gb price!!!
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Not entirely true. It's just not built in. Sure you'll have to buy the adapter for it, but it is indeed expandable.
no hdmi is a deal breaker also.
Does samsung tab support dlna?
I am considering to go for transformer.
price was the big thing for me. $100 is a good chunk of money for something of similar specs.
Since they just announced the pre-order and release date for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 I decided to take my regular 10.1 back, since i'm still within my 30 day return period.
Really excited for the new one with all the upgrades. Having a SD card slot, 2 speakers on the front of the Tab and adding IR so I can control my home theater components, and getting official ICS on it. I can't wait.
Pre-order May 7th, release date on the 22nd.
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Since they just announced the pre-order and release date for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 I decided to take my regular 10.1 back, since i'm still within my 30 day return period.
Really excited for the new one with all the upgrades. Having a SD card slot, 2 speakers on the front of the Tab and adding IR so I can control my home theater components, and getting official ICS on it. I can't wait.
Pre-order May 7th, release date on the 22nd.
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how much is it?
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how much is it?
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$399
10 char
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$399
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wtf??? 399.
worth a trade lmfao
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Really excited for the new one with all the upgrades.
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It's actually a downgrade, not an upgrade. It's thicker and heavier which means that either the components were changed or the design has been changed to make it cheaper to build. There's no flash on the camera either. It's got an OMAP chip vs. Teg2 so it's pretty much a lateral move but I'm sure the OMAP will be better at local video playback (anything would). The SD card's a benefit but ICS is a wash since the orignal G-Tab will get it (eventually) too. The 8GB is supposed to be $399 while the 16GB will be $449 so it's still no bargain.
wr should think about getting the note 10.1 everything is better there
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wr should think about getting the note 10.1 everything is better there
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That's what I'm waiting for. I love my 3G Tab and the only thing that (for me) needs improvement is a more powerful processor. For taking notes and such at work the S-Pen's also a cool and practical feature. It's been delayed until June so Samsung can put a new quad-core Exynos SoC in and I'm hoping they bump up the display resolution while they're at it.
I'm in a similar predicament. I want to get the Galaxy tab but now with Tab 2 launching i'm not sure if it's a wise decision. I feel like I will have buyers remorse if I buy the Galaxy tab 2 just because it has older components and a step backwards. Galaxy Note 10.1 won't arrive till June if its not pushed back (high possibility of delays). The Transformer Prime was another Tablet I was looking at but with the wifi and gps issues not too sure about Asus. So now sadly, I may look at the new iPad. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
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I'm in a similar predicament. I want to get the Galaxy tab but now with Tab 2 launching i'm not sure if it's a wise decision. I feel like I will have buyers remorse if I buy the Galaxy tab 2 just because it has older components and a step backwards. Galaxy Note 10.1 won't arrive till June if its not pushed back (high possibility of delays). The Transformer Prime was another Tablet I was looking at but with the wifi and gps issues not too sure about Asus. So now sadly, I may look at the new iPad. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
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You can pre-order both the Acer A510 and new non-Prime Transformer (TF300) that has a plastic back cover and shouldn't have wireless issues. They're $449 and $399 respectively with the Acer being the more upscale of the two. Asus' build quality and QC have been sketchy and I haven't really followed Acer to offer any opinion. Costco's got some good deals on the G-Tab 1 and a ninety day return policy which should fall in to the launch timeframe for the Note.
Yeah in a lot of ways, the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 is a DOWNGRADE over the original GT 10.1. The SD card slot is nice, but when you think about it, you can just get a 32 GB Tab 10.1 and be fine. I like the new placement of the speakers, but that's about it. Front facing camera is only VGA. No flash for the rear camera. Thicker and cheaper build quality. Same PLS screen, same res, same processor speed. The original 10.1 with the Tegra 2 would be better for gaming, while the OMAP should be better for HD vid watching. Although I have to say, if you encode a 720p file properly, it looks great on the Tab and plays really well. You don't need to play 1080p on these things.
If I didn't have a tablet right now and was looking to invest 400 dollars for a high-end one, I would honestly wait a few months. I'd wait either for the upgraded Transformer Prime with the higher res. screen and no GPS/WiFI issues, the Acer, the Galaxy Note 10.1, or even whatever quadcore Exynos Tab Samsung is working on at the moment.
Besides all of that, cheaper 7 inch Tegra 3 tablets are coming soon. Now is not a good time to be tablet shopping.
When I looked at the size and weight, and it was almost the same. From what I've read it's the same height and width, only 3 or 4 more ounces. Not a dramatic difference in weight. Hopefully, they kept the same shape and dimensions
so it will fit in my Galaxy Tab Book Cover Case.
I know there was no real upgrade in terms of specs, but, the additions they did make was huge to me. Adding ICS, something the previous Tab will probably not get, and if it does, it will be several months away. I had a ICS rom on mine and it was nice, but, lacking in some areas of true ICS. I like the speakers on the front at the top and bottom better than on the sides. It should make a huge difference when watching movies or listening to music. You can thank the German courts for this and Apple. Throw in the fact they added a space for SD card storage to expand, IR capabilities, will be great controlling my Home Theater components and it's a winner to me at the $399 price tag.
If it was higher than that, I would say no, but, at this price point, it's nice.
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Yeah in a lot of ways, the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 is a DOWNGRADE over the original GT 10.1. The SD card slot is nice, but when you think about it, you can just get a 32 GB Tab 10.1 and be fine. I like the new placement of the speakers, but that's about it. Front facing camera is only VGA. No flash for the rear camera. Thicker and cheaper build quality. Same PLS screen, same res, same processor speed. The original 10.1 with the Tegra 2 would be better for gaming, while the OMAP should be better for HD vid watching. Although I have to say, if you encode a 720p file properly, it looks great on the Tab and plays really well. You don't need to play 1080p on these things.
If I didn't have a tablet right now and was looking to invest 400 dollars for a high-end one, I would honestly wait a few months. I'd wait either for the upgraded Transformer Prime with the higher res. screen and no GPS/WiFI issues, the Acer, the Galaxy Note 10.1, or even whatever quadcore Exynos Tab Samsung is working on at the moment.
Besides all of that, cheaper 7 inch Tegra 3 tablets are coming soon. Now is not a good time to be tablet shopping.
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Sadly, I think you are right. I will have to be patient and wait and see what happens next. I guess with Google IO coming up soon the emphasis will be completely on JellyBean and ICS will be obsolete already by the time summer comes around.
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When I looked at the size and weight, and it was almost the same. From what I've read it's the same height and width, only 3 or 4 more ounces. Not a dramatic difference in weight. Hopefully, they kept the same shape and dimensions
so it will fit in my Galaxy Tab Book Cover Case.
I know there was no real upgrade in terms of specs, but, the additions they did make was huge to me. Adding ICS, something the previous Tab will probably not get, and if it does, it will be several months away. I had a ICS rom on mine and it was nice, but, lacking in some areas of true ICS. I like the speakers on the front at the top and bottom better than on the sides. It should make a huge difference when watching movies or listening to music. You can thank the German courts for this and Apple. Throw in the fact they added a space for SD card storage to expand, IR capabilities, will be great controlling my Home Theater components and it's a winner to me at the $399 price tag.
If it was higher than that, I would say no, but, at this price point, it's nice.
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The original Tab 10.1 is getting ICS. Samsung have confirmed it at several different points in time. WHEN will we get it, that's another story, but it's coming. It's being worked on. They even said that it was number 2 on the their priority list, right behind the GS II which has already started it's ICS rollout globally. It can't be that far away
So if you factor out ICS as an advantage (which you should), the only two things the Tab 2 has over the Tab 1 are the modified speaker positions and debatably the microSD storage (I say that because the storage sizes are halved on the Tab 2). Everything else that's different on the Tab 2 is a disadvantage.
Sorry to say, but it's the truth. And that 399 price point doesn't make it any easier to swallow, especially when you consider that if you can be patient for another couple of months, you'll have a huge selection of Tegra 3 tablets at all different sizes, all different price points, made by different companies.
Believe me, I'm not hating here. I got my Tab 10.1 last July and I absolutely love it. But right now, if 300 or 400 is my sweet spot for a tablet, I'm holding off for a couple of months. The Tab 2 isn't worth that.
BarryH_GEG said:
It's actually a downgrade, not an upgrade. It's thicker and heavier which means that either the components were changed or the design has been changed to make it cheaper to build. There's no flash on the camera either. It's got an OMAP chip vs. Teg2 so it's pretty much a lateral move but I'm sure the OMAP will be better at local video playback (anything would). The SD card's a benefit but ICS is a wash since the orignal G-Tab will get it (eventually) too. The 8GB is supposed to be $399 while the 16GB will be $449 so it's still no bargain.
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Yeah in a lot of ways, the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 is a DOWNGRADE over the original GT 10.1. The SD card slot is nice, but when you think about it, you can just get a 32 GB Tab 10.1 and be fine. I like the new placement of the speakers, but that's about it. Front facing camera is only VGA. No flash for the rear camera. Thicker and cheaper build quality. Same PLS screen, same res, same processor speed. The original 10.1 with the Tegra 2 would be better for gaming, while the OMAP should be better for HD vid watching. Although I have to say, if you encode a 720p file properly, it looks great on the Tab and plays really well. You don't need to play 1080p on these things.
If I didn't have a tablet right now and was looking to invest 400 dollars for a high-end one, I would honestly wait a few months. I'd wait either for the upgraded Transformer Prime with the higher res. screen and no GPS/WiFI issues, the Acer, the Galaxy Note 10.1, or even whatever quadcore Exynos Tab Samsung is working on at the moment.
Besides all of that, cheaper 7 inch Tegra 3 tablets are coming soon. Now is not a good time to be tablet shopping.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH...wow!!! effing samsung..
screw this..selling it and getting the asus prime
I would also hold off for the note 10.1... Better hardware AND the s-pen will give it functionality that no other tab has. I have tried the regular note (5.3) and the pen works very well, very cool to jot down stuff quickly or to add comments/notes to documents.
Now they are saying they halted production of the Tab 2 for some upgrades. One of them being a quad core processor with their latest chip.
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII EPIC 4g Touch on XDA Premium!
I bet they are having problems they will have a even bigger one if they don't get there arses into first gear people will migrate to other tablets.This is just another sorry excuse to buy some more time which they dont have and now where does this leave those of us waiting for ic4.0 to come to 10.1 user?
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Now they are saying they halted production of the Tab 2 for some upgrades. One of them being a quad core processor with their latest chip.
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I read that also... it definitely has me wondering if this will delay us OG Tab owners from getting the ICS update in May. I have no doubt that the appeal of ICS is a selling point for Samsung and potential Tab-2 customers might settle for the original tab if it gets ICS prior to the release of the Tab-2.
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I read that also... it definitely has me wondering if this will delay us OG Tab owners from getting the ICS update in May. I have no doubt that the appeal of ICS is a selling point for Samsung and potential Tab-2 customers might settle for the original tab if it gets ICS prior to the release of the Tab-2.
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Probably. That's why I took mine back.
Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII EPIC 4g Touch with a bite of VeNum on XDA Premium!
I'm keeping my 10.1 4G, which it bought used for less than $300. I'll probably still get the GT 2 7.0 for $250 though, since it's wifi only.
Hi Guys,
I currently own the Galaxy Tab 7.7 P6800 and love the device (especially after the ICS upgrade).
Such a nice combination of size, and functionality.
With the Galxy Note 2 reportedly coming out soon, what do you guys think about the Tab 7.7 successor?
I believe the Note and Tab 7.7 were announced the same time last year.
pimpnyak said:
Hi Guys,
I currently own the Galaxy Tab 7.7 P6800 and love the device (especially after the ICS upgrade).
Such a nice combination of size, and functionality.
With the Galxy Note 2 reportedly coming out soon, what do you guys think about the Tab 7.7 successor?
I believe the Note and Tab 7.7 were announced the same time last year.
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Don't ask me how I know this, but there is (or was as of a few months ago) a successor planned.
I also love the 7.7 because of the size, super amoled plus screen and the build quality but that comes at a high price compared to other tablets.
I would love Samsung to release a successor with a higher resolution screen (1920*1080), 2GB of memory, 2-GHz quad-core processor, S-Pen and Jelly bean which would make upgrading worthwhile.
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I would love Samsung to release a successor with a higher resolution screen (1920*1080), 2GB of memory, 2-GHz quad-core processor, S-Pen and Jelly bean which would make upgrading worthwhile.
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would also make it the most badass tablet of all time
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I also love the 7.7 because of the size, super amoled plus screen and the build quality but that comes at a high price compared to other tablets.
I would love Samsung to release a successor with a higher resolution screen (1920*1080), 2GB of memory, 2-GHz quad-core processor, S-Pen and Jelly bean which would make upgrading worthwhile.
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Lets get a petition going. Ask them to sell it for $700-$900 gsm unlocked through google play. I'd pay $1000 for THIS one if it had a wacom digitizer...
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that would be nice... but dont want to pay premium for a device thats not future proof. Samsung and Google should go for 7.7 Nexus (premium device):fingers-crossed:
well if the new tab is a Samoled+ and 1080p along with the same battery timing and a 2gb ram + quadcore+ maintaining the same thin form factor then i will pay twice the price of the current one.... and i would love it like hell if there are two slots for microsd cards rather than just one... that would be the ultimate feature...
So, gentlemen, we've brainstormed the perfect SUPERTAB, now how do we get samsung (the sAMOLED+ patent holder) to make one?
7.7" form factor
sAMOLED+ with wacom digitizer (aka s-pen functionality)
243dpi or 1080p
2 sd card slots or perhaps 1 micro USB
GSM cell and data radio
5500miliamp bat.
1.4 ghz quad-core
2GB RAM
Really, the nexus, note, gTab 7.7, and 10.1 should all be galaxy class devices and have similar specs. Release them all at once, every holiday.
How do we get samsung to even consider a premium tier, mid tier and low-end tier though?
Their approach is so scattershot, there's no way they'd ever operate this way.
Granted, sAMOLED+ will be replaced SOON. My guess is 2015, likely by motorola or apple,
Capacitive brushes and precision styli won't require wacom forever... it wasn't hard to come up with what would make the next gen version of the p68xx worth paying for, so how do we move this forward?
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hope they include
-IR blaster
-mini USBport
-8-12mpxl main cam with xenon flash
-thinner bezel
they should redesign the speaker positions like those gtabs in germany wherein the speakers are on top and the bottom of the device (front facing i think)
so that whenever I play something, I won't inadvertently cover the speaker ports
Are you kidding?
I've only just started using my 7.7 in earnest after the ICS update.
Hoping a Jelly Bean rom will appear in the coming months and a 7.7 successor will be irrelevant
scoobydu said:
Are you kidding?
I've only just started using my 7.7 in earnest after the ICS update.
Hoping a Jelly Bean rom will appear in the coming months and a 7.7 successor will be irrelevant
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i agree to this. but yeah a successor would be nice. as long as my current 7.7 can do what i want it to do then i'm fine with it hehe.
for me, at least, the features that i would like for it to have is:
- higher resolution/dpi screen
- 8 or 12mp camera at the back
- 3 or 5mp camera in front
- removable/replaceable battery (no tablet has this i think)
- microUSB suporrt
- a better and faster media scanner (current one is pretty slow)
- orientation lock for the native video player
- better/louder speakers
- support for external hard drive usage
- dual sim support
- dual microSD suport
- keep receiver mode (love that i can call and send text messages using this tablet)
speaking of impossible, it would be awesome if the tab industry makes a tablet that can fold the screen into two, making it two screens. just unfold to return back to the full screen. LOL
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i agree to this. but yeah a successor would be nice. as long as my current 7.7 can do what i want it to do then i'm fine with it hehe.
speaking of impossible, it would be awesome if the tab industry makes a tablet that can fold the screen into two, making it two screens. just unfold to return back to the full screen. LOL
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Sony has a gaming "phablet" that doea this,
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I m with you on that! Even ics is half ass effort by sammy. Wifi is not working on my hk tab after the upgrade. Battery dies quickly. They should fix what we have now before asking ask to spend more $ on a new device
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cptnappy said:
i agree to this. but yeah a successor would be nice. as long as my current 7.7 can do what i want it to do then i'm fine with it hehe.
for me, at least, the features that i would like for it to have is:
- higher resolution/dpi screen
- 8 or 12mp camera at the back
- 3 or 5mp camera in front
- removable/replaceable battery (no tablet has this i think)
- microUSB suporrt
- a better and faster media scanner (current one is pretty slow)
- orientation lock for the native video player
- better/louder speakers
- support for external hard drive usage
- dual sim support
- dual microSD suport
- keep receiver mode (love that i can call and send text messages using this tablet)
speaking of impossible, it would be awesome if the tab industry makes a tablet that can fold the screen into two, making it two screens. just unfold to return back to the full screen. LOL
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Why have you stopped?
But seriously, there is no reason why these can't be included in a tab, but the drawbacks, I believe are:
1) Google want people to use "cloud"/internet to save and retrieve information from - not USB or internal storage - more advertising revenue (?)
2) The reason for a non-replaceable battery is that it is of a much better quality, whilst keeping production costs down - spare part batteries may also keep the device going longer than Samsung wish.
3) other things will come as technology improves and costs are kept under control - e.g. producing a drastically better dpi screen would double the price of the tab because that is not the current norm.
Anyway, this time next year, a lot of these wishes could be the norm.
A removable battery should be included, what happens when the original battery dies? Are we gonna be forced to buy a new tab because we can't replace battery?
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7.7" SAMOLED 286 PPI @ 1080P, oh man that screen would be gorgeous... That screen + Exynos Quad + 2GB of RAM would be pretty sweet device (and realistic too). Because they can make higher PPI displays using pentile matrix on OLED tech. (S III has 306 PPI).
Unfortunately with the release and pricing of the Nexus 7, I'll be surprised to see Samsung continue to compete in this area... Which is unfortunate with the many features I appreciate missing in the Nexus.
bleclair said:
Unfortunately with the release and pricing of the Nexus 7, I'll be surprised to see Samsung continue to compete in this area... Which is unfortunate with the many features I appreciate missing in the Nexus.
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The next nexus tablet could be a motorola, which has licensed the sAMOLED patent from samsung, or samsung manufactured the screen for the droid razr... also, toshiba has released a sAMOLED tablet, but I've been too busy fawning over mine to pay much attention to it.
I'd be willing to bet a "nexus line" of products will be coming along soon. Mid-high range devices for professionals and not just enthusiasts...
that day will come
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A removable battery should be included, what happens when the original battery dies? Are we gonna be forced to buy a new tab because we can't replace battery?
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You are right. Will there be 3rd parties willing to offer replacing batteries? I fear a period of time will come when people start ripping out the insides to replace parts and they won't be able to. The battery is my prime suspect.
Suggest it to Engadget and get them to post it up on their site.
Apparently Samsung look to their comments section for feedback on their devices (their laptops anyway).
I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!
I think you're making the right decision, but....
You should know that the Note 10.1 also doesn't use a mini-usb plug. It's also proprietary.
Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
blud7 said:
Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.
ricardosteve said:
That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.
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+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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did you vote yes or no ?
I got my Note last Friday and can say that I love it. The quad core and 2GB of RAM keeps it fast and responsive, something I can't say about my first gen Android tablet that this replaces. I'''ll upgrade my Android phone next year once I see which LTE may come to my area; however, I know it will have similar specs to the Note.
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I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!
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I'm done with ASUS, too...
TF700 has a superb display, and thats about it...mine was laggy,too. OTA wouldn't work, so i did an unlock using ASUS's unlock-tool, tried to update with TWRP and downloaded update.zip - would't work either but kept the tablet in a bootloop. ASUS of course refuses warranty because unlock, tries to charge me repaircosts 90% of a brandnew device - come on guys, kidding??? Sold the keyboard, bought the note 8010, fast and smooth with root and Team Union Jelly Bean...an expensive lesson for me, too...
I'm not bashing the Note. I have the phone and the tab as well and love both.
I'm commenting on the op's qualms about the choice he made, which he regrets.
All I'm saying is the op obviously didn't do any research before buying. Some of the
stuff he hates about the Asus TF are also present with the Note. Which means he
is still making the same mistake of not researching.
The reason I said he should keep it is cuz he seems to be guilt-tripping over a perfectly
good purchase. That and he's going to sell his perfectly good tab and be out $100 bucks
because of it.
And you're making a point of there being cheaper docks for the Note 10.1.
Cheaper dock options are also available for the TF700.
And no, the note does NOT have LOTS of ROMs but dev is heading there. On that subject
I was saying that if he waits, dev will get better for the TF.There are ~20 custom ROMs
on xda for the TF700 and less than ten for the Note 10.1. Two or three for the WiFi only devices.
I still also maintain that Samsung drags its feet when it comes to updates.
The TF had JB since October. As of writing this there still is no JB for the N8013, no
leak, no official. Asus is in fact known for their frequent updates.
The tab has quality control issues as I well. I had to return the first one I bought since
the screen was defective. If you read up, this very forum will confirm that I was not alone
in this. Some report lag with the software. Asus is well known for having poor quality
control though.
With all that said, I considered both tabs when buying, did my research and bought the
Note. I love the one I have now and don't regret it at all. It is amazingly good despite any reviews
saying this or that is better.
I've had both and the Note is a better choice (for me at least). A lot less lag and more options. I have the OG note for my phone and have it running stock android. I much prefer touchwiz on the 10.1. Multi window is awesome and I actually use the IR blaster a lot more than I thought I would. Lots of cool features that vanilla android doesn't offer. I vote Note
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Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.
BarryH_GEG said:
Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.
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I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?
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I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?
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Because HTC, Motorola, and Samsung all suck at managing device updates. Before I got my N2 two weeks ago I was using a Teg3 One X. In an official press release with quotes from their CEO HTC said the Teg3 One X JB roll-out was going to be in October. Taiwan (HTC's home country) got a JB update in October that was so bad the roll out was stopped for the rest of the world. It started again two weeks ago and only five regions out of over a dozen have received it. In between, regional HTC offices have been providing inaccurate and conflicting updates on what the JB schedule really is.
Back to Samsung. Having nothing to do with updates Samsung's s/w management process is a cluster f-k. A single device can have over twenty four "current" versions of s/w running on it because Samsung creates unique s/w for each region a device is sold in. A good example is that while rolling out JB to the N8000 they were still releasing 4.0.4 ROMs in certain regions of the world. So there are newer ICS ROMs than there are JB. HTC rolls out a single version of "current" s/w that all of their devices globally (except specific Asian markets) get updated to within the span of a few weeks. So HTC's managing two versions (global and Asia) of s/w per device while Samsung's managing dozens. And the complexity this creates makes Samsung's update process overly complex and difficult for us on the outside to track and make sense of.
So, the short answer to your question of "where's the N8013's JB update?," is that it's stuck somewhere in Samsung's plumbing waiting to be deployed. It's fun to talk about reasons for delays like patent issues and the like but I really think it’s just Samsung being Samsung. The OG 8.9 on AT&T just got ICS last week after the rest of the world received it in August. Go figure.
The upside is that Samsung's s/w is versatile for end-users to manage with Odin so that when a newer ROM comes out for a different region you can just use that with no repercussions. My Brazilian N2 is running a Panamanian ROM and my also Brazilian Note 10.1 is running a British ROM. At some point soon either someone on XDA or Samfirmware is going to post a complete MD5 file for the N8010. Once that happens every 8010/3 user can update to it using Odin without the current complexity of loading a new ROM followed by using recovery to update it to JB from SD. Look at it this way; at least we have some options. The poor folks waiting on HTC and Motorola just have to wait.
This is kind of old but makes the point of how complex Samsung's s/w managment process is. This is a list of ROMs deployed just for the N8000. Kind of scary.
I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.
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I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.
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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.
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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.
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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!
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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!
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I was just answering his question :crying:
And that's a good price. I paid $499 plus shipping.
You can charge on a PC's USB... Just reeeeeeeeeally slowly.... Best to leave overnight to charge in this instance, but I have been using it before and charging at the same time...
Thanks for all the info. Im still waiting for someone to buy the asus
The thing that was most dissapointing was the lag. Jerky surfing and delayed responses.
Dont care much about that tiny higher screen resolution
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Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
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The JB update came out the day I bought mine so YMMV.
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
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Which is relevant only if the N8013 is the version he is going to buy (and seeing that he is from Norway it most probably is not).
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is.
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Sure but IMNSHO it's the best one out there.
Based on your post, you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand.
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Agreed, how could he assume for example that the Transformer had to have 2GB of Ram just because it was more expensive... :silly:
[*]The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
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Yes, which means neither of them has an advantage over the other in this respect.
[*]The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
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False, I got a Samsung original desktop dock (stand, charge and audio out) for € 20 (in Italy) and it works with practically all of the Samsung 7" and 10" tablet lines.
[*]The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
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Which is its ONLY advantage.
[*]The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
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Which is actually a PLUS (unless you are a gamer maybe, which I am not).
[*]Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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False, Asus has been one of the best ones for their tablet line but Samsung is not bad at all when you compare it with all of the others and has actually been pretty good with their smartphones.
I run the official JB on my Note 10.1 3G and should get the official JB update on my OG Note very soon.
What he should keep in mind is:
- the Note 10.1 has 2GB RAM (a killer spec for how I use it)
- MultiWindow
- the 3G version is one of the handful of 10" tablets in the world (all of them Samsung AFAIK) that have full GSM call and message capabilities (another killer spec for me)
- it has the S-Pen (I don't use it all that often but when I need it it's VERY useful)
- very good and loud stereo audio
- Touchwiz and Samsung added SW, services and personalizations
- I don't know how it would do with games (I don't have a single one installed on my mobile devices) but on everything else the quad-core Exynos is the fastest and smoothest Android tablet I have ever seen.
- very good battery life
- one of the very best non-HD displays
- light and with a PLASTIC back (I HATE metal bodies!!!!)
- it has an IR blaster and you can use it as a smart remote