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I really don't want this to come across wrong, but I just have to say it.
Developers, I appreciate all your hard work. I understand this is all beta/test/etc. I understand it is free of cost, even to those who did donate to one dev or another. You do it because you want to, not because you have to.
But please, for the love of all that's good - keep an updated list of Known Issues!
It sucks having to read 50 pages of posts to try to figure out if a particular release is reliable or not, to find out if there's a key feature broken or buggy. What makes it worse is you can't tell when reading these threads which users are on which release, because many still post issues after they've been resolved. Others post things that aren't really "issues" but user error.
You know what your issues are, you read the threads and you fix the issues. But trying to find a decent rom to flash is very, very difficult when your OP says "No known problems" and the thread that follows show that to be very untrue. It generates a lot of extra posts with people posting things you already know about, and it generates a lot of bad will when someone flashes something only to find that there are a number of game breaking issues.
All it takes is to update a post, say #2, in your thread, with KNOWN ISSUES. Once you confirm a bug, whether you intend to fix it on your next release or not, add it to that thread. It helps you, as a dev keep track of the bug, and it helps potential downloaders know what bugs have been confirmed and make an educated decision as to whether they want to install your release.
Hiding known issues is something I don't think anyone does intentionally, but it feels that way sometimes. It feels like devs are in a popularity contest, and any admission of flaws in their particular ROM is a weakness. Well, to tell the truth, I and many others are sick of installing something that was CLAIMED to be working perfectly, only to have glaring problems that have been there for many versions.
For a civil and productive development community. Please. Be honest with your known issues. It will go a long way in building trust with the people who you're providing ROMs to, and will mean fewer posts for YOU to wade through of users reporting known issues, without having read 500 posts first.
I have a hard time believing that most devs actively hide them. Most of the time it's probably just a bit of laziness. But, yes, it would be helpful when comparing roms if the descriptions had a well-maintained list of active bugs.
Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
The other issue is the people flashing these roms, coming from Eugene's to Whiskey to the ASOP roms may generate some ghosts in the software that the developers cannot duplicate themselves. I know that when I went with the TW 2.2 roms I had plenty of issues, more issues than I have had even when I was stock. Odining back to stock and reflashing the 4.2 TW fixed ALL my problems. Dont know what caused it but since I have flashed a couple of roms prior to that (no problems), I will assume there were some ghosts in my system. This is an example that unless a TW team member is holding MY phone and working on it, they may not be able to duplicate
They don't care to list them. It's beneath some of them.
Maybe AirBus should list "midair exploding engines" as a known issue too...
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Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
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+1. Hell, at work I run a $100,000.00+ software suite and even that company won't do what the OP suggests!
If you have a problem with them stop using their roms go back to stock and see how much better theirs is even with a few bugs, not one of you has any right to complain. They do damn good work for free with some donations that do not come close to what they should be paid for it but they do not whine at all.
The problem I find is the "spammy" and useless comments average and pretentious users make which is both hard for the developer and the end user to read the threads. A dev releases a ROM and there is a guaranteed "Oh I can't wait to flash this" comment that will pop up. And there are some issues that are minor and are sometimes not related to the release that are posted and some pretentious loser who extends his ego by trying to make simple matters complicated. This forum didn't much of this problem before and I could quickly flash ROMs easily since I could clearly grasp the status on the ROM project.
I wish they would start a new thread with new releases. It's a pain to try to read through a 500 page thread, and you comments about this or that, and you have no idea which version the person is talking about. I gave up on custom roms and just using the leaked tmo 2.2, thanks for that Eugene
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Since the developers here are NOT getting paid (NO your $20 donation is not sh*t for the time it takes to make one of these roms), yes WE will have to bear the brunt of testing these roms out and letting them know what bugs if any are in them
The other issue is the people flashing these roms, coming from Eugene's to Whiskey to the ASOP roms may generate some ghosts in the software that the developers cannot duplicate themselves. I know that when I went with the TW 2.2 roms I had plenty of issues, more issues than I have had even when I was stock. Odining back to stock and reflashing the 4.2 TW fixed ALL my problems. Dont know what caused it but since I have flashed a couple of roms prior to that (no problems), I will assume there were some ghosts in my system. This is an example that unless a TW team member is holding MY phone and working on it, they may not be able to duplicate
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A $20 donation is not worth the risk of bricking a $550 phone just because they got "lazy" and didn't notify donators/downloaders of [a] potentially show-stopping issue.
Posted a new Thread in Dev section for the purpose of reporting issues. So if you have an issue please shoot it to me and I will post it in that thread.
Update: Here is the link for the WIKI page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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Posted a new Thread in Dev section for the purpose of reporting issues. So if you have an issue please shoot it to me and I will post it in that thread.
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You are in a heap of trouble, a lot of people don't read, and you are gonna get 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 repeats of the same issue.
"OMG! MY SD CAR DONES"T MOUNT< HELP ME!11!!111"
chui101 said:
I have a hard time believing that most devs actively hide them. Most of the time it's probably just a bit of laziness. But, yes, it would be helpful when comparing roms if the descriptions had a well-maintained list of active bugs.
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The issue here is really that a forum is not the ideal place to manage software releases. A list of bugs emerges from community testing, but there's nowhere to "post" that list of issues, or attach it to a specific release. Since there's no way for the community to add such documentation, it falls on the ROM builder, who probably has other priorities.
This kind of project could be well served by using a real software project management software solution, such as say google code, which has an issue tracker and other useful features. But XDA does already give us a better tool than the forum - the XDA wiki!
I wish people would use the XDA wiki more extensively. This would be a good place to keep updated documentation such as this, without requiring the OP to keep a forum post updated with the latest findings. All the OP needs to do is link to the wiki page, and other people can help maintain it.
OK. Looking into Google Code.
(Update) So looking into the Google Code. What Licensing agreement are the ROMs under? Is it GPL v2 or v3 or another license?
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OK. Looking into Google Code.
(Update) So looking into the Google Code. What Licensing agreement are the ROMs under? Is it GPL v2 or v3 or another license?
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Depends on the project. The Linux kernel is GPLv2, so any kernels fall under that license. AOSP as a whole uses both GPL and apache code.
The issue with ROMs is that unless they're AOSP derived (like cyanogenmod) they often include binaries for which the license situation is murky at best, so google code isn't really an ideal fit for a "ROM" that's only ever released as a binary.
Really I was throwing google code out there as a well known example, there are tons of other ways to track issues. There are dedicated issue tracking systems such as trac, bugzilla, etc, but they require hosting. Most of the freely available hosted services require that you're running an open source project, which isn't necessarily true for the ROMs here.
IMO a serious project could very well benefit from such tools, but just using an XDA wiki page which community members can freely update is a great first step.
So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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Not to be the "Spelling Nazi", and I am not even sure if you can change it, but it is "Kernel" not "Kernal". Also, the Dev on Team Whiskey is Sombionix, not Symbionix.
Otherwise, that looks like a great idea, and possible way of tracking things!
EDIT - I guess I could go ahead and make those tweaks, with it being a wiki and all couldn't I....
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Not to be the "Spelling Nazi", and I am not even sure if you can change it, but it is "Kernel" not "Kernal". Also, the Dev on Team Whiskey is Sombionix, not Symbionix.
Otherwise, that looks like a great idea, and possible way of tracking things!
EDIT - I guess I could go ahead and make those tweaks, with it being a wiki and all couldn't I....
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Thanks. On both accounts.
Maybe this should be a post to Microsoft
To quote "there are known, unknowns and unknown, knowns and and even sometimes unknown,unknowns............but.........
Developers ----develop they do not become a bookkeeper of their development.........that is coordinating work...........good luck getting any developer in ANY Specialty to do that............. reporting bugs........
---Maybe this should be a post to Microsoft---
N8ter said:
A $20 donation is not worth the risk of bricking a $550 phone just because they got "lazy" and didn't notify donators/downloaders of [a] potentially show-stopping issue.
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I have yet to see a REAL (completely dead) "bricked" vibrant from flashing a released Rom alone. I have seen a lot of user error cause boot loops or "soft-bricks" & HWL phones become unflashable because the end user didn't take the time to research though. As far as devs being "lazy" I dont really see that when the developer is coming here for us to tell him what else we find wrong. They are coding, you flash, you report back with a logcat. This is how development is made to my understanding. If ppl are to lazy to JUST do this then why shouldn't the developer discount long winded post or something they are not experiencing? If they know there is a bug its in the OP.
If you guys can change the interwebz & how 500 post per update are made completely useless please feel free to do so....
swehes said:
So looked into the Wiki for the Vibrant and have updated some information. Let me know what you guys think. Is this the way to go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S_SGH-T959#ROMs
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I think it's a pretty awesome start for sure
As a matter of personal taste, I think having an individual wiki page per ROM (with the known issues and other detailed info) might be nice, although I'm not sure what the policy on new pages is with the XDA wiki.
Speaking from professional experience, the most challenging aspect of any documentation system is always convincing people to use it. It's great to compile the information, but unless ROM builders and devs post a link to the wiki in the forum threads nobody will ever see it. Having good, community based documentation is a benefit to everybody though, so hopefully people will recognize the utility of it and encourage its growth!
I have both input and questions.
First question, directed mostly to the devs who've started this and the average transformer owner's impression of what's going on:
What do you see the future of this tablet being? do you see it as very successful with a lot of roms, or do you see it as something that slides by with not much more dev than modified stock roms?
I will update this post with information for people interested in buying the Transformer and explicitly interested in development as soon as there is new information.
Another set of points:
I've seen people ask several questions in this forum, and i've congregated these ideas and some of my own.
CyanogenMod (with enhancements from the viewsonic Gslate)
Ubuntu
Multi-booting off SD or 16g main partition
Other roms from other tablets (as cool device-manufacturer software overlays come out)
AOSP for development (honeycomb of course, google has to release source )
KERNELS KERNELS KERNELS (i can see already that this is the strongpoint in XOOM development insofar)
I will update this list as necessary.
Thanks for reading. This thread will hopefully become a congregation of information for people who WANT TO BE DEVELOPERS and are considering BUYING THIS DEVICE. I want this Tablet to be as good as a platform as my G1 has been (it's still hoppin' in there ), and what i've seen spring up on devices like the Galaxy S line (2 of those devices here), and with the xoom already.
Thanks.
I will be responsible and be updating this thread. I may imitate RoyalKnight's Rom Bible in this thread (cf. G1 or MT3GS DEV)
I also have interest in becoming a Transformer Mod, let me know if that's available (of course i want to buy the thing first) lol.
Paul at MoDaCo has one. This is good. Also no offense to BadWolve1, I didn't know there was already a Mod for this section, i'll leave the above up for timesake.
jcarrz1 said:
I also have interest in becoming a Transformer Mod, let me know if that's available (of course i want to buy the thing first) lol.
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Theres a long list
I'll leave this in Dev, as it does contain Development info.
Badwolve1
Right thread is for updates and news in regarding how the progress of the port is coming along for the ICS to our Galaxy SII. Updates will be coming from directly from teamhacksung. I will be staying intouch with Codeworkx and will be providing the latest feedback he gives me to share on the thread with the rest of the community here.
Twitter Link for more news:
https://twitter.com/xplodwild
https://twitter.com/#!/SamMobiles
https://twitter.com/#!/Jeefke/ics-aosp-sgs2
What's working
Display
Touchscreen
RIL
Audio
Wifi
GPS
Sensors (needs tweaking)
SD Cards
Bluetooth
HWComposer (strange things are going on)
What’s not working?
Microphone on Phone Calls (trying to write a HAL from scratch)
Camera
Video Recording
Video Codecs
Device Encryption
USB Sharing (kernel update needed)
More Updates-12.12.11
Quote from the man himself:
Now with much more IceCream on my Sandwich!
Let me have a look at my visionarys orb.
I can see…
- Kernel 3.0.9
- New RIL (doesn’t work with old modem firmwares)
- TouchWiz (i still hate it, doesn’t feel good, stock aosp ics feels much better)
- Opencore is finally gone
- looks cleaner under the hood
- still old alsa, not the new tinyalsa
- users won’t be impressed
Now let me watch on my device…
- aosp framework
- graphics seems to work good
- it has sound, but cannot test mic beacuse of ril problems
- ril isn’t working very good, crashing all the time. might need to add a new samsung ril class like in the past
- gps seems to work
- hwcomposer is running
- camera is running
- bluetooth works
- wifi works
- sensors aren’t working yet, but should be no problem
- usb sharing works
Ok, too much said already.
Having Kernel sources would make it much easier, but that’s probably far away.
Stay tuned! Maybe we get ril fixed in a few days then we got something really amazing and clean for you.
More Updates 12/12/2011:
Today we could spend some more time to fiddle with this stuff.
RIL is very unstable, even on the leak.
It’s not usable. Probably have to wait for a newer leak. :-(
My o2 card doesn’t work, my vodafone card works.
Might be NITZ related.
Some little bugs here and there like unamplifed haptic feedback, broken sdcards and some other little things.
Sound is working, Mic is working , Camera is working, Wifi is working, Bluetooth is working, HWComposer, TVOutService is up…
To fix every little bug we need kernel sources for sure. So probably in january 2012.
If we can get RIL stable, we might release a aosp/cm9 build for you.
But don’t point at us if we don’t.
Latest from the team...Stay tuned for more as i get it...
Developers working on the project:
atinm
Adam G
codeworkx
coolya
GuiPer
nebkat
Unhelpful
xplodwild
Thanks:
To teamhacksung for working their magic to bring CM9 to us.
Codeworkx for his help in keeping this thread up to date.
And to Stylez, Conantroutman here for helping me out with previous thread and this one now.
Big thanks for the efforts of the AOSP team as well who as well started this whole project and now it is being carried on by TeamHacksung. Netchip, Yjwong, Chadouming, Biohazard and Paradoxxx deserve a mention as well because they to put a lot of effort in the project just a shame they could not carry on..So please give them thanks as well for their efforts.
Please read carefully here to:
If you don't stop annoying devs, they'll leave XDA forever. If this happens you'll never get this ICS Port onto your Phone. You have to wait for Samsung to release something which might be usable in about some Months. Start using your brains, read threads fully and understand it before you're going to add a post. And they are doing their best to get as fast as they can a stable build out to us. So we in return we can be patient and wait. All updates will be above and Codeworkx and i will bring the latest in the sticky here. Please watch here also
Latest so far from Codeworkx and the team
Since our try’s to get the microphone working on ICS using the samsung audio HAL wen’t bad, we decided to write a ICS compatible HAL from scratch. (stealing some code from the galaxy nexus)
Actually we’re able to control all ~134 mixer controls from within our HAL. We’re able to open the PCM’s and we’re able to read/write to it. The hardware dependant part is also working (e.g. telling the audio hw that we’re doing a call).
But all this doesn’t make sound working. We don’t know which mixers we have to set on which cases to get a little bit of sound, for example, out of the speaker.
The next few days will probably be wasted on figuring out which controls we have to touch at the right time.
The task is like jumping over a 100 miles height wall, because we’ve no documentation for the hardware and nobody of us knows what we’re doing. xD
But hey we’ve a damn big bulldozer. ;-)
Hope we’ve enough fuel for it to break the wall down.
Links to follow progress and ICS related stuff
http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/
Engadget ICS review. Click to read it
https://twitter.com/xplodwild
https://twitter.com/#!/SamMobiles
13/12/2011 Video Update with the latest by Ouverta
Latest video update regarding CM9
14/12/2011 New ICS leak by SamMobile:
From what you can see not really much to play with and not much to get excited about. I personally was going to download and see what it feels like but it just reminds me of the alpha builds...For me it is a miss. Views from people who have downloaded it though please post and let me know what you thought of this
[5/12/2011]More Updates.
New state -> waiting
Opensource Audio HAL:
Without any documentation or hints it’s a try & error task for some weeks.
Using Audio Blobs:
Not really possible because big S broke the ABI.
Did a lot of hacking on it, but it’s hopeless.
USB Gadget:
Big S touched the original Google USB Gadget code and made it a mess. It’s hooked up to touchscreen, charger, battery, mhl and probably some more stuff.
Not possible to implement the new USB Gadget required for USB Sharing without spending lot of time on it to clean up this disaster.
Graphics:
Nebkat and xplodwild fixed the graphics corruption on rotation and crt-off effects.
New state -> waiting for new kernel sources and a ICS leak.
Extended state -> We are very pissed about big S.
If big S is not going to be more cooperative, next Device will be a Google Device.
So far this is the latest updates by the team. It is kinda stop and start and very frustrating from what you can see but the team is trying so fingers crossed. Show support and patience and i am sure our patience will be rewarded
Thread is open to allow OP to edit posts.
Do not reply to thread and if you do have anything to add PM Matriak31
All posts will be removed and if needed infractions will be placed.
stylez said:
Thread is open to allow OP to edit posts.
Do not reply to thread and if you do have anything to add PM Matriak31
All posts will be removed and if needed infractions will be placed.
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justmarcos12 said:
respectfully great job Matriak31!
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ksantoshh said:
Good to get a taste of ICS
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mp1806 said:
ice cream sendwich
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What about the above post did you not understand.............
More updates...12/12/2011
Now with much more IceCream on my Sandwich!
Let me have a look at my visionarys orb.
I can see…
- Kernel 3.0.9
- New RIL (doesn’t work with old modem firmwares)
- TouchWiz (i still hate it, doesn’t feel good, stock aosp ics feels much better)
- Opencore is finally gone
- looks cleaner under the hood
- still old alsa, not the new tinyalsa
- users won’t be impressed
Now let me watch on my device…
- aosp framework
- graphics seems to work good
- it has sound, but cannot test mic beacuse of ril problems
- ril isn’t working very good, crashing all the time. might need to add a new samsung ril class like in the past
- gps seems to work
- hwcomposer is running
- camera is running
- bluetooth works
- wifi works
- sensors aren’t working yet, but should be no problem
- usb sharing works
Quote from the man himself:
Having Kernel sources would make it much easier, but that’s probably far away.
Stay tuned! Maybe we get ril fixed in a few days then we got something really amazing and clean for you.
More Updates 12/12/2011:
Today we could spend some more time to fiddle with this stuff.
RIL is very unstable, even on the leak.
It’s not usable. Probably have to wait for a newer leak. :-(
My o2 card doesn’t work, my vodafone card works.
Might be NITZ related.
Some little bugs here and there like unamplifed haptic feedback, broken sdcards and some other little things.
Sound is working, Mic is working , Camera is working, Wifi is working, Bluetooth is working, HWComposer, TVOutService is up…
To fix every little bug we need kernel sources for sure. So probably in january 2012.
If we can get RIL stable, we might release a aosp/cm9 build for you.
But don’t point at us if we don’t.
Latest from the team...Stay tuned for more as i get it...
New Links from SamMobiles..ICS leak maybe next week
https://twitter.com/#!/SamMobiles/status/145562676972621824
https://twitter.com/#!/SamMobiles/status/145602356896210945
For those who didn’t know yet:
The Guys from SamMobiles got a first ICS leak for the I9100 (with TouchWiz), but it looks like they don’t want to share before their new site gets online.
This means we’ll have the leak probably next week.
We asked them about just getting the blobs we need, but no chance.
They don’t want to share anything.
But hey, it’s just one week more. ;-)
Latest info from Codeworkx.
krabman said:
I'm going to go ahead and report this to admin. The purpose of this thread is the ICS team updates alone and its reason for being stickied. The commentary can stay down in general where as you all know a thread is ongoing. Then this and other posts not related to the thread purpose can be deleted and we can all go through just a few posts to find out the latest on the team progress. A condition which I believe many of us will prefer to allowing this to become an open thread.
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The purpose of opening this up was to prevent 69079875439879 different threads being opened in the general section offering up such revelations as;
Idiot Number 1 said:
"OMG I cant waitz 4 teh ICS!!!!! "
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And the timeless......
Idiot Number 2 said:
"Where I can haz DL linkzz.... plsszzzzz????"
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Just check the OP for updates, don't read the thread....................
conantroutman said:
The purpose of opening this up was to prevent 69079875439879 different threads being opened in the general section offering up such revelations as;
And the timeless......
Just check the OP for updates, don't read the thread....................
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And just to add it's an open sticky as already stated so as the OP can edit posts permissions wouldn't allow the edits on closed thread....
Most users respect wishes of OP and also mods but some can't read a small request! Its simple as if users can't respect a request and feel the need to increase mods time via posting then infractions will be placed.
Everything is set out in an easy laid FAQ info and being updated regularly as already stated if you have info PM OP to which even the link previous goes straight to PM write.. hay can't be that hard.
Think I need say no more...
Thx to users who can follow simple guidelines
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The purpose of opening this up was to prevent 69079875439879 different threads being opened in the general section offering up such revelations as;
And the timeless......
Just check the OP for updates, don't read the thread....................
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stylez said:
And just to add it's an open sticky as already stated so as the OP can edit posts permissions wouldn't allow the edits on closed thread....
Most users respect wishes of OP and also mods but some can't read a small request! Its simple as if users can't respect a request and feel the need to increase mods time via posting then infractions will be placed.
Everything is set out in an easy laid FAQ info and being updated regularly as already stated if you have info PM OP to which even the link previous goes straight to PM write.. hay can't be that hard.
Think I need say no more...
Thx to users who can follow simple guidelines
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Sorry i had to say this but i love you two...You make my life a whole lot easier..And to everyone else..What they said
Hey matriak.
Sorry to say but i really don't like the post about sammobile. They said different times why they can't share it at the moment and have to wait this week. You shouldn't write that they don't want to. Their reason to wait is good enough.
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rauschkugl said:
Hey matriak.
Sorry to say but i really don't like the post about sammobile. They said different times why they can't share it at the moment and have to wait this week. You shouldn't write that they don't want to. Their reason to wait is good enough.
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Hey buddy. I respect your opinion i do but i have to respect codeworkx also for his involvement also in his project and this thread is his idea and mainly mine. I report news and updates as they are and that is how i read them. I will try and change it but for now that stays i am sorry
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Matriak31 said:
Hey buddy. I respect your opinion i do but i have to respect codeworkx also for his involvement also in his project and this thread is his idea and mainly mine. I report news and updates as they are and that is how i read them. I will try and change it but for now that stays i am sorry
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No problem. Just wanted to tell you that they have a good reason to wait. Because i think we all want to have leaks in the future and not wait till samsung officially releases their stuff. I'm on my mobile today so i can't link you the corresponding post but i can send you the link to it this evening if you want.
Because i think it sounded not so fair and sammobile also does a lot for us.
Edit: forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20190303&postcount=62
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Cobesz said:
seriously dude? Think they didn't try that?
Google changed the android framework dramaticly, this is why alot of GB sources do not work with ICS.
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Plus you do not need to be a genius to figure out that GB and ICS is totally different kettle of fish
Cobesz said:
Ain't you supposed to be relaxing on your vacation?
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I am...But can't blame me i got the bloody xda bug..I like to keep up to date...
Matriak31 said:
Now with much more IceCream on my Sandwich!
Let me have a look at my visionarys orb.
I can see…
- Kernel 3.0.9
- New RIL (doesn’t work with old modem firmwares)
- TouchWiz (i still hate it, doesn’t feel good, stock aosp ics feels much better)
- Opencore is finally gone
- looks cleaner under the hood
- still old alsa, not the new tinyalsa
- users won’t be impressed
Now let me watch on my device…
- aosp framework
- graphics seems to work good
- it has sound, but cannot test mic beacuse of ril problems
- ril isn’t working very good, crashing all the time. might need to add a new samsung ril class like in the past
- gps seems to work
- hwcomposer is running
- camera is running
- bluetooth works
- wifi works
- sensors aren’t working yet, but should be no problem
- usb sharing works
Quote from the man himself:
Having Kernel sources would make it much easier, but that’s probably far away.
Stay tuned! Maybe we get ril fixed in a few days then we got something really amazing and clean for you.
Latest from the team...Stay tuned for more as i get it...
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I didnt really get what this post means it's kind of murky...
Please Matriak can you explain what this post means!
Will the Codeworkx / CyanogenMod / SamMobile versions have TouchWiz?
Will it become easier for them when SamMobile releases the leaked version?
Did they get rid of those slimy soft keys at the bottom?
Why "users wont be impressed"?
Are sensors a tough problem to fix?
Ril?
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& etc.
You guys are the best!
Thanks fo all the hard work!
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I didnt really get what this post means it's kind of murky...
Please Matriak can you explain what this post means!
Will the Codeworkx / CyanogenMod / SamMobile versions have TouchWiz?
Will it become easier for them when SamMobile releases the leaked version?
Did they get rid of those slimy soft keys at the bottom?
Why "users wont be impressed"?
Are sensors a tough problem to fix?
Ril?
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.
& etc.
You guys are the best!
Thanks fo all the hard work!
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No it won't have TW. Codeworkx is talking about the leaked beta Samsung rom. Users won't be impressed because the rom is not done and it's clearly unstable. The problems he is referring to are all in the Samsung rom.
However, Codeworkx can use some parts of this rom the fix things in the AOSP rom they are building.
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I didnt really get what this post means it's kind of murky...
Will the Codeworkx / CyanogenMod / SamMobile versions have TouchWiz?
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Even I can answer some of these...
CM won't have TW, no way. But the version from sammobile will have TW as it's a Samsung based one.
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Will it become easier for them when SamMobile releases the leaked version?
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Maybe. I ain't interested in that anyway.
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Why "users wont be impressed"?
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When Codecworkx said that he should've mentioned why!! Anyway, sammobile posted yesterday that 'this thing is nowhere near finished', so you know what I mean.
One thing I don't understand, if it's a BETA then why so much disappointment? Maybe Alpha would be a proper name! Can't say...
Net.silb said:
I didnt really get what this post means it's kind of murky...
Please Matriak can you explain what this post means!
Will the Codeworkx / CyanogenMod / SamMobile versions have TouchWiz?
Will it become easier for them when SamMobile releases the leaked version?
Did they get rid of those slimy soft keys at the bottom?
Why "users wont be impressed"?
Are sensors a tough problem to fix?
Ril?
.
.
.
.
.
& etc.
You guys are the best!
Thanks fo all the hard work!
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Do not know at the moment what SamMobile leak is as they have not released it just yet. Codeworkx and team have stated as above what they have done so far and what they have working.
For better explanations visit his blog. As it would be better explained there. I post as i see and try and answer as simple as i can. But for me it is pretty clear what is stated above so hopefully this is helpful enough..
Soft keys will be gone..Do not forget that we are using a different product than the galaxy nexus
As our device is dying in support I feel that we need to develop a large development team (10+ people) that will work on ICS for our gtablet. I mean after all our device is capable of running it ( Tegra 250). If you would like to be part of this team shoot an email to [email protected] explaining why you want to be part of this team and what you can contribute. Thank you.
You know that you need a new kernel for ICS to work properly right? Ch3vr0n5 and dpw13 are currently working on it over at slatedroid.
lol. i was gonna post something similar to this in the next couple days. I made the n1 ics port and started work today trying to get ics booting on my gtab. I think first order of business is to start a room on freenode.
#tegratab_ics_dev
all interested parties please join
btw im drewis
texasice said:
lol. i was gonna post something similar to this in the next couple days. I made the n1 ics port and started work today trying to get ics booting on my gtab. I think first order of business is to start a room on freenode.
#tegratab_ics_dev
all interested parties please join
btw im drewis
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guys,
pm jazzruby, tek112 or fosser2, ch3vron..they are also over @ slatedroid viewsonic gtablet forum..
they have been working on a kernel with hw accel for HC3.2 and ICS. There are been some teaser pics by fosser with ics running on his gtablet.
I'm sure they could use your help...
kernel dev in the gtablet laboratory forum as well.
Cyanogen: Our goal is to provide continued support to all CM7 devices back to the QSD8250 series of devices such as the Nexus One. (12/2/2011)
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The CyanogenMod team has also said they will continue to support our gTabs so I am looking forward to CM9 which hopefully will drop some time in January.
sjmoreno said:
The CyanogenMod team has also said they will continue to support our gTabs so I am looking forward to CM9 which hopefully will drop some time in January.
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uhm based on what you quote nothing is said there we dont have qsd in our gtabs...
If anyone is interested and has dev experience shoot me a pm and i'll get you up to date. thanks
Yea upon further investigation there are already a few people working on this. In fact a quick google search will find you a booting cm9 for gtab. (i dont want to post the link since it is pre alpha and not my rom) but the gtab is not lacking devs by any means. (they just arent on xda)
oh and forget my post about the irc room there is already one. but again you must find it yourself
dont know why the pic is green but whatever
texasice said:
Yea upon further investigation there are already a few people working on this. In fact a quick google search will find you a booting cm9 for gtab. (i dont want to post the link since it is pre alpha and not my rom) but the gtab is not lacking devs by any means. (they just arent on xda)
oh and forget my post about the irc room there is already one. but again you must find it yourself
dont know why the pic is green but whatever
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I appreciate that you didn't post the link to this, and please anyone else who "finds" this build (yes its out there) please do not post it anywhere either. It is extremely beta and has many problems (to the point where you would have to open your tablet to push the internal reset button). Thanks
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
Notion ink adam is getting official ICS, I suppose that will help a lot?
iammuze said:
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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I realize you're just trying to show people where it is, but if the devs don't want you pouring out THEIR work to the world just yet, I think it's best to listen.
iammuze said:
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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There are good reasons why the devs don't want this posted. Its not to spite anyone or rub it in their faces. 1 they don't want to be liable for someone elses damaged tablet, 2 do you know if the voltage regulators aren't correct it could fry your gtablet permanently, 3 they're a good hard working group who is doing this for zero dollars in their spare personal time and only want to put out a good working product. Have a little respect for their wishes. Be warned that alpha build could permanent damage your gtablet.
iammuze said:
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and ****.
EDIT: Ok now that I'm done fuming about this. The release that was posted is an early build of CM9. It is based off of Android 4.0.3. The kernel that is included with that release is linux 2.6.36. Since then, we have now moved onto 2.6.39. In no way is the "dev" group elitist. At any time anyone could have joined the IRC group and asked for a download link to the latest kernel/rom. The reason this has not been released yet is because of the "power button" script. When the power button is tripped at random times it causes the entire tablet to freeze up. The only way to "reset" the tablet is to open it up and press the internal reset button, thereby voiding any warranty from Viewsonic. Another issue that I have seen with using this kernel is possible damage to the camera. Just a few days ago I learned that while running this kernel the camera heats up and is hot to the touch, almost to the point of burning yourself. I have since then, unplugged the camera from the mainboard, to hopefully stop damage to the camera (I'm guessing that whoever has run this already without unplugging their camera, has potentially fried it). In short, installing this rom does give you some latest and greatest software to play with, but with it comes risks. DO NOT INSTALL THIS ROM/KERNEL IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RISK DAMAGING YOUR TABLET.
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
fosser2 said:
Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
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Kids.....they think they know everything! Haha, just kidding but hopefully maybe people understand why now. Im pumped about the HC release! Im tired of froyo and can't wait to play the THD games that required 2.3+. Thank you and the rest of the team so much for your hard work. Im not a programmer but im going to start digging for the technical info you need for the camera.
fosser2 said:
Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and ****.
EDIT: Ok now that I'm done fuming about this. The release that was posted is an early build of CM9. It is based off of Android 4.0.3. The kernel that is included with that release is linux 2.6.36. Since then, we have now moved onto 2.6.39. In no way is the "dev" group elitist. At any time anyone could have joined the IRC group and asked for a download link to the latest kernel/rom. The reason this has not been released yet is because of the "power button" script. When the power button is tripped at random times it causes the entire tablet to freeze up. The only way to "reset" the tablet is to open it up and press the internal reset button, thereby voiding any warranty from Viewsonic. Another issue that I have seen with using this kernel is possible damage to the camera. Just a few days ago I learned that while running this kernel the camera heats up and is hot to the touch, almost to the point of burning yourself. I have since then, unplugged the camera from the mainboard, to hopefully stop damage to the camera (I'm guessing that whoever has run this already without unplugging their camera, has potentially fried it). In short, installing this rom does give you some latest and greatest software to play with, but with it comes risks. DO NOT INSTALL THIS ROM/KERNEL IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RISK DAMAGING YOUR TABLET.
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
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Thanks to all the Devs working on this stuff for us! That said if you guys need any testing done just shoot me a PM, I rarely use my tablet any more and have cracked it open plenty of times for other hardware testing. I don't have much time to work on software anymore, but am more than willing to test stuff for you if you don't wish to risk your tablets. Again thanks for all your work.
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Closing this thread - this is just getting out of hand folks.
I was looking to test roms on kfhd and look at the responses.We could get ubuntu soon on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2119015
While that's all fine and dandy, this does not belong in the development section. In the future, please only post development related threads in here. Thanks.
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Ichigo said:
While that's all fine and dandy, this does not belong in the development section. In the future, please only post development related threads in here. Thanks.
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we knew this about ubuntu, why repost it !
Ubuntu for Android - Several Months Away
KindleFireGuy said:
I was looking to test roms on kfhd and look at the responses.We could get ubuntu soon on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2119015
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KindleFireGuy,
This is still a work in progress and depends on many factors so do not get too excited. Eventually, we will offer this ROM although we are hoping to collaborate with others in this community who specialize in custom ROMs since we want to share the ROM, not keep it exclusively.
As soon as Canonical Ubuntu authorizes the release of the platform, we will make it available to developers first, the the end user. Having said this, we are a ways off.
Focus our efforts on CM10, Hashcode has developed a beautiful ROM for the Kindle Fire 2, I am sure he will release on for the HD 8.9" soon as well. This is what we need to be excited about - Ubuntu is a very different approach that requires docks for the home office that are not fully supported yet. When the manufacturs begin to offer a wide array of Docs then Ubuntu will be ready to launch.
We will post an official response when we are authorized to release Ubuntu.
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KindleFireGuy,
This is still a work in progress and depends on many factors so do not get too excited. Eventually, we will offer this ROM although we are hoping to collaborate with others in this community who specialize in custom ROMs since we want to share the ROM, not keep it exclusively.
As soon as Canonical Ubuntu authorizes the release of the platform, we will make it available to developers first, the the end user. Having said this, we are a ways off.
Focus our efforts on CM10, Hashcode has developed a beautiful ROM for the Kindle Fire 2, I am sure he will release on for the HD 8.9" soon as well. This is what we need to be excited about - Ubuntu is a very different approach that requires docks for the home office that are not fully supported yet. When the manufacturs begin to offer a wide array of Docs then Ubuntu will be ready to launch.
We will post an official response when we are authorized to release Ubuntu.
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Prokennexusa, do you know how to make a kernel?
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There is absolutely no need for this thread! Its a placeholder of nothing other than another thread from within XDA and from general section itself.
Thread closed!