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Why aren't there any camera apps?

I find this a bit strange that we have to do with that crapy ass camera app MicroSoft left us with. Why hasn't there ever been built another camera app to replace the standard one? Is it technically impossible? Cause I would love to see an app that works and has the looks of the new Sony Ericssons camera app. On my Symbian phone there are several camera apps available and some are indeed better than the regular one (producing better quality photos). We can get apps to do almost everything or to replace existing apps in the OS, but just not for the camera. So does anyone have an answer to this, cause I really like to know. :shock:

i have exactly the same thought! why o why?

camera app is not by Microsoft but by High Tech Computer Corp.

deuxani said:
I find this a bit strange that we have to do with that crapy ass camera app MicroSoft left us with. Why hasn't there ever been built another camera app to replace the standard one? Is it technically impossible? Cause I would love to see an app that works and has the looks of the new Sony Ericssons camera app. On my Symbian phone there are several camera apps available and some are indeed better than the regular one (producing better quality photos). We can get apps to do almost everything or to replace existing apps in the OS, but just not for the camera. So does anyone have an answer to this, cause I really like to know. :shock:
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What is the point - the camera hardware in this phone sucks. A million apps will not change that. As they say: garbage in-garabage out.

No , IA camera works great , if only we can run it on Wm2005 that would be Superb

But the software you use to take pictures is also very important for the quality. If it has bad lighting control, the pictures will look worse, etc. A timer would be handy too, cause I have the feeling that it's impossible to take a picture without slightly moving the phone at the moment of the shot. But this IA Camera app looks ok (at least alot better than the standard app), but where can I get it, cause it isn't being sold anymore. Check out the manual here:
http://www.gaborvision.com.tw/img/IA-CAMERA-WIZARD-USER-MANU.pdf
I really want to try this.
EDIT: I found this thread on a camera timer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23585&highlight=ia+camera
I attached the app.

HD2 camera working WAY better under droid (mattc version) than under Windows Mobile

I've installed Mattc's great Android version on my HD2, and the first thing I notice is that both the camera and the camcorder work WAY (WAY) better under Droid than under WinMO. The bad white balance issues seem to be gone under Droid. Isn't that a proof that the camera problems were only a software bug, and not a hardware issue?
Please share your experience about this issue here - maybe it's just observer error from me.
Thanks.

Does the video recording also improved to do 720p like the Evo?

I don't know what was wrong with your windows install, but the camera/video on my HD2 is incredible under windows mobile. It's actually better than my $300 point and shoot camera, which is really a sad statement for my camera, but the HD2 is great.

KevlarTheGreat said:
I don't know what was wrong with your windows install, but the camera/video on my HD2 is incredible under windows mobile. It's actually better than my $300 point and shoot camera, which is really a sad statement for my camera, but the HD2 is great.
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No offense meant, man, but I seriously doubt this. I have two other camera devices, a LG Renoir phone and a reflex Sony digital camera, both take way better pictures than the HD2. It's not even a resolution problem, the colors are just totally ****ed up.
Sorry if I'm not the usual HD2 blind fanatic and know to recognize the phone's weaknesses - even though I like my phone a lot otherwise.

I'm an EE. I don't get excited about things just because I think it's "cool". The camera is actually very good on my HD2. Should I post some example pics? Maybe you have the first revision of HD2? I have the TMobile one with the yellow reset button (revision 2).
Obviously, when I need to take a picture of something far away, my point-and-shoot does a lot better because it has optical zoom, but the HD2 does really well at medium range. My wife, who doesn't get excited at all about technology even mentioned that she was impressed with its pictures.

Proof by the example:
Both camera software have exactly the same settings and auto white balance, and Windows Mobile has a very recent ROM with the latest versions of all software (Artemis).
Windows Mobile:
Android:
The difference is obvious. The Android photo has natural colors, while the Windows Mobile one has ugly shades of purple/pink and is generally ugly.
The Windows Mobile camera software is clearly still bugged at least on some versions of the HD2. It's definitely not the hardware, since if it was, Android wouldn't be able to take good shots either.
EDIT: And yes, I have an older model of HD2.

Wildcopper said:
Proof by the example:
Both camera software have exactly the same settings and auto white balance, and Windows Mobile has a very recent ROM with the latest versions of all software (Artemis).
Windows Mobile:
Android:
The difference is obvious. The Android photo has natural colors, while the Windows Mobile one has ugly shades of purple/pink and is generally ugly.
The Windows Mobile camera software is clearly still bugged at least on some versions of the HD2. It's definitely not the hardware, since if it was, Android wouldn't be able to take good shots either.
EDIT: And yes, I have an older model of HD2.
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wow man, youre garden looks like mess
i have canon 500d other than hd2, so, its taking better pictures in every resolution option. i know, i just cant compare this two devices photographing performance, but like said before in the first posts, hd2's colors looks like mess, wb is awful. the only good thing is macro performance i think.
but its still better than wm 6.5. wm just, i dunno

Yeah, I also take way better shots with my Sony Alpha (and even with my LG Renoir), but at least in Android, the HD2 photos look "decent" for a mobile phone. The windows one just look... well... VERY bad.
Oh, and that's not my garden... well, that's only like 5% of it. The rest is behind the door at the back, this is only the "Tomato + a few flowers" part

hmm... in Camcorder mode, doesn't the auto-focus no longer work when recording? It just stucked at the focus point when the record button is tapped no matter where and what you're trying to aim at. Any fix for that?

Wildcopper said:
I've installed Mattc's great Android version on my HD2, and the first thing I notice is that both the camera and the camcorder work WAY (WAY) better under Droid than under WinMO. The bad white balance issues seem to be gone under Droid. Isn't that a proof that the camera problems were only a software bug, and not a hardware issue?
Please share your experience about this issue here - maybe it's just observer error from me.
Thanks.
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So your camera in Android (that is capped to 3 MP) performs better then the camera in WinMO?(That has 5 MP)
How did you manage to do that?

KrewsialNL said:
So your camera in Android (that is capped to 3 MP) performs better then the camera in WinMO?(That has 5 MP)
How did you manage to do that?
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Don't believe everything that is written in the still experimental Android UI. The camera also does 5MP in Android.
And it's not a resolution problem - it's a color problem.

Wildcopper,
You stated that the video recorder is also better.
Does it record 720p like the Evo?

So you are saying the Android picture in the example looks better than the WinMobile one? Personally, I think the white walls and the roof look better in the Android picture, but most of the other stuff, especially the brown, looks a little better in the WinMobile picture. I don't know, they are so close, I can barely tell the difference. This is really what you are complaining about?
Maybe just don't have any ability to judge colors.... I don't know the difference between purple and fuchsia.

Seriously, the image taken with Android is much better for natural colour balance. Get your eyes tested! A lot of the picture taken under WinMo has a purple tint.

I think it will be better if you follow this steps
hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584765

Mine doesn't recognize MMC
It keeps saying "Please insert an SD card before using the camera".
Obviously MMC is in, there is whole Android system.
Has anybody experienced that?
Thanks guys

Major_Sarcasm said:
Seriously, the image taken with Android is much better for natural colour balance. Get your eyes tested! A lot of the picture taken under WinMo has a purple tint.
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yes it has purple tint.. especially at low light environment. the picture is crap . unusable. when flash on the light bounce back from any nearest object

Um....to the guy asking about 720p recording....like the EVO 4G? Not yet.....maybe in the future

Wildcopper said:
I've installed Mattc's great Android version on my HD2, and the first thing I notice is that both the camera and the camcorder work WAY (WAY) better under Droid than under WinMO. The bad white balance issues seem to be gone under Droid. Isn't that a proof that the camera problems were only a software bug, and not a hardware issue?
Please share your experience about this issue here - maybe it's just observer error from me.
Thanks.
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not sure bout the quality, but the interface in fact i like android better, the interface feel more home to a real digital camera.

precsmo said:
not sure bout the quality, but the interface in fact i like android better, the interface feel more home to a real digital camera.
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I totally agree with you on that point, I even think that the autofocusing part/algorithm is better on Android than on WM. Used to get a lot of "blurry" pictures just from pushing the "shoot"-button even though WM had everything into focus. This problem is gone with Android, dunno if it's only related to a different button layout, but it's clearly better.

Crappy Pictures....shutter is too slow

Hey guys, new here to Android and it millions of bells and whistles....
I have a question, the camera takes agreat pictures, provided that the camera and subject are perfectly still. Any type of movement and you are left with a blur.
I was wondering if this shutter speed is a hardware issue or software? If it's software, is there any patch or build that can be added to a temp rooted phone (VISIONary)?
Or a dumb question....is it a setting that I need to tweak???? right now it's all set to HD, superfine, yara yara yara....all the user settings are on max....
Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure if shutter speed is to blame at all. Seems like all the htc cameras frigging suck. I still have my old n97 and ill tell ya, its pics look way better than any htc android phone. I have an awesome point n shoot. But every now and then I have to use my phone, I don't walk around with my cybershot everywhere I go. I don't expect dslr like quality pics. But I think htc should read a page from nokias book.

I also hope there is a tweak for this. I love the G2 but my Vibrant was reigned supreme on everything picture related. Please let there be a fix, including even the samsung galaxy S camera app.

asarousi said:
I also hope there is a tweak for this. I love the G2 but my Vibrant was reigned supreme on everything picture related. Please let there be a fix, including even the samsung galaxy S camera app.
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Wow really???? I tried the vibran, and the main reason I stayed away was because the camera sucked!!!1 and no Flash what gives????
The [email protected] IMHO is far superior taking pics than the vibrant, but neither trump the camera on my BB8900 with 3.2 MP. I over a thousand pics with that phone....some that have been enlarged to 8.5 x 11 and are hanging on my walls....I can't say that I see myself hanging anything taken with the G2...and that is very unfortunate!!!

Crey23 said:
Wow really???? I tried the vibran, and the main reason I stayed away was because the camera sucked!!!1 and no Flash what gives????
The [email protected] IMHO is far superior taking pics than the vibrant, but neither trump the camera on my BB8900 with 3.2 MP. I over a thousand pics with that phone....some that have been enlarged to 8.5 x 11 and are hanging on my walls....I can't say that I see myself hanging anything taken with the G2...and that is very unfortunate!!!
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Absolutely, the Vibrant camera and software is superior, the camera takes a picture immediately. The application is amazing with touch to focus and several quality presets (panorama sport burst, etc.) It does have a lack of flash which sucks but the night mode almost makes up for it. it feels like forever to take a picture with the G2. like OP said, if the subject of the picture moves within the shutter period, a big blur is the result.

Crey23 said:
Wow really???? I tried the vibran, and the main reason I stayed away was because the camera sucked!!!1 and no Flash what gives????
The [email protected] IMHO is far superior taking pics than the vibrant, but neither trump the camera on my BB8900 with 3.2 MP. I over a thousand pics with that phone....some that have been enlarged to 8.5 x 11 and are hanging on my walls....I can't say that I see myself hanging anything taken with the G2...and that is very unfortunate!!!
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dude I had a vibrant. Its camera takes much better pics than the g2. The vibrants video capture is much smoother and better detailed too. Its still not as good as my old n900 and n97.
I'd kill for a nokia branded android phone. I hope meego flops lol.
Also, I had a curve 8900 and a bold 9700. Worse cameras ever unless u were taking pics of documents. I can honestly say that those blackberrys pics were better than a g1 but no where near as nice as the vibrants.

My N1 took very crisp photos but even with little motion the G2 looks like crap there has to be a software fix for this

DToX69 said:
My N1 took very crisp photos but even with little motion the G2 looks like crap there has to be a software fix for this
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well now that u mention it, my n1 did take less blurry pics than my g2; but I think the g2's pics look a hair better as long as the subject doesn't move.
The day will come when nude chicks r jumping on a trampoline and I hope for the g2's sake that those pics wont come out blurry. Otherwise it may meet a blender lol

the G2 has the best camera i have used in a long time on a phone. i have had 6 phones this year alone and the G2 has the best camera out of all of them, and it has flash and a dedicated button on the side. vibrant was one of the phones i had in the past and the lack of flash and dedicated button really bugged me after a while. odds are once we get custom ROMs and CM6 there will be improvements on the camera including touch to focus(the only thing i liked about the vibrant)

DToX69 said:
My N1 took very crisp photos but even with little motion the G2 looks like crap there has to be a software fix for this
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Same with every phone I've ever had... if you move it the pictures suck.

what happens if you disable the autofocus?
This could improve the pictures.

The Camera Quality Thing...what´s your solution?

Hey folks!
I´m one of the most enthusiastic Streak user within us (coming from an HD2 ) and I´m loving my new phone...
BUT: As all of you surely know, the camera is a not-so-funny-joke compared to phones like the HD2. So after many months where nobody has talked about this, my question is: What are your solutions/workaraounds for better pictures?
I´ve just tried the obvious: camera360 & MagicHour. But no, it doesn´t make it much better.
Last but not least: Is there some hope e.g. for getting some better drivers? Hope dies last, I´m praying for some very kind devs with similar intentions

Hmmm everyone knows the Streak's camera is no great and I think this has to do with the camera module itself. Look at HTC's camera, they mostly suck especially in low light conditions and in video recording at night - till now even if there is a great amount of developpers working on htc phones, no one has successfully modded them. And to tell you the truth, considering that the Streak is not that popular for modders, chances are really really weak that someone will work on it.
I think Sony Ericsson X10/Arc/N8/Infuse/Mytouch4G Slide are among the best camera phone if I'm not mistaken.

Final5k said:
Hmmm everyone knows the Streak's camera is no great and I think this has to do with the camera module itself. Look at HTC's camera, they mostly suck especially in low light conditions and in video recording at night - till now even if there is a great amount of developpers working on htc phones, no one has successfully modded them. And to tell you the truth, considering that the Streak is not that popular for modders, chances are really really weak that someone will work on it.
I think Sony Ericsson X10/Arc/N8/Infuse/Mytouch4G Slide are among the best camera phone if I'm not mistaken.
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i also agree. sony ericsson and nokia always best in camera. i also own a streak 5. but my old nokia 6600 slide is 10times better quality photo thn streak though its only 3.2 MP.

I find the Streak's camera is perfect for quick shots, but prefer using my three-year old digital camera since its CCD sensor is larger than the one in the Streak.

With Camera360, the photos come out with a quality more pleasing to the eyes than the stock camera. It's ok to take photos if you are not picky about quality but don't expect jaw-dropping photos!
My fav camera phone goes definitely to the Nokia N8 and Sony Satio/X10 - they maybe a bit old, but when you take photos or videos, you can show them to everyone since the quality is high above than most smartphones!

I use a proper camera if I want to take proper photographs, the Streak is handy for the odd snapshot but it's a phone/tablet device, not a camera.

Yeah, my solution to poor phone cameras is to not use them. If the Streak didn't have a camera I wouldn't miss it.
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA Premium App

try lg camera port.. work better than the original... thats "better", it doesnt work miracles though

djscopesofm said:
try lg camera port.. work better than the original... thats "better", it doesnt work miracles though
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May I ask you which LG port you mean? The one from this thread?

not 100% but that might be it

Will google ever fix the camera app? :/

Why is it so hard for google to fix the camera app and the camera quality issues that plague android? I was expecting them to fix it with the 5.1 update , but no luck, if you ask apple fans why they think the iphone is superior , the only thing they have going for them is camera quality. All I'm asking is that they reduce the time it takes to take a HDR+ picture , because without HDR+ the nexus 6 camera is kinda meh, implement an auto HDR+ mode, let us actually use burst mode, timelapse, that's pretty much it.... I don't want to install 3 different camera apps to get features that should be stock ...

Chad_Petree said:
Why is it so hard for google to fix the camera app and the camera quality issues that plague android? I was expecting them to fix it with the 5.1 update , but no luck, if you ask apple fans why they think the iphone is superior , the only thing they have going for them is camera quality. All I'm asking is that they reduce the time it takes to take a HDR+ picture , because without HDR+ the nexus 6 camera is kinda meh, implement an auto HDR+ mode, let us actually use burst mode, timelapse, that's pretty much it.... I don't want to install 3 different camera apps to get features that should be stock ...
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Totally agree, nexus 6 is finally a google phone with a good sensor and lens, and they ruin it with a camera app stuck in 2012.
Things missing:
- 60 fps video
- auto HDR
- HDR Video
- burst mode
- slow motion
- manual settings for ISO and shutter speed
- touch focus & manual focus during videos
- stutter free zoom
- stereo sound recording

I hear you I'm not very pleased with the situation either. I did download a program just for burst mode (Perfectly Clear) something that was standard on my galaxy S3 2 + years ago. The focus hunting in video mode is infuriating also.
I also agree about the iPhone. I was looking through my friend's new iPhone 6 and was playing with apps and camera like lame, lame, lame, wow this camera app is nice and slow mo!
Sent from my Nexus 6

I want a quick picture may use the camera app.
I do not have the time or care enough about taking pictures to learn what half the terms mean.
Take a picture, capture a moment .... looks good enough to me.
Really if they had Auto HDR .... whatever that is I can not see me using it.
Just go with the defaults.
If anything I never go for the highest resolution do not want to fill my internal memory or cloud storage with pictures.
Now I read many threads where people that want to take professional looking pictures just buy a third party app, think Camera 2 was recommended.
The iPhone Camera app maybe better but with Android you are free to try other apps.

The problem is the 3rd party apps suck at doing it (HDR, Burst, etc) and some excel at one thing so you end up having 4 camera apps that don't do what the iPhone camera does pretty well in one app. It is not like you can't run other camera apps on your iPhone either!
Don't be an Android fanboi/apologist please. Good grief!

I don't think its being an android fanboy or apologist to say a person has a differing opinion than yours. I use HDR on my N6 ALL THE TIME.
Quality is fine for me. I'm not looking to become some great camera phone photographer. I just want to capture a quick moment. I've used quite a few camera apps and, in the end, I find it doesn't matter to me. It all looks good to me.
Point, shoot, upload... MAYBE stream through Chromecast for family. You prefer a better camera set of functions, others, including myself, think the camera is just fine because it fits what we do with our cameras.
It not like anyone is slinging mud at you and telling you to go get an iPhone.. Don't be that guy that throws mud because someone has a differing opinion than you.

So just to be clear... your opinion is the camera app is "good enough" and we all should be fine with that? Oh well then O.K. No reason to improve it then. What's next?
Edit: YOU HAVE A NOTE 4??? Get the f*** out of here you are not using Google camera!!! If I had a Note 4 I would not be complaining either! It arguably takes better pictures than the iPhone :good:

DebianDog said:
So just to be clear... your opinion is the camera app is "good enough" and we all should be fine with that? Oh well then O.K. No reason to improve it then. What's next?
Edit: YOU HAVE A NOTE 4??? Get the f*** out of here you are not using Google camera!!!
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u do realize u can download the google camera from the play store right? Also its just a phone with a camera. you want quality pics buy a real camera. Gotta love the complainers over something very small. There is nothing wrong with the camera. Get real. Jeez

Auto HDR would also help people who don't want to spend time learning to take pictures.
I think we need an easy to use and fast camera app, which also adds options for those who want to get the best out of the camera. The new Lumia Camera 5 is doing this pretty good i think.

Title of thread: Will google ever fix the camera app
People agree it sucks. It runs from acceptable to horrendous. We are labeled complainers? Why is it so much to ask that Google has a "good" camera by default then if I want manual controls or other features I use another app?
Yes, if I want to take a lot of good pictures I will break out my DSLR but functionally my Galaxy S3 was better than what came in my Nexus 6.

DebianDog said:
Title of thread: Will google ever fix the camera app
People agree it sucks. It runs from acceptable to horrendous. We are labeled complainers? Why is it so much to ask that Google has a "good" camera by default then if I want manual controls or other features I use another app?
Yes, if I want to take a lot of good pictures I will break out my DSLR but functionally my Galaxy S3 was better than what came in my Nexus 6.
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Its very simple to them having a acceptable os running would be far more important than any apks. You cant sit there and tell me u rather have a good camera over the os. If so thats a stupid thought. A camera app can be fixed very easily by downloading another from the playstore. So again this small issue that people are having with the google camera is what it is A SMALL ISSUE.

Not quite sure i agree with all the people saying " you can just download another app " ?? you can't
Not if you want 120fps slow motion
or 60fps.

italia0101 said:
Not quite sure i agree with all the people saying " you can just download another app " ?? you can't
Not if you want 120fps slow motion
or 60fps.
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You cant....oh here u go. Sure can
https://play.google.com/store/searc...iCAoGY2FtZXJhegIYAIoBAggB:S:ANO1ljIbXPM&hl=en
Oh look google camera 2nd one on the list.

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You cant....oh here u go. Sure can
https://play.google.com/store/searc...iCAoGY2FtZXJhegIYAIoBAggB:S:ANO1ljIbXPM&hl=en
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Thanks for that massive list of camera apps... none of which give 60fps or 120fps slow motion?

italia0101 said:
Thanks for that massive list of camera apps... none of which give 60fps or 120fps slow motion?
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its a phone are u serious? if your looking for a camera with a phone then go to windows
The nexus 6 is a phone with a camera. Besides even in your post u stated u cant download another app. Right there proves u wrong.

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its a phone are u serious? if your looking for a camera with a phone then go to windows
The nexus 6 is a phone with a camera. Besides even in your post u stated u cant download another app. Right there proves u wrong.
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Lol ok, you need to take the fanboy hat off. Firstly i've had every Nexus phone since the Nexus S , love them, but the camera app is just poor and lacking features.
Oh and go back and read my post again, i said ... not if you want 60fps or 120fps slow motion. ( which btw the OnePlus One can do with the same sensor!) .. get off your high horse
"its a phone are u serious? if your looking for a camera with a phone then go to windows"
This is beyond stupid, how many Android phones out there have MUCH better camera apps than Nexus branded devices ???? ?nearly all of them
The fanboy in you is shocking.

italia0101 said:
Lol ok, you need to take the fanboy hat off. Firstly i've had every Nexus phone since the Nexus S , love them, but the camera app is just poor and lacking features.
Oh and go back and read my post again, i said ... not if you want 60fps or 120fps slow motion... get off your high horse .
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Far from a fan boy. Just getting ridiculous with people complaining about a non issue. How is the camera lacking features when it was provided just recently? the google camera is new back in april 2014. So no sure what u mean by poor and lacking features. If thats the case then the google now launcher and is poor and lacking features. Do some research fanboy

the_rooter said:
Far from a fan boy. Just getting ridiculous with people complaining about a non issue. How is the camera lacking features when it was provided just recently? the google camera is new back in april 2014. So no sure what u mean by poor and lacking features. If thats the case then the google now launcher and is poor and lacking features. Do some research fanboy
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Lol you're making yourself look ridiculous.
So apparently because it was given to us in April 2014 means its perfect? LOL
HTC, Samsung , Sony, OnePlus ( Oneplus btw has the same damn sensor so its 100% capable ) ... All of their Android devices offer :
60-fps
Slow motion
HDR in video
better autofocus while recording video
The list is actually pretty long from whats lacking on the Nexus camera app, sorry but if you can't see that , you're straight up blind, either physically or mentally

italia0101 said:
Lol you're making yourself look ridiculous.
So apparently because it was given to us in April 2014 means its perfect? LOL
HTC, Samsung , Sony, OnePlus ... All of their Android devices offer :
60-fps
Slow motion
HDR in video
better autofocus while recording video
The list is actually pretty long from whats lacking on the Nexus camera app, sorry but if you can't see that , there's no point in taking to you.
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your the one complaining about a non issue. google makes apps/os as simple as possible. Again research before u continue to complain about a non issue. Your a joke dude thinking that google left out features. there is a reason why. Simplicity.
Have a great day
Ps. Never said its perfect, but its not bad as most people state it is. I rather have simplicity over a camera with features I wont use.

the_rooter said:
your the one complaining about a non issue. google makes apps/os as simple as possible. Again research before u continue to complain about a non issue. Your a joke dude thinking that google left out features. there is a reason why. Simplicity.
Have a great day
Ps. Never said its perfect, but its not bad as most people state it is. I rather have simplicity over a camera with features I wont use.
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LOL , cheers, needed that laugh