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[Q] Sony Xperia Arc Opinions

The Arc looks like a fantastic all around phone in that it has great clear/loud sound/with mega bass. I wonder if this phone is using the Wolfson chip.
Takes great pictures in low light/video is smooth/Hdmi mirroring. Very smooth UI and great colors on the screen.
It has a single core Qualcomm Scorpion MSM8255 processor. I realize its not a Dual Core phone but since they are just entering the market I would prefer to go with a single core 2nd generation phone.
I was thinking of getting the Samsung Galaxy S II but Samsung is still doing updates on the first Galaxy S and I don't trust them re updates.
Sony has stated that they did not handle updates for the X10 very well but promise to do a lot better with updates in regards to the Arc,I believe them.
Furthermore bigger isn;t always better.(Dual Core Vs Single Core)
In the end I want a phone that has clarity/volume in regards to phone calls/Great Camera/Good Video/can play games on it.
Would love to hear your opinions on the Arc Pro/Con.

how could you believe a thief when he tells you he won't steal anything anymore...
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I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.

Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.

SEFanX10i said:
Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.
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apparently this is not the case. The hard lockdown on devices in the past has made it hard even for SE to upgrade the phones. The new phones are said to have a more open bootloader to make it easier to update

+1 for the Neo (how could SE have stuffed up and not given their flagship model a front facing camera.. but given the cheaper model the same fancy new screen and camera chip and also given it a Front camera!) are they really that stupid?
I'm going buy an HTC or Samsung next..and if not them a motorola.. after those choices.. I might consider a Neo
Kiwi

And so here I am on a brand new Arc. Had it for a day or so and must say it's been very smooth so far. My latest phone was an X10i so this is not terribly different...
Anyway, first impressions are very good. Great screen. Native Exchange integration is perfect (except I can't sort contacts by other than first name, believe this is an Android quirk). WiFi tethering was very smooth. DLNA was hitch-free. In-call sound quality is very good, I'd say better than the other Xperias I've had (apparently it has a little mic that takes up background noice to cancel it out, though I think I'll need to fly with a head-set to experience this properly). Why they've switched the "menu" and "back" buttons around I can't understand for the love of me, but maybe there's a reason...
Overall, with my short experience it's been great, so far. Certainly a phone I would recommend to any non-X10 user and probably to those that have X10s, as well.
Cheers for now/M
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what a lucky person!!! i love the phone so much. you must be very close to SE. so can you please advise when it will be released. it think april is too late to wait. im keen to have the phone right away.
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A video review from a guy at ESATO forums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlIiD5he1S8
My thoughts...very nice design, good screen and very good camera, the bad? it lags too much.

oh wow, I just actually clicked on the video LOL I know that person personally since he's in Thailand. Like both him/I said, wait for the final firmware. That unit he has is still a very early prototype, no where near the final. Some of the hardware isn't even implemented yet, you can tell which . Cheers

joplin48 said:
I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.
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look,when you talking about you don't trust sgs which is only 3 months younger than x10 and got 2.2 update almost the same time as x10 got 2.1, and knowing that SE announced x10 would never receive 2.2 but samsung never claim they won't provide further version, but then you said you trust in SE?
i don't think you need any oppinion at all.
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Got to play the arc, neo and play last night, and I also saw the arc at CES. Its certainly improved since then, and huggee fast first time round.
One thing I noticed is that the widget overview is now smooth, no lag like before.
As for neo vs arc, there are lots of similarities, but when you pick the phones up the arc feels better, special somehow. The neo feels normal... Also the display is better on the arc.
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Does arc support 3g video call?
GN Multimedia - X10i

Nope. No front-view camera.

McHan said:
Nope. No front-view camera.
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Thanks. So sad... really 3g video call feature.
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Neo vs Arc..... I'll say Arc for the design, never used front cameras and don't see a reason to use it
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i am really happy eith it, is fast and has one of the most important thnigs to me... design, the galaxy brand look like crap and are based on iphone design

There are Differences on Arc and Neo not just the Looks
Arc
>Clear Black Panel(No Air Gap, Great Sunlight Legibility, 20% more Brighter than Neo)
>Lightweight(117g) vs (126g)
>Slim Arc Body(8.7mm~10.5mm) vs (13mm)
>Screen Size 4.2" vs 3.7"
Neo
>Front Facing Camera
>Better Hardware Positions(Camera Sensor, Shutter Key)

Looking for new phone.

Well I have X8 one full year and now I'm looking for new phone.
I have eye on Xperia Mini but I don't know should I really but it at the end I'm looking something like X8 so if you have any suggestions please post it.

A goof option for me is the Xperia mini pro,its looks like x8 whit all its weaks points improved,just like processor,camera,etc...and it have a phisical keyboard!

XperianPro said:
Well I have X8 one full year and now I'm looking for new phone.
I have eye on Xperia Mini but I don't know should I really but it at the end I'm looking something like X8 so if you have any suggestions please post it.
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I got the ray it only 210pound in the the o2 shop it faster than the iPhone 4s on loading apps.
screen is clear than the iPhone.
it has 1ghz CPU ram 512 free 8mps can it got gd2.3 super1click working just no fourm on xda fully working sense 3.5 working on it. It is a good fighter for the HTC sensation it is all most as fast as it as I no my wee bro has it and now he is moving over to the ray the iPhone is my wife's and the ray kick ass if u no any1 with 1 just ask them to show you it you like
super.sense 3.5 on x8

If you have some money to spend you should get the Xperia Ray, for me it is very good, but i love the Arc S and if my parents give me permission to buy it, i will buy it, i want a big screen, and a very good Price/Quality'n'Performance relationship, and i have that in Arc S
Some Xperia Ray Specifications:
- Small size, it is easy to use with one hand, like X8
- A High Resolution, wich gives you an almost Retina Display (as the iPhone 4)
- 1GHz processor, fast enought
- 512MB Ram, suficient
- Slim, i like slim phones, X8 isn't slim
- GingerBread 2.3.4 with all his good features, like XLoud, Bravia Engine, Swipe Keyboard (?) + T9 Keyboard (?) (adjustable in settings)
- SE will give it the newest Android ICS
- 8MP Camera, with 720p video recording
- 4GB microSD card included

I might choose x10.
Although it is an old phone, but still better hardware than many almost same range price phone.

Im liking neo. It has exmor camera. Although im still thinking whether to pick neo or ray.
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XperianPro said:
Well I have X8 one full year and now I'm looking for new phone.
I have eye on Xperia Mini but I don't know should I really but it at the end I'm looking something like X8 so if you have any suggestions please post it.
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I would rather go with xperia pro,it's really fast and have a physical keyboard but slimmer than x8,I suggest that you reconsider the xperia mini because of its buggy camera,but you could get lucky by getting a non buggy camera model like some of the other lucky people

Sorry to barge in this thread
But yesterday I lost my beloved X8. Obviously can't think of any other phone than Android, the question is which one? Shall I go for HTC or retain SE again. Managing fund is the major problem at the moment . And I'm not going for a high end phone. I don't think there is any point in spending big money when you've got Tabs at almost the same (or even cheaper) price than those big shots like i-phone.
That also brings the next question, is it ok if I go for a Tab instead of the smartphone and use bluetooth for making calls. I can have at least 7" screen and phone combined in one package. So which one should I go for?

XperianPro said:
Well I have X8 one full year and now I'm looking for new phone.
I have eye on Xperia Mini but I don't know should I really but it at the end I'm looking something like X8 so if you have any suggestions please post it.
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Well I think Xperia Ray will be nice as the screen size is smaller than the IPhone and only weighs 100g.It fits in the pocket .

pokénoob said:
Well I think Xperia Ray will be nice as the screen size is smaller than the IPhone and only weighs 100g.It fits in the pocket .
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What is the price?
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Xperia Ray is like the Lite version of the Arc. You can compare it and see their price range in GSMarena.
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Big chance for Samsung...cheers Apple

OK 1 billion threads I know but its more so a thread of my joy.
See the big boys Samsung/Apple/HTC should be working along the lines of when they bring out their top end phone, its the best one....maybe for a few short months, but that’s the way tech works, wait for one company to bring something out then you better it.
My joy has came from the fact that I was waiting for Apple to trump Samsung, its a newer phone/hype so it will be better, Apples chance to go one up on Samsung, they have the court win (fix ) and a new phone right behind that, times are good, what could go wrong..........oh dear, its not quite the phone we all thought it might be.
Not a Apple fan (was many years ago) but had they brought out a really top end/new ideas phone then it would have been bad news for Samsung (state side) as it is Samsung now have the perfect chance to really push this, they have in a way got off lightly.
It will be very easy for Samsung to make a phone that easily outstrips the ip5, I just hope they take a little bit extra from that tech they are sitting on and really leave other companies behind, but that comes with a high cost.
P.S
Just love how Apple is lost for ideas.
I know the war on trying to bring other firms down to their speed is well under way but its shocking when they are so open about lack of innovation on their side.
There was a write up about the iphone 5 looking like a longer 4s, and the question was put to Apple on why the look of the phone has hardy changed since iphone4, the reply was that they felt it was a great design and that people liked it, and that they don’t see the main shape changing for sometime yet.
Why not simply say
“we don’t have any idea what we could do and we are not willy to take any chances, customers are happy with it so why bother trying any new ideas, but if the sales are not what we wanted then we will make a slight change to the shape........this is Apple after all, we are all about slight changes here”
So comment/delete yet another thread either way I am happy Apple dropped the ball with this one.

Apple has just smashed preorder records over all their other phones. Samsung won't outsell the iPhone, and in terms of specs their phones have always been better anyway.
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matttye said:
Apple has just smashed preorder records over all their other phones. Samsung won't outsell the iPhone, and in terms of specs their phones have always been better anyway.
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The iPhone 5 has better specs? ......
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matttye said:
Apple has just smashed preorder records over all their other phones. Samsung won't outsell the iPhone, and in terms of specs their phones have always been better anyway.
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How do you know this, I don't doubt you but would like to see the figures.

Cm10 latest with s3 = godly.

Best is nit a figure. Best for what?
Whats best some one is not for another. Specs dont mean best
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I think it's 4 million preorders for the iPhone 5.
Also iSheep don't buy a phone because it's the best (like us) they buy a phone because it's an iPhone no other reason. Apple could make a new Nokia 3310 and people would still buy it thinking it's the best because they blindly follow Apple.
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Already done. The SGS3 is superior to the iphone5.
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Its going down the path of mine is better than yours.....but I notice you start with preorders, so sales means its better? if so explain the Twilight movies, how did they make the money?????
Had you started off by listing the changes Apple made then I would be more willing to listen to a I.fan.
Oh and just so it does not need pointed out again
S1 1ghz 5mp camera 720p recording 4inch screen.512 ram
S2 1.2ghz dual core 8mp camera 1080p recording 4.3 inch screen.1gig ram.
S3 1.4ghz quad core 8pm camera 1080p recording 4.8 inch screen.1 gig ram.
Iphone 620mhz no camera 3.5 inch screen..128 ram.
Iphone 3g 620mhz.2mp camera vga recording.3.5 inch screen.128 ram.
Iphone 3gs 833mhz.3mp camera vga recording 3.5 inch screen.256 ram
Iphone 4 1ghz.5mp camera..720p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
Iphone 4s 1ghz.dual core.8mp camera 1080p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
Iphone 5 1.2ghz dual core.8mp camera 1080p recording 4 inch screen. 1gb ram.
It took them 6 phones to make these changes, they went form a 620mhz cpu to 1.2ghz dual core.
From no camera to 8mp 1080p recording.
From 128ram to 1gb ram.
And from a 3.5 inch screen to a..................well 4inch screen.
I know its all been said but to me this is not a big leap over 6 years, Samsung has done more over 3 years.

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Cm10 latest with s3 = godly.
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Agree!! Enjoying every bit of it now. I wish i could donate to CM Team but i don't have PayPal account.
Anyway, back to topic. I heard Samsung made sure S3 is iPhone 5 proof. Meaning they already knew how it would look like and made s3 superior.
W/o Steve Jobs, i don't think there's still life in Apple.

Steve jobs said before he died that he wanted to destroy android, Well i think by him dying he destroyed Apple.

voodoochild2008 said:
Its going down the path of mine is better than yours.....but I notice you start with preorders, so sales means its better? if so explain the Twilight movies, how did they make the money?????
Had you started off by listing the changes Apple made then I would be more willing to listen to a I.fan.
Oh and just so it does not need pointed out again
S1 1ghz 5mp camera 720p recording 4inch screen.512 ram
S2 1.2ghz dual core 8mp camera 1080p recording 4.3 inch screen.1gig ram.
S3 1.4ghz quad core 8pm camera 1080p recording 4.8 inch screen.1 gig ram.
Iphone 620mhz no camera 3.5 inch screen..128 ram.
Iphone 3g 620mhz.2mp camera vga recording.3.5 inch screen.128 ram.
Iphone 3gs 833mhz.3mp camera vga recording 3.5 inch screen.256 ram
Iphone 4 1ghz.5mp camera..720p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
Iphone 4s 1ghz.dual core.8mp camera 1080p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
Iphone 5 1.2ghz dual core.8mp camera 1080p recording 4 inch screen. 1gb ram.
It took them 6 phones to make these changes, they went form a 620mhz cpu to 1.2ghz dual core.
From no camera to 8mp 1080p recording.
From 128ram to 1gb ram.
And from a 3.5 inch screen to a..................well 4inch screen.
I know its all been said but to me this is not a big leap over 6 years, Samsung has done more over 3 years.
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The i5 has 1GHZ dual core...
Anyway,i do agree to that.
Most of apples buyers are dumb...
A youtube video where they showed the people the 4s instead of the 5 and most of them said it's definently better even though it was THE SAME FRICKING PHONE??
Jesus...i wonder who the hell did we get there sometimes...

Well I know I have a good phone when I can do everything I need w/o much tinkerin...I dont like CM and I hardly use modded stuff so I am not spoiled by the custom rom godness and still any stock android phone 2.3 and up have better usability than any iThing up to date. Cant debate usability.
Android top phones come in better specs, and spec is something that can be measured because its a fact that hardware X is faster than Y, cant debate on that when the difference is so great between top android phones and iphone.
The screen size, for me 4.5 is better than 4.8, that we can debate as it is personal preference. Everything else is no brainer for me, real multitask, widgets, the fact that I can chose my default apps, change my ringtone at will, stuff all my mp3 in a sdcard and be happy all day, and the look in my iphone friends faces when I click on a street addres inside gmail and android ask me if I want directions or maps...
Anyone who try to argue that iphone is a better smart phone is wrong, iphone is a better...ipod that make calls...for the hardware it sports and the target market I would say the iphone is still overkill.

Android phones will always have better specs, that's not going to change. Apple sells features not specs and that I mean by that is that Apple will advertise a certain feature, siri, and people will see that and flock, or something like icloud, and people will buy. 5 years ago if you would of told me that the wii would be one of the best selling systems of all time, I would of laughed, the wii is just gamecube 2,with a new controller, but Nintendo focused on features and not specs and look what happened
I think Samsung is getting the idea, advertise what the phone can do, and why you need it, then people will buy. It's easy to say that the iphone is gonna outsell the sg3 because if you want an iphone you get an iphone, there no choice, if you want a android, you literally have 500 choices.
Plus Samsung makes alot of the parts for the iphone so they winning regardless
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matttye said:
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That could just mean they doing a Buzz Lightyear and deliberately creating stock shortages so all the iSheep think it's more popular than it actually is.

The ip5 will sell well, but if its looking to good then Samsung will start teasing the SGS4 and its "maybe specs" I mean there is already talk of its first showing next year been March.
This is Samsungs chance to distance their product, better specs/features/look, after Apples so so ip5 Samsung really need to make the most of it and show off, it does come at a cost but long term it will be a winner.

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Well I do think that Samsung and rest of the Android pack has a lot of catching up with apple's processor. Especially in terms of battery consumption. They could fit quite small sized battery and still have excellent battery life. I don't like Apple as an company and because of that will always boycott them but must give credit for the processor.
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CandyAndy said:
Well I do think that Samsung and rest of the Android pack has a lot of catching up with apple's processor. Especially in terms of battery consumption. They could fit quite small sized battery and still have excellent battery life. I don't like Apple as an company and because of that will always boycott them but must give credit for the processor.
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Features are what matters to the average person not pointless benchmark results and a little bit of a speedup, and iPhone chronically lacks features compared to Android.

Apple does not have to try hard for making an 'innovative' phone. Just putting a new name tag would turn on the iSheeps and sell like hot cakes. So be it.
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Hard choice? Sony Xperia Z or HTC One

Hi Guys!
After spending hours and hours on forum, test etc... I'm currently hesiting between the HTC One or Sony Xperia. I like both disign but I order the Xperia for the moment because good package in belgium. The phone + Bluetooth speaker + Dock for 649 euros.
But the HTC One processor seems better the Sony Xperia?
Please Help me in my choice :'(

Go for Xperia Z, it is better! Htc gives poor user support.
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Ok But why it's better? I like both disign what about the processor? Snap Dragon 600 is better than the 400 Pro?

Obviously everyone on Z board will suggest you Z, and HTC One on One board. So ask this question in General forum.
But the best advice really is to test both devices yourself and get the one you like more. Simple as that

If you're sitting on your Phone and like to run Benchmarks all day then go for the HTC.
The processor of the XZ is more then sufficient. Making the choice due to a more overpowered processor seems odd

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Ok But why it's better? I like both disign what about the processor? Snap Dragon 600 is better than the 400 Pro?
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XZ has water and dust proof with cool camera. And much more functions! Even XZ has 400Pro, keep in mind that HTC Sense takes more memory and heavier.
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Lol no I don't care about benchmarks Just bad experience with Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. Lag ,.. even after changing the rom to cynogen mod.
And I come from the Iphone 5 so I'm hoping for the same fluidity experience than on IOS That's all
I like the "Aluminium" disign on the HTC One but the disign of the Sony Xperia Z White looks incredible too Both are great But just I can't wait until march for the HTC One except if there is a good reason

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Go for Xperia Z, it is better! Htc gives poor user support.
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You made me laugh.
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Kinoal said:
Lol no I don't care about benchmarks Just bad experience with Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. Lag ,.. even after changing the rom to cynogen mod.
And I come from the Iphone 5 so I'm hoping for the same fluidity experience than on IOS That's all
I like the "Aluminium" disign on the HTC One but the disign of the Sony Xperia Z White looks incredible too Both are great But just I can't wait until march for the HTC One except if there is a good reason
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Please note that the aluminum is easy to be scrached off, and the color when scrached off is different color :/
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These are the biggest selling points for each when you compare the two:
Xperia Z
Lighter, more consistent skin
Praised, very slim design
Waterproof
SD slot
HDR Video
HTC One
Slightly faster
Better display (probably)
Special camera software (Zoe)
Better speakers
More internal memory
Aluminium body
Just take your pick. For me it was easy, the lighter skin of Sony adds a lot of functionality I really like (good Walkman and Album apps) while HTC's skin is a bit chaotic at times, almost like each app is designed by a completely different team. I don't have any experience with the HTC One in specific but this was the case on all past HTC's with Android and I don't expect it to have changed that much. If you prefer pure speed and hardware power the HTC One is probably the better choice.

If viewing angles and or speakers are important to you take the HTC else take the one you really want

Yeah true. Another point is on my iphone , when I have a call, I always have headshake. All the time. I check on the internet and I see that the DAS of the Iphone 5 is 0,92 and the Sony Xperia Z das is 0,55!!! Almost Half!
That's one of the reason why I want to switch to another phone cause I can't stay with my iphone next to my head more than 3 min or I directly have an headshake

4UP UltraPixel rear camera
If you don't really addicted to the 4UP UltraPixel rear camera and iPhone appearance and Sense TV, I think there is no need to change Sony Xperia Z to HTC One.

The BIG + of the Sony I think is that you have a SD Port. It Mean that you have have infinite Mémory. Have 2 or 3 SD Card of 32 Go with you in your wallet and store movies etc

Easy choice.
Xperia Z.
I had to Rma 3 one X's and although the screen was amazing and I did like sense, not enough to get me back.
Cant wait to get XZ.
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Don't forget about battery life too mate and xperia z is better to me because it has expandable sd card slot
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Hooo What do you mean? That the battery of XZ is better?
Yeah the sony look better and no need to wait 4 weeks And the welcome package is better. Bluetooth Speakers and Dock free

Really and truely this isn't going to help you decide I don't think.
My advice is like what I did myself is go and play with the two phones side by side and test everything out side by side and then decide which is better for you.
I could say One is better because XYZ but those could be for my needs not yours or person B will say Xperia Z again same thing that could be because that is what is suited to them.
The end of the day I am putting money into either HTC or Sony's pocket not the other way around - so there is no need for me to be biased about anything.

I know you right. It's just that It's also so difficult to switch from Iphone 5 to Android cause of my bad experience with the Samsung Tab 2 that I'm hesitate. Firstly I want to buy the XZ because I'm spending a lot of time on my smartphone and the screen of an iphone 5 is a little too small for me.
Now I like the disign of the XZ
Now the most important thing is XZ is the same in term of fluidity than the Iphone 5?? That's my main fear !

Someone says xperia z have hdr, ant htc one dont. That is fake.
Htc one have HDR, and even front camera have HDR.
Also this guys says sd card, that bunch of people talking what they dont even know what they thinking.
I got xperia s (32GB) i have 1500 songs various format, 3000pictures and 2-3 HD movies.
You know what? I got almost 8-10gb to waste. So thing with sd card as pros or cons tell your children not your self.
Sd card was problem before, when phones got low internal memory.
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Iphone 5s & 5c vs Xperia Z (Phonearena)

I just got curious and wanted to see a reasonably in depth look at specs to compare our lovely Z and the new all singing and dancing iphone 5s and it's baby brother the 5c.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...hone-5c,Apple-iPhone-5s/phones/7539,7983,7710
What I find interesting is that realistically the new IPhones are very much lagging behind the Z, and dare I say it here the S4, in terms of hardware and software. Don't get me wrong it's a nice looking set of phones Apple have just released but tech wise I don't see why Apple insist on keeping their specs lower than the competition and resting on their brand image to keep their customer base, I mean seriously, an 8mp camera is a joke when Sony have 13mp and the newer add on lense. Their latest software isn't any improvement over the latest version of the 5 itself. The finger scanner is the only real technological advances they made, and big woop... a scanner. (I had some experience playing around with these fingerprint scanners in a previous job and get one little cut on your thumb at your out of luck, most won't recognise you)
They have the financial and technological backing to blow all Android phones out the water.... BUT they never do.
What are people's views on this?
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iPhone 5S "S for Same"
iPhone 5C "C for Crap"
Xperia Z "Z for Zenith" which means Above all. Top notch premium phone.
thanks a lot Samsung for inventing plastic crap. you got a follower now and its name is same of a fruit.

@Entropy512, can you explain the benefits (if any), of the 5s having a 64-bit processor? Thanks

I'm not entropy but I'm willing to give out my opinion on this. A bigger faster processor is only more battery hogging. it could helps in gaming on mobile but after all, smart phones are phones and not computers. why do you need a 64bit processor for that ? in terms of beauty iPhone might take the lead but this innovative are going down the curve.
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Let's make a phone because we are loosing business to Android but they still release a phone which you cannot customise in anyway, unlike Android which is completely customisable not only the Z but even the HTC one SG4 ect.
mysticmetal said:
iPhone 5S "S for Same"
iPhone 5C "C for crap"
Xperia Z "Z for Zenith" which means Above all. Top notch premium phone.
thanks a lot Samsung for inventing plastic crap. you got a follower now and its name is same of a fruit.
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thanks man!

I came from an S2 with 8 MP camera to Z with the 13.1 MP.
I just don't care much about it. 8 MP or 13 or 20 - it's fine by me. I have a Nikon D80 for taking pictures. My phone is for taking snap-shots here and now. I don't buy a phone because of the camera if picture quality is equal to Wildfire S.
Am I the only one who does not care that much about camera?
LTE network for hi-speed mobile data, large screen for my large hands and storage capacity for the apps I need, SD-card option to move data (why can you not store ANY type of file you want to on an iPhone?) quick loading of webpages and apps because of a powerful CPU, quick and reliable location service and navigation, SSH access to manage Ubuntu servers, FTP clients and servers for filesharing directly from my SD card via wireless network in my home, the ability to mount the storage as a portable USB drive, and tons of other things - those are the things that really matters to me. My phone should be a powerful computer always connected to the internet when I'm out of the house - not a camera.
The small screen on iPhone is enough for me to not want it. I don't get why Apple does not release a 5" version.

Most of the comments i hear from customers about iphone and apple are:
1) Design
2) Inovation
3) Luxury feel
With this 2013 launch of 5S and 5C apple is going to a dangerous road.
- Design-wise continues to be good but people are geting way bored of too many phones that look-alike the previous generation of iphones.
- Inovation-wise it's clear by now that Apple is no longer on the forefront. People already identify Samsung as "leading".
- Luxury status - With the launch of a plastic-budget oriented phone Apple is starting to lose the relationship most people had between Iphone = expensive, luxury, i'm-so-rich feeling.
In fact, in my customer rating i would have to say that 9out of 10 iphone users absolutely hated the idea of the 5C "cheap iphone", most were so but-hurt of losing a little bit of the premium feel of the brand that mentioned that they won't upgrade to the 5S and in fact they'll try out Android afterwards.
A lot of people like glamour, luxury and the premium feel of having a highly famous device on their posession, if Apple starts losing that apeal i'm quite sure i'll sell more android and less IOs very, very soon.
Cheers

fareeed said:
@Entropy512, can you explain the benefits (if any), of the 5s having a 64-bit processor? Thanks
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http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance
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http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance
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Haha I guess that's what it always comes down to in the end the "more is better" bs

For me:
Design: Z, not much to say, some might prefer the clean 5S design though
Usability: Z, bigger screen, more res, more content, specially webpages.
Performance: Tie?
OS: Z, Android customizability anyone?
Battery life: Surely goes to the 5S, Apple devices usually excell at battery life
Camera: ??
Screen: 5S, I like color reproduction, white balance, and overall screen quality of the 5. Nothing to do the "viewing angles" people complain about, I care **** about it.

mysticmetal said:
iPhone 5S "S for Same"
iPhone 5C "C for Crap"
Xperia Z "Z for Zenith" which means Above all. Top notch premium phone.
thanks a lot Samsung for inventing plastic crap. you got a follower now and its name is same of a fruit.
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I love you
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if i ever want plastic i'll buy a Toy rather than an iPhone 5C CRAP or Samsung!

You can't compare specs between iOS and android. IOS will always run more smooth on lesser hardware, because it was made for it. The camera probably destroys the Z's. The old iphone 5 already did. Battery probably a tie, or a bit better on the 5s. Apple don't rely on heavy techspecs because they don't need to.. Wonder when reviewes get that fact?..
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Yes i can compare specs between them. we're now in a age that blessed us with Quad core, Real Octa core and Snapdragon 800 like blazing fast and battery efficient processors while apple still on their A6/A7 chip with dual core. by looking at this when we reach to 10 core processors, apple will then introduce its first quad core iPhone it seems. battery is way way more efficient on android than iPhone and i say this by personal experience and i do own an iPhone. Apple really should put in heavy specs if this being the scenario.
and i don't quite understand why everyone is saying iPhone 5C is a cheap iPhone?

DrKrFfXx said:
For me:
Design: Z, not much to say, some might prefer the clean 5S design though
Usability: Z, bigger screen, more res, more content, specially webpages.
Performance: Tie?
OS: Z, Android customizability anyone?
Battery life: Surely goes to the 5S, Apple devices usually excell at battery life
Camera: ??
Screen: 5S, I like color reproduction, white balance, and overall screen quality of the 5. Nothing to do the "viewing angles" people complain about, I care **** about it.
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Camera:It has dual led. And seeing how previous iPhones take good photos, I'm assuming this one will be better. And it has a slow mo camera where you can specifically choose which part of the video you want it to slow mo. That's a good feature.
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mysticmetal said:
and i don't quite understand why everyone is saying iPhone 5C is a cheap iPhone?
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Me neither it's expensive for a plastic IPhone.. Half the price is just the stupid name/brand called Apple
For the hardware etc they have put in the new iPhones price is too high. AGAIN! I'll never buy something like IPhone for.that price.
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One thing where XZ falls behind is dark shots with the camera...Too much grain & noise..Even the S3 takes better pics in the dark..and even iphone 5.

Oh they have busrt mode ahahahhah
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