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IPhone fun apps .. Why its not on Diamond ?

Hello..
While im in Youtube i see the videos of the IPhone apps .. and i c how fun it is by just taping the screen ..
and here's what i thought .. IPhone apps is really simple its just the idea .. which makes me wonder why its not on the "Diamond" .. it cant be done ??
Here's some examples :
iAno
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video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwlwKttYI8&feature=related
this app contain graphic photo of a piano buttons when u press it, it plays a tone .. is it hard to do it?!
you will tell me the diamond is not a multitouch screen.. its ok we dont want to play two tones at once .. we will tap every single button and play its tone..
just for fun it doesnt have to be the same as the diamond .. we only put what the Diamond can play or run ..
iGuitar
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=w40P3q3PIu8
iGuitar is a simple app as same as iAno .. just tap on the string and play .. we dont want to hold a string and play a different tone in the same string like a real guitar .. its enough i think with 6 strings and play with them .. for fun and shows ..
iDrummer
video:http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=coiaPu371AA&feature=related
dont have to say much about it .. its the same .. only its very simple .. touch and play .. no need to multitouch..
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and so on with many apps with the same subject .. please comment and tell me your opinions about what i wrote .. and explain to us whats can be done .. and what cant be done .. and why ..
waiting for this thread to explain everything...

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.

htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different

if it's so simple, do it yourself.
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere, and the reason they are not really developed for WM devices anymore compared to the iPhone is due to the vast amount of marketing the iPhone has.
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i would do it if i know how to do it.. i post this thread to get more info about what does the creative ppl think of it .. i just wanna know how do they think and creat and all of these things .. and i wanna know what is the nature of this work .. it comes step by step doesnt it ? so im a student here asking teachers..
there are plenty of apps similar to these outhere
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do u mean for diamond ?? cuz i didnt c any !
and thX for the answer but i dont c this as a reason to not devlope any good apps for the diamond.. waiting to know what others think

You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!

conmeo said:
htc sell for 1 million
iphone sell for 100million.
this is the different
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hello conmeo thx for answer,,
your answer is same as Addicteddddd i really dont understant in commerce and business but does normal developers have to stop making these apps too ?? if someone knows how to develope can he develope as himself ?? i can answer yes for this cuz we are in the biggest developers forum site .. so these apps r really hard to be done ? or what can we know about it ...

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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here here.
i second that.
but .... they do look nice.
i bought a touch pro, after having an spv m500, spv M700.
and after al this years the apps stil look the same (graphics)
but you don`t here me crying over it.
if you want iphone apps, get an iphone.
so please stop crying over the iphone apps.
no i do not hate an iphone, but i didn`t get the fuzz and the hype that followed over it.
and i certanly didn`t like the hype creating policy they applied.
meaning, the store`s had plenty in stock, but were only alowed to sell 3 or 5 iphones a day, for a few weeks.
in other words, creating a hype.

uniqueboy said:
You want iphone apps? simple get an iphone. Job done!
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i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??

badrey said:
i didnt say i want the iphone apps but they also look great ..so im asking CAN IT BE DONE ON DIAMOND OR NOT .. cuz it looks like an easy apps compared to all of these apps in this great forum ..
cant some1 give me a straight answer ??
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Just look at the hardware specs, of course it could be done but what we are saying is the market for such gimmicks is not wm it is apple. I got my phone for it's gps, it's vga screen it's gpu and cpu, not for a load of useless gimmick software that has no practical value. Basically anyone who wants to make such software has a much bigger commercial market with the iphone. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 adds for the diamond in magazines and that is it. The iphone is a nice object I'll admit but it is driven purely by the $ and not by a community of geeky nerds who love to tinker (myself excluded of course), software given to thousands or bought by millions. It is just fodder for the masses!
My last words on the subject, I'm sick and tired of this kind of crap thread, I recommend that no one else bother to post here, it has all been said a thousand times.

Out with the bores!
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Hear, Here......! Well said Old Chap.....
I think Badrey's inititial question was quite inocent and he was looking for a "gentle" debate - not an on-slaught..... lol
I'm a Die Hard win-mob user and will probably still be in many years to come... I still have that stock of Beta-Max video's too ready for when the market picks up... but.....
The iPhone does have some amazing "toys" in its app collection...... I want some of those too!
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I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree

doinbox said:
I want them too. why don't we have a poll to see just how many people agree
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i want them too

simcarloc said:
Oh give badrey a break! Some of you people are so deluded, it's hysterical. The iphone has some amazing apps and some of the key things it has that most the Diamond apps don't are style, sheer usability and a real sense of fun. Seriously, the Diamond apps can sometimes feel clunky and overly practical, however useful and well constructed they may be.
The saddest thing about all this bitterness towards the iphone and people who dare to mention the name is that there seem to be more and more posts/apps concerning Iphone themes, icons and slide to answer apps than ever before. So you all can't hate the iphone has much as you profess - stop with this childish pretense, it's sad!
Don't get me wrong, I love my Diamond, but I wish some of the extremely talented developers on here would raise the bar by utilising the Diamond's excellent screen and GPU for some good old fashioned colour filled fun. If it means using other successful phones as inspiration, so be it.
Whilst i'm getting things off my chest, to those of you with naked/ bikini clad girl wallpapers - nothing yells 'i'm a strange nerdy virgin' louder to people, especially women! Trust me, my gf heavily agrees and has often laughed at some of themes i've shown her on here, so sort it out. LOL!
Anyway, please take my post with a pinch of salt gentlemen.
S.
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Oh, you are reading my mind, are you? Exactly what I been thinking! How do you do it?.... Scary!

people develope to get some money
with diamond you cant get much money when you develope something.
only few develope do for fun. like some in here. but this is all.
1 develope for diamond = 1million develope for iphone.
you can see the different. money
your question is very childish

Yes but i think you'll find that most Windows mobile phones that get released from now on will have the same G-sensor + touchscrenn technology so the apps/games wont just be for the Diamond they will be for all ppc.So how many people would be buying apps/games then.
If you catch my drift.

Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.

Draiko said:
Keep in mind that while the diamond was only released 3 months ago, the iPhone has been out and played around with for almost 2 years. Most of those iPhone Apps started out as apps for the Jailbroken iPhone. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be the great equalizer.
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You said it man.
The Diamond is very new compared to the fruitphone.

PPCiano
This is supposed to be our equivalent of the iPhone's iAno application:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392268
I think one of our issues is the lack of muti-touch, so such applications are impossible. (please don't tell me about a multi-touch keypad, I know - but it's not 'true' multi-touch, just divided into two separate capacitive sensing sections.)
The main issue is being stuck with Windows Mobile as an OS. The .net development platform is fine and the hardware may be great too. But as an OS, WM is sucky and doesn't allocate it's resources in the correct places.
Just look at the consistant responsiveness of the iPhone. In fact you don't need to get an iPhone to see this. The iPod touch is a fabulous piece of kit.
Personally, I think once Google's Android has proven itself and made it's way onto a few more devices than the G1 it will be another great platform for developers and users - regardless of whether those users continue to support the iPhone or not. Likewise Symbian may yet prove a worthy force in the PDA/smartphone market once it becomes touchscreen with series 60v5.
For those nay-sayers about the iPhone, I truly believe they just haven't had a real good play around with one recently. Once you have seriously tried it out, lived with one for a few hours, experience the App-Store, iTunes integration, Media Player, Huge screen, Safari Browser, Pinch to zoom, Multi-Touch, Google Maps, BBC iPlayer, etc it really does make one wonder how Windows Mob continues to sell ANY units!... Sure they have their own shortcomings but WM6.1 has many, many more.
Best regards,
Adam R. Hirshfield
T-Mobile (UK) Ltd.
Core Networks
HTC Diamond (MDAc IV) user w/Dutty's rom!

Multi touch can enable some fun features, but other than being able to turn your phone into an instrument and zooming in and out, multitouch is essentially useless.

is it just me or Windows 7 looks ugly

I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?

mmmalas said:
I am not sure whats all the fuss about.
reason I moved from iphone to wm is because of multitasking, running skype \ messenger and other apps in the background.
I am not a big fan of zune interface. but to be honest I didnt use it.
can some one explain why he sees win7 as a good thing?
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Couple of things:
• Still a prototype (room for lots of change)
• supposed to be really fast
• better integration
• more finger friendly
• however agreed, at this stage, it's quite plain but very
Some more info. <<HERE>>.

i dont like it at all
i think MS is thinking way too much social network capabilities. something we already have currently for which i personally hardly ever use. also the layout doesnt look straight forward and looks confusing or i just didn't seem to pay attention to it. i wont upgrade if that is how it gonna look like.

Just an FYI, It's Windows Phone 7 Series (WP7S) not Windows 7.
dwizzy130

Why do people have to moan so much? No-one has even tried the f*cking OS yet and they're already moaning about it. I suppose these people are all running Windows 1.0 and driving around in Austin Ambassadors.
There's nothing wrong with Microsoft integrating social network as this is the way of things: people are finding new ways to communicate all the time and phone OS's are adapting to this; you don't HAVE to use these facilities and they won't be obtrusive if you don't. You also have the option of sticking with Windows mobile as Microsoft will continue to supply it as they supply XP to netbook manufacturers.
Stop moaning about it: would you rather Microsoft just patched up the current Windows Mobile some more so that it finally dies the death that it is currently heading towards?? The new OS means better hardware support, meaning greater performance and speed. Don't like it? Get an iPhone, Android phone or stick with Windows Mobile 6...
The great thing is that now there is so much CHOICE. There is no point whingeing because the OS doesn't conform with your exacting standards, Microsoft I'm sure have worked hard to please as many people as possible as obviously this is a solid business model to conform to. If you don't like it, don't buy it....but at least give it a chance.
I was scornful of Windows 7 until I tried it.

It's really ugly, especially the screen with square and rectangle boxes of sms/call/mail info

Really?
I think it looks really good. If it has the responsiveness of my Zune HD then I think MS may have a real winner here.

it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...

bel_z_bub said:
it's just the backbone.. it will probably just have (a new version) of sense running on top of it...
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The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.

lordcanti86 said:
The bigger question at this point is...does WinPhone 7 really need HTC Sense running on top of it? I could understand running on top of 6.5 (very easy to replicate the existing functionality for a much better looking UI) but replicating the hubs and functionality in 7 would be a much harder job.
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I hope not, I hate the double functionality it has now.. and I think it looks quit good already (wm7).. but maybe a little simple for our large screen hd2.. which I also find quit useless at the moment.. the home screen in Sense is just a big version of a small resolution screen phone.. why not use that space..? in this case finger friendly is just a poor excuse for hasty release in my opinion.. luckely we have developers here who finish htc's job (co0kie's home tabs is a good example, it makes your phone feel like what htc promises in their commercials but doesn't deliver)
let's face it, the default windows mobile 6.5 home screen (the scrolling finger friendly one, don't know the name) is not bad at all.. it just looks ugly on our big screen..

not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!

c4Lvin said:
not moaning but just saying as how i feel about it as the subject pertains. if u dont like how i feel about it maybe you should get the F**K out of this thread if you cant handle it. why are you so pissed off about such an opinion from others. are you the developer of it or something that offended you? i would consider trying it out once it is close to the release date and see what it really looks like then. ciao!
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The point is that you haven't tried it yet. Do you criticise movies based on their trailers?
It's impossible to know for sure whether you're going to like an OS just by basing your opinion on a few pictures and videos. Besides which who really thinks the stock Windows Mobile 6 is a gorgeous user-friendly masterpiece; it's only with the addition of Sense that the experience is improved to the point of desirability. Microsoft haven't holistically written off Windows Mobile 6 so fans can still stick with it for the foreseeable life of their devices and expect updates to Sense, SPB Mobile Shell and Opera.
The point is that now there is greater choice, which can only be a good thing. I'm not a developer and I have no affiliations which might bias my opinion here, but I have made the mistake of writing off things before ive tried them in the past and just think people shouldn't be so keen to spit their dummies out when things don't look exactly how they'd expect them to. Given the limited knowledge we have of WP7's hands-on experience I think this poll might be a little premature.

Well, we haven't really seen much
In fact we have not seen much more than a proof of concept. (Although I'm quite sure it is more than that). I, for one, will hold off judgment until I learn more about the functionality and possibilities for customizations. As shown it does not meet my personal needs for my "Home Screen". IF, as I have read, MS is locking down the UI then the rest better be pretty damn fantastic for me to put up with the UI I saw. But if we can change it around to fit our needs then I will consider it.
As for now, although speculation is fun, I feel it's just too early to make any determination based on the little we know. Next month will give us more info. After that it will be a case of "wait and see" what the devs come up with once they get their hands on the OS etc. I keep thinking about that old adage "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

I wouldn't put too much criticism on the layout as I do about the functionality. People needs to realize that the layout is not set in stones and i'd be hard pressed if MS would keep the blue block as their UI. As long as it is fast, smooth, and finger-friendly, skinning it would be a piece of cake. Give it some time until close to release time and we'll see a more polish product that will appeal to everybody.

i completely agree..
how come people always criticizing something that has not been even tested in real life?
it's always "oooh it's ugly and i still like the current one or the older one", but yet after a while, we then accept the fact that it is actually better and fit our needs.
i guess thats why there are old people that will very likely to use an old typewriter Compare with the more civilized older ones who get the use and capabilities of computers. So much critics that now, they dont even know how to use it.

Stop Moaning guys,
i say this is the best WM OS those lazy bustard have come out with and compete against the fruit factory.
i like it.... thought it looks awful now, but we have gfreek and other xda superheroes to tweak and style and custom and theme and overclock and whatever you can think of...
cant wait for and unofficial release....
from Singapore
by the way, Singapore just open its first casino...

as stated earlier, if the "book cover" looks better , you got my vote. other than that, NOTHING else so far about wp7s lures me into upgrading for what i have now. i am talking about what we've been shown. even though i use it now based on your judgement, i wont enjoy it cos it is simply not pretty. sorry i cant do an ugly person even if she functions well.

I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.

optiknerv said:
I am holding off to 6.5.1 + ROMs because of cosmetic reasons really. I like the large finger friendly buttons but the fact that the start button is on the left making it look unsymmetrical to me is f-ugly. In my opinion it should be in the middle. Hope this doesn't turn out to be the case for Win phone but from the images i have seen it doesn't look too bad. Im sure it will be skinable to some extent and i think it is a step in the right direction. Win mobile can be complicated and ugly if your used to more "main stream" handsets. As long as it maintains its customisable back bone in a pretty new wrapper i welcome this new os.
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Just wait until we get a ROM dump from the HTC HD Mini. That is running an unseen build of 6.5.X that got rid of the start menu icon on the taskbars and has symmetrical softkeys.
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dwizzy130

it actually does look quite hideous, why would anyone want to show off that, or "leak" it,
i mean what the heck?? MAKE A GOD DAMN TOUCH INNOVATED INTERFACE YOU BUNCH OF DIM WITS

Well time to for me to move on , HD2 is going iphone 4 is coming heres why...

Well i have had the hd2 for 6 months which before that i had an iphone 3gs. I'm sorry, even though you can pretty do anything you like with the hd2 windows mobile and techinically it is a superior phone and not restricted to the apples way of life, the iphone is a smoother phone, ok, the screen is smaller but the keyboard is brilliant, you would of thought a bigger screen on the HD2 the keyboard would be better!! and now iphone has 225,000 apps vs a few thousand on WM.
I have used my hd2 withcooked roms, messed around with radios, emulators..etc..but again the iphone seems to have the edge...
Thank xda developers for all you have given...i bid fair well. You never know one day i may be back if Windows 7 is decent no doubt you will be casting your eyes over that and customising it to the extreme if Microsoft will allow it that is!

first to reply in a flame thread! teehee

well i'm just saying tanks to chiefs etc for all they have given..and saying goodbye..and the reasoning behind it..

Theguru1 said:
well i'm just saying tanks to chiefs etc for all they have given..and saying goodbye..and the reasoning behind it..
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Not to be rude, but I don't think you have posted enough for anyone to actually miss you. This just smacks of another iPhone Vs. HTC flame thread.

Hihi ! Enjoy Your crap ............. another poster less, 0,1% easier now to follow up all threads per day .......... Tx for leaving

Kalavere said:
Not to be rude, but I don't think you have posted enough for anyone to actually miss you. This just smacks of another iPhone Vs. HTC flame thread.
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yes that was rude....

Flamebaiting much?
Narcissistic much?
You think too highly of yourself to even consider the notion that any of us gives a flying hoot whether you're here or not. If you like things that work out of the box, go ahead and get Apple, they are certainly good for devices like that.
But do not make ****ty-threads trying to sound sincere and genuine when all you're doing is trying to start another "I'm sorry folks, Apple is just better than WM regardless of what you tell me" thread before you leave.
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Well i have had the hd2 for 6 months which before that i had an iphone 3gs. I'm sorry, even though you can pretty do anything you like with the hd2 windows mobile and techinically it is a superior phone and not restricted to the apples way of life, the iphone is a smoother phone, ok, the screen is smaller but the keyboard is brilliant, you would of thought a bigger screen on the HD2 the keyboard would be better!! and now iphone has 225,000 apps vs a few thousand on WM.
I have used my hd2 withcooked roms, messed around with radios, emulators..etc..but again the iphone seems to have the edge...
Thank xda developers for all you have given...i bid fair well. You never know one day i may be back if Windows 7 is decent no doubt you will be casting your eyes over that and customising it to the extreme if Microsoft will allow it that is!
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oh well, never mind....bye.

lol... if HTC can't get things right with the HD2 what are we supposed to do pray that one day they will? yeah right ?? with the hd3 coming along do you think they give a toss? not likely...552 pages all with mostly issues on the xda hd2 section really gives a thumbs up to the phone doesn't it?? come on guys...jesus...it say much does it? like alot of people in here it looks like a beutiful phone, the features are outstanding but the faults overcloud the phone...and thats why we have to move on...
flame this flame that...who cares..

Theguru1 said:
lol... if HTC can't get things right with the HD2 what are we supposed to do pray that one day they will? yeah right ?? with the hd3 coming along do you think they give a toss? not likely...552 pages all with mostly issues on the xda hd2 section really gives a thumbs up to the phone doesn't it?? come on guys...jesus...it say much does it? like alot of people in here it looks like a beutiful phone, the features are outstanding but the faults overcloud the phone...and thats why we have to move on...
flame this flame that...who cares..
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Thank you for proving my point, troll.
Now feel free to leave and never come back. I'm pretty certain at this point, people would prefer that you did not come back as well because you're wasting up XDA's bandwidth and HDD space with your posts.

Can I have your phone?
Shut the door on your way out won't you?

Theguru1 said:
lol... if HTC can't get things right with the HD2 what are we supposed to do pray that one day they will? yeah right ?? with the hd3 coming along do you think they give a toss? not likely...552 pages all with mostly issues on the xda hd2 section really gives a thumbs up to the phone doesn't it?? come on guys...jesus...it say much does it? like alot of people in here it looks like a beutiful phone, the features are outstanding but the faults overcloud the phone...and thats why we have to move on...
flame this flame that...who cares..
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sniper-wolf said:
Can I have your phone?
Shut the door on your way out won't you?
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+1. Don't let the door hit you in your fat a** on your way out, Theguru1.
InB4 lock.

lol again...you all proving my point...

Why on earth do some of you lot need to be rude?
He has his reasons. Whether it was to troll or not, dont be so rude! It really isnt a good impression of yourselves and also makes XDA look bad.
To OP.
Dont worry mate, it was nice that you thought you would give WinMo a try. But u wernt that impressed. WinMo isnt for all, some will love it some wont. It does take time to get used to it.Its good to know that u appriciated the hard work from devs and cookes........ Good luck with Apple and who knows, maybe one day you might make another move back to WinMo.
Flame away guys..........
(@ me that is)

Theguru1 said:
lol again...you all proving my point...
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Sorry, just couldn't resist.
All phones have their flaws, even your precious iPhone. Different phones are better for different people. For the "power user" the HD2 is a very excellent phone, even with its flaws. Personally, I've tried the iPhone OS, and I can't stand the limitations. It's a personal thing, so don't force your personal opinions down our throats and expect us to pat you on the back for it.

Tygrtail said:
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
All phones have their flaws, even your precious iPhone. Different phones are better for different people. For the "power user" the HD2 is a very excellent phone, even with its flaws. Personally, I've tried the iPhone OS, and I can't stand the limitations. It's a personal thing, so don't force your personal opinions down our throats and expect us to pat you on the back for it.
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Hmmm.....seems like the "sheep factor" still exists!

Νο reason to blame u bs u sell ur hd2 n buy an iphone4, life change so why we stay stable
Do what u want, if u c whats going on on the planet at the moment(wars, unemployment, economical crisis etc) phones are just so litle... to make us worry..
have fun whatever u do..
just dont understand why every day one new thread pops up , like new iphone hd2 killer or whatever..
have fun though !

rumz82 said:
Hmmm.....seems like the "sheep factor" still exists!
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I form my own opinions based on personal experience and research.

@ Tygrtail.........ok.........

I have an HD2 incoming, but the OP's got a point, whether it needs to be posted every time a user decides to 'leave' the HD2, or not. Say what you will about the iPhone and its somewhat limited feature-set compared to a heavily-customized WM device, the features that are there work and the work well. I cringe at the thought of fighting with the HD2 each day, but it's something I'm willing to put up with. But you cannot deny the large number of issues the device faces, issues that shouldn't exist in a high-end smartphone:
SMS lag
Audio lag
Freezing, rebooting
Touchscreen inaccuracies, high sensitivity, jitter
No 720p support
Lock-screen glitch (can't slide to unlock)
Tiny MMS issue
The list goes on. The issues are a combo of WinMo and HTC. Blame it on whomever you wish, but the end result is a less than stellar experience for many.
Yeah, you can interpret the OP's post as something akin to flamebait, but what I see are people with some serious defensiveness for their phones. Perhaps I'll join you when I get my HD2, but for now, I think I'm a fairly impartial outsider.

just read this

http://www.pcworld.com/article/204936/samsung_fascinate_crashes_verizons_droid_party.html?tk=hp_new
Unfortunately, not all is peachy when wireless carriers and handset makers start messing with the stock Android experience. Reviews of the Fascinate by Slashgear and Engadget note that the phone uses Bing as its default search engine, not Google - probably more fallout from the cozy Bing-Verizon relationship. That wouldn't be so egregious if you could switch search widgets at will, but alas, the only way to remove Bing is by hacking the phone.
Verizon also swapped in its own Navigator app for Google's free navigation as the default for providing directions, but at least this can be changed in the phone's settings.

mdram-omnia said:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/204936/samsung_fascinate_crashes_verizons_droid_party.html?tk=hp_new
Unfortunately, not all is peachy when wireless carriers and handset makers start messing with the stock Android experience. Reviews of the Fascinate by Slashgear and Engadget note that the phone uses Bing as its default search engine, not Google - probably more fallout from the cozy Bing-Verizon relationship. That wouldn't be so egregious if you could switch search widgets at will, but alas, the only way to remove Bing is by hacking the phone.
Verizon also swapped in its own Navigator app for Google's free navigation as the default for providing directions, but at least this can be changed in the phone's settings.
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True...however i'm not worried. It has a better cpu/gpu/screen than any other android device on vzw right now. I will be rooting and using vanilla and loving it.

emplox said:
True...however i'm not worried. It has a better cpu/gpu/screen than any other android device on vzw right now. I will be rooting and using vanilla and loving it.
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qft
+1 for me as well.
If you're on XDA complaining about Bing and all the other garbage that comes on the phone, you're preaching to the wrong people.

mackeydesigns said:
qft
+1 for me as well.
If you're on XDA complaining about Bing and all the other garbage that comes on the phone, you're preaching to the wrong people.
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word, hahahahaha

Ok, I've been wanting a Galaxy S variant for a long time now and of the versions available in the US I like the Fascinate the most (I am CERTAINLY wating for confrimation the GPS falw is fixable though before buying). However, this Bing **** is just too much. I don't want to have to root a phone that should aready be MINE, but it's looking like I will have no choice here. Problem is....I'm a super noob and have never rooted any phone ever and don't want to brick it.
So, I need to start reading. Can someone point me to what you think is a really good comprehensive overview of the methods and implications (warranty?, future updates?, reversion to stock os if rom is modded? etc. etc. etc.) involved in rooting a phone. The more exhaustive, detailed and authoritative the source, the better. Thx guise.

bugmenot5 said:
Ok, I've been wanting a Galaxy S variant for a long time now and of the versions available in the US I like the Fascinate the most (I am CERTAINLY wating for confrimation the GPS falw is fixable though before buying). However, this Bing **** is just too much. I don't want to have to root a phone that should aready be MINE, but it's looking like I will have no choice here. Problem is....I'm a super noob and have never rooted any phone ever and don't want to brick it.
So, I need to start reading. Can someone point me to what you think is a really good comprehensive overview of the methods and implications (warranty?, future updates?, reversion to stock os if rom is modded? etc. etc. etc.) involved in rooting a phone. The more exhaustive, detailed and authoritative the source, the better. Thx guise.
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The current Galaxy S variants have a one click root application. You download it, run it, your phone is now rooted. Rooting it simply opens it to do whatever the hell you want. The norm is to find a stripped ROM (also known as vanilla aka plain) and run the phone at its maximum speeds with no frills or fancy eye candy widgets.
The other spectrum is, to root the phone and do what you want, paint the walls pink, add the latest moby song as your ring tones, install custom ROM's, it's up to you.
I'm not the least bit worried about Bing, even if google is locked out of the stock phone, it probably won't be very hard to fix. It's hard to deny the fact that outside of that issue, this is Verizon's best phone (obviously up for argument, but the screen, come on).

mackeydesigns said:
qft
+1 for me as well.
If you're on XDA complaining about Bing and all the other garbage that comes on the phone, you're preaching to the wrong people.
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hahaha +1. Also sig worthy.

Actually the screen is the only think keeping me from this phone. I got a chance to play with one for awhile last night and compare it w/ my D2. The quality of text on the new SAMOLED display is not good. The best way to describe it is an old dot matrix printer. My eyes were actually fatigued from trying to focus and refocus on blurry text. The D2 on the other hand was quite sharp and very easy on the eyes.
Just something to be mindful of if you're one w/ sensitive eyes or don't like fuzzy text. Other than that, it feels very solid in the hand. And I experienced zero lag at any time. Even w/ touchwiz/bing, it made my D2 look like a go-bot.

Jodiuh said:
Actually the screen is the only think keeping me from this phone. I got a chance to play with one for awhile last night and compare it w/ my D2. The quality of text on the new SAMOLED display is not good. The best way to describe it is an old dot matrix printer. My eyes were actually fatigued from trying to focus and refocus on blurry text. The D2 on the other hand was quite sharp and very easy on the eyes.
Just something to be mindful of if you're one w/ sensitive eyes or don't like fuzzy text. Other than that, it feels very solid in the hand. And I experienced zero lag at any time. Even w/ touchwiz/bing, it made my D2 look like a go-bot.
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What?
I have a droid 2, been using it for about 3 weeks. Have you actually seen an AMOLED screen before side by side next to the droid 2? Text is 1000000 times superior on the AMOLED. Images and movies even more. It even has a higher resolution even thought the AMOLED doesn't need higher res.
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Yes, I've seen one. Yes, I've put the D2 side by side w/ my Zune HD, the Captivate, Vibrant, Epic, and Fascinate. Text on the (S)AMOLED's will never be as sharp as long as the current pentile matrix is being used. It's actually not even 800x400, but 653x392 because each pixel contains only 2 subpixels alternating b,g r,g vs a typical LCD w/ r,g,b r,g,b.
It's fast, responsive, and has inky blacks, but it doesn't do white, proper color, or sharp text. Side by side, text on the D2 IS sharper than any of the Galaxies.
It works for my Zune HD because I'm only watching movies or scrolling around tracks...in black menus. There's no reading going on there. For a phone you're going to do a lot of reading on, it's just not suitable.
IMO, the iPhone 4's display is the perfect match for a phone. It's very bright and extremely clear...like reading paper...from a laser, not a dot matrix like the Galaxy. It's just too small IMO.

I like my droid 2, but couldn't disagree more. The galaxy S is king of the screen quality and by a wide margin.
I think this droid2 has a good screen, but n o different than the EVO in my opinion.
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From ZD Net ...http://www.zdnet.com/reviews/produc...scinate-verizon-wireless/34129372?tag=nl.e550.
Is it possible to put google navigator on this phone , or does one need to root . Don't want to pay $9.95/month for navigation

Yeah, this is getting out of hand. Check Phil's videos out over @ androidcentral. Some pretty nasty stuff. Even though you can get the google search widget, it reroutes through bing! Hitting the little magnifying glass pulls up bing, typing in the url box pulls up bing. And apparently gnav doesn't work...grain of salt there.

Yes, u can put google maps on there as i installed it yesterday when i played with it at the store, GMapps also comes with navigation, we are good guys
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You what i noticed on this forum (fascinate)? A lot of people ready to bash the hell out of it. I see good things in all phones. Yes the droids have bootloader locks, but they have been bypassed. Yes Samsung has GPS issues, but its probably software since they all use the same hardware. Sure the HTC phones are slow, but HTC has been supporting their phones the best.
In XDA forums, which i have been a part of since 2004, a solution to your problems will always be found. To attempt to create panic here is pointless let alone try and do it before the product is even out.

Haha, thanks for the quick reality check. You know, I did have an incredible for a short time and wnet back through some older forum posts only ti find my reason for return did not have anything to do with the text being blurry. I wonder if I could just get used to that, and the overblown colors? I must admit, im very tempted to swap my D2 with the fascinate today. I would be stuck with it tho.

Steve Jobs disrespecting Android.

So I was looking at the iPad 2 conference on my Engadget app, and at 10:10am he mentioned that Honeycomb only has 100 apps compared to the iPad apps. And before that talked about the Galaxy S tabs. Check it out
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...les-ipad-2-event/&category=classic&postPage=1
Ps...why is he back...
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Is it 'disrespect' or just 'fact?'
I mean, you'd expect iPod to have a larger ecosystem -- right now.
I'm not an Android nor Apple fan boy; both entities are contributing to the forward movement of technology, which can only benefit us in the long run. Let's not get caught up on his words. In fact, they may stir the Android community to develop more and better apps for Android tablets to come.

Let's face it: No tablet is ever going to come close to the iPad or Apple, because big corps. just don't get it.

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Let's face it: No tablet is ever going to come close to the iPad or Apple, because big corps. just don't get it.
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Apple is not a big corp?!

I was talking about the other big corps trying to make tablets. Not saying apple gets everything right, they don't, but they understand the majority and have a pretty good business model.
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Ruki_Uki said:
So I was looking at the iPad 2 conference on my Engadget app, and at 10:10am he mentioned that Honeycomb only has 100 apps compared to the iPad apps. And before that talked about the Galaxy S tabs. Check it out
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...les-ipad-2-event/&category=classic&postPage=1
Ps...why is he back...
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I've owned a iPhone 3G then moved to the EVO because android was more open and it supported flash.
I was going to attempt to make a reasonable post on how moronic it sounds to try and downplay the impact the iPad2 will have.
But I rather just say this: Nothing will come close to beating the iPad2 in terms of an market ecosystem/product design/buzz/fanboyism/price point within a reasonable competitive time frame.
The Xoom is more expensive and does not even currently support flash. One of the sharpest points Android has against iOS. HTC forth coming tablet is basically an EVO with a larger screen.
And lets not forget the iOS is way more flexible once you jailbroke it, which in itself is not terribly hard to do compared to when the first iPhone's came out.
I'm going to purchase a tablet this year, and had my heart set on an android tablet. The iPad2 made that choice a lot harder. HC still has a way to go begin to penetrate that tablet space.

IPad 2 is sexy. I love honeycomb but, android needs to work with the device manufacturers closer to be able to match apples software/hardware synergy. Everything the iPad2 does has been crafted so beautifully while something like the xoom still don't compare. Even the original iPad looks better and move smoother than the xoom. Based on the video on Engadget the iPad2 takes that to another level. **** the iPad2 cover is also amazing. Don't get me wrong my phone will most likely will always be an Android because of widgets but I think I want an iPad2.

if apple knew anything about what their customers wanted they'd of included flash on their devices by now...
How in the hell can they still not have flash on the ipad 2? where is the logic in that? Tablets are supposed to be replacements for netbooks/laptops, you would think the most basic thing to have would be flash....

I think the flash (non)support is adobe's choosing. Some battle between Apple and Adobe.

Regardless on your feelings for Steve Jobs and Apple, If it weren't for Steve Jobs, the Evo probably wouldn't even exist. Neither would Android, at least not in their current forms.
The iPhone is what brought about this cellular "reniassance". Try to remember the smartphone scene before the iPhone. It was pretty much non existant unless you it was your hobby, or you needed one for work. And remember the choices? The old Palm OS, Blackberrys, which did absolutely nothing but messaging, and Windows Mobile. Palm OS and Windows Mobile were little more than PDA's with celluar radios. Apple put the smartphone in the eyes and hands of the average person.
Of course he's going to trash talk Android, it's finally a legit competitor to iOS. WebOS, while a nice OS, has absolute trash for hardware. WindowsPhone7 will stay around I think, it has promise, but it launched on last years hardware missing features from last years smartphones, so it has some catching up to do. Blackberry might be ok if the new QNX based platform comes out, but QNX was developed for terminals and what not, and not meant to rely on a battery, so battery life was not a concern.
Anyway you look at it, it's a good time if you like smartphones, and you have Apple to thank for it.

dbonbass said:
I think the flash (non)support is adobe's choosing. Some battle between Apple and Adobe.
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Nope. Apple won't allow third party dev platforms on their devices. Adobe even made it so you could build a Flash application and then compile for iOS or whatever so Apple made it against the TOS to even develop on any other platform.
The thing is, so many iOS apps are fancy frontends for websites or things you can do in Flash/Air. If you could run Flash apps in a browser or Flash player app, you immediately have access to a ton of the things iOS apps can do...but without Apple getting their cut of every sale. It undermines their control over a closed ecosystem which has kept their devices both relatively stable and incredibly lucrative.
Adobe has been pissed at Apple ever since they screwed them over when they dropped Carbon64 for Cocoa, wasting years of Adobe development for OSX. Since Windows was a riper market and more open for developers, they started to put a lot more effort into their Windows ports. Jobs got pissed about that and has held a grudge since. Between that and the desire for complete control, they have a pretty uneasy relationship with Adobe.

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The iPhone is what brought about this cellular "reniassance". Try to remember the smartphone scene before the iPhone. It was pretty much non existant unless you it was your hobby, or you needed one for work. And remember the choices? The old Palm OS, Blackberrys, which did absolutely nothing but messaging, and Windows Mobile. Palm OS and Windows Mobile were little more than PDA's with celluar radios. Apple put the smartphone in the eyes and hands of the average person.
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There were some pretty good smart phones before the iPhone. I had Treos and Pocket PCs and they had GPS, copy/paste, 3rd party apps, touch screens, etc. long before the iPhone existed. Even when the iPhone came out it didn't have most of the features of a smart phone.
What it *did* have was a bigger/more responsive screen and a great mobile browser. That was the contribution of the iPhone. It was a great contribution and one I totally appreciate but it was an evolution, not a revolution. The other big contribution was putting the Apple marketing machine behind it. Apple doesn't screw around when it comes to marketing whereas Palm and Microsoft and RIM never seemed interested in marketing direct to consumer instead of to business. Aside from the Palm Centro, you wouldn't really see ads for these things so people kept buying RAZRs and such for the most part.
The whole market has been evolving long before the iPhone. They didn't start it but rather let others break ground as they usually do, and then once a lot of the roadblocks were out of the way, they put out a device that was missing a lot of common smart phone features but which was very attractive to a wide market which wasn't being addressed and was not aware of what they were missing.
I'm glad this happened because it helped to popularize big screens and good mobile browsers. Other platforms and devices likewise influenced Apple to add things like GPS, copy/paste, third party apps, multitasking, changeable wallpapers, etc.
It's win-win for us since we have better options to choose from.

People keep harping on flash but skyfire works on IOS and shows flash just fine. I mean its been out since like last November.

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IPad 2 is sexy. I love honeycomb but, android needs to work with the device manufacturers closer to be able to match apples software/hardware synergy. Everything the iPad2 does has been crafted so beautifully while something like the xoom still don't compare. Even the original iPad looks better and move smoother than the xoom. Based on the video on Engadget the iPad2 takes that to another level. **** the iPad2 cover is also amazing. Don't get me wrong my phone will most likely will always be an Android because of widgets but I think I want an iPad2.
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Except the fact remains is iOS sucks horribly at multi-tasking.

LOL I read the title of this thread and thought of the first Fast and Furious movie where the guy says SWAT came into his house and disrespected his family.

splmonster said:
Except the fact remains is iOS sucks horribly at multi-tasking.
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Explain. Why would I want a calculator app running in the background taking up memory? Or having rouge apps cause wake lock problems? iOS has background processing for things that make sense, push notifications for updates, and save states for everything else. That frees up memory, CPU time, and battery life.
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I will be the first one to say I hate Steve jobs out of all my friends. Ipad 2 just gave every tablet a run for its money even the ones that aren't out yet that will launch thus year. Flash doesn't really mean crap 1 its still slow on the evos browser and html 5 will eventually be that standard I believe. I finally bought my first macbook pro this year 2 weeks ago. I have always been a windows user and could have purchased a windows comp with better specs than my macbook pro for half the price. Wanna know why I hate steve jobs/apple do much; because APPLE has the market by the balls. I don't know how else to explain it but they do.
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It is what it is... I don't get caught up in the wars between smartphone/tablet makers. I just let them battle it out because in the end.. competition is good for the consumer.
Like it or not, Apple puts out quality products... can't deny that. It's easier for them to perfect what they have because they use their own hardware/software where as android is on a lot of different hardware.
A lot of these so called "mid-range" android phones are garbage and really gives them a bad name. I'll call out the samsung acclaim... I know 3 people with that phone and it is their first android phone..and it is total junk. Between all 3 of them they random reboots, horrible battery, unresponsive screens, lag and hang ups out the rear.
I'm all for making yourself available.. but when you put products like that out that people are foced to keep for the duration of their contract, then you'll lose customers. The 3 people I know are definitely going iphone next.
I think that is just one of the ways Apple keeps their place among the top of the line.. by not putting their software on crap hardware that ultimately results in a bad rep for your product.

Just remember. Good marketing beats a good product all day long.
At the end of the day, this is just another rerun of 1984. Apple doesn't want to license their hardware nor software. Along comes IBM (In this case Android) and the clones which eventually let way to Windows which can be run on any IBM compatible (Android devices). Sound familiar?