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Canadian Help with T9193

Need to know from my fellow Canucks (winnipeg) if this phone is worth $800. I'm on Rogers and would like to know the pros and cons you've all experienced. Been reading LOTS. But just wondering if Rogers or Telus customers have the sms problems(lag, freezing, ect.) or any other annoying bug. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
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As far as I know, Telus and Bell customers won't be able to use the HD2 in central Canada due to the fact their 3G+ networks aren't yet present there -- only in the east and the west.
As a Telus customer owning a T9193 and living in the west, I can say that the phone is superlative. I've had some niggles since getting the phone in January, but these were mostly minor. The two biggest ones were:
- Rotation not working (fixed, it was because the flashlight app (which doesn't support landscape) was running in the background)
- Phone dialer keypad sometimes disappearing (setting phone app to rotate, rotating and then unrotating fixes this)
- Outlook Mobile sometimes freezes when sending SMSes, have to open Task Manager and kill it (since flashing latest EnergyROM I haven't experienced this)
Currently I have the phone in what I would consider the perfect configuration. I'm running the latest EnergyROM (which is absolutely stellar...I love the fact that default HTC messaging is removed and that the Outlook Mobile-based replacement has MMS support) and I can honestly say that I have no complaints...it's rock solid -- finally 100% happy with my phone.
As for networks, I can confirm the phone working on all 3. I've used my supervisor's Roger's SIM to test Roger's, used my roommate's Bell SIM to test Bell, and my own SIM and extensive use to test Telus.
Like I said, in central Canada I don't think the HD2 (being solely GSM and UMTS) will work on Bell or Telus (since they're just CDMA there), but other than that all 3 should be a solid choice, although personally I recommend Roger's -- they have better coverage in my area (I lose Telus signal in the data center where I work, but Roger's coverage with my supervisor's SIM in my phone remains strong).

Thanks Spike. Much appreciated.
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Spike15 said:
As far as I know, Telus and Bell customers won't be able to use the HD2 in central Canada due to the fact their 3G+ networks aren't yet present there -- only in the east and the west.
As a Telus customer owning a T9193 and living in the west, I can say that the phone is superlative. I've had some niggles since getting the phone in January, but these were mostly minor. The two biggest ones were:
- Rotation not working (fixed, it was because the flashlight app (which doesn't support landscape) was running in the background)
- Phone dialer keypad sometimes disappearing (setting phone app to rotate, rotating and then unrotating fixes this)
- Outlook Mobile sometimes freezes when sending SMSes, have to open Task Manager and kill it (since flashing latest EnergyROM I haven't experienced this)
Currently I have the phone in what I would consider the perfect configuration. I'm running the latest EnergyROM (which is absolutely stellar...I love the fact that default HTC messaging is removed and that the Outlook Mobile-based replacement has MMS support) and I can honestly say that I have no complaints...it's rock solid -- finally 100% happy with my phone.
As for networks, I can confirm the phone working on all 3. I've used my supervisor's Roger's SIM to test Roger's, used my roommate's Bell SIM to test Bell, and my own SIM and extensive use to test Telus.
Like I said, in central Canada I don't think the HD2 (being solely GSM and UMTS) will work on Bell or Telus (since they're just CDMA there), but other than that all 3 should be a solid choice, although personally I recommend Roger's -- they have better coverage in my area (I lose Telus signal in the data center where I work, but Roger's coverage with my supervisor's SIM in my phone remains strong).
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Can't believe HTC too so damn long to rollout in NA.
Now Bell and Telus won't get it, because MS decided that they will comeout with WM7 early.
Anyway...I really want to get the T9193. The only this I am worried about is custom ROM availability.
When you flashed withe the EnergyROM, where did you get the specific Bel custizatoins so it would work correctly?
Or do you not need to run any customizations after flashing?

It'll auto-configure on first boot.
BTW, the dialpad issue has been fixed for at least two months now - there's a dll or a cab floating around somewhere

mazzarin said:
BTW, the dialpad issue has been fixed for at least two months now - there's a dll or a cab floating around somewhere
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Could you link it or at least point me in the right direction?
I made a thread dedicated to the problem a while back, and no one seemed to want to respond...
Would really appreciate it...

telstra HD2 on AT&T

ok so i'm a total newbie at things like this and this my first post/question... i am an att customer from reno nevada i've loved and used HTC phones since the first one came out years ago. i used to have a touch pro 2 aka tilt 2 but fell in love with my buddies HD2 from t mobile. i did some research and found that a telstra HD2 t9193 would work on ATT and get 3g. now i have the phone and i havent the slightest clue what to do. i cant go on the internet and cant customize the phone to me. i can make calls and txt msg but basicly nothing else. now i dont even care really if i get the 3g or not but i want to customize my phone like the quick links and programs and at least use the internet and have things like the weather updates. i cant do any of that.
to sum up i have the phone but alll i can do is make calls and txt msg nothing else,
can some one please walk me through how to set this stuff up and if and when you do assume i'm an idiot or a 3rd grader.

Have you gone into settings/wireless controls and turned on Data Connection?

Chances are he needs to change his APN settings for AT&T.

Well as far as I know the HD2 finds the APN settings. I use a European HD2 on Rogers Wireless, and it found the settings the moment the sim card was installed. But you're right. He should check the APN settings to be sure.

thanks for replying guys so i tried to go into settings>data connection and it gives me a message that 'this connection is pre-configured and cannot be modified.' also that all internet and data goes through telstra internet. and unfortunetely i have no idea what apn settings are or how to change them.
also i got a voicemail from a friend but when i tried to retreive it i got a recorded message about international codes and dialing if that helps you understand whats going on at all

cstepman1 said:
thanks for replying guys so i tried to go into settings>data connection and it gives me a message that 'this connection is pre-configured and cannot be modified.' also that all internet and data goes through telstra internet. and unfortunetely i have no idea what apn settings are or how to change them.
also i got a voicemail from a friend but when i tried to retreive it i got a recorded message about international codes and dialing if that helps you understand whats going on at all
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The problem I had with leaving the Telstra rom alone was that the ROM itself is so bloated with the provider's extra features that couldn't be used here in the US, that simply tweaking the registry settings to properly setup my phone to the sim-card wasn't enough. I had to download HSPL. Install it on the phone, and ultimately flash a new rom and radio to finally get to where I wanted it to be at. Overall, I am more than happy with the T9193.
You might want to do the same as well, since flashing the ROM will enhance your experience using the phone (Clean install is always better) and flashing a new Radio will give you better frequency management (Better reception with GPS and UMTS).

Any chance you could provide pointers to what ROM and HSPL you used for your Telstra HD2 on AT&T? I'd like to use an HTC stock ROM, but going to their site the ROMs I find say they won't work on my Telstra HD2 (based on SN).

Flash a different ROM.
The reason it doesn't work is because the stock ROM has the APN setup removed, and is preconfigured with Telstra's APN settings. Other HD2 Roms will have Connection Setup available so you can have AT&T's settings loaded.

lots of info in this thread.
the 1st HSPL version works, then most custom roms.

T 9193 running clean and stable with fair battery life
with all the bat. suckers running. See below for specs. Average 1.3 Mbs down. Stream movie or TV on H with no problems.

flash custom
Yes. I am using a Telstra T9193 in CA, had the same issue. Also, most custom ROMs automatically configure the data/connection settings, which is very nice.
~Anastasia~best rom ever. so far
friend'scatdied said:
Flash a different ROM.
The reason it doesn't work is because the stock ROM has the APN setup removed, and is preconfigured with Telstra's APN settings. Other HD2 Roms will have Connection Setup available so you can have AT&T's settings loaded.
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again thanx guys i really appreciate all the help and the links to more info and i fell good now. ive spent the last 6 hrs reading and learning more. i am going to flash the rom and put a new one on. if you guys could post some links to some good roms i'd appreciate it as well. i think i'm looking for something close to HTCs basic but something that will still work w/ AT&T
also i'm looking to learn how to put HSPL on my phone my version says SPL-1.66.0000 i see on the links how to for other models but i havent found how for this perticular one

i think you have to down grade first by flashing a telstra 1.48 or 1.49 rom.
that should bring your spl down to 1.42.
then you can flash hspl 1 and next the htc generic rom
when i bought my telstra, it came with spl 1.42 and so all i had to do flash hspl 1, then i flashed an oem htc rom.

ok so looking around i found this page on ppcgeeks,,com (wont let me post the real link) and on it it has a hardSPL2 that says it should work with 1.66 i'm still a little confused as to what i'd need to do. is this a good safe thing or not?

oh just saw that the person who created the HSPL2 is a member on here called bepe again though is this a good safe thing? i dont want to screw the phone up

from what i read in the past was that hspl2 doesnt work on telstras hd2. it might have changed since then and i havent kept up on it since ive already flashed mine.
you need to research more to see if that is feasable for the telstra hd2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668876&highlight=telstra

ennx said:
Well as far as I know the HD2 finds the APN settings. I use a European HD2 on Rogers Wireless, and it found the settings the moment the sim card was installed. But you're right. He should check the APN settings to be sure.
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Are you able to get 3G on Rogers with a European HD2? I thought the European phone only supported 900 & 2100 HSPA whereas Rogers needs 850 or 1900 HSPA for 3G.

[Q] *Very* Slow Network Speed

Hi all,
I recently acquired an AT&T Samsung Focus with the intention of running it on Rogers. After acquiring the phone I forced the Mango update and then unlocked it.
However, I am seeing some ridiculously slow internet speeds. Slower than EDGE slow. I did a comparison with my non Mango HD7s and the Focus seems to be delivering speeds 4 to 5x slower.
The APN setting seem to be correct (matching the ones on my HD7s). I tried the Network speed Diagnostic code, but that seems to have had no effect. The 3G icon is lit up with full bars, and I've tried in many different locations with consistently slow results.
I don't suppose that anyone has any idea what could be causing such a rastic loss of network speed?
Thank you kindly.

Have you tried this? It's for NoDo but they might have done it for Mango too.

Thanks for the reply! But yeah, I already gave that a shot and it didn't seem to have any noticeable effect.

I would call your service provider and see if they are working on towers in the area. Sometimes they need to reset your phone on the network as well. Also, if you are using an old sim card you might need to get a new one; I personally had that problem where I needed an updated sim card to yield higher speeds. Otherwise recheck apn settings and diagnosis app settings.

Thanks for the reply!
It shouldn't be service or SIM related. I've been trying between multiple handsets: The Focus in question, an HD7s, a Samsung Infuse, a Palm Pre 2, and an iPhone 3G. The only handset displaying the problem is the Focus, everything else is working at normal speeds. Of the above devices, the first three are unlocked AT&T devices, while the last two are native Rogers devices.
The APN settings *should* be correct insomuch as they match what I have on the HD7s.
The only things I can think of as a cause for this is a defective handset (which seems unlikely as I would think that the network would simply not work, as opposed to work very slowly) or an issue with Mango (which strikes me as unlikely since I haven't seen this issue reported elsewhere).

Have you tried it previous to Mango? You can try flashing your Rogers ROM from here but it would mean you have to start over again.

Thanks again!
I was hoping not to have to give that a go, but it's looking like my only real option at this point...
UPDATE
Just flashed the phone using the original Rogers ROM. With the original firmware, the issue is fixed. Network speed is fine. I'm going to see what happens once I update to Mango.
UPDATE 2
Upgraded back up to Mango. Everything seems to be working so far. Network speed seems to be good, about on par with what my non-Mango HD7s has. Maybe something went wrong with my original Mango update that made the network go screwy?
Going to see if the speed stays good as I re-add my apps. Fingers crossed.

I was actually having the same issues... What I ended up doing was removing all the APN settings then setting up Automatic APN settings in the Samsung Tools. Much better now. And this was on Mango.
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I should note - still not quite as fast as some of the other handsets I have... Getting 2.6 Mbps down and .55 up.

[Q] Samsung Focus - HOW to get a BETTER 3g connection?

Guys,
I have a Samsung Focus for a quite long time. There is an issue that is ANNOYING, that problem that obligate us to restart the phone to reconnect to 3G connection. I had this issue in the past, until the NoDo Update was released!
After NoDo, ISSUE SOLVED! Internet connection outside Wifi perfect, and it managed perfectly. BBBUT
Now mango is launched! WTF! The problem is here again! After mango, the 3G connection is wooooooooorrse! Who else feel the same situation? Anyone that felt, could solve it somehow? It seems that drivers are not updated, I don't know. Please, don't say that it may be my Carrier! IT IS NOT! =)
ps: I have already entered in Diagnosis tool, and did the adjusts you suggested, but nothing changed.

Guys, sharing an article: http://wp7lab.com/news/data-leak-mango/

Yes , unfortunately 3g/3G+ is slow when compared to a decent smartphone, at least in Europe.
I have tested more than 3 WP7 devices, they are slow.
Focus is the slowest in Europe since the it is from US/Canada markets. Flashing an Omnia7 radio helps improving the speed by some 20-30 percents.
The secret lies within the RoM , there are several xml files responsible for data handling. ATT/Rogers CSC files don't configure the device to European protocols.
Theoretically, one could build a Frankenstein ROM from an OMNIA7 device by using the edited csc file and adding Focus drivers to it.
I am working @ this right now...

I'm in the U.S., and I'm having the same issues. Several times a day I web browse and I get the connection error message. Did the original diagnostic settings, as well.

http: //windowsphonehacker .com/articles/how_to_enable_hsupa_on_your_samsung_focus_and_triple_your_upload_speeds-04-19-11
this is pretty useful guys

Thanks for reminding me!!! I forgot to reinstate that mod after updating to Mango. Awesome!!!

My phone is unlocked from Att but I'm in Jamaica. I love this phone but the 3g is giving me hell to selling point where I am considering selling the device. Is there any help out there for this problem?

Try this: settings/applications/radio
set it to World (instead of North America)

EnderPsp said:
Try this: settings/applications/radio
set it to World (instead of North America)
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I love you man 3g works without a hitch now, and I can even download apps. Once I could only do that over my home WiFi. Thanks a million brother!!!

htc9420 said:
Yes , unfortunately 3g/3G+ is slow when compared to a decent smartphone, at least in Europe.
I have tested more than 3 WP7 devices, they are slow.
Focus is the slowest in Europe since the it is from US/Canada markets. Flashing an Omnia7 radio helps improving the speed by some 20-30 percents.
The secret lies within the RoM , there are several xml files responsible for data handling. ATT/Rogers CSC files don't configure the device to European protocols.
Theoretically, one could build a Frankenstein ROM from an OMNIA7 device by using the edited csc file and adding Focus drivers to it.
I am working @ this right now...
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How can we flash an edited CSC file? This is what I have been trying to figure out for a week now. If I edit one and send you the files can you sign it?

[Q] HD2 freezing with mobile data use across multiple ROMS. Any ideas?

So my T-Mobile HD2 is freezing up completely (necessitating battery pull) within a minute or two of turning on and using mobile data. Like the title says, it's happening on both ICS and Gingerbread ROMS.
HSPL 2.08
Radio 2.15.50.14
MAGLDR 1.13
CWM 3.0.0.5
Current ROM: Langthang's HD2 NDT MIUI STABLE VERSION 6.0
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010498)
Previous ROM: NexusHD2-ICS-CM9-HWA_V2.0
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860)
Both ROMS run well (esp. the current one) except for the mobile data.
I've had the phone for about 16 months. When I first got it in the USA, I didn't trust myself to flash it to Android for the first time, so I had someone else knowledgeable put a Froyo ROM on it. So I can't tell you what version of HSPL he used to flash 2.08 to it. The phone worked fine (except for occasional overheating--it's an HD2, right?), including mobile data. This was in the USA.
Then I moved to Thailand where I didn't use mobile data at all for a long time. Last month I flashed over the old Froyo with the two ROMS (clean install) listed above and have started using mobile data for the first time in Thailand and am now noticing this problem.
More info:
1. Turning mobile data on and not actually using it actively (i.e. just letting whatever few Google things auto-sync in the background) will have it freezing within half an hour. Using it actively will have it freezing in 1-2 minutes.
2. Using a CPU governor (No-frills CPU control) set to the most extreme (“powersave”) keeps it from freezing up the phone for only a little bit longer than having it set to “performance,” so I don’t see the point in using that as a workaround.
I can guess what most people are going to say at this point: dude, you got one of the HD2′s with a hardware overheating problem; sorry, buy a new phone. Well, can’t afford to for a couple months so I’ve been trying to solve it in other ways. And anyway, I’ve stress-tested it with everything but mobile data (heavy use of camera, playing music, videos, and wifi) and no problems. Sure, it sometimes gets warm and might crash very occasionally...but no problems I can't live with.
So why in the name of all that is holy does using mobile data ALWAYS freeze it?
1. Would flashing a different radio conceivably help? Maybe because a different radio would work better with my carrier here in Thailand? (I know, you have to be careful that your radio is compatible with your ROM, else you brick phone. Also, I don't want to flash radio unless I absolutely have to because it's dangerous-ish).
2. Is HSPL version an issue?
3. Could it be my APN settings? Entering the info (minus the DNS stuff; don't know where that goes) from the following site (http://www.flexispy.com/globalapn.htm) stops mobile data from working at all. My carrier is AIS in Thailand.
Anyone who can help me, it's much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

HSPL fine & radio should be ok but was not best for me in asia but not due to overheating of device ...
Do the fridge test, keep it in fridge for 1hr in plastic bag to protect from moisture then activate data & see how it performs, keep it in fridge as much as possible or cool as possible with aircon, fan or ice bed ...
If you get lot longer times before freezing you can be 100% sure it related to heat & mainboard bga failure under heat.
Thailand is very hot and running temps of phones & notebooks are a lot higher here so a weakness is more easily reached ...
As you say you already have experienced overheating I would assume your mainboard is a bit more sensative to heat than most, we have over 20 HD2s in company use & in over 2yrs only 1 handset has had freezing issues & was mainboard BGA issue & new mainboard fixed it.
I would assume the the functioning of data produces more heat in term of cpu, radio stack & battery in a way that heat soaks the device to failure, I would of thought HQ video playback & heavy wifi use could see same fault so some more stress testing may be an idea too.
you on AIS 3G ?
You could try radio in my signature, I have used it in Thailand & asia pacific with great success so maybe worth a try !

I've done a little fridge testing and it does seem able to function on mobile data without freezing up. So obviously my phone's more sensitive than average to overheating (and also because of Thailand's heat), but I still wonder if using a different radio would work better and maybe not push my phone "over the edge."
One reason I still think there might be something wrong with the radio version is that I can never get 3G (only EDGE), even in places where I absolutely KNOW there's coverage. The other reason that makes me suspect the radio is the stress-testing I was talking about before. I tried really hard to make my phone overheat with a lot of processor-intensive stuff and I couldn't.
I really don't want to beat a dead horse, but does anyone else have any opinions or ideas before I mess with flashing a different radio?

P.S. Thanks for the link to your radio, Mister B.

ramr37 said:
I've done a little fridge testing and it does seem able to function on mobile data without freezing up. So obviously my phone's more sensitive than average to overheating (and also because of Thailand's heat), but I still wonder if using a different radio would work better and maybe not push my phone "over the edge."
One reason I still think there might be something wrong with the radio version is that I can never get 3G (only EDGE), even in places where I absolutely KNOW there's coverage. The other reason that makes me suspect the radio is the stress-testing I was talking about before. I tried really hard to make my phone overheat with a lot of processor-intensive stuff and I couldn't.
I really don't want to beat a dead horse, but does anyone else have any opinions or ideas before I mess with flashing a different radio?
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IMO Mr. B is right about overheating motherboard, but couldn't harm anyone to flash another radio version.
Even I'm reservated on this, I wish you GOOD LUCK!

No 3G: Is 3g enabled in phone settings ?, is 3G enabled on your AIS sim card account ?
Trying another radio will do no harm & may help as might using the least resource hungry ROMs ... Android is a power hungry bulk of an OS & most mainboard faults only appear on Android or are worse on android ...
I have same TMOUS HD2 & 3G works fine here so no issues with phone Radios bands as many worry about ...

Mister B,
After writing that huge long post...I might be an idiot.
3g was enabled in my Android settings, but I didn't know it had to be enabled on the sim card. I'll go to a phone shop tomorrow and ask them about it.
Thanks everyone for their advice.

I not know who the idiot but worth checking as I believe if not buying a sim packaged as 3G you do not get 3G without getting account upgrade .
Confirmation either way will be useful ...
Unfortunately AIS website is a very good example on how to have a huge amount of content & over complex account types but absolutely no easy to find useful clear facts ...

Mister B,
1. Went to a phone shop and explained my problem. The guy there told me that he didn't think my phone was compatible with AIS' 3G band...but you have working 3G in Thailand with a T-Mobile HD2. Is your carrier TOT Mobile? Xda won't let me post outside links yet because I'm new, but I looked up the specs on the T-Mobile HD2 and on Thailand's mobile phone bands and it looks like the only carrier the T-Mobile HD2 can use 3g on is TOT Mobile (only carrier with either a 1700 or 2100 band).
2. Also, when I first got my SIM card here last year, I got a regular one, not a 3G one. The way I signed up for 3G was just by looking up and texting a code to AIS to subscribe to 3G service. I thought that was all I had to do. It seemed to work, except for only being able to get 2G. (I'm in Chiang Mai, and I know AIS has good 3G coverage here; I've experimented using my phone all over the city, but no 3G). So it looks like you're right in your last post about needing a 3G SIM card or an account upgrade.
Thanks again for your all your help. Would you mind confirming that your carrier is actually TOT Mobile? It would help me troubleshoot.

I use TOT for 3G (iKool) & DTAC for 2G Edge.
I thought AIS had license for 2100MHz 3G but if on 900MHz then will not work on AIS until upgrade there network.
Thailands 3G is a bit of a bodge effort until licensing is approved.
I would assume your current sim is not at fault & if you activated 3G via sms code it should be 3G active & just the current band being the limitation ...
How I wish 3 network would come to Thailand, their HK network is superb ...