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JULY 01, 2010 06:31
When Apple launched its new smartphone iPhone 4 June 8, Samsung Electronics released its smartphone Galaxy S without prior notice.
The Korean electronics maker said, “This is the culmination of our company’s 20-year history of handset manufacturing.”
People in and out of the company said Samsung timed the release with Apple’s launch of the iPhone 4 to compete squarely with Apple. Aware of the “Apple shock” triggered by the iPhone’s entry into Korea in November last year, Samsung reacted in an orderly manner this time to prevent a recurrence, experts said.
Many people wonder what happened inside of the company after the shock.
○ Paradigm shift in product development
The Dong-A Ilbo interviewed Monday Kim Hak-sang, director of the platform development department in the company’s wireless division who led the development of the Galaxy S, and Ahn Won-ik, head of a software platform group at Digital City of Samsung Electronics in Suwon, Gyeonggi Province. Kim led hardware development and Ahn software development.
A task force to develop the Galaxy S was set up in October last year shortly before the iPhone arrived on the Korean market. The team designed the hardware at first, but had difficulty choosing an operating system.
Kim said, “We applied many operating systems and concluded that consumers and mobile carriers want Google’s Android.”
The task force is different from the previous handset development team in the company’s wireless division. Samsung allowed flexibility in its guidelines on developing new products.
Ahn said, “In the past, there were clear guidelines for product development and they never changed, so what we had to do was to strictly follow the guidelines. This time, however, they are constantly changing.”
“From the beginning of development, we sent a prototype to power users not only in Korea but also in the U.S. and European countries and based on their feedback, we’ve improved the product.”
The sense of touch and electricity consumption were improved based on such feedback.
By actively incorporating opinions of the product planning and marketing departments, the team changed the smartphone’s design seven times.
The timing of the release was set, but developers were embarrassed because of constantly changing guidelines.
Ahn said, “At one point, we received more than 1,000 pieces of feedback from overseas power users,” adding, “We felt increasingly burdened since we had to choose from them those that deserve attention and discuss whether corrections were necessary.”
○ Big change in decision making
It is difficult to achieve flexible product planning and rapid production at the same time. To meet these two goals, the company simplified the decision-making and reporting processes.
Kim said, “Previously, the staff members in charge submitted well-written reports to executives. Now, they have meetings with staff members with rough draft reports.”
This was to save time in drawing up reports and spend more time developing products.
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Did they think a lot when they decided to implement the toyish plastics on that -brilliant in other aspects- phone?
One thing to consider about that back everyone complains about. I've read that it is carbon fiber. It does look like it. If it is true, that is a very strong material and considered high end in automobile design to give strength and lighten the weight. And not cheap.
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One thing to consider about that back everyone complains about. I've read that it is carbon fiber. It does look like it. If it is true, that is a very strong material and considered high end in automobile design to give strength and lighten the weight. And not cheap.
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I think you're refering to the Captivate version on AT&T which has a carbon fiber pattern on it's battery door. Whether or not it's really carbon fiber I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure all other versions of the SGS are completely plastic.
If I'm wrong and the casing is made of carbon fiber, that'd be one more thing to add to the checklist for this excellent phone.
^ Its a carbon fiber lookalike plastic. Its NOT carbon fiber.
i work with carbon fiber and two reasons i doubt it's carbon fiber
a) cost of CF is high, even in this economy. Last price quote we had was in the $52 sq yard range - and yeah i know samsung would get a much better price, and it's only an approx pc sized at 3X5" but still the cost of it vs the faux CF would be excessive
b) CF shields electrical / radio signals - blocks them as effectively as tin foil or copper sheet
even black colored plastic degrades a radio signal some, as carbon is used as the coloring agent - that's the reason the last phone i bought and was offered in white as one of the options, i went with white
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/54903-is-motorola-getting-ready-to-ditch-android
The article makes several key points:
"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google and even Google's numbers look less than reliable. There are 37 lawsuits on this platform since the beginning of 2010 many filed against companies like Motorola and complaints from the OEM on Google's responsiveness to their concerns are both common and strident," he explained.
"They are not happy and a review of all of this is what pushed HP to buy Palm and avoid Android all together
You have to consider why a company like Motorola would chose to support, or not support an OS - things may not be all that rosy for Google Experience Devices, in fact it sounds like companies like Motorola may actually resent Googles interference, and what they percieve as an inequitable distribution of profit (into Googles Pocket) on these devices.
Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. It takes years, then you have to get the hardware vendors to make systems for it, and the software guys to make software for it. HP already have an OS in WebOS; ditto RIM. Are they swimming in dev love right now?
>"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google"
Moto was near death after the Razr petered out, and was resuscitated back to life with the Droid series. Last I looked, its financials look a lot better than it was before its Android push. Ditto for HTC, which is now riding on a wave of cash. You can check on others.
Every for-profit company in the world is doing things to make...a profit. If it's not profitable, nobody would do it. Now, look at the rate of Android adoption for smartphones. Think all of those vendors are looking to lose money?
The trouble with holding Internet pundits as gospel is that they, like any for-profit entity, don't necessarily care about the facts as they do about sensationalizing them, even to the extent of spouting fibs. The more attention a blog post gets, the more hits, and the more ad revenue. Sad as it is to say, but truth and facts can be boring, and embellishment sells.
I think its all in the informations source. Wasn't there an article a month or two back that essentially discussed exactly how profitable Android is? Essentially calling it Google's most profitable venture ever for both themselves and their partners.
I think the proof is in handset shipments and growth. What is HTC's shipment growth over the past 2 years? Something in the neighborhood of 200%? and their projection is for a 300% increase over that this year? Those handset sales are driven primarily by Android. If they aren't making a profit on those handsets then they would have been unprofitable no matter what, because their prices wouldn't have changed. Whether it be Windows Mobile,Android or Brand Z their new handset is still going to be in the neighborhood of 599-650, so its their responsibility to make sure that price point is profitable for them. I don't see them being able to complain about slow growth since the sales growth and acceptance for the Android platform is pretty much meteoric.
I hardly see Motorola complaining about Android considering it and Verizon essentially saved them from becoming the next Nokia, a brand no one in America cares about. Are they hedging their bets? Possibly. Abandoning Android right now or in the foreseeable future though? I would say absolutely not.
Without Android, its pretty easy to say that Motorola and HTC would be in far worse financial shape than increasing their shipments and profits every quarter than they currently are. (Samsung not so much, they could have continued to be the OEM supplier for screens to HTC/Other brands who want to make phones) But in fact it was so profitable it encouraged Samsung to jump into the market themselves instead of just supplying parts. It gave those companies an instant way to compete with iOS.
Motorola announced today it sold 8.3 million handsets in the second quarter, earning the Mobile Devices division $1.7 billion in sales, and returning the unit to profitability after several quarters of losses. Over 2.7 million smartphones were part of Motorola’s overall handset sales, showing the vast growth in this segment, as the company reported zero smartphone sales in the same quarter in 2009. Although Motorola quarterly results don’t specifically name the biggest catalyst for such a change, it can be summarized in one word: Android.
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Thats from July of 2010. So from losses to profit, I can hardly see how that "wouldn't be turning out profitable" for them.
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Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. It takes years, then you have to get the hardware vendors to make systems for it, and the software guys to make software for it. HP already have an OS in WebOS; ditto RIM. Are they swimming in dev love right now?
>"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google"
Moto was near death after the Razr petered out, and was resuscitated back to life with the Droid series. Last I looked, its financials look a lot better than it was before its Android push. Ditto for HTC, which is now riding on a wave of cash. You can check on others.
Every for-profit company in the world is doing things to make...a profit. If it's not profitable, nobody would do it. Now, look at the rate of Android adoption for smartphones. Think all of those vendors are looking to lose money?
The trouble with holding Internet pundits as gospel is that they, like any for-profit entity, don't necessarily care about the facts as they do about sensationalizing them, even to the extent of spouting fibs. The more attention a blog post gets, the more hits, and the more ad revenue. Sad as it is to say, but truth and facts can be boring, and embellishment sells.
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You both make good points.
Thats when these boards work best. When people actually think through all the facets of a topic and don't just devolve into an Apple good/Android Bad rant.
However, in response to the comment: "Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. "
Certainly it is,
ANDROID is an operating system developed by a company called Google, that just "decided" to create an OS to compete with Apple.
That in turn was developed from an OS called Linux developed by Torvalds as an open source alternative to Windows.
Or take Windows Phone 7 - A company called Microsoft "Just decided to develop" and OS from the ground up to compete with Apple.
Problem isn't developing an OS, problem is marketing it and developing Apps.
Edit: I agree with you that that this is virtually impossible for Motorola. But I would have thought it impossible for HP too and yet, they had the creative insight to buy palm, and now they are doing it. Probably will crash and burn, but bottom line is: They DID abandon android.
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ANDROID is an operating system developed by a company called Google, that just "decided" to create an OS to compete with Apple.
Or take Windows Phone 7 - A company called Microsoft "Just decided to develop" and OS from the ground up to compete with Apple.
Problem isn't developing an OS, problem is marketing it and developing Apps.
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I hope you understand that there difference between software companies deciding to make software and hardware companies deciding to make software.
Microsoft and Google already had experience and infrastructure in place to create new software. Motorola will be starting with...nothing. That is why Palm was purchased by HP, they needed a leg up on software experience to make new software development practical.
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I hope you understand that there difference between software companies deciding to make software and hardware companies deciding to make software.
Microsoft and Google already had experience and infrastructure in place to create new software. Motorola will be starting with...nothing. That is why Palm was purchased by HP, they needed a leg up on software experience to make new software development practical.
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Knew that one was coming. Thats why companies hire employess. Thats why companies buy other companies.
Thats why companies like HP which are HARDWARE companies buy companies like Palm which are SOFTWARE companies. Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Programmers are people, they can walk from software companies over to the building where the hardware company is located and start working there, on a shiny new OS as soon as they are hired or aquired.
Edit: Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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Knew that one was coming. Thats why companies hire employess. Thats why companies buy other companies.
Thats why companies like HP which are HARDWARE companies buy companies like Palm which are SOFTWARE companies. Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Programmers are people, they can walk from software companies over to the building where the hardware company is located and start working there, on a shiny new OS as soon as they are hired or aquired.
Edit: Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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...ok, but in order for them to walk over there they need to be PAID, and an entire new wing of R&D needs to be built to support them. This is a massive investment that is VERY high risk that takes a long time.
Oh you're right, I had no clue Google started as a search engine. That means they are and have always been a software company. Just because "engine" is in the phrase doesn't mean it isn't software
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...ok, but in order for them to walk over there they need to be PAID, and an entire new wing of R&D needs to be built to support them. This is a massive investment that is VERY high risk that takes a long time.
Oh you're right, I had no clue Google started as a search engine. That means they are and have always been a software company. Just because "engine" is in the phrase doesn't mean it isn't software
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Sarcasm aside, no, I'm still not sure a search engine is the same as a hardware operating system....
Her is a good article supporting the alternative point of view however:
Moto ditching Android: Silly Rumor
http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-developing-own-os-silly-rumor-20110325/
Note this line: Motorola is working on their own OS? What? Back that up. Several blogs are putting forth the rumor that Motorola’s friendship with Google is waning and that the cellphone manufacturer has been quietly hiring Apple and Adobe engineers with the aim of developing their own platform OS to compete with Android.
Note the part about quietly hiring from Apple and Adobe.
I honestly don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here. I am primarily playing Devils Advocate by throwing the orignal topic out here for discussion, as it is something that people have been talking about quite a bit on Motorola hardware boards.
I was curious to see other peoples points of view on the story-rumor.
Here is an interesting article about why Google might not care if Android ever makes money.
Android May Be the Greatest Legal Destruction of Wealth in History [Android]
TOP STORIES IN TECHNOLOGY | MARCH 25, 2011
http://gizmodo.com/#!5785983/android-may-be-the-greatest-legal-destruction-of-wealth-in-history
tinpusher said:
Here is an interesting article about why Google might not care if Android ever makes money.
Android May Be the Greatest Legal Destruction of Wealth in History [Android]
TOP STORIES IN TECHNOLOGY | MARCH 25, 2011
http://gizmodo.com/#!5785983/android-may-be-the-greatest-legal-destruction-of-wealth-in-history
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Thanks for posting this.
I have to laugh. I started this thread, and in effect was accused of being a conspiracy theorist wearing a tin-foil hat. So it makes me feel better knowing that the guys over at Gizmodo have some pretty shiny head-gear as well.
If Motorola leaves the Android community they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I really have a hard time believing Moto would be that stupid.
Where were they before Android? On the brink of death. Leaving now is suicide. Companies really need to stop thinking they are Apple. Apple is the exception to that proves rule.
If they took all the money they put into this rumored OS and sunk it into a better blur (or option to disable blur), better hardware, and FAST updates... they would rule the market.
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If Motorola leaves the Android community they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I really have a hard time believing Moto would be that stupid.
Where were they before Android? On the brink of death. Leaving now is suicide. Companies really need to stop thinking they are Apple. Apple is the exception to that proves rule.
If they took all the money they put into this rumored OS and sunk it into a better blur (or option to disable blur), better hardware, and FAST updates... they would rule the market.
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Oh hell, some companies like Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot on an almost daily basis. Remember the Kin phone? Here is a quote from an article by Engadget:
"While it's hard to argue that Kin is an awful product, the saddest part of the story is that many of the people responsible for it knew it was -- they were largely victims of political circumstance, forced to release a phone that was practically raw in the middle."
In the end they sold something like 500 of the things.
Remember the Dell streak releasing crippled with Android 1.6?
And then there was windows Vista....
Companies often do things that seem to make no rational business sense.
It would be crazy for them to abandon the platform that single handedly prevented them from going into bankruptcy... Motorola was doing horrible before they teamed up with Verizon and released the Droid OG. Which was an insanely popular device. Motorola should be thanking Verizon and Google for still having jobs right now...
They would be crazy to stop embracing android. Not only is it generating business like crazy (everyone has seen or heard of the enormous numbers of android products being sold, numbers that are unseating the existing leaders of the mobile os market), all indications are that android is still growing. Why abandon success?
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Actually it's as simple as this.. Would you abandon an OS that has the second largest apps for mobile? It would be dumb for any company to do such a thing.. I mean think about it.. What other choices do you have?? WM7, RIM, Palm etc?? It would take years for them to catch up, apps wise.. Right now, what makes these phone manufacturer tick, is the apps behind it.. Hence, that's the reason why I chose Android when I left iphone.. The apps.. So I don't think Motorola would abandon Android and jump ship anytime soon.. Or at all, for that matter..
Yeah I agree. I don't see this happening anytime soon, if at all. Especially looking within a few years down the road.
Motorola should just concentrate on making better quality hardware and leave th software to people who know what they are doing. Motorola use to mean quality, now it's just another phone maker in a sea of the same devices running the same software with nothing really revolutionary to offer buyers. If moto could make an android device with the quality of their razor they would destroy the competition.
The rumor that Moto is hiring software egr's has a glimmer of truth (and subsequently embellished for tabloid consumption). Moto is learning that there is a downside to the Android gravy train, which every co and its sister is jumping onto, and that is lack of differentiation.
Co's are trying different things. Asus is doing the integrated keyboard with the Transformer. HTC has the active digitizer where you can use a stylus. Archos is leaning on its PMP roots with strong multimedia support. But for the majority, differentiation will be minimal (mostly a custom GUI). The main determinant will be price. In other words, Android tabs will be commodity status very soon. This is good for the consumers, but not for the vendors.
This isn't the smartphone market any more, where supply is constrained by the carriers playing as gatekeepers. Price competition will be intense, and slapping on a custom GUI (as has been the practice for smartphones) will no longer be enough. Premium brands in smartphones do not automatically translate to the tablet market.
It'll be a free-for-all. And the guys that win will be those with the best value-add, brand strength, and distribution muscle. For the first, you need software peeps. Which is why Moto is stocking up.
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Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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Just saying that something doesn't make sense isn't very helpful. Try explaining WHY it doesn't make sense.
That would add something to the discussion.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/25/google-tries-to-block-u-s-shipments-of-apples-iphone-over-3g-patents/
Google tries to block U.S. shipments of Apple’s iPhone and iPad over 3G patents [updated]
Google is seeking to block U.S. imports of Apple’s iPhone and iPad over 3G patents held by Motorola Mobility,*Bloomberg*is reporting.UPDATE:*Bloomberg*is theorizing that due to a review of a previous ruling, Apple could face a ban on importing iPhones and iPads, but Google is not filing an injunction at this time.
By Susan Decker and William McQuillenJune 25 (Bloomberg) — A U.S. trade agency said it willreview a judge’s findings that Apple Inc.’s iPhone and iPad tablet computer infringe a patent owned by Google Inc.’s Motorola Mobility unit, in a case that could lead to imports of the devices being banned. The U.S. International Trade Commission said it will review ITC Judge Thomas Pender’s findings that Apple was violating one*Motorola Mobility patent. The commission is scheduled to issue a*final decision on Aug. 24, and has the power to block devices*made in Asia from entering the U.S. The iPhone, iPad and related*devices generate 78 percent of Apple’s revenue.*The commission said it would review aspects of all four*Motorola Mobility patents in the case, including the one found*to be infringed. The agency also will consider whether it should*be issuing import bans on products found to infringe patents*related to industry standards. Notice of the commission’s decision was posted today on the agency’s website.*The iPhone generated $22 billion in sales last quarter for*Apple, or 58 percent of the company’s total revenue. It was the*best-selling smartphone in the U.S., with 29 percent of the*market, while Motorola Mobility had 10 percent, researcher NPD*Group said May 2.*Apple’s iPad dominates the tablet computer market, with 72*percent of the market, according to researcher DisplaySearch.*The iPad and related products brought in $9.2 billion for Apple,*almost 20 percent of its revenue.*Motorola Mobility filed the complaint in October 2010 as a*pre-emptive strike after Apple made public statements that*phones running on Google’s Android operating system were copying*features of the iPhone. The dispute is part of a broader global*battle for supremacy in the smartphone and tablet computer*markets that also pits Apple against Android-device*manufacturers Samsung Electronics Co. and HTC Corp.*Android is the most popular platform for smartphones, with*61 percent of the market, NPD said.*Apple is appealing its loss in the patent-infringement*complaint it filed at the ITC against Libertyville, Illinois-*based Motorola Mobility, and a federal judge in Chicago last*week threw out patent claims Apple and Motorola Mobility had*filed against each other. Google bought Motorola Mobility in*part to gain access to its trove of 17,000 patents, many on*phone technology.*Cupertino, California-based Apple also has filed a*complaint against Motorola Mobility at the European Union,*accusing the handset manufacturer of misusing patents that*relate to industry standards.*The patent that Pender said Apple infringed relates to the*industry standard for 3G technology used by most phones, and*Motorola Mobility has argued that Apple infringes the patent byfollowing the standard.*Apple argued that, since Motorola Mobility helped establish*the standard, it shouldn’t be allowed to block use of patent*inventions related to the standard. It filed a lawsuit accusing*Motorola Mobility of breaching its contractual obligation to*license any standard-essential patents on fair and reasonableterms.*The U.S. Federal Trade Commission, members of Congress and*Microsoft Corp. have filed papers supporting Apple’s argument*that import bans should not be imposed on such patents. Verizon*Wireless, the largest U.S. mobile-phone service provider, and*No. 2 AT&T Inc. filed papers making similar arguments.*Verizon Wireless, jointly owned by Verizon Communications*Inc. and Vodafone Group Plc, also said an import ban on the*iPhone “would hamper technological development, strand critical*infrastructure investment and cost American jobs.”*The patent that was found to be infringed covers a way to*eliminate noise so signals are clearer. A Wi-Fi patent is*invalid because it doesn’t cover a new invention, the judge*said. No infringement was found on two other patents, for a way*the server tracks which applications are available, and a sensorto determine the proximity of a person’s head to the phone so it*doesn’t accidentally hang up or dial unwanted numbers.*The case against Apple is In the Matter of Wireless*Communication Devices, Portable Music and Data Processing*Devices, Computers and Components Thereof, 337-745, and Apple’s*case against Motorola Mobility is In the Matter of Mobile*Devices and Related Software, 337-750, both U.S. InternationalTrade.
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that should get them to back off of samsung lol
Not likely to happen. But there is hope. And it'd be funny as hell if it does.
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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I completely agree with your viewpoint here, and i don't like to point fingers, but in this case Apple is at fault. Should Apple had let things be, and chosen to compete on advertising, features, and other commercial traits, this would not be happening. Instead, Apple has been filing one patent action after another, first holding up the evo 4g and replenishments of the htc one x, then achieving the recent injunction against the galaxy nexus. This forced Google's hand, as we can see above, to play the same dirty game in order to achieve leverage to halt Apple's anti-competitive behavior. Apple has to come to terms with the fact that real competition exists in the marketplace and that winning the fight has be accomplished on innovation, price, differentiation and other business factors outside of the courtroom.
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IOS 6 is suppose to have features that have been exclusive to android like face unlock. So if Apple got an induction for the slide to unlock feature why couldn't Google get an induction against apple if they do release that feature in the next os.
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"The U.S. Federal Trade Commission, members of Congress and Microsoft Corp. have filed papers supporting Apple’s argument that import bans should not be imposed on such patents."
huh? ROFL
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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Random thought
I wonder how many patents there are on (apply to) every aspect of our Siii? Don't they patent line of code?
dardani89 said:
this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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To be fair, Apple launched the first nuke in this mutually assured destruction with the Galaxy Nexus ban.
Not going to happen for a few reasons:
1. The patent in dispute is based on a 3G standard that Motorola is letting many other companies use. This isn't like Apple's design patent suits. It is a standard, so all they likely need to do is work out a licensing deal.
2. There would be way too much backlash and public disapproval of such a decision.
3. Apple has way too many backers: Verizon, AT&T, Microsoft, the FTC, and Congress to name a few. That is A LOT of support.
4. Things usually tend to fall Apple's way. Whether it's bias, really good lawyers, or the result of being the most valuable company in the world, they seem to get their way more than they should.
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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Whatever dude. I think Google, Samsung and Motorola have been pretty frickin patient with Apple and their psychopathic former leader Steve Jobs (RIH). Especially considering the Apple you know today was all started from stealing from Xerox and then stealing from a whole industry only to turn around and claim it as their own.
I say we file a class action lawsuit against the patent offices who are giving Apple all these bull**** patents. Does the patent office really not give a damn who the technology belongs to? I really would like to see Apple come out with SOMETHING original.
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They have been doing this for over a year, there's an apple fanboy I used to go to high school with on my Facebook and rants all the time about how Apple is taking action against Android for their "thievery" I lol'd then put him in his place by stating lock screen usage and notification drawer, which have been android for years!!! I pointed every little flaw in his arguement only for him to delete his status he made and remove from his friends. That's Apple fans for you. This will not end and will have little effect to any of us in the long run.
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Sadly it won't happen
Here's why: Apple is the golden child of the good ol' Us of ****ing A, and the entire system is corrupt. How much would you like to bet that the judge who placed the GNexus ban is getting some sort of payout or campaign contribution. Apple will win because apple has the deepest pockets. They have a great legal team, and have the best marketing team on the planet. I personally see them as a threat to all technology, as I fear they're going to use patents to kill innovation.
I wish it would end on both sides, the patent war that is.
Patents are fine, but you can't say someone is stealing from you, when they take your idea and throw in some new ideas/inventions. You patented something specific. You didn't patent something square and is a phone.
What is annoying to me is for a couple of years now the courts have ruled for Apple. But now when people start suing Apple, their reply is "im sick of this."
Why couldn't you have said that from the beginning? To me it seems that Apple has all the control with it's lawsuits.
Well, Apple is the US company being judged by US courts, at least vs Samsung. Let's see what happens with Google.
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Paging Dr B said:
Here's why: Apple is the golden child of the good ol' Us of ****ing A, and the entire system is corrupt. How much would you like to bet that the judge who placed the GNexus ban is getting some sort of payout or campaign contribution. Apple will win because apple has the deepest pockets. They have a great legal team, and have the best marketing team on the planet. I personally see them as a threat to all technology, as I fear they're going to use patents to kill innovation.
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I'm fairly certain judge Koh or whatever her name is got bribed, the case she's handling had till recently, based on her comments not been going Apple's way, including not allowing a ban on the SGS3 to go through, and then suddenly she changes her mind? Not likely at all, the law has been generally against Apple from day one, nothing has changed law wise for this sudden turn around.
AND her turnaround comes way too close after Judge Posner's ruling that injunction's are not to be used as punishment and to stop competition
BGR is the worst place to get Android/Google news. It is run by a bunch of Apple fan boys, so of course they are going to over speculate the situation. Go to a reliable source like Engadget or Phonedog.
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I'm fairly certain judge Koh or whatever her name is got bribed, the case she's handling had till recently, based on her comments not been going Apple's way, including not allowing a ban on the SGS3 to go through, and then suddenly she changes her mind? Not likely at all, the law has been generally against Apple from day one, nothing has changed law wise for this sudden turn around.
AND her turnaround comes way too close after Judge Posner's ruling that injunction's are not to be used as punishment and to stop competition
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she didn't change her mind because she was bribed. she changed her mind because initially she didn't find apples argument for unified search to be reasonable to warrant a patent so she threw out the case but not without prejudice. then apple appealed the case to a higher court. the appeals court found apples argument to be justified in the unified search patent and Judge Koh was ordered by the federal appeals court to retake the case and find a decision. she was not allowed to revisit the issue if the patent was legitimate or not, the higher court had made that decision for her. so she had to work on what she was given, and under the assumptions that she was ordered to accept from the higher court, lead to the conclusion of the injunctions. Judges make bad decisions and good decisions, they're just human beings. Ultimately though they make decisions based on the law and orders from above, not what is right or wrong. The problem here is not the Judges, it's a combination of Samsung's God awful legal team, Apples abuse of the patent system, the failure of the patent system in technology and our austerity mindset with regards to budget cuts for the patent office.
its a bit retarded that apple has to stop any phone that will be better than theirs
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Snippets from crapple launch event
On Apple Stores: “Our stores offer the best buying experience and the best customer service on the planet."
On the latest version of Mac OS X: “Best OS on the planet.”
On the latest MacBook Pro: “The best Mac we’ve ever made.”
On the iPad: “The finest tablet you can buy.”
On the iPhone 5: “It is an absolute jewel. It is the most beautiful product we have ever made, bar none.”
On iOS 6: “The most advanced operating system in any mobile device.”
On the iPod Touch: “The world’s most popular music player.”
On Apple’s employees: “They are doing the best work of their lives.”
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...latives_apple_heaped_on_its_own_products.html
this is the finest, best crap launched ever.
lol
but wait.. apple innovated in this launch!
They innovated 5th row of icons!
I wonder if they streamed that bad boy at foxconn. Where they give their lives to build those jewels
If I ever want to observe actual humans having full-blown delusions of grandeur, I know what seminar/event to attend. And, it's probably free too!
iClould Tabs??
Anyone here hear about Chrome? Someone talking about copycats?
That all black iPhone 5 is kinda sexy looking..lol. I would consider it but I want the galaxy note 2. 5.5in. Inches of sexyness. Whi h will have quad core exynos 4 like tablet.
Now that apple confirmed LTE on new apple devices, I wonder if Samsung will follow through with their recent public promise of immediately suing apple for patent infringing on their LTE technology. Samsunsung holds largest share of LTE patents. I hope Samsung and Motorola win. Sammy said they want immediate sales ban on new iPhone 5 as it infringes on their LTE patent.
I heard HTC had some important patents Apple was already trying to challenge
Who the hell on this planet still cares what crap Crapple throws on us or has to say ?:laugh:
Please don't discuss this here
There's an iPhone thread i nthe XDA General forum. maybe yo uwant to continue there :cyclops:
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[NEWS] HTC Execs in Custody; Accused of Stealing Trade Secrets & Sense 6.0 Designs
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Following reports of internal disarray in May, when several executives departed, HTC has filed a formal complaint out of its offices in Taipei, Taiwan, that several high-level employees stole trade secrets after planning to leaving the company. Several Chinese papers report that HTC's VP of product design Thomas Chien, an R&D director Wu Chien Hung, and design team senior manager Justin Huang were among five employees that planned to leave the company after collecting their mid-year bonuses yesterday.
AUTHORITIES RAIDED HTC'S R&D CENTER YESTERDAY
Engadget's Richard Lai cites several Chinese sources as reporting that HTC "caught Chien secretly downloading files related to the upcoming Sense 6.0 UI design" and sharing the data with external contacts via email. Chien and Wu were reportedly both taken into custody following raids at HTC's R&D center and the suspects' homes and offices.
In addition to stealing trade secrets, HTC also alleges the designers charged elevated fees for their part in the design of HTC's One smartphone. Although the design was done in-house, Lai reports that Chien, Wu, and Huang are accused of using "an external design firm to invoice HTC for over $334,000" before splitting the fee between themselves. The trio have reportedly registered a new design company aimed at the Chinese market, where Focus Taiwan claims they're "likely to work with Chinese smartphone vendors to develop new models, using the technology they stole from HTC." According to the China Post, one suspect at the scene of the R&D raid claimed HTC management was aware of the new business and questioned the reason for the search. It should be noted that, while UDN agrees with the chain of events, it doesn't attribute the comments to suspect, but rather an onlooker.
THE PROBLEMS ARE TWO-FOLD FOR HTC
The problems are two-fold for HTC. As well as allegedly dealing with a major issue of internal fraud, the company also looks likely to lose some very important members of its design team. Huang personally sketched out the design for the HTC One, while Chien spearheads the entire product design team in Taiwan. HTC hasn't commented on any of the revelations, apart from to note that "the matter is under investigation by relevant authorities."
Update: HTC has elaborated on its previous statement, telling us that it "expects employees to observe and practice the highest levels of integrity and ethics. Protecting the company’s proprietary and intellectual properties, privacy and security is a core fundamental responsibility of every employee. The company does not condone any violation. As this matter is currently under investigation by the relevant authorities, we therefore refrain from further comments."
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Well they were leaving so it depends if they were planning to go and work elsewhere, that would be interesting
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It's kind of a strange story and I'm guessing there's more to it than we've heard so far.
Cher Wang, HTC's largest shareholder and Chairman of the Board, filed the charges personally. That's pretty odd.
If $300K was misappropriated in May where were all HTC's checks-and-balances and why was it discovered only when key personnel left the company? Peter Chou is known to be a micro-manager and to have his hands in everything. It's pretty embassing (if true) that he and CFO could miss a $300K scam.
The people that left are heavy hitters; including their VP of Product and the designer who penned the One. Whatever comes from the charges HTC's loss of their design team is going to be an issue.
It's kind of funny to hear about HTC's secret sauce being so valuable that others would steal it or misappropriate it. HTC's sales and stock value have fallen like a rock over the past 24 months and they're projecting a loss for Q3. If Sense hasn't helped HTC what's so "valuable" about it that it's worth stealing? Especially when it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer it anyway.
I guess we'll find out more as the case advances.
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[*]It's kind of funny to hear about HTC's secret sauce being so valuable that others would steal it or misappropriate it. HTC's sales and stock value have fallen like a rock over the past 24 months and they're projecting a loss for Q3. If Sense hasn't helped HTC what's so "valuable" about it that it's worth stealing? Especially when it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer it anyway.
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It's talking about Sense 6, you can't reverse engineer what hasn't been released, and the whole point would be to preempt HTC release. Time to market is pretty important.
Htc sensation robbed htc of one of the best android manufacturers. Htc desire lineup was good then Htc one X, S. were too great devices and now One is best. Htc now just need to push its marketing because many people dont know about it much like they know about samsung and of course they need to focus on great new products. Htc phone have generally higher price unlocked so they need to fight samsung on that front
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HTC's sales and stock value have fallen like a rock over the past 24 months and they're projecting a loss for Q3. If Sense hasn't helped HTC what's so "valuable" about it that it's worth stealing? Especially when it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer it anyway.
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Very true but when you really think about the design team of the HTC One you're talking about HTC's most successful phone to date, both in sales and in critic and user praise. Sure, they didn't outsell the S4/iPhone 5 but look at how many months the HTC One has been #1 in the Official Phone Dog Smartphone Rankings, both by user and expert votes. I consider this a HUGE victory over both Apple and Samsung, especially on the user side, because it's what the average (non-XDA) users see on TV, magazines, ads, billboards, etc. And I believe also that those are the models which are heavily pushed by the salespersons in stores as well. So to think that it's sat at the top of the pack for the better part of the year is at the very least a major victory. And since the Sense design team has gone to a more minimalistic approach of the UI, they've also gained a great deal of praise for the overall software design. I think the most interesting and damaging things that happen here will be mostly behind the scenes and probably never even come to light for us to analyz. As a very long-time HTC fan and loyal user, I hope to see them continue the direction they had going with this, and not lose the momentum they had gained this year. Hopefully this will have very little negative effects overall because I really feel like they got it all right with the One, finally bringing together all the major components they got wrong on previous phones that had just as much potential, but failed in execution. I feel like HTC finally took note of what average users, power users (such as us) and critics/experts. But I guess only time will reveal what's in store for us.
Here’s the deal. Cher Wang and Peter Chou rule HTC with an iron fist. They are singularly responsible for all the decisions that have HTC where it is today. Where is it? Their stock is at an all-time low with 31 out of 33 analysts assigning it a “sell” rating which means they believe there’s little hope for a recovery. They’ve lost revenue, profit, and market share in every YOY quarter for the past 24 months. Because of their loss of sales they now have a scale problem. Producing as few devices as they are they pay more than their competitors for the same components and have lower priority access to scarce components. Their R&D, production costs, and support are distributed over a smaller product base which means their profit is hosed on that front too. Thinking outsiders might help, Cher and Peter brought in a bunch of Western talent. They all left with a bunch of very senior Asians that have been with HTC for years. Now they’ve lost their design team. So we’re back to Cher and Peter, the people responsible for getting HTC in to a mess, working alone to pull them out of it. As Einstein said, “insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.”
The One was their last hope and a chance to prove they could turn themselves around. It is without doubt HTC’s best effort to date but, despite critical acclaim, it has caused HTC to miss their own revenue targets in the last two quarters which means it’s selling below HTC’s own expectations. So with a “bread and butter” phone like the One being as good as it is and not helping HTC gain market share while both Sony and LG have what chance do niche phones like the Mini and Max that sell in far lower quantities have? Their finally approaching emerging markets after their competitors have been there for a year. Who will care? Their component prices prevent them from competing on price and other manufacturers have bigger brand appeal. And the low-cost Desires are no One in terms of design and features.
It was suggested above that product isn’t the issue causing HTC to continue their decline and it’s all based on marketing. Their on record saying that the campaign with RDJ is continuing at their current global marketing spend rate of $500M annually over the next two years. Motorola’s paying $500MM over 4 months just for the launch of the Moto X.
Analysts are betting that HTC will be acquired this year; probably by one of the Chinese brands that could leverage their engineering and production resources. That’s pretty much HTC’s future as even with RDJ, the Mini/Max, and a late push in to emerging markets their relevance, scale, and numbers have declined past the point of a self-driven comeback. With their stock so depressed (and possibly getting worse) HTC will never go away and the lower the stock price goes the more attactive an aquisition candidate they become.
The holiday selling season will be very telling as to the direction of HTC's future.
Well i wont be buying HTC again, if they are still around to make the next phone
Yeah.... Reading all these stories. HTC One will be my last phone. Based on experience. HTC won't survive all these events. We seen it before.... Goodbye HTC...
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one thing we have to admit that htc is pioneer for andoid and by far htc one is the best android handset till the date which had given tough competition to apple in the means of design and looks ya there are some faults with the handset but they can be rectified and only htc one is the single handset in its competitor range which gives you dual sim functionality but can say that htc is going through their tough time bad luck whatever one thing they need to concentrte is marketing coz they are lagging behind in worlds key market like china india where samsung is constantly take the pie through marketing coz samsung also dont innovate much we know that may be its s3 s4 note 1 or note 2 even note 3
i think the real competitor for htc is sony in terms of innovation they are really doing good even in marketing so well lets hope htc can get some good plans from their current position
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i think the real competitor for htc is sony in terms of innovation they are really doing good even in marketing so well lets hope htc can get some good plans from their current position
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Here's a good chart of HTC's performance. Compare the red boxes against each other. Comparing Q1 vs. Q2 of the same year isn't relevant as it doesn't account for seasonality and other variances in quarterly selling conditions. To add insult to injury, 31% more smartphones were sold YOY (225M vs. 154M) in Q2 2013 which means to maintain the same market share (hold their ground) HTC would have had to have sold 31% more devices than in 2012. As the chart shows they sold considerably less. Sony sold 9.5M devices in Q2 2013, a 29% YOY increase. That puts Sony only 200K devices behind ZTE (9.7M) who claimed the number 5 sales spot for the quarter (behind Samsung, Apple, LG, and Lenovo).