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OFFICIAL -- Nexus One Coming to Sprint -- Press release inside.

I guess I know what my next upgrade will be.
Nexus One from Google Coming to Sprint; Availability Date Announced Soon
Nexus One(TM) is planned for the Sprint Mobile Broadband Network with twice the network coverage of AT&T and ten times the network coverage of T-Mobile, both by square miles; Expands Sprint's Android(TM) portfolio
OVERLAND PARK, Kan., Mar 17, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Nexus One, the first wireless phone sold through Google(TM)'s web store, is planned for Sprint's 3G Mobile Broadband Network. Sprint (NYSE:S) will announce pricing and an exact availability date soon. Nexus One will benefit from Sprint's 3G network with twice the coverage of AT&T and 10 times the coverage of T-Mobile, both based on square miles.1
Sprint currently has America's largest voice calling area of any carrier reaching more than 307 million people in the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands with a Sprint phone and plan that includes roaming. PC World recently said no one has a more reliable network than Sprint in a 13 city 3G performance test.2 Customers can check the quality of network coverage with street level mapping at sprint.com/coverage.
"Nexus One is a powerful device that belongs on a powerful network. This is another step in our continued partnership of innovation with Google," said Fared Adib, Sprint vice president of product development. "Sprint customers already have the option of two amazing Android devices with Samsung Moment(TM) and HTC Hero(TM). It is a natural fit for us to add Nexus One to the list of choices available for Sprint customers who want the best value in wireless with the best in Android."
More after the jump:
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoe...ol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1403426&highlight=
EDIT: "A pricing plan has not yet been determined for Nexus One..." Hmmm... I hope I don't have to fork over $500 for this thing.

Oh hell yes !!

illogic6 said:
I guess I know what my next upgrade will be.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoe...ol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1403426&highlight=
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NICE FIND !!! Now let the deliberation begin....... N1 or Supersonic hmmmm

It says it'll be on 3g not 4g....

good find im torn between that and the supersonic atleast if the supersonic falls through i can always get the N1! thanks for sharing the article gives me something to look foward to ...not that i dont love my hero or anything

Thats cool, but now that the supersonic is coming there is no way I would downgrade to a N1. Thats just me though.

That is indeed very exciting. The N1 is a very very very nice phone.

JIZZ IN MY PANTS. am getting it

whichever comes out first will be what i get. supersonic is bad and all but i love the nexus. not to mention the incredible Dev support on the nexus. i live in ky so i could care less about 4g haha. man today has been a good cell phone day

Wow, decisions decisions. Dont know which I'd prefer, the Nexus One or Supersonic.
- 4g would be great but I doubt it'll be available in my area for a while. AND, although I love sense UI, it has obviously kept my Sprint Hero at ver. 1.5. I'm not happy about that.
- N1 is a Google phone so it'll receive all updates as soon as they come out. Plus, I like the noise cancelling mic.

Avalaunchmods said:
whichever comes out first will be what i get. supersonic is bad and all but i love the nexus. not to mention the incredible Dev support on the nexus. i live in ky so i could care less about 4g haha. man today has been a good cell phone day
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I'll agree with you on that one... except that we'll be in the same boat as we are with the GSM Hero...
Nexus CDMA will probably not be compatible with all the Nexus GSM ROMs etc without extra work.
Not a huge deal... better to be that close to the first N1 so we can port their stuff than to have some random crazy phone no one has been developing for.
Also, being able to root more easily would be nice.

Is_907 said:
I'll agree with you on that one... except that we'll be in the same boat as we are with the GSM Hero...
Nexus CDMA will probably not be compatible with all the Nexus GSM ROMs etc without extra work.
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Yes but by doing this Google is essentially giving CDMA more attention/work. It seems like the phone manufacturers where doing hacks(it is fact for the hero) to get CDMA to work. CDMA has been supported since 1.6 but now it seems like Google is fully acknowledging it.

ONLY 2 MONTHS after I got the hero. I wonder if it will have a nice subsidized price?

I hated my Hero up until a 2.1 rom I put on there.....I'm interested in a faster phone to remind me of my iPhone (LOL). I will get whichever is cheapest

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ONLY 2 MONTHS after I got the hero. I wonder if it will have a nice subsidized price?
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It had better. Too broke for a $500 price point.
If that was the case, at least it would make the N1/Supersonic decision easy.

the nexus will be my next upgrade come late this summer then.

this news sucks... only because it makes the decision harder for me Either way, I can't do anything until October when my full rebate kicks in. I will never pay full price for one of these things!

Apex i ITR said:
I hated my Hero up until a 2.1 rom I put on there.....I'm interested in a faster phone to remind me of my iPhone (LOL). I will get whichever is cheapest
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My stock hero was faster than my iPhone 3G and now that Im running 2.1 it's pretty similar in speed to all the 3Gs' I've used.

ill be getting the super sonic...why you ask
snapdragon
4g built in
bigger, higher res screen

Hrm...better list this hero now eh?

[Q] Is Sprint worth keeping?

I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make

Unless Sprint comes out with a bad a$$ phone (and I mean really bad a$$), I'm probably going to jump ship and go to t-mobile or verizon once my contract is up.
Pocket posted, just not sure how...

chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.
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Thank god i dont have to write it up that well!
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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out

One thing to keep in mind is that T-Mobile is planning to upgrade 2/3's of their HSPA+ network to 42 Mbps. They are claiming real world download speeds of 25 Mbps. IMO, nothing beats getting a off contract, unlocked Nexus 1/S and paying something like $5-10 for unlimited data. They do however throttle after 5 GB, so something to keep in mind.

metalfan78 said:
I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out
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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.

For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.

new phones are coming ,they have 2
I want to see what the Evo 2 looks like, and not that cheese mini Evo

swaze said:
For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.
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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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Good for YOU perhaps, not me or my wife.

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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LMAO 500 minutes?!? have two teenage daughters who both text +6000 texts a month plus gab on the phone when not texting. I had Tmobile for the same type plan but without data on two out of three lines I was paying $30 more a month than I am now with sprint. And they said I was on my own when T-mobile pushed a bad update on my cliq that bricked it, even when I had insurance. I was left without a phone, sprint wouldnt do that either.

Sprint is building in a positive direction. T-Mobile isn't too bad but there service is extremely spotty. Verizon & At&t both shot themselves in the heart by locking into iPhone's.
Verizon won't hold the top spot for long with the addition of the iPhone. It really destroys customer service and Apple will limit what other smartphones they can carrier.
T-Mobile actually isn't too bad phone-wise or plan-wise but there service coverage is just tooo spotty. I believe T-Mobile and Sprint will be fighting for the top spot in the industry soon (Or might have a union planned). Reason being, they got the HD2 then Sprint says "Ohh Ohh look at me, checkmate, we've got the Evo!!"
AT&T = lost cause. I hope there cable tv can help them survive. They have too many devices and pretty much nothing that stands out. They were the last to come to the 4G party and won't be up to par anyway.
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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That's a good bachelor plan.
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chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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Here's my comments to this:
HSPA+ on T-mobile? Cool. Except for the fact that my friend has a G2 with it and I can download apps from the market faster on Sprint's 3g than he can on HSPA+
T-mobile gets the best phones? Not really. And there's no indication they will be getting any of the CES talked phones anytime soon.
I think you're considering leaving Sprint at the wrong time.
Things are looking up. They're adding new customers for the first time in years.
They are getting real good phones that are comparable or better than the other carriers. [The Epic and Evo were considered the "best phones in the world" last year, for example]
Sprint is hands down the cheapest.
Their network coverage is second only to Verizon, and allows for free roaming on Verizon as well.
WiMax will come to your area, eventually.
I'm telling you right now though, HSPA+ is slow.
Sprint's 3g is better.
And no, I don't care about some study taken in the perfect settings, I care about reality.
HSPA+ on T-mobile with full bars is slower than Sprint's 3g with half bars.
I did the test myself.

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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.
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I was referring to the crappy design of the g2(hinge), the nexus is top dog, but its a samsung and no sd card slot (wtf?) and the mt4g is great, but I was thinking about support and tmo's lack of timely upgrades. They are more geared towards the younger crowd and not towards tech heads...just my opinion

TMartin03 said:
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!
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I too have been a long time sprint customer; you hit it spot on with this post.
Sent on the go from my HTC EVO

I just came from tmob as well. I for one was pleased with their coverage and service.... for the most part. I had the N1 and damn near cried when I had to hand it over to the Sprint guy for the buy back.
However, I was getting really tired of dropping calls with my wife. That's a local coverage thing but it didn't seem to matter where she or I was, we would get disconnected a lot. We had also started to go over on our minutes which was getting rather pricey.
The last nail in the coffin was when the wife's BB9700 took a crap on her just 1 month after the warranty expired.... big surprise right?
We looked at the Vibrant. Meh. Still on 2.1 (my wife is not into modding her phone or anything so rooted roms don't count for her).
We looked at the G2. Even the tmob salesman said that the hinge mechanism was a piece of crap and didn't recommend the phone.
We looked at the Mytouch 4G. Meh. Running that horrible espresso overlay and you lose the search button for that "Genius" button that couldn't even tell me where the nearest McDonald's was.
So we went to check out Sprint. I always knew that the EVO was one of the top notch pieces of hardware out there and I'm not about to pay the retarded rates that Verizon charges.
So far, very happy with the phone. It's still not my Sexy Nexy but I've got almost all of the same stuff going on it now.
So far, mostly happy with Sprint. No BS when I call with questions. Absolutely no BS when I took my wife's EVO in because the power button wouldn't click. Still worked, just wouldn't click... They replaced it on the spot.... not the button, the whole damn phone. Coverage in my area is so-so. That's to be expected where I live though.
My biggest beef with Sprint is that I can't use data while I'm using voice. That sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.
So, to the OP, I would take a long hard look at how the two carriers compare around the time that you are looking to switch. Then I would look at the hardware available at the time. Then I would make the choice.

T-Mobile has ****-tastic service in Chicago, they blow monkey balls here. The worst building penetration, good luck getting calls in an Basement Office on T-Mobile, or inside skyscrapers. And just random dropped calls daily. I had T-Mo for 3yrs on a few different phones, and all had the same crap service. I traded in my EVO for the Nexus-S at Christmas, ( I am a cell phone addict always upgrading ) anyways, and a week later came running back to Sprint and my EVO. Nexus-S was a cool phone, just not on T-Mo.
6 months I have been on Sprint has been fantastic. Sprint in Chicago is near perfect, never a dropped call, but like once a month maybe, and I get full bars in the Sears Tower, and in Basements. Plus their monthly plan is right there with T-Mo, very good pricing, much cheaper than ATT and Verizon.
And wait until this Summer, when the best smart phone on the market comes out = EVO 2, you will be pissed your on T-Mo.
Bottom Line; yes stick with Sprint. Sprint is the best deal right now, but to me the EVO line is all they got going, which is all I care about anyways, but not many other cool phones on Sprint, the Epic 4G = epic fail, and some other dog pile phones they try to pawn off. Would be cool to see Sprint get the iPhone just to help them get more sales and a better name.

I have been getting more and more frustrated with sprint and today, actually right now the best buy rep is setting up my account with tmobile. Speak with your wallets folks.
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Moto Atrix (Dual C) vs Epic

Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.

Atrix makes sammiches tho

Atrix? Meh.

NoSoMo said:
Just watched a demo of the MOTO Atrix dual core....wow the scrolling is horrible. Side by side with the Epic, the differences are HUGE! It's hard not to smile knowing that the EPIC still dominates even dual core offerings.
I noticed it's an ATT "4G" phone, so after going to ATT site and clicking their 4G link, it took me to a map of blue colored coverage, which oddly enough looks EXACTLY like their 3G coverage. Upon further examination, that's EXACTLY what they show you, the 3G coverage. There are but a small handful of cities that actually implement TMOs HSPA+ '4G'. Just like apple, att using their 'full of ****' marketing practices. It's really sad how much $ apple and att has made selling inferior hardware and service for twice that of which I pay for the Epic on Sprint.
I have 2 Epics, with unlimited everything (except the landline 1500min pool), and both phones plans combined is cheaper than 1 iphone with unlimited everything, except the 4GB worth of data. And that's 3G data!
Man that's so sad. I can't believe how many fools there are out there.
Samsung can't get Froyo right to save their life, but even the Eclair Epic is a better choice than the Atrix.
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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms

Good.luck with the custom kernels on the atrix.
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Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.

brian2220 said:
i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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ghostrid3r said:
Atrix > Epic > Evo
Multi-cores are the future, lets not have a redundant debate on how multi-cores aren't useful until apps and games are optimized for them, we all know how that ended up when PC's went multi-core; And lets not be like the EVO folks who were in denial when the Epic came out.
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i am in denial but I cant wait till cm7 gets here for my girls phone

My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?

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My friend who I have known for 8 years bought the Atrix with the Dock and everything spending $500+. Personally, I would have not invested so much in a device that is not going to easy to make custom kernel's for. Matter of fact, its a locked boot loader which means you are screwed. Even Cyanogen himself said today that he would support the device had it not been for that fact. Still, its kinda cool, but makes developing for it a lot ( LOT ) harder than it should be.
Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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Not the first moto device with a locked boot loader, anything and everything is hackable. Period.
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Yet they make the XOOM developer friendly. Go figure, why would they not choose this with the phone? Do we have the provider to blame? Is it what they want for their phone systems, or are we just being put to a test to see how far developers can push the envelope with the newest phones to make custom roms/kernels?
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XOOM is a "flagship device" all of google's flagship devices are the first to ship with the OS and are VERY developer friendly so far the list is G1,Droid,Nexus 1, Nexus S, XOOM

Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.

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i have both the epic and the atrix
the epic has its winning points and the atrix has its also
the att 4g coverage is 3x better then sprint service in phoenix
its all personal opinion of what people think
i love the atrix 4g and dont really care for the epic because i live in a blind spot but i love the work that is done with the roms
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LOL -- ATT....did someone just defend ATTs service???
Sprint's CLEAR division has LTE in Phoenix running 100Mb down and peak 47Mb uploads.........ATT probably runs their whole network off of one of the LTE connections.
There will always be someone who lives in a dead zone. WiMax ins't there yet, but between Sprint and Verizon's networks, Phoenix couldn't be covered any better. Roms allow for forced roam, which I had on my WinMo 6.5 phone.....and could switch between networks and roam 3G if I had a Sprint issue. It made for the most robust phone I've ever seen anyone in possession of (TP2 was quad band).

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That I agree about the service here... T mobile 3G is faster than our 3G...
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Their 'enhanced' 3G is quite fast....Got over 5Mb on my sisters Samsung Tab sitting 100ft in front of the tower....2Mb up. Damn't Sprint, unlock our WiMax UPLOAD already.......bandwidth is clearly available up and down, it won't do jack to the network if they let us full duplex. I mean, it's a phone..... I couldn't imagine FB pic uploads swamping the network with just a fraction of the HD YouTube streaming

Overstew said:
Honestly, I can not stand AT&T. They have the same pricing as Verizon, yet they're inferior (network wise) to Sprint. The only reason they had a chance in the mobile market industry is because of the iPhone (which I still prefer Android over).
Now that Verizon has iPhone, ATT will probably be bought out by another carrier, or something weird.
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Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.

lviv73 said:
Fck att,i hope they go under.Their costumer support is the worst,when I had iphone 3gs they acted like they were doing me a favor by me staying with them,lol.
I had tmobile and sprint since then and both of these carriers are light years ahead in terms of everything,dont know about verizon but I havent heard nothing bad about them.
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sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon

brian2220 said:
sprints customer service in stores sucks big time **** and thats another reason why i left.
some of the employees are just braindead and dont what is right or left
att and verizon are the best right now and because they know what they are doing and thats why they are so big
sprints barely getting its stupid company ass back in gear after all the years it was behind and watch it fall back down soon
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Almost all store employees are dumb at any carrier.
What counts for sprint and tmobile is that they dont disconnect your service if you dont pay wkthing 2-3 days.I can be 2 weeks late with sprint and not get charged extra and not even have a warning from sprint.
Plus on sprint and tmobile I can download 80gb of movies a month,they dont have data cap.So if you use your phone as your primary internet then tmo and sprint is only choices.
I just wish I dint leave tmobile for sprint because speed was way faster on tmobile,and my promised sprint's 4g never came.

Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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Yeah your ridge about Tue paying the.bill late. I've been late before and they don't even care.
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Lol at swype fail . Jk
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The atrix is a far more powerful device, but the first true dual cores will be powered by omap4 and perhaps 3rd Gen snapdragons or tegra3's. That's when it all really begins.

[POLL] Where will you be going when AT&T Acquires T-Mobile ?

Which carrier will you be going to when this god forsaken act happens ?
I love T-Mobile for the phones , plans , service , and coverage . Tis a sad
day for phone junkys . I will be going to Verizon when this happens . Its
gonna suck not being able to use my G2 anymore , Best phone ive ever
had hands down

Gonna go to SimpleMobile assuming that they don't get effected by the merger. We'll see when that happens. I'm tired of contracts and carrier bull****. I'll always bring my own phones.
I simply won't pay the ridiculous rates Verizon and AT&T charge. I can't stand helping companies that do that to people.
I pay $75 a month on T-Mo (w/ no contract, big plus) including handset protection and taxes, I'd be at about $110+ on Verizon or AT&T. And I'd be in a contract. F that.

At&t obviously
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Sprint. I'll probably switch when the evo 3d is released. No reason to wait for my device to become a paperweight, might as well sell now.
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Won't do business with Sprint again and absolutely despise AT&T so I guess that means Verizon.

IF the service ends up sucking (which given that they screwed up Cingular when they bought them), then I will switch to Verizon. We will see how this goes, if it even gets approved anyway, but at this point in time Verizon looks to have the better LTE network anyway.
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Sprint. I'll probably switch when the evo 3d is released. No reason to wait for my device to become a paperweight, might as well sell now.
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Although the Evo 3D is tempting, I need a physical keyboard. Whoever has a 3D screen, multicore processor and a physical keyboard gets my business.

I don't think after the merger "if" approved our phone will be paper weights I'm not seeing the problem if so I'm sure ugrades and so on will be offered. Most of us on XDA don't even keep our phones for a year so by the time this all happens will be on to the next best dual core device out there. I think with the pressure on the other carriers if this deal is approved we will probably see some good offerings from other companies to solicit our business. I'm sure verizon or sprint would love some tmo customers. Sad to see tmobile go but its the nature of the beast with this economy today were seeing allot of our favorite companies disappear. I've been a tmobile customer for 6+ years and I don't ever recall them being out of the #4 spot. This was bound to happen and I'm almost glad its with at&t then the rumored sprint. I have 5 tmobile phone lines on family plan all I can do is wait and see and make the best choice when its done for my money. I'm actually looking forward to better coverage and more phone choices.
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agreed.
however, i want to see how long i can stay on my even more+ plan with att before making a decision. if i can stay grandfathered in and keep the reduced rate with unlocked phones, maybe i will stay.
thats a big maybe though.

robot_agenda said:
agreed.
however, i want to see how long i can stay on my even more+ plan with att before making a decision. if i can stay grandfathered in and keep the reduced rate with unlocked phones, maybe i will stay.
thats a big maybe though.
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Same. AT&T's CEO said that they are "looking into" keeping the no-contract plans. Which means that they probably won't lol.
If I can stay on my $59.99 plan with no contract, and the service isn't complete abysmal, I'll stay with AT&T. If not, I guess I'll check my other options. Because I completely despise AT&T (as well as Verizon, boo CDMA) I really don't think I'd stay with them unless they can grandfather me in, which I don't think they'll do because they're not contractually obligated to offer me anything.

robot_agenda said:
agreed.
however, i want to see how long i can stay on my even more+ plan with att before making a decision. if i can stay grandfathered in and keep the reduced rate with unlocked phones, maybe i will stay.
thats a big maybe though.
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same for me i think... we'll just ride it out for now.
ive also heard about simple mobile, maybe ill check them out.

Mog said:
same for me i think... we'll just ride it out for now.
ive also heard about simple mobile, maybe ill check them out.
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Simple Mobiles uses TMO's 3G towers. The same towers ATT wants to build their 4G on. Which means no more 3G towers.

Who says simple mobile won't be paying att for the towers?
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sprint
if the deal goes through,and the customer service starts going to **** like at&t is known for and pricing starts rising im outta here,will def look into sprint cuz there prices are good as well as there coverage,and they got some pretty nice phones right now(evo 4g,epic 4g,evo shift) so im guessing in a year they will have better faster phones all with FFC and dual-cores....hopefully

I would love to leave right now because I'm honestly just pissed off at T-Mobile as a company (I know that DT did it, but it's a branch of them) and I don't want to give them anymore business, but, I don't have the luxury of paying $1000 to pay the ETF fees on the account.
I'll be pretty screwed if AT&T doesn't nullify contracts and let people leave.

Most likely Sprint. They're currently the closest to T-Mobile in pricing and unlimited data. Plus it looks like Sprint and Google are gonna be working more closely with the full integration of Google Voice and Google building their new gigabit broadband network in Sprint's backyard.
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I'm going to have to go with Sprint as well. Even though their coverage where I am at isn't the greatest, they're the only other company that can get close to the rate plans that Tmobile offers.
Also: bugger paying $30/mo for a a data plan that I LITERALLY MUST PURCHASE TO ACTIVATE THE DEVICE even though Verizon has no 3g or 4g coverage in my area. God forbid I actually utilize a smartphone as a cellphone by turning off my data connection whenever possible. I already do this on Tmobile as they have zero 3g coverage in my zone and will likely continue doing it into the future.
Telecoms in the US are holding the consumer over a burning cauldron of oil and splitting them in half in the name of "good customer service." This unmitigated greed will not be stopped by those who are charged with protecting the populace from the foibles of big business.
Edit 2: Okay so I've done comparative pricing between my current Tmobile plan and a rough equivalent on ATT. All in all I would be paying an additional $6 dollars before tax and fees for 50 less minutes and no insurance on my device. The fact that unlimited texts cost $20/month is absolutely absurd as lets face it, that calculates out to something like just over a grand per MB of data transferred
In short: Go set your head on fire ATT. I will remove myself from the 21st century and forgo the conveniences of smartphones if it means giving you any of my money. I'll live in a box under a bridge enjoying sprint band coverage on virgin mobile for $25/month with unlimited text data and 300 talk minutes.

Simplemobile maybe a good alternative but I'm holding out for the LG phone which is supposedly going to work with at&t 3g signal as well T mobiles. Also my main concern is how Android friendly at&t will be since they are still committed primary to the iphone?
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i intend to find out if the gov't approves, then i am going to upgrade all 3 phones on my plan, and lock in my plan for 3+ years, even if ATT acquires Tmo, they will have to honor all the existing contracts for at least a few years, that we we can see the prices level out with only 3 "large" carriers...I would have to pay 75+ more dollars for a comparable plan to my tmo plan on ATT, and thats just nuts, to step down on the customer support and network quality is just crazy, but in a way since all us tmo people have good service, i see that the added towers to ATT's network will improve it for everyone, and thats why ATT wants Tmo, a 'cheap' way to 4g, not to mention the spectrum space.

Sprint for sure my parents just switched from ATT after 7 years to sprint cause I pushed them to do it, and I'm waiting for the evo 3d to come out so I can make my move.
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Sprints new network questions.....

After reading the announcement from this mornings strategy meeting I have a few questions bouncing around in my head. Was wondering if anyone here might know the answers. First, and most important, what happens to all the phones that are currently set for their 4g? Will they still work on the new network or is the change in band only for the 4g? I.e. if I were to buy a epic touch 4g would I still have 3g and the end of 2012 or would I have to buy another handset?
Secondly, wtf? Where did all the money go that I/we have been pouring into sprint for the 4g that most, myself included haven't been receiving? Is that the money that sprint just announced it would be spending to buy into apple? That's not what I signed up for.
Rant over.
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downyours said:
After reading the announcement from this mornings strategy meeting I have a few questions bouncing around in my head. Was wondering if anyone here might know the answers. First, and most important, what happens to all the phones that are currently set for their 4g? Will they still work on the new network or is the change in band only for the 4g? I.e. if I were to buy a epic touch 4g would I still have 3g and the end of 2012 or would I have to buy another handset?
Secondly, wtf? Where did all the money go that I/we have been pouring into sprint for the 4g that most, myself included haven't been receiving? Is that the money that sprint just announced it would be spending to buy into apple? That's not what I signed up for.
Rant over.
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They are committing to selling WiMax devices all though next year which implies support for much longer although they currently only have in place agreements with clearwire through the end of next year.
A crazed lady at the end of the call pissed the hesse and others off by questioning that they knew nothing about clearwire potential bankruptcy since they are 54% stake holders in the company. My take away is that sprint plans for Clearwire to fail and take the spectrum for themselves in bankruptcy court.
Oh but the epic 4g touch would take advantage of the 1x advanced 3g technology, but for 4G you are stuck with WiMax.

They said they'd continue to support WiMax. I would think eventually it would get phased out many years down the road, but if you don't have WiMax right now, I wouldn't expect it in the future (which sucks for me). At least LTE is supposed to be done by the end of 2013 and they start selling LTE capable handsets about the same time my contract is up. Any desire I had to upgrade early to the Nexus Prime (if it even lands on Sprint) or the Epic Touch just went out the window. I'll wait until I can get an LTE handset as my Epic is more than fine in the meantime.

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They said they'd continue to support WiMax. I would think eventually it would get phased out many years down the road, but if you don't have WiMax right now, I wouldn't expect it in the future (which sucks for me). At least LTE is supposed to be done by the end of 2013 and they start selling LTE capable handsets about the same time my contract is up. Any desire I had to upgrade early to the Nexus Prime (if it even lands on Sprint) or the Epic Touch just went out the window. I'll wait until I can get an LTE handset as my Epic is more than fine in the meantime.
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Exactly the argument that I was making. It would be pointless for anyone to buy new phones at this point. Which sucks because I really wanted to buy the epic touch or the nexus.
Basically they are writing checks that they can't cash. And they are going get it because they are practically forcing people to get new phones. They have announced 20 billion to be spent on apple over 4 years and now the new network which will cost who knows how much.
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They said they'd continue to support WiMax. I would think eventually it would get phased out many years down the road, but if you don't have WiMax right now, I wouldn't expect it in the future (which sucks for me). At least LTE is supposed to be done by the end of 2013 and they start selling LTE capable handsets about the same time my contract is up. Any desire I had to upgrade early to the Nexus Prime (if it even lands on Sprint) or the Epic Touch just went out the window. I'll wait until I can get an LTE handset as my Epic is more than fine in the meantime.
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Agreed, I've got no desire to upgrade right now. I don't really even understand how an iPhone user could justify coming to sprint. 3G will continue to be slow and if you buy an iPhone now, you are locked into 3G until 2013. It may keep some people with upgrades from leaving sprint though.

It looks like they will be continuing to support WiMAX until at least the end of 2012. They didn't really say what is happening after that, but I'm guessing that they'll still have significant WiMAX coverage through most of 2013.
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The company plans for a rapid deployment of this new 4G network, with the first LTE markets and handsets to hit in mid-2012, and the full rollout mostly completed by 2013. Current subscribers signed up for WiMAX plans won't have to worry as their devices will continue to be supported throughout 2012.
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By the end of next year, Sprint aims to have a combined WiMAX/LTE population coverage of 176 million -- with 123 million covered by LTE and 76 million overlapping both. When the network build-out is nearly complete in 2013, the company should have over 250 million blanketed in LTE, far outstripping the stagnant 120 million served by WiMAX.
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Agreed, I've got no desire to upgrade right now. I don't really even understand how an iPhone user could justify coming to sprint. 3G will continue to be slow and if you buy an iPhone now, you are locked into 3G until 2013. It may keep some people with upgrades from leaving sprint though.
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Are you kidding? None of the iphone variants support 4g? The only difference is the att version supports HSPA+, which is certainly not 4g.
Also, nearly every phone sold will be upgradeable to 1x advanced, which considering this advanced 3g tech can reach speeds as fast or faster than current wimax, i don't think you'll be missing out on alot
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DiGi760 said:
It looks like they will be continuing to support WiMAX until at least the end of 2012. They didn't really say what is happening after that, but I'm guessing that they'll still have significant WiMAX coverage through most of 2013.
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This statement is a little inaccurate, as the statement made was that wimax devices will continue to be SOLD through 2012. As with nearly every cell technology, you can expect to still be able to utilize it for a long time.
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Exactly the argument that I was making. It would be pointless for anyone to buy new phones at this point. Which sucks because I really wanted to buy the epic touch or the nexus.
Basically they are writing checks that they can't cash. And they are going get it because they are practically forcing people to get new phones. They have announced 20 billion to be spent on apple over 4 years and now the new network which will cost who knows how much.
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One thing you need to remember is that this cost is spread out, so about 5bil a year, and sprint is nearing the start of the lightsquared deal, which will PAY sprint money...the figure i can't remember, but I think it was close to that same cost. So effectively, they may only be paying for the network upgrade.
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They are committing to selling WiMax devices all though next year which implies support for much longer although they currently only have in place agreements with clearwire through the end of next year.
A crazed lady at the end of the call pissed the hesse and others off by questioning that they knew nothing about clearwire potential bankruptcy since they are 54% stake holders in the company. My take away is that sprint plans for Clearwire to fail and take the spectrum for themselves in bankruptcy court.
Oh but the epic 4g touch would take advantage of the 1x advanced 3g technology, but for 4G you are stuck with WiMax.
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That lady was a complete idiot. She argued against sprint spending 6bil on a new LTE network (that's nearly half complete mind you) when it would only take 600mil to upgrade clearwires network to LTE. What she seriously failed to understand is that clearwires total footprint is much less than 1/10th of the projected total footprint that will be covered by sprint's 1900mhz lte, and therefore this is more cost effective. She sounded like a typical misinformed PTA member.
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Just go about your business and buy phones when you need them and stop worrying about this bs and people will come to sprint for the iphone cuz they will want unlimited data. I would not be with another carrier simply because I would go over 2 gb every month and f**k a $200 + every month that's just retarted
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jbadboy2007 said:
Just go about your business and buy phones when you need them and stop worrying about this bs and people will come to sprint for the iphone cuz they will want unlimited data. I would not be with another carrier simply because I would go over 2 gb every month and f**k a $200 + every month that's just retarted
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Sprint just slapped a limit on "wifi tethering" data to 5GB. What makes you think they won't do something similar to "handset" data once iPhone users come crawling around the corner?
I really think that was a step in the wrong direction for Sprint considering what people already pay to get wifi tethering... Now they have to pay the same price and get a big fat limit on their service... Not even grandfathered in to the new policy either

Cuz the unlimited data is the only reason that new iphone users would stay. During the strategy meeting dan hesse said over and over that sprints brand is unlimited data and they are changing the rest of the company to fit that brand. So honestly you have nothing to worry about as far as your phone goes
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stilesja said:
Agreed, I've got no desire to upgrade right now. I don't really even understand how an iPhone user could justify coming to sprint. 3G will continue to be slow and if you buy an iPhone now, you are locked into 3G until 2013. It may keep some people with upgrades from leaving sprint though.
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people will still come to sprint man. no iphone supports 4g capability at all yet in the US. people will come for the unlimited data and cheaper price plan. i know im adding a line to my account to get one. im no apple fanboy but the phone is pretty sweet so ill have my epic and iphone. Im deff waitin on LTE network to deploy before upgrading my epic tho. pic has ben hands down best phone ive ever had and wouldnt settle for anything without a keyboard

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Cuz the unlimited data is the only reason that new iphone users would stay. During the strategy meeting dan hesse said over and over that sprints brand is unlimited data and they are changing the rest of the company to fit that brand. So honestly you have nothing to worry about as far as your phone goes
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That shut me up. Finally, someone in the community who answers questions instead of snyde comments. Thank you <3