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AC Charging problem with original charger & new battery

Hi!
I had a battery probelm (same one everyone else seemed to get with there 1yr old uni) where it cuts out at 60% due to the voltage from the battery dropping below the threshold really fast.
Anyway I got a new battery .. my old one was 1650ma (or something like that) I got this new one which is 1750ma (or something like that).. definitely different.
Now I plug my original charger (5v 1a) into the pda and the charge light turns on .. I leave it for an hour and the battery hasn't charged any.. in fact its lost charge as you'd expect if it had been left switched on with no supply.
So.. I plug my motorola krzr charger (5v 550ma) into it and go for a shower/sh*t/shave come back and the battery has gained 10%.. great! atleast I can charge it now.
I also have a desktop cradle charger (5v 1a), same problem.. it sits there forever and a day and discharges... no charge.. (I only got it when I got my new battery so could not prove it before hand)
USB charging works with no problems (not from the cradle one though). So my question is ... Why?
Could it be something to do with my new battery?? I got it from PDAAddons and they've always been good in the past so I believe I can rule out it being a fake.
My new battery is a Li-on Poly.. I've got to admit I didn't look at my old one to see if that was a poly too ... was definitely a li-on though.
I can live with using my moto charger on my exec but unfortunately the ac adapter for my cradle is of a different connector type (female pin sleeve thingy like nokia) so before I search the world for a 5v 550ma version I could do with knowing if i'm barking up the wrong tree and about to waste my money..
Any electronics whizzes in the house say ho!

anyone? :''-(

Aahaahaa!
I'm here! Now, what you say sounds very interesting and yet very strange, why?
- Normally more current from the charger should be better, you cannot put in the PDA more current than it's factory maximum (which I don't know how much it is, but that's not a problem), the internal charger (inside the PDA) knows how much it is and how to limit, also takes care of the right charging profile for your battery.
- You don't have to worry about the exact battery type you bought, boths are Lithium, so chargind profiles are mostly the same, these (LiIon and LiPoly) are "exchangeable" usually (I've heard of no problems until now, since several years I mean).
- If your battery is discharging means only one thing, you're not puttin current into the battery, you're taking it out of it! So, either you might have a deffective charger, a deffective charging circuit (the one inside the PDA) or a defective battery.
- You can charge the battery with your Moto's charger, so battery is probably ok, you have used your original charger/craddle until now, so they might be ok, you have charged one battery at least to 10% so PDA should be ok.
What can it be?
Possibilities are:
Slightly deffective PDA's internal charging circuit, the fact that you can charge with a lower rating charger (the one for your Razr, thing that I've done myself two weeks ago), might point to this, because you have already "limited" the maximum current to 550mA (Razr's charger max current).
Slightly different battery, most of the batteries do have some kind of thermal protection circuit inside (chip + temp sensor, etc.), if the behavior of this circuit is not "compatible" somethin strange can happen, however I personally consider this option not to be the best.
One or two of your chargers might also be somehow "deffective", why? Your original battery might be ok and you are just having problems with your chargers or your High capacity chargers (the original one and that from the craddle) have some problem to give enough juice to your batteries.
I surely might proceed as follows:
try to charge both batteries with a stand alone charger, this is not an easy task, because Lithium batteries are the most "delicate" types, charging method is the "strangest" one, I have two stand alone battery chargers that came as gift with some Nokia batteries I bought from an Ebay seller, eventually, I could give you the full schematic so you can construct it (if you want and if you can).
In this way I will not have any more suspects from the batteries.
Second, test each of my chargers, it can be done by connecting a medium -and suitable- load to each charger for some minutes.
A wire wound ceramic resistor should do the trick, ie for the Razr charger (5V, 550mA) I could use a 250mA load, R=V/I, so 5V/.25A equals 20 ohm (1.25W max power, use at least a 2W resistor, 3 or 5W better).
If the internal PDA circuit should be defective, take it to fix or try to fix for yourself.
Hope this helps

kecido said:
Aahaahaa!
I'm here! Now, what you say sounds very interesting and yet very strange, why?
- Normally more current from the charger should be better, you cannot put in the PDA more current than it's factory maximum (which I don't know how much it is, but that's not a problem), the internal charger (inside the PDA) knows how much it is and how to limit, also takes care of the right charging profile for your battery.
- You don't have to worry about the exact battery type you bought, boths are Lithium, so chargind profiles are mostly the same, these (LiIon and LiPoly) are "exchangeable" usually (I've heard of no problems until now, since several years I mean).
- If your battery is discharging means only one thing, you're not puttin current into the battery, you're taking it out of it! So, either you might have a deffective charger, a deffective charging circuit (the one inside the PDA) or a defective battery.
- You can charge the battery with your Moto's charger, so battery is probably ok, you have used your original charger/craddle until now, so they might be ok, you have charged one battery at least to 10% so PDA should be ok.
What can it be?
Possibilities are:
Slightly deffective PDA's internal charging circuit, the fact that you can charge with a lower rating charger (the one for your Razr, thing that I've done myself two weeks ago), might point to this, because you have already "limited" the maximum current to 550mA (Razr's charger max current).
Slightly different battery, most of the batteries do have some kind of thermal protection circuit inside (chip + temp sensor, etc.), if the behavior of this circuit is not "compatible" somethin strange can happen, however I personally consider this option not to be the best.
One or two of your chargers might also be somehow "deffective", why? Your original battery might be ok and you are just having problems with your chargers or your High capacity chargers (the original one and that from the craddle) have some problem to give enough juice to your batteries.
I surely might proceed as follows:
try to charge both batteries with a stand alone charger, this is not an easy task, because Lithium batteries are the most "delicate" types, charging method is the "strangest" one, I have two stand alone battery chargers that came as gift with some Nokia batteries I bought from an Ebay seller, eventually, I could give you the full schematic so you can construct it (if you want and if you can).
In this way I will not have any more suspects from the batteries.
Second, test each of my chargers, it can be done by connecting a medium -and suitable- load to each charger for some minutes.
A wire wound ceramic resistor should do the trick, ie for the Razr charger (5V, 550mA) I could use a 250mA load, R=V/I, so 5V/.25A equals 20 ohm (1.25W max power, use at least a 2W resistor, 3 or 5W better).
If the internal PDA circuit should be defective, take it to fix or try to fix for yourself.
Hope this helps
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I'm gunna buy another 5v 1a charger .. I've had it reported that this cradle charger (5v 1a) doesn't work properly anyway so it may be 2 seperate problems here Thanks for you advice fella much appreciated

Charging anomaly, workaround
vbJoe said:
...Now I plug my original charger (5v 1a) into the pda and the charge light turns on ..
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Are you absotively, posilutely certain the AMBER charge light comes on fully?
I leave it for an hour and the battery hasn't charged any.. in fact its lost charge as you'd expect if it had been left switched on with no supply.
So.. I plug my motorola krzr charger (5v 550ma) into it and go for a shower/sh*t/shave come back and the battery has gained 10%.. great! atleast I can charge it now.
I also have a desktop cradle charger (5v 1a), same problem.. it sits there forever and a day and discharges... no charge.. (I only got it when I got my new battery so could not prove it before hand)
USB charging works with no problems (not from the cradle one though). So my question is ... Why?...
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There is some anomaly about charging with a plug-in charger. You may have to turn the device on so that it can recognize the charger, then close it and let it turn itself off; or perhaps it's turn it off then on, I'm not sure, but I've encountered similar oddities with both 110v, 220v, and 12v chargers, and I've seen discussion about this anomaly on this and/or other fora. Once you get the AMBER light, you're fine (as long as it's putting out at least +5v; +5.5 is better).
I think it has something to do with its looking for a [non-existent] USB signal along with the voltage under some conditions, but not others, but that's just a wild guess. Anyway, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with your battery, device, or charger. Hope this helps. Cheers,

Thanks for the reply, I'm 100% that the amber light turns on. Not only that the screen brightens so it definitely knows its connected. I've tried several combinations of turning it off/on etc during the charge/before but nothing seems to make this desktop charger actually put anything in the battery.

Power adaptors

Anyone seen where to buy extra power adapters? Be nice to have one with a longer cable. Stock one is very short.
Wish it was USB charged....
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http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/acer-iconia-tab-a500-forum/13840-chargers.html
Found another forum discussing the lame power cable.
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I couldn't stand it anymore so I snipped my wire and added another 4 ft.

I have been trying to get an additional PSU and car charger for my Acer. Went to Frys, tried almost EVERYTHING they have on those Universal PSU and NONE of them work in the pin connector for the Acer. What gives!
Try to get a free tip for my Energizer Xpal and also result in zero search. Any fellows have a pointer to where in getting the right tip? Thx

So far the ONLY one that I have found that works is the Enercell 12 / 1.5 with the 'G' tip, but it's like $30 at RadioShack. The tip itself is a little long and if it wiggles it will stop/start charging off and on.
I'm working with a few people to find some at decent price for us.

anyone measured the dimensions of the charging tip at all? If worse comes to worse we could always buy a generic 12v 1.5a AC adapter from ebay and buy the tip separately to solder on.
The USB port wont be able to charge the tablet fast enough and the battery will still drain. I've found that this happens on my Xperia X10 mobile phone. I have to disable 3G data in order get it to start charging.

julz said:
anyone measured the dimensions of the charging tip at all? If worse comes to worse we could always buy a generic 12v 1.5a AC adapter from ebay and buy the tip separately to solder on.
The USB port wont be able to charge the tablet fast enough and the battery will still drain. I've found that this happens on my Xperia X10 mobile phone. I have to disable 3G data in order get it to start charging.
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The 'g' tip for the Encercell is 1.1mm x 3.0mm
Hope that helps

thanks for hte dimensions... unfortunately they don't sell that brand over here in Australia. I'm also reluctant to pay ~$30 for a charger.
I wonder if one of the round tips on this USB charger would fit:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/10-in-1-usb-powered-charging-cable-for-ipod-psp-cell-phones-34674
It may still charge if the device is switched off completely.

atomicwedgie said:
I couldn't stand it anymore so I snipped my wire and added another 4 ft.
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Yeah nice one, I was thinking of doing the very same thing as it should not cause any problems.
So did it go ok, what did you use for the extra wire?
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I can confirm the Radio Shack Enercell (12vdc, 1.5a) with the 'G' tip works. Picked one up today for $29 (get the tip for free) and its currently charging the Acer as I type this.
Tip: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807935
Plug: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807944&numProdsPerPage=60

MJ-12 said:
Yeah nice one, I was thinking of doing the very same thing as it should not cause any problems.
So did it go ok, what did you use for the extra wire?
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No charging difference at all except I don't have to have my face mashed up against the wall while it charges.
I used a piece of wire from an old 1amp charger I had. The extra piece doesn't even get slighty warm. 1.5 amps isn't all that much juice. I did solder the connetions too.

huh and it is only $10 for a new one.
http://us-store.acer.com/product.aspx?pn=LC.ADT0A.024

atomicwedgie said:
huh and it is only $10 for a new one.
http://us-store.acer.com/product.aspx?pn=LC.ADT0A.024
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Even at $10 it is grossly overpriced
Acer needs to offer a PS with a six foot cable that is not crazy thin like the stock PS.

rushless said:
Even at $10 it is grossly overpriced
Acer needs to offer a PS with a six foot cable that is not crazy thin like the stock PS.
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True story

Did a quick google on my powersupply PSA18R-120P.
Came up with http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/284284/PHIHONG/PSA18R-120P.html
or
http://www.phihongusa.com/html/pr_psa18r-120p.html
"The PSA18R-120P is priced at $10.23 per unit at OEM quantities"
Assuming they bought off the shelf:
DC Output Connector
2.1x5.5mm Center Positive Standard
For us australians: Going to see if I can visit Jaycar and will report back in with what I find.

Wal-Mart Car Charger
The Wal-Mart Car charger for portable DVD players works perfect.
a quick look at the wall power supply says that it it needs 12V at 1.5 amps with center of tip positive.
The Wal-Mart car charger puts out 2000ma (2amps), and has a tip that works.. It works PERFECT and it only costs 15 bux.
usb charging is out.. usb is only 5V at 500 ma (.5 amp).. not sure why everybody complains about wanting USB to charge their tablet. Even if they did add it, it would take so terribly long to charge it, you would get mad. With the proper charger and voltage, it only takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge the thing...
Good luck!

mikldom said:
The Wal-Mart Car charger for portable DVD players works perfect.
a quick look at the wall power supply says that it it needs 12V at 1.5 amps with center of tip positive.
The Wal-Mart car charger puts out 2000ma (2amps), and has a tip that works.. It works PERFECT and it only costs 15 bux.
usb charging is out.. usb is only 5V at 500 ma (.5 amp).. not sure why everybody complains about wanting USB to charge their tablet. Even if they did add it, it would take so terribly long to charge it, you would get mad. With the proper charger and voltage, it only takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge the thing...
Good luck!
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This has been a topic of discussions for a LONG time hopefully you'll know.... Couldn't there be a potential issue with charging at 2 amps when it calls for 1.5?? I was told you could use less but not ore without causing damage to the battery?
I have a 'demo' on the way from overseas to try that I should get Wednesday. I will let you know ASAP.
This is a big issue with me as I prefer a charger at home and the office and I'd like something that I can charge on my desk 'without my face mashed up against the wall' (as atomicwedgie so perfectly put it)

it2steve said:
This has been a topic of discussions for a LONG time hopefully you'll know.... Couldn't there be a potential issue with charging at 2 amps when it calls for 1.5?? I was told you could use less but not ore without causing damage to the battery?
I have a 'demo' on the way from overseas to try that I should get Wednesday. I will let you know ASAP.
This is a big issue with me as I prefer a charger at home and the office and I'd like something that I can charge on my desk 'without my face mashed up against the wall' (as atomicwedgie so perfectly put it)
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The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.

silic0re said:
The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.
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Absolutely correct.

silic0re said:
The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.
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Yes... pulling too much amperage is a very bad thing.

Pipo Max M1 charging issues maybe fried

Apologies if I don’t have the right forum lads,
I bought a Pipo Max M1 tablet about 3 months ago. I loved it , a very good tablet.
I bought a second one for my nephew as a Xmas present.
Before I gave it to him I charged it using my own charger a 5V, 2.5mA charger.
Then I took it to him in Greece.
Now when I went to Greece I never took my charger with me, I assume my nephews charger would do just fine.
When both tablets were discharged I used my newphews charger. This charger was a 12V, 1.5mA charger totally different from the one which came with my tablet.
When I used the 12V, 1.5mA the tablets showed both 100% charge in 2-3 minutes and then both discharged in less than 1 minute, clearly something wrong with that charger. Both tablets never charged again and where completely drained.
Now when I came back to the UK and used my charger (which was working from the start) , my tablet will not charge, it will not turn on and the tablet will get really hot when the jack plug is located when I hook it up to the power supply.
Is it possible the tablet is fried because of the wrong charger that came with the second tablet?
Could it be a matter of taking it to a technician and fixing it?
Any ideas guys?
Thanks in advance and looking forward to your reply

I have the same problem with you. They sent me the wrong charger (9V, 2.5A). The tablet was dead after 3 minutes. Now i'm waiting to receive the right charger.
Try to reset your tablet from the small hole in the back side. otherwise, you can try this http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/38865-dead-pipo/page__st__20__p__471674#entry471674

panospc said:
I have the same problem with you. They sent me the wrong charger (9V, 2.5A). The tablet was dead after 3 minutes. Now i'm waiting to receive the right charger.
Try to reset your tablet from the small hole in the back side. otherwise, you can try this http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/38865-dead-pipo/page__st__20__p__471674#entry471674
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Panospc I have tried the reset button quite a few times but the batteries are completely drained!
Also I tried the method outlined in your link , although i had to cut the red cable and reconnect it but nothing happened.
My worry is that the tablet now overheats where the power supply plugs in.
Did your tablet overheat when plugged into the power supply without charging or turning on? Does it work now?
Thanks for your help by the way

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Did your tablet overheat when plugged into the power supply without charging or turning on? Does it work now?
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I have only the 9V 2.5A charger right now, with this charger, both tablet and charger was cold all the time after 4 hours of charging. The tablet is not turning on. When I get the 5V, 2.5A charger I will inform you.
If you have a multimeter, try to measure the voltage of the battery, maybe the voltage is higher or lower than normal.

panospc said:
I have only the 9V 2.5A charger right now, with this charger, both tablet and charger was cold all the time after 4 hours of charging. The tablet is not turning on. When I get the 5V, 2.5A charger I will inform you.
If you have a multimeter, try to measure the voltage of the battery, maybe the voltage is higher or lower than normal.
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Yes I had the same issue when I was trying to get different adapters to work with the tablet.
I have ordered two seperate adapters from ebay both at 5V,2000 mA which the seller described specifically for the M1. I will post them to Greece and hopefully they will work.
Regarding my tablet as I am no expert, is it possible you think my tablet was fried?Can it come back to life?
A highest voltage adapter than 5V (the 12 V that I used) , do you think it burned the unit?
Thanks again ( PS: I think you are Greek?)

mtdgr said:
Thanks again ( PS: I think you are Greek?)
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Yes, PM me if you want, it would be easier for me to talk in Greek.

panospc said:
Yes, PM me if you want, it would be easier for me to talk in Greek.
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Will PM you mate cheers
PS: I just got feedback from a technician and he said the unit is dead. I am starting to give up hope! shame!

maybe this suggestion will be work but i am not for sure.
i will take no reponsibilities of damages!
1. try to change battery.
2. unsoldered the battery from tablet and try to to relive with the correct charger ( maybe cut the cable of charger and connect the right pins to relive the battery)
3. connect tablet with the correct charger without battery to see if your table still lives.
good luck

KindsKoPP said:
maybe this suggestion will be work but i am not for sure.
i will take no reponsibilities of damages!
1. try to change battery.
2. unsoldered the battery from tablet and try to to relive with the correct charger ( maybe cut the cable of charger and connect the right pins to relive the battery)
3. connect tablet with the correct charger without battery to see if your table still lives.
good luck
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Thanks for the advise mate
1. try to change battery.
no idea where to get a compatible replacement , if you can advise thats great
2. unsoldered the battery from tablet and try to to relive with the correct charger ( maybe cut the cable of charger and connect the right pins to relive the battery)
are you saying straight connection of the two battery cables to the power supply? will this not damage the battery even further? my charger is a 5V and the battery on top it says 3.7 V?
3. connect tablet with the correct charger without battery to see if your table still lives.
tried it no luck!

I got a 5V, 2A charger from ebay and my tablet works fine now.
I guess that the tablet has a circuit before the battery that prevents charging if the voltage is higher than 5v. So I think that this circuit was fried from the 12V charger and the current doesn't reach the battery and other parts of the tablet. You have to find a way to connect the tablet to an external charged battery with the same voltage to see if the tablet is alive, I think most mobile phones have a 3.7V battery also.

panospc said:
I got a 5V, 2A charger from ebay and my tablet works fine now.
I guess that the tablet has a circuit before the battery that prevents charging if the voltage is higher than 5v. So I think that this circuit was fried from the 12V charger and the current doesn't reach the battery and other parts of the tablet. You have to find a way to connect the tablet to an external charged battery with the same voltage to see if the tablet is alive, I think most mobile phones have a 3.7V battery also.
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panos good to know your unit is working fine!
there are three cables when I open the tablet
1 red
1 black
1 grey
what's this grey cable doing? According to your advise, should I connect the red and black cables to an external 3.7V battery?
I read in a couple of forums that I can jump start the battery...how is this possible? any instructions/procedure?

mtdgr said:
what's this grey cable doing?
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I think the gray cable is for WiFi antenna.
mtdgr said:
According to your advise, should I connect the red and black cables to an external 3.7V battery?
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Yes, Make sure you connect it with the correct polarity, red wire is positive and black wire is negative.

Thank you Panos
I will give it a try and will let you know!and fingers crossed!
Ps: if you hear in the news about a house exploding in newcastle that would be me messing up the battery connection!!
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Hi guys I've got the same problem. I got my PIPO m1, but it didn't switch on with or without charger. I disassembled device and charched battery straight. So, after 8 hours of charching it has just 3.25 volt. And if I connect charger to the unit, voltage on its motherboard is 0.5 volt (battery is desoldered at this moment). It can't be the problem of charger, cause I used several ones (5V, 2.5A).
And! The main point! Stock charger was from PIPO m2 so it has 9V Unfortunately, I noticed it after my first charching tryings.
For now I've got a brick. Have you got any ideas what i can do to reanimate it?? ( Thanks!

SpookyXDA said:
Hi guys I've got the same problem. I got my PIPO m1, but it didn't switch on with or without charger. I disassembled device and charched battery straight. So, after 8 hours of charching it has just 3.25 volt. And if I connect charger to the unit, voltage on its motherboard is 0.5 volt (battery is desoldered at this moment). It can't be the problem of charger, cause I used several ones (5V, 2.5A).
And! The main point! Stock charger was from PIPO m2 so it has 9V Unfortunately, I noticed it after my first charching tryings.
For now I've got a brick. Have you got any ideas what i can do to reanimate it?? ( Thanks!
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SpookyXDA I will follow panos advise today and try to connect the tablet straight to an external 3.7v battery.
Also I will try and find a 3.7v charger and connect the battery straight to that charger and see how it goes!
I have the feeling the circuit board , like panos said above, was fried at a point due to the 12V (in my case and I think the same for you since you used a 9V). If anyone is here has good imagination and creativity on how to overcome and bypass the fried portion on the circuit that would be great!
i can upload a couple of photos if that helps!

I will wait for your results!

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I will wait for your results!
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Iam afraid none of the things i tried works...i need to find replacement parts if this is going to work..i think a small section of the circuit board if fried.
When the rablet is plugged into the power supply it gets very warm which means electeicity goes through but i doesnt reach the battery
Any idea where to get replacement parts guys??
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Okay, i still got a couple of ideas to reanimate device. If everything goes well, I'll write about it here.

SpookyXDA said:
Okay, i still got a couple of ideas to reanimate device. If everything goes well, I'll write about it here.
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Let me know how it goes mate
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If it is impossible to fix, I am interested to buy it because I'm looking for some spare parts.

[Q] Lost original charger, replacement

Hi you guys, I lost my original charger on a coffee shop and I ordered one on ebay, It came today but Im afraid it is not the same model than the original one (I have the wrap of the original one on my box). Since I cant compare this one with the original one, would you please confirm that this one will work all right on my phone with the following specs:
Input: 100-240v 50/60hz 0.2A
Output: 5.1V, 0.7A
Thank you in advance for your help.

donchele said:
Hi you guys, I lost my original charger on a coffee shop and I ordered one on ebay, It came today but Im afraid it is not the same model than the original one (I have the wrap of the original one on my box). Since I cant compare this one with the original one, would you please confirm that this one will work all right on my phone with the following specs:
Input: 100-240v 50/60hz 0.2A
Output: 5.1V, 0.7A
Thank you in advance for your help.
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I would be more concerned with whether or not it would transfer files. The only one I have that works is the original.

I use LG chargers I have in the office and at home and they work flawlessly. Same specs as the one you have.

I'm using an old Nokia n86 usb cable and it connects just fine.
OP, charger doesn't make that much of a difference. The phone will only "accept" the current it needs, not more.

Thank you guys, I was worried about damaging its battery and since it is noy removable... I read somewhere that "underated" chargers damage batteries because they not "feed" as much energy as the battery needs.

donchele said:
Thank you guys, I was worried about damaging its battery and since it is noy removable... I read somewhere that "underated" chargers damage batteries because they not "feed" as much energy as the battery needs.
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The general rule of thumb is that a battery will last longer when it's charged slowly.This generates less heat puts less stress on the battery. Batteries are unique in the sense that they can slowly discharge energy, whereas capacitors can rapidly charge and discharge. With that said, I believe you run a greater risk of damaging your battery with a high amperage "rapid charger" vs. a lower amperage charger. It may take longer to charge, but your battery will thank you. I don't believe you run a risk using the lower amperage charger, but you may outpace your usage vs. the charge that is made on your phone.

DIY External Battery Questions

Guys, I've looked around some, but can't find the information I need for this project. I've come into posession of a friend's Nexus 7 8GB that's cracked, as I have two projects in mind for it. The first is making my own external battery pack with the battery from the tablet.
I know the battery is rated for 3.7V at 4325mAh. A standard USB input is powered with 4.5-5.5V. I'm somewhat electrically knowledgeable, but I'm stumped on how to make sure I don't fry my phone or my Nexus 7 by plugging this battery into the USB port. My other dilemma is charging the battery back up, I'm assuming that this will take a small circuit to do.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Austin

atminside said:
Guys, I've looked around some, but can't find the information I need for this project. I've come into posession of a friend's Nexus 7 8GB that's cracked, as I have two projects in mind for it. The first is making my own external battery pack with the battery from the tablet.
I know the battery is rated for 3.7V at 4325mAh. A standard USB input is powered with 4.5-5.5V. I'm somewhat electrically knowledgeable, but I'm stumped on how to make sure I don't fry my phone or my Nexus 7 by plugging this battery into the USB port. My other dilemma is charging the battery back up, I'm assuming that this will take a small circuit to do.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Austin
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Hey Austin,
tell us exactly how you would like this battery to be used-
1. do you want to recharge battery over the USB port?
2. for what exactly you want to use the battery? For some other device? or for Nexus 7? Be more specific please.
I would generally advise if you want to do cool thing like
"external battery that can be hooked to device on-the-go as a mobile range extender"
you want to do this?
in this line of thinking we take note of;
-Voltage of battery nominal
-Voltage of the charging sources (110V,220V,USB +5V /4.5-5.5V/ )
+now when you are sure of this here you go
-at the bare minimum;
- resistors to lower the voltage in/reduce charging current (yes,minimalistic circuit),with a method to check/determine when battery is nearly full 99% cap as per li-ion battery requirement.Take note lithium ion batteries are absolutely forbidden to be overloaded or else kaboom!, self destruct, fire etc./take a look at youtube "li-ion self destruct"
-dig the li-ion charge reqs and methods from the available knowledge sources (e.g. the internet,electronic forums)
Are you up to this project?Wanna companion for this?Just let me know..

You need 3 things to use a raw battery as a USB source:
- a boost converter, to convert the battery's approximately 3.7V to a stable 5V
- a battery charger
- a protection circuit
The protection circuit is very important. If you over-discharge or over-charge a Li-ion battery, you can run into (explosive) trouble.
The battery may have a circuit on board. Can you see any circuitry in the cell? How many wires come out of it?
For example, eBay has plenty of random parts that should do the job:
Protection unit
Charger
Boost converter

You'll want to be really careful if the battery doesn't have on-board protection circuity. Lithium based batteries tend to explode or catch fire if they're improperly charged. Heck, you even hear about it happening to batteries in phones while they're in peoples pockets. Though I would assume some are from dodgy third party batteries.
You might be able to use something like the LiPo Rider Pro which is a premade board for charging Lithium Polymer batteries. It has two USB ports, one for charging and one for supplying power.
If you've never designed a power supply PCB before then I recommend using a ready made device like that, otherwise you could end up getting burned, literally.

A few years ago I just used one of those big 6V batteries and put a USB connector on it. Worked without any problems!

jhlaird said:
You need 3 things to use a raw battery as a USB source:
- a boost converter, to convert the battery's approximately 3.7V to a stable 5V
- a battery charger
- a protection circuit
The protection circuit is very important. If you over-discharge or over-charge a Li-ion battery, you can run into (explosive) trouble.
The battery may have a circuit on board. Can you see any circuitry in the cell? How many wires come out of it?
For example, eBay has plenty of random parts that should do the job:
Protection unit
Charger
Boost converter
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This is of interest to me. I have a Zerolemon 7000mah battery and I'd like to use it as a recharging power pack for my i747 Gs3. With the newer high capacity batteries, this seems like a natural to me--if I'm out somewhere and don't want to put the Zerolemon in my Gs3, just hook it up to recharge. Is the lack of this kind of accessory due to varying battery types? I'd buy something like this if I could find one.

How to make it:
atminside said:
Guys, I've looked around some, but can't find the information I need for this project. I've come into posession of a friend's Nexus 7 8GB that's cracked, as I have two projects in mind for it. The first is making my own external battery pack with the battery from the tablet.
I know the battery is rated for 3.7V at 4325mAh. A standard USB input is powered with 4.5-5.5V. I'm somewhat electrically knowledgeable, but I'm stumped on how to make sure I don't fry my phone or my Nexus 7 by plugging this battery into the USB port. My other dilemma is charging the battery back up, I'm assuming that this will take a small circuit to do.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Austin
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Steps:
1. Learn or know battery and charger technology - especially concerning heat and fire safety. You do not want your house or car burn down "just because you hacked together a little interesting project". Take full consideration of all the sides of it. Experience..
2. Do it.
3. Share it here.
4. Evolve the design together with electronic-savy guys here.
Thats that.
Aside of the notes above - it is an interesting stuff if you have time for it.