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possible xp on shift?

speed and response on vista at shift is really slow.
any chance to install xp on it?

This is something I am interested in as well.
I am ordering a HTC shift today when it arrives I try and will make a image of the hardrive/vista and then try loading XP to see.

Just go ahead and load XP, you can always restore Vista from the hidden backup partition on the drive.
Bear in mind that HTC are unwilling to release the needed drivers for Vista, let alone XP.

XP Tablet Edition
I have already done this and it's a breeze.
However you have no functionality for touch as the drivers are not there.
But on XP you have 800MB RAM free and it's like lightening...
Let's hope we can get XP drivers for the touch screen, i can live without the snapvue and control etc and without the origami thing, but i have gone back to vista due to the lack of touch ability.
Regards
Blitz

Was the touch pad working in xp? as that might be livable. It should be possible to sort out a dual boot then we can have the three operating systems on the one device, vista, winxp and windows mobile.

dual boot
tried that by partitioning drive in two but it breaks vista,you need to install xp then vista but you can't do that either as you miss the builtin drivers for vista.
the mousepad worked fine

besides the touch screen, is there any other hardware component that does NOT work under XP? i was under the impression that lacking XP drivers, a bunch of stuff did not work.

blitzspear said:
tried that by partitioning drive in two but it breaks vista,you need to install xp then vista but you can't do that either as you miss the builtin drivers for vista.
the mousepad worked fine
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Hey blitzspear, I have managed to get XP working alongside the HTC vista oem install. First you boot into in to vista and shrink the current drive c using disk management mmc, then reboot into xp install using usb cd. After XP completes Copy bootsect.exe from the boot folder of a Windows Vista DVD and paste it into your Windows XP Windows\system32 folder. Then in XP CMD issue the following command bootsect /NT60 ALL. Ok now the only issue I have is getting all the drivers, where did you get the drivers from? I have downloaded the XP drivers for the graphics card ironically the file is called winvista_1523.exe althoughintel webpage assures that this driver covers vista xp 2k etc. but it dont work! So just wondering if you could point me in the right direction

Drivers
Sadly I didn't find them all...
Only ones are the intel VGA (which disables some of the resolutions)
A usb network and sound and the synaptics mousepad.
The rest were missing which is why i'm back on vista.
Regards
Blitz
PS - I think if we get SD / wifi / GPS / in WM6 this will do what i need it to do and then i'll keep vista when plugged in so i can have it on best performance instead of balanced mode. This may be the best compromise for many people.
But in my opinion HTC could have made this SOOOO much better if they'd put Tablet XP on it... or gave us 2GB of RAM in VISTA...

Device Manager?
Can you guys post a list of devices that were not installed correctly when in XP? I see that the touch screen doesn't work...do we have other devices that were not identified or functioning properly in the device manager?
If we can identify the devices maybe the chipset manufacturer can supply drivers, etc.

ltxda said:
Can you guys post a list of devices that were not installed correctly when in XP? I see that the touch screen doesn't work...do we have other devices that were not identified or functioning properly in the device manager?
If we can identify the devices maybe the chipset manufacturer can supply drivers, etc.
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I actually got most of the devices working (HTC ones)by searching the inf directory of the original Vista installer. However touchscreen is not identified or does not work, the SDIO Wifi card is not seen by XP at all, although BT works

Samsung 64GB SSD + VISTA Clean install

After several failed attempts of cloning VISTA from the HTC Shift's to the my Samsung 64GB Solid State Drive using Norton Ghost (the cloned drive always blue screens at boot), I've decided to do a clean VISTA install from scratch to the SSD Drive.
With only one USB Port on the Shift, I didn't have enough ports for the Bootable USB Pen w/ Ghost on it + Drive 1 + Drive 2, so I had to stick both 1.8" ZIF drivers in USB adapter enclosures and then clone from one to the other from a desktop computer with multiple USBs (using a hub on the Shift to use the 3 devices at the same time from its single USB connector didn't work either because the drives are not detected at BIOS)
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need? I don't seem to see certain things like the SIM Modem for example. Also how do I install the Windows Mobile Application to communicate with SnapVue, etc? I have the feeling I will be missing a ton of drivers and software by the time I have the Shift with a Retail Version of Vista, not the original system restore one with all the drivers (and clutter).
Once I get the system up and running (and tweaked), I'll post some benchmarks here and a video showing boot-up and app launch times with the Samsung SSD (currently the fastest 1.8" ZIF Drive on the market). I want to custom make VISTA as streamlined as possible with the least amount of garbage to gain maximum performance on the Shift and with the lowest possible mem usage On my dsktop my clean install is less than 1.5GB!
If you'd like a detailed post of the disassembly, drive swap and re-assembly as well as final description of all the tweaks performed, services disabled, etc., I can post them here in detail as well.
Thanks for the input of the software and drivers I will need before I start the work

VeEuzUKY said:
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need?
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Yes, they are all you need. Windows Mobile Device Centre is included with Vista, and that deals with the connection to Snapvue. The sim card is managed by Snapvue, so wiping Vista will not affect it.

Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie
Im hoping that a Vista clean install will be a fraction of the work and time I've spent trying to install XP and Ubuntu Mobile. Both of them got "almost" to fully work but some functionality was always lost no matter my tries. Since I am "slimming" down Vista to its bare minimum, I wonder if there are components I have taken out on my desktop's clean install, that I may actually need for the Shift (Windows Mobile Device Centre being one of them that immediately comes to mind)! Is it required to upgrade to Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 on the version built-in within Vista is enough? I usually stay away as much as possible of ANY upgrades what-so-ever
By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?

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By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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Hi,
VistaECDDrv seems to be the Embedded Controller Driver. It is the part that manages communication between the build-in stuff such as USB and SD. It also might be the part that prohibits us from using the SD-card from the Snapvue side.
The other one seems to be the driver for the LAN adaptor... I am not sure what the "Extension Kit" signifies.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I actually don't really know what I am talking about )
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah

Are the drivers needed for the Shift's video camera built-in Vista? I cannot find any available drivers to download from HTC's support site

Yes, it works quite happily with the generic USB Camera drivers in Vista.

can you do a benchmark of your SSD from Samsung? ans post the picture?
http://www.hdtune.com/
I think about a Mtron 3018 32GB or 64GB SDD (April 2009) with 100/100MB/s
I Thnik there is no other faster 1,8" PATA SSD on market?

Hi!
Is there any news on the speed on your Shift when changing to the Samsung SSD?

I don´t know, but i´m shure, with Mtron 3018 SSD it is much faster then with SAmsung SSD.
BTW: in the mid of april Mtron release the 64GB Edition with 100/100 Read/write (maybe 300€)

Windows 7 x64 doesn't recognize my HD2

I don't kow why but I can't get my HD2 recognized by Windows 7 x64. Where can I download the driver so I can force it to be recognized?

Type "Windows mobile device center (for win7 x64)" into google and download it from microsoft... first you have to proove that your win7 is legal, but that should be no problem
Then start it and it wil soon recognize your HD2
hope that helps
cheers, stephan1
edit: you might have to take the vista x64 version... but it works on my PC

Got it! All I had to do was change the usb port. I was using the front ports and somehow they don't work in this case.

gap0306 said:
Got it! All I had to do was change the usb port. I was using the front ports and somehow they don't work in this case.
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cool solution
cheers, stephan1

USB Mass Storage doesn't work

I'm an ex desire user and i'm kinda finding it hard to use SGS at times anyways the problem i'm facing right now is when i connect my device and select mass storage device i get no removable device.. it's driving me insane as i don't like to use Kies.. is there anything i'm doing wrong?? desire was soooo much user friendly anyways can anyone please help me out??
not using any sd card atm (ordered one though)

Drop notification bar and hit mount

thanks it worked

Note for Mac OS X users - I found that after selecting Mount on the phone, the mass storage volumes still did not show up on my desktop.
After I unmounted, turned on USB debugging, and re-mounted then I got both volumes (internal and external sdcard) appear on my desktop.
AFAIK, Kies is not available for OS X so not sure how firmware upgrades are going to work - guess I'll have to find myself a Windows machine.

miker71 said:
Note for Mac OS X users - I found that after selecting Mount on the phone, the mass storage volumes still did not show up on my desktop.
After I unmounted, turned on USB debugging, and re-mounted then I got both volumes (internal and external sdcard) appear on my desktop.
AFAIK, Kies is not available for OS X so not sure how firmware upgrades are going to work - guess I'll have to find myself a Windows machine.
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yes you need a real windows machine, virtual machines are not working (did not detect USB)

mrassol said:
yes you need a real windows machine, virtual machines are not working (did not detect USB)
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No! this is terrible news, no solution in sight for
this problem??

snoweb said:
No! this is terrible news, no solution in sight for
this problem??
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Run windows on your mac through bootcamp?!

dakine said:
Run windows on your mac through bootcamp?!
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thanks for the advice, could be a solution, although awkward, I would only be
sure with XP installed through bootcamp Kies functions

mrassol said:
yes you need a real windows machine, virtual machines are not working (did not detect USB)
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Yeah, I had to install Boot Camp to update my Galaxy's FW, pain in the neck but it finally worked, I tried with VMWare with 2 Windows installs and it didn't work.
So Mac people save your time and skip VMWare/Parallels, you need Boot Camp for this.

What does USB debugging do? Under what situations should I turn it on and off? In other word, how does the behaviour of the phone get affected by the on/off switch?

hassan said:
Drop notification bar and hit mount
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THANK YOU!! cant believe i didnt see this before

Windows 8 64 bits very slow to install by DVD

Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
Thanks.

MRaimo said:
Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
Thanks.
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That software you mentioned should have died out years ago , but didn't. They propped up sales by seeding torrents that blahblahblah.... rant off.
Anyway, try a md5sum on the images and dvds.
I installed on a vm in less than 15minutes, and even with the annoying reboots it was fairly quick.
Check you bios for odd settings.

Are your floppy disk controller enabled in the bios? Since Windows Vista some Mainboards have problems with setup if the floppy controller is enabled! deactivate it and setup should run at normal speed!

Windows 8 is a big file on its own, if you're trying to install the 64 buy version its even bigger. Be patient or try the 32 bit version
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It could also be that your drivers are out of date or that your computer has a slow disc speed
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given that you said you had issues on another OS then its likely to be a hardware issue.
first suggestion is to make sure your using 32 bit DMA access in your BIOS, its quite easy to set that to UDMA 0 or even PIO mode by mistake, its also possible the drive or disks your burning from / to might not be as accurate as they should be, its also worth checking your download isn't corrupted, I had that issue on the DP but that failed to install rather than just being slow.
If your using older drives using parallel cables, make sure they are on different channels, ie not connected to the same cable (master slave)
you could try setting up a USB drive install, that would rule out the media drive altogether and limit it to your moby or HDD

Thanks guys, I will format my HD and try again in some days o/

how is your raid set up? Make sure you have ahci , I loaded 64 bit last night , took less than 10 minutes and I had a corrupted drive to begin with (that took me an extra 10 minutes by itself) but install of the OS was the fastest Ive ever had on a windows machine !

Slow DVD install
It sounds like you have a low transfer speed or a low read speed on the DVD drive. Because it took me just over an hour to install Windows 8 CP on HP ZD7249CL. it took about 15 minutes to install on my Home Built desktop (AMD Phenom X4 840 3.2Ghz, 8 GB of ram, SATA III, AMD HD5770). See if you can upgrade to a sata drive if possible.

My older DVD drive is SATA, the new one(from my old PC) is IDE, and the both took the same time.
I will try to make some changes in the BIOS and reinstall the OS.
So I post the results.
Thanks all of you o/

I'm curious....
Does windows allow imaging/installing from disk images for non corporate users ?
On my mac I image disks, and install whatever is needed from the images. Its magnitudes faster than waiting on cd/dvd read times.
Maybe someone here is familiar with how its done on windows ?

Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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dazza9075 said:
Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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More specifics would be good.
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Well, how about you tell us what you want to do, remote, network, disk, usb, pre setup, semi setup,what do you want an we can show you how, I've not come across any limitations. Yet ! =)
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