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Hello everyone. First off, be clear of one thing: FLASH will not work on our phones even when Froyo is out. Flash was an improvement in Froyo, but it is not going to be in all phones just because they have Froyo..
I see a lot of people complaining that the Froyo releases of the Galaxy 3 do not have Flash 10.1. I opened this topic to inform everyone who doesn't know that Flash is currently only supported on ARMv7 processors, namely the ARM Cortex A8 processors.
The Galaxy 3 has an ARMv6 processor, which is not currently supported by Flash. Adobe has mentioned that Flash might be supported on lower end processors in the near future, but right now it can only run on phones having an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
So right now, Flash is a no-go on our phone, even when the final Froyo update is released.
You can check the requirements for Flash on the following link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile
Also, check out this link which mentions that ARM might be supported on ARM11 (ARMv6) devices in the future:
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/
For those who wonder why the HTC phones have Flash, just found out that the Flash Player on HTC has been developed by HTC themselves. It is not the actual Adobe Flash Player 10.1..
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
aantdesign said:
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
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Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
But on the other side, if We ask at loud and if we do it in weaves, they will change their mind and support our hardware
addicted2088 said:
Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
nastyba said:
Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
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Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
The main requirement of flash is a VFPU(vector floating point unit).it is a physical device that should be present in the chip for flash to work.the older arm processors(arm1136) does not support it(thats why adobe said they wont support older processors). Our processor(arm1176) supports it but it is optional.so it all depends on whether samsung implemnted vfpu in this chip. Considering what they did with 3d graphics my hopes are pretty low.
Flash isnt essential but it would have been nice to have it.i didnt know about these things before i bought the phone.but considering the fact that no device. Anywhere near this price range supports it,i am happy with the phone.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Check out this site:
"androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/"
ARM11 is ARMv6, which is there in our phones. So right now it's not gonna work in our phones.
Also check out these mobile system requirements mentioned on Adobe's site:
"adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile"
ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
nastyba said:
I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
U are right
ROLY5573 said:
Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
addicted2088 said:
HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
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now it's clear
welty said:
I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
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what about LG OO or other 200€ devices ?
Is there any other app that makes flash possible on our phones?
skyfire
flash doesnt work on p500 either....
Hey
It is possible, to install a Flash Lite on 2.2? Because we don't have any flash, and can't watch videos through skyfire. But no - I won't come back to 2.1
FYI for those looking to get MKV support & accelerated H264 playback on the Xoom, may want to petition Moto and ask them to license CoreAVC for Android,
http://twitter.com/CoreCodec/status/42963261569777664
Hopefully, CorePlayer to come soon.
e.mote said:
FYI for those looking to get MKV support & accelerated H264 playback on the Xoom, may want to petition Moto and ask them to license CoreAVC for Android,
http://twitter.com/CoreCodec/status/42963261569777664
Hopefully, CorePlayer to come soon.
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I used that years ago on an older Windows desktop that would not play any MKV reliably and it worked great.
posted it on their forum:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/46992
onicrom said:
posted it on their forum:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/46992
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Thanks... added my two pennies.
http://twitter.com/corecodec
GunmanTheH:
@CoreCodec Hope retail will come soon
CoreCodec:
@GunmanTheH the plan is to get it out asap, preferably by mid-month to retail.
Excellent. CorePlayer was my go to player on Windows Mobile. Hopefully this'll be available when I get my Xoom next month.
I dunno if moto would even be able to include this in the zoom, because it's a Google experience device. I will post on their forums tho along with you all.
Maybe Google needs to be made aware of this.
It would be awesome for MKV vids, but will it help out with other formats, as well?
I think getting the retail version will be the faster and more expedient route for most, as waiting for the firmware route, even if Moto is responsive, will take weeks or months.
However, it's important to let Moto know that you, as their customers, consider this feature as important and want it incorporated into the firmware. This allows derivative custom ROMs to also include the software on a quasi-legal basis, as the OEM license could be argued as being applicable for the device regardless of the firmware used.
@arrtoodeetoo
Supported formats in the link below are for CorePlayer,
http://corecodec.com/products/coreplayer
Note that the two popular audio codecs used mostly in "downloadable" HD videos (DTS and AC3) are not among the list. Betaboy (CC dev) has explicitly confirmed that AC3 won't be supported.
That means that those who have said videos will need to convert their audio tracks. This is fairly simple and fast (and can be batch processed), taking only minutes per full-length video.
Looking forward to this going live and hearing how it plays out.
Here are the platform-specific errata notes for CorePlayer.
http://forums.corecodec.com/threads/402-**-CorePlayer-Platform-Specific-Limitations-and-Notes
Ignore the list (it's 4 years old). The thing to note is the CC dev's remark below:
"Limitations are gonna be hard to pinpoint atm as there really is none other then bluetooth limitations. Codecs will become less of an issue as we will have in app purchasing for additional codecs."
Damn... I haven't used Core since my last winmo phone... I hope they don't charge to much for codecs. 1 or 2 bucks a pop each.
Wow I still have my COreplayer install file from my 5 year old phone! I would Love to see this on Honeycomb
PLz Moto Make it so!
I just posted on the thread at the Motorola Owner's forum. I am not holding out a tremendous amount of hope for OEM licensing, but CorePlayer should do the trick.
Regardless of whether Moto will or won't license Core, they need to know that the Xoom's multimedia support is awful. They won't know unless we tell them. From the Moto admin's responses, they're clueless.
http://twitter.com/corecodec
Re: Core - To clarify, the retail version mentioned as being released soonish is likely the CorePlayer 2.0 for Android & iOS. CoreAVC 2.5 is available to devs & OEMs, and will be available to Win/Lin/Mac (not Droid/iOS) end-users later.
CorePlayer notwithstanding, I still can't imagine that Nvidia would be content with having the entire wave of Tegra2 tabs being stuck with no accelerated multimedia support.
You can voice your queries about the Tegra2 multimedia support here,
http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/forums/tegra-forums/android-development
It looks like there are a variety of other devices that have the same chipset - I've perused around other threads where some people had some success doing it (samsung vibrant has the same wifi chipset). I was curious if this was on any of the devs radars at all - theres an entire community of pentesters and infosec folks twitching and biting their nails over the idea that one can run standard industry tools (like the aircrack suite) on this platform.
I've been able to install ubuntu on my xoom, however the kernel module for the chipset (bcm4329) doesn't currently support monitor mode.
Thoughts / ideas / advice?
I think this would be fun to have....
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I started a thread a couple of days ago wondering the same thing...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=983646
am interested as well!!
I work for the android development team at Broadcom and I didn't even know that the xoom used the bcm4329. That's interesting. Unfortunately, I can't really give you any information on your problem.
smaskell said:
I work for the android development team at Broadcom and I didn't even know that the xoom used the bcm4329. That's interesting. Unfortunately, I can't really give you any information on your problem.
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Think theres a chance it can be tweaked at the android level?
Moved. Please post in the correct section. Thank you.
If other phones that have the same chipset work in monitor mode, it should be possible to port the code over to the existing wireless module we have now.
That said, it will probably be a bit of work porting from the version of Android on the Captivate (2.1, 2.2?) to 3.0.
news
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892535
xoom have bcm4329, maybe it work.
who test ?
Skype just updated their Android app and stated that those phones not directly on the list but running 2.2 should still be able to manually enable skype via going into settings....unfortunately when I installed it there is no enable video call...
Link to article --> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2372..._on_more_android_smartphones.html#tk.rss_news
Wonder if this is because I'm now on gingerbread and its not enabled generically on 2.3.4 or the other line in the story is if video enablement is not visible in settings it means your phone does not meet minimum requirements (hard to believe as this is more advanced than many of the enabled phones)
Hoping some of our devs can find a hack to enable!!!
So they have, that sucks because I have contacts I would frequently like to call using video.
I want video calls support too ...
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA11019/How-do-I-make-video-calls-with-Skype-for-Android#6 :::
* This specifically does not include some tablets that use the Tegra 2 chipset (e.g. Android tablets and Motorola Atrix do not support video calling).
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tehrules said:
So they have, that sucks because I have contacts I would frequently like to call using video.
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Outside of Fring which isn't nearly as well known and no PC platform, it would allow you to make video calls to all our iphone contacts plus PC/Mac users.
I've used the yahoo messenger videochat and its not bad, but not nearly as many people use/run yahoo messenger so its not as ubiquitous as skype..
Come on! ask for it !
http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Video-Calling/td-p/56850
ofek said:
Come on! ask for it !
http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Video-Calling/td-p/56850
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Thanks for the link! I will post on that thread and ask them.
their library does not support the Tegra. Our processor doesn't support NEON architecture, which the Skype video libary uses. there's no way devs can get around it, because they've tried. The main Skype app hacker, droidrx, in the Software forum IS an Atrix owner, ironically. He's enabled video on Skype for dozens of devices but ours will NOT work until Skype makes the library compatible with the Tegra.
see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153285
Anyone read this before and have access to this kit?
Tegra 2 enables new mobile media and gaming capabilities:
For the first time, consumers will be able to game with multiple players using different types of devices. For example, a Tegra 2-powered super phone or tablet can be used to play with players on a desktop PC.
NVIDIA demonstrated a prototype of Skype HD video calling on an Android tablet at its CES 2011 press conference. NVIDIA developed a reference implementation of HD video conferencing on Tegra 2-based tablets using SkypeKit. SkypeKit is a collection of software and APIs that allows virtually any Internet connected device to offer Skype voice and video calls.
Tango
There is a good option that I just started using which is TANGO. This app is compatible with the iOS devices, and have just announced support for Windows. Skype does not have the slightest intent to support the Tegra CPU.
Come on skype...The atrix community wants video too.
our phone is such the most powerful phone that we dont support skype. gotta love irony eh? ;D
I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
:/ Darn. Well this sucks.
we just have to be patient.
i can't wait until the atrix gets skype w/ video.
Dude u dont regret about getting a phone just because you dont have enough support available for it yet. When the phone came out, people who bought it bought 'em not only because its a nice sexy piece of harware but its the most powerful phone of its time.
Lets deal with, things are getting better, bootloader unlocked, new custom roms available, all sorts of hacks are being made available... it will get there when we can make a video call through skype...
just wait not hate..
Cheers
wycs said:
I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
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wycs said:
I'm starting to regret getting the Atrix soley based on Tegra 2, it seems to be responsible for more problems than good it does.
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I'm with you...I guess I never caught the Neon issue and not being able to run full HD which I thought was actually the opposite and big reason I bought this phone...related I was not expecting the compatibility issues with the Tegra2..
Screw skype.. come on cm7. Then ill worry about skype
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jank0023 said:
I'm with you...I guess I never caught the Neon issue and not being able to run full HD which I thought was actually the opposite and big reason I bought this phone...related I was not expecting the compatibility issues with the Tegra2..
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we can run full HD last time i checked. on the GB release notes 1080p playback was listed
pretty sad that bigOl' NVidia tegra 1 was fail, not tegra 2 is still missing features. they make some of the best chips, i mean.. come on. at least AMD didnt make it LOL, our phones would be 100C and melt. but still. im sure we will get support sometime, when nokia releases their new Meebo phone they are working on i think im going to go to that for a while and wait to tegra 2 gets fully optimized.
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we can run full HD last time i checked. on the GB release notes 1080p playback was listed
pretty sad that bigOl' NVidia tegra 1 was fail, not tegra 2 is still missing features. they make some of the best chips, i mean.. come on. at least AMD didnt make it LOL, our phones would be 100C and melt. but still. im sure we will get support sometime, when nokia releases their new Meebo phone they are working on i think im going to go to that for a while and wait to tegra 2 gets fully optimized.
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Gingerbread cannot run full profile HD whether it be 720 or 1080P due to lack of NEON code. Which most likely is the same reason why skype video does not work on Tegra 2...Plenty of posts about full profile HD not running on Tegra 2, not now probably not ever...
Skype Video for Tegra 2
IIRC, on CES 2011, nVidia wrote an app using SkypeKit and demoed video calling with the Tegra 2.
So although the official Skype app requires NEON instruction sets, I wonder if it is possible to write an app similar to nVidia's which we know works with Tegra 2.
Hi all. The other day I was "lucky" winner RK66
(pandawill ! com/rk66-mini-android-tv-box-android-41-bluetooth-rk3066-dual-core-1g-ram-hdmi-tf-8gb-p69361 ! html)
Summarizes the characteristics: Rockchip RK3066, ARM Cortex-A9 dual core, 1.2GHZ; GPU: Mali-400 MP4 quad core
Interested in running it XBMC (xbmc ! org).
Now there is a RC3 version for Android devices, but it is not a pleasant limit screen resolution (1280x672).
I also read about a version of linux for android mini pc, but it is in the stage of pre-alpha.
Maybe someone else knows what or installation options XBMC (media center or similar)?
Just looking for information on updating the device in the future, where I can get the firmware?
Interested in running CyanogenMod and firmware based on it.
XBMC like the ability to install additional plug-ins to watch online movies from websites.
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.
Edit: Sorry misread your post. Yes linux Pi****u is 0.3 alpha. Wireless isn't working on it properly yet among other things.
There is a XBMC Frodo Beta 2 on the net somewhere done by someone called Lewy I've not tried it but it works on the MK808
If you search youtube for MK808 XBMC beta 2 the video will show up. From what I've read a lot of the features are working with this version, but again I've not tried it.
Hope this helps.
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This device is quite similar to others like the MK802iii from the sounds of it. Progress on CM on them will likely help this, given it's an RK3066 CPU as well.
Thanks for answers.
I realized that I would have to wait.
Even test the version XBMC, support for Full HD still no.
Do not tell me how to get root rights on this ustroyve or similar?
P.S. They are in very short supply for functions mount, reboot.
http://cm3066.com/ CM10 for the MK808 maybe it will work?
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Hi, Free4ert! Maybe this could help you?! http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?3134-NEW-iMito-MX1-2-Finless-ROM-1-5-Root-debloat-init-d-support&highlight=ug802
Please read the threat, as I understood, running on hi-res the thingy heats pretty much!
BTW I understand that you perchased your RK66 at pandawill. Did it come with a powersupply or is this an extra to buy? I would appreciate your answer. Thanks
Has anybody confirmed this? I am interested as well as I have recently purchased an rk66 mini tv box.
Just looking for information on updating the device in the future, where I can get the firmware?
Interested in running Cyanogen Mod and firmware based on it.