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are you spoiled too?

i love froyo! its ultra fast and ultra smooth, but.... these threads seem to always have "buts." anywho, custom roms have dominated my phone from the beginning and the small things(spare parts/extra mods), as others have mentioned, have a pretty big impact on usability and convenience. whether or not these small things warrant a change back to custom roms depends on the users needs and wants.
for myself, im probably going to switch back to a 2.1 custom rom now that ive tasted the frozen goodness. its quite flavorful, but its missing the sprinkles (just my spoiledness). this may be the "ultimate" current rom for some which needs nothing else, but my palette yearns for an extra oomph. dont get me wrong, im not bagging google in any way, i just feel like ive grown heavily dependent on the extras the mods have been so gracious to add.
for the record, i love google and i love how theyve given devs such an awesome platform. cheers for everyone in this community who feels the same.

Just curious what "extras" have you grown heavily dependent on?

Everyone acts like they didn't know it wasn't gonna have those extra goodies. I for one can do without those few for imo the best stock rom ever

Everyone acts like they didn't know it wasn't gonna have those extra goodies. I for one can do without those few for imo the best stock rom ever.
Cyanogen 2.1 vs stock froyo = froyo ftw
Cyanogen 2.2 vs stock froyo = cyanogen 2.2 ftw

Cyanogen will probably have a FroYo build out within the week

believe it or not, trackball wake has been pretty big. a small option, but something i use all the time. also, having the battery percentage on the notification bar, customizable led lights and rate, black desire notification (which i think can be morphed?), reboot from the shutdown menu, ability to hide pictures in contacts just to name some.

coldchillen said:
believe it or not, trackball wake has been pretty big. a small option, but something i use all the time. also, having the battery percentage on the notification bar, customizable led lights and rate, black desire notification (which i think can be morphed?), reboot from the shutdown menu, ability to hide pictures in contacts just to name some.
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Trackball colors coming soon! http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/14543157295
Trackball wake coming soon too! http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/14543770339
Battery Percentage in the notification bar (been using this for months!): http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator/
ALL old Metamorph files are working fine in FroYo! (The ones with .thm files) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6567974#post6567974

coldchillen said:
believe it or not, trackball wake has been pretty big. a small option, but something i use all the time. also, having the battery percentage on the notification bar, customizable led lights and rate, black desire notification (which i think can be morphed?), reboot from the shutdown menu, ability to hide pictures in contacts just to name some.
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For trackball wake. Download screenmodwidget put it on launcher, set it to the middle setting and now trackball wakes. Not perfect but works....
As far as battery percentage download battery indicator ....
I for one like browser the most on my phone, so naturally I like froyo cause of the full flash and speed of the browser ....
I also think its noticeably faster than cyanogen 507 t2. Now with froyo and cyanogen we will be in heaven.

I love CM's features, but one of froyo's features alone -being able to change the language by swiping on the space bar- is more important to me than all of them put together.
I can't live without it now.

Stable JIT has spoiled me

Paul22000 said:
Trackball colors coming soon! http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/14543157295
Trackball wake coming soon too! http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/14543770339
Battery Percentage in the notification bar (been using this for months!): http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator/
ALL old Metamorph files are working fine in FroYo! (The ones with .thm files) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6567974#post6567974
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wow! i guess i shouldnt be so surprised at how fast everyones working on froyo. thanks paul! i suppose i can go without for a few days..

FroYo!
Im sticking with FroYo!

Trackball colors already work, sms pop up changes the colors of the stock mms app and gmail notification changes the colors of the stock gmail app although this one needs an update as its buggy. I would think sometime soon trackball alert will work from the market without requiring root, same for nexus torch now that the video camera can leave the led on.It really seems like theres no reason to root anymore with everything google is providing access too. Main reaon i rooted before was to use wifi tether but they even give us that now too so I will likely just use a de-odexed factory froyo that I can theme and leave everything else alone. I love the battery life and the lack of "quirks" that the stock roms provide. I always seem to have terrible battery life and missed calls/other flukes with the Nexus when I use other ROMS than the factory one.

How is everyone getting trackball colors?

JHaste said:
How is everyone getting trackball colors?
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Any application that has an LED modification setting will change the color of the trackball depending on what color you direct to do whatever. The trackball only lights up with the altered color when the screen is off.

am I the only one who has noticed a HUGE media audio boost with froyo?

jz9833 said:
am I the only one who has noticed a HUGE media audio boost with froyo?
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not me..I was about to ask the opposite ;-(

Hmmm, I'd answer both to the opening question : I've been spoiled by the extra features found in custom roms (some of which are in froyo, like tethering), but I'll stick to Froyo and wait for Cyanogenmod 6 =)

Me too. Im a total believer. Cant wait for Apps2sd..
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Stable JIT has spoiled me
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Ce said:
not me..I was about to ask the opposite ;-(
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well through the speaker I'd agree it's alot quieter, but with my headphones its like night and day

My thoughts on the Cyanogen Mod Rom VS Virtuous Rom

Cyanogen mod Rom:
Pro:
-fast in terms of browsing through the menus and such (IE not lagging AT ALL when I scroll down hundreds of .apk files I have on my SD card)
-barebone ROM ready for customization (void of many apps the stock ROM and Virtuous ROM comes with)
Cons:
-lack of installed programs (had to install Android Market separately for goodness sakes)
-lack of flashiness (not as sexy as Sense Rom)
-much slower bootup time
Virtuous
Pro:
-sexier interface (HTC Sense)
-faster shutdown and bootup time (3 seconds and 2 seconds respectively)
-a lot more apps preinstalled
Cons:
-a bit sluggish when browsing through apps and such (IE trying to scroll through 100+ apps on your SD card)
There you have it folks. The completely subjective guide to these two ROMS.
This should be a good starter for Android noobs like I was two weeks ago when I first got the phone.
These two ROMS have little tweaks and mods that the stock ROM does not have that honestly go over my head but is suppose to give performance enhancements and streamline various processes.
Reason people use CM is because it is like the Google Chrome of internet browers; it is lightning fast.
Reason people use Virtuous is because it is more user friendly. You don't have to spend so much time researching where to download GAPPS and flash it with ROM manager like you would if you use CM.
I personally used the Virtuous ROM when I first started out, and I just moved to the CM ROM today once I got the hang of things.
Stock CM homescreen was kind of dull and unappealing so I downloaded Launcher Pro and downloaded customized docks for it, and now it looks pretty damn sexy.
That's just my two cents on these things.

I have CM RC3 w/ launcher pro. I find that at times when going back to my homescreen the widgets lag about a second or two behind. When I used sence on the device it would lag a lot. I would pull down the status bar and I had to wait for it to pull down, that's why I made the jump to CM. I really enjoy CM and have cut back on the widgets to prevent a lag.
Edit: CM has a separate zip with all the Google apps like market so OP I don't see why that would be a con. CM builds also have trackpad wake built in.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Great starting point on a comparison guide.
However, how is the CM Rom "Barebone"..? It has many features over stock and destroys any other build I have ever seen on any phone to date. The lack of Google apps was from an order by Google to not include any Google apps in roms. That is why there is the Gapps.zip located where the download is for the CM Roms.
I personally hate sense user interface since I like to have a single blank screen besides a clock widget and a pacman wallpaper. No app drawer Icon since i use flick up to open the drawer.

That reminds me.
I forgot to mention that my G2 is overclocked to about 1.2 ghz and I have 1 calendar widget, 1 SetCPU widget, and 3 app shortcuts. That's it.
Overclocking works wonders, for those of you who wonder if overclocking has appreciable differences or not.
danielefeldt said:
Great starting point on a comparison guide.
However, how is the CM Rom "Barebone"..? It has many features over stock and destroys any other build I have ever seen on any phone to date. The lack of Google apps was from an order by Google to not include any Google apps in roms. That is why there is the Gapps.zip located where the download is for the CM Roms.
I personally hate sense user interface since I like to have a single blank screen besides a clock widget and a pacman wallpaper. No app drawer Icon since i use flick up to open the drawer.
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I suppose everyone has their own taste. Some people like to load their screens full of random ass widgets. Some people like it simple and have a clean homescreen. Others compromise between the two (like me)
And your point is duly noted.

ddgarcia05 said:
I have CM RC3 w/ launcher pro. I find that at times when going back to my homescreen the widgets lag about a second or two behind. When I used sence on the device it would lag a lot. I would pull down the status bar and I had to wait for it to pull down, that's why I made the jump to CM. I really enjoy CM and have cut back on the widgets to prevent a lag.
Edit: CM has a separate zip with all the Google apps like market so OP I don't see why that would be a con. CM builds also have trackpad wake built in.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
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Yes it is a setting you have to enable under Cyanogenmod settings...

danielefeldt said:
Yes it is a setting you have to enable under Cyanogenmod settings...
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duly noted.

Also Sense UI takes up quite a bit more memory and it shows in benchmarks and in high end applications.
CM is stripped down so you can add items you want to add to it such as transitions and other UI tweaks with out having all the bloat of Sense UI.
Sense UI is ok and all but soon as you try to adjust your pixel density it will look like ass =/

It's all personal prefence. I like the Sense ui, but it really does take up a lot of memory. Using the Advanced Task Manager with Sense I can see when I free up memory, I'll have about 100mb left, meanwhile with the stock rom, clearing out apps, will give me about 190-200mb.
Not that it matters, because Android has great Ram management but still for the self conscience ones it bothers them.

i like virtuous because its nice and fast enough for me

Nice little basic write up.
My first ROM to ever flash was the CM V6.1.0-RC4, and I found the GAPPS, after much researching.
I kinda like that way I have stuff set up after 3 days of permroot, and flashing this ROM, so I don't know if I need to test the waters and see about the Virtuous.
I've never had the delay on wake-ups, and the start up time beats the hell out of stock.
I love waking my phone up from the track pad, that was always weird to me having to hit the power key twice to unlock on stock.
BillY

Both roms are VERY good roms. I personally switch back and forth here and there for the fun of it. But my personal favorite would have to be CM. Virtous isnt too far behind it though.

Sense or no sense thats the difference. The only difference imo.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
2.friends streams
3.news streams
4.full size stock
5. looks good
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy

G1_enthusiast said:
i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy
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I'd just like to point out that CM has implemented an FM Radio app in the later builds, and battery life could not be better (18 hours under normal use for me).

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G1_enthusiast said:
i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
2.friends streams
3.news streams
4.full size stock
5. looks good
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy
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Plus
Virtuous pros:
->Updating is a breeze.. I love the patches, unlike CM that you need to download huge file plus google apps and wipe every time update is around.
->I think there is more camera/video function on the virtuous.
->I love the hidden top taskbar.. multitasking is made easy.
->Built in Titanium back up
->Built in QuickOffice
->Did I say.. DLNA?
...---- You can output your pictures, videos and music to your TV.. how cool is that.
->When you hold and press power button, it gives you so many power related choices.
->Built in, SMS, MMS widget
->Register to HTC sense and when your phone is stolen, you can locate it.
->Much better car panel.
->I love the wheel like GUI when you adjust time/alarm... it is so much easier.
->'Clock' , has many functions.. Timer/Stop watch/world Clock....
->The clock + weather widget.. your screen rains/clouds/etc depending on the weather.
->Flip the phone while ringing and it will silent it.. very good function during meetings.
->I think it rings louder when it is inside your pocket.
->It has it's own navigation app.. It downloaded something on my first use... I think that's the local map loaded in your phone. You could probably still use navigation without data connection.
->FM radio is already stated above.
Virtuous cons:
->no built in swype yet
CM pros:
->unlike virtuous, you can put to phone to 'silent' so easily
->And, I have used CM for a long time.. could be that I am just used to it.

none of the ROMS have built in swype.

convolution said:
none of the ROMS have built in swype.
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I might be wrong but i think pauls rom does have swype also the vinilla villian or somthing like that. Anyway you can add swype to any of them pretty easy.
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Both great ROMS
I think that they are both great ROMs. I keep going from one to the other as soon as a new revision comes out. I do think that Virtuous could use the silent option in the power options, a percentage indicator when charging, and the auto rotate when in the home screen. Other than that, both ROMs ROCK!

ositogriz said:
I think that they are both great ROMs. I keep going from one to the other as soon as a new revision comes out. I do think that Virtuous could use the silent option in the power options, a percentage indicator when charging, and the auto rotate when in the home screen. Other than that, both ROMs ROCK!
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I generally use Battery Watcher for power percentage (shows it even when charging). Virtuous does have a silent option in the power options thing and also rotates now.
I use a sense based virtuous rom with launcher pro since I like the HTC apps (not so much the widgets). Uploading to facebook via gallery could not be easier and better managed. Also, the HTC camera app is really good! HTC sms app lags a little when I have over 400 messages to load and the contacts app lacks a filter.
HTC apps are the only thing holding me back from going CM
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I think they are both excellent roms however I don't care for all the dev added stuff. Its like t mobile only with the developers marks all over the place. Personally I use Enomther's rom and will always recommend him over any other. Stable, added optional goodies and lightning fast everything anyone could want. As far as sense roms go I would use EvilD'S mt4g rom as its amazing!

mini quiz

hey everyone, I am about to release my rom (swag squad) and I was just wondering what features people REALLY want to see.
If you could just post what features you want to see I'll try and include every feature in the rom.
I know this may seem like a stupid thread but I think developers can be much better if people just tell them what they want.
Just post any questions in the thread and the rom will be released in the next 2 days or so.
thanks,
ljbaumer

gingerbread would be much appreciated.

Souviets said:
gingerbread would be much appreciated.
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Haha. at this point the rom is going to be 2.2 until a stable version of gingerbread is released for one of the "new"droid phones (Dx, D2, D2g, Dpro).
I am working on status bar controls on the pull down. Like on cyanogenmod and MIUI.

AOSP!!
Cool themes and icons instead of vanilla

thanks for the response,
The rom will be themed and it will have totally different icons than AOSP because in my opinion the AOSP icons are ridiculous.
The rom is based off of gummyjar right now but I will soon convert it to being based off of fission (gummyjar was originally based off of fission also). If tanzite turns out to be a completely stable AOSP alternative I will consider basing it off of that but at this point I have my doubts.
I am going to include the stock AOSP keyboard along with an HTC sense keyboard themed to look like the MIUI one and the controls in the status bar will not be released alongside the beta but should be out once the rom itself is out of beta.
Thanks,
ljbaumer

I'm not too worried about themes as I have a set 'theme' I kinda patch in to every rom I run but a black status bar with white text would be good as the default imo. Not sure if any of these would make it but here's a few things I would like to see:
Gingerbread Keyboard as main kb - The latest release of it as a standalone addon works very well on the D2 and the shrink effect is now gone
AOSP Lockscreen sliders
You mentioned the status bar icons already, but I'd love to see those in a rom on the D2
Have none of the google apps installed to the system by default, let users install them from the market or backups
And the impossible one for last!!! A battery manager that doesn't force close 50% of the time!

I have a few suggestions:
1. A charging light would be much appreciated, half the roms out there dont have it and its really an issue for me as I always think my phone is not charging.
2. Use the latest ADW (If that is what you are going to use), I dont like installing a new ROM and not having the choice to add or subtract screens or changing any launcher settings.
3. Have an alarm clock in by default. One of the main reasons I use fission is because I can still use the blur alarm with it, as I am not really impressed with any other alarm clock on the market.
4. Speed is always nice but without blur these phones run pretty smooth so im not too worried.
5. Make it work. This is kinda general but I just want a rom that I dont have to fiddle with to make it work. I agree with an above poster to leave everything out and just let us install it but things like the camcorder, GPS, USB etc are things that should work out of the box I dont want to have to wait for a new release so I can find my way through town.
Finally, thanks for helping out with these phones. I had to go to stock (Blur) for a little bit the other day and it just kills these phones people like you make me happy that I dont have to deal with a slow ass phone after spending 200 dollars on it.

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phrozen87 said:
I'm not too worried about themes as I have a set 'theme' I kinda patch in to every rom I run but a black status bar with white text would be good as the default imo. Not sure if any of these would make it but here's a few things I would like to see:
Gingerbread Keyboard as main kb - The latest release of it as a standalone addon works very well on the D2 and the shrink effect is now gone
AOSP Lockscreen sliders
You mentioned the status bar icons already, but I'd love to see those in a rom on the D2
Have none of the google apps installed to the system by default, let users install them from the market or backups
And the impossible one for last!!! A battery manager that doesn't force close 50% of the time!
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One version of the rom will come out with a black status bar and one will come out with a white. Neither of them are the stock black and white bar but modded versions.
I will try and include the GB keyboard and I didn't know it worked by itself. If you or someone could post a link to it I will include it as soon as I can. I also include a MIUI themed HTC keyboard which I think works incredibly well.
The rom dosen't include battery manager because of force close issues but under settings-about phone-battery use- you can see all of the things that have been using up the battery in the same way.
I think it will have the GB sliders at the beginning once it is released but soon after I will switch over to stock AOSP sliders with a blue option.
I have a few suggestions:
1. A charging light would be much appreciated, half the roms out there dont have it and its really an issue for me as I always think my phone is not charging.
2. Use the latest ADW (If that is what you are going to use), I dont like installing a new ROM and not having the choice to add or subtract screens or changing any launcher settings.
3. Have an alarm clock in by default. One of the main reasons I use fission is because I can still use the blur alarm with it, as I am not really impressed with any other alarm clock on the market.
4. Speed is always nice but without blur these phones run pretty smooth so im not too worried.
5. Make it work. This is kinda general but I just want a rom that I dont have to fiddle with to make it work. I agree with an above poster to leave everything out and just let us install it but things like the camcorder, GPS, USB etc are things that should work out of the box I dont want to have to wait for a new release so I can find my way through town.
Finally, thanks for helping out with these phones. I had to go to stock (Blur) for a little bit the other day and it just kills these phones people like you make me happy that I dont have to deal with a slow ass phone after spending 200 dollars on it.
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1: at this point I don't really know how to include a charging light lol. But if you give me the link to a rom that includes one I can probably figure it out.
2: personally, I am a HUGE launcherpro fan but I understand that a lot of people don't like having to pay $2.99 for the extra features and the free version isn't that great so I may end up including ADW launcher+launcher2
3:I will use the blur alarm clock
4:there will be basically no blur except for: camera, camcorder ( i think blur camera and camcorder work much better), alarm clock, and files.
5: I don't really get what you mean by let you install GPS and USB...
Thanks for the feedback,
ljbaumer

Try basing it off of Ultimate Droid for D2 when the final stable is released. It's AOSP and RC2 is running damn well on my D2, minus GPS and camcorder.

i wish there was a way to get the iphone keyboard i know the market has lookalikes but they dont perform like the real one (thats the only thing i like about iphones btw) or to stick with android it would be fantastic to get the dinc sense keyboard if there was some way to make it work.

ljbaumer said:
1: at this point I don't really know how to include a charging light lol. But if you give me the link to a rom that includes one I can probably figure it out.
2: personally, I am a HUGE launcherpro fan but I understand that a lot of people don't like having to pay $2.99 for the extra features and the free version isn't that great so I may end up including ADW launcher+launcher2
3:I will use the blur alarm clock
4:there will be basically no blur except for: camera, camcorder ( i think blur camera and camcorder work much better), alarm clock, and files.
5: I don't really get what you mean by let you install GPS and USB...
Thanks for the feedback,
ljbaumer
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1. Fission is really the only one I know that has it.
2. I would really appreciate that.
3. Thank god.
4. Awesome. I completely agree
5. I just mean that some ROMs don't have the basics down. When I install your rom I want my phone to work. I dont mean that we should be able to isntall that stuff just that it works.

miketoasty said:
1. Fission is really the only one I know that has it.
2. I would really appreciate that.
3. Thank god.
4. Awesome. I completely agree
5. I just mean that some ROMs don't have the basics down. When I install your rom I want my phone to work. I dont mean that we should be able to isntall that stuff just that it works.
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1: I will end up basing it off of fission but the first release will be from gummyjar2.1
5:the rom should 'just work' and I would never release some crap that people have to work on forever for it to look good and run well because I hate those roms also.
i wish there was a way to get the iphone keyboard i know the market has lookalikes but they dont perform like the real one (thats the only thing i like about iphones btw) or to stick with android it would be fantastic to get the dinc sense keyboard if there was some way to make it work.
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Iphone keyboard would be hard because it uses a different file type for applications and I would have to spend forever porting that over and I would probably need to finish learning java and the android APIs (which I am working on).
The sense keyboard is a themed droid inc keyboard and it will end up using the gingerbread keyboard and the sense keyboard will be a second option.

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Haha. at this point the rom is going to be 2.2 until a stable version of gingerbread is released for one of the "new"droid phones (Dx, D2, D2g, Dpro).
I am working on status bar controls on the pull down. Like on cyanogenmod and MIUI.
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i would love to have status bar controls on the pull down!!!, oh and rotary lock screen, thats pretty much all i would like, it should be smooth, fast, and sleek

status bar controls are not the easiest thing to port and it won't be there on the first release but should be there pretty soon after.
I would usually be totally up for anything a user want EXCEPT for rotary lockscreen.
Sorry guys but rotary lockscreen is not going to be featured in swag squad because personally I hate how it looks. sorry
Right now I am converting the base of the rom to fission. I would release the rom right now except for my website and paypal donate are not up and I want those things to be up before IU release the rom.

ljbaumer said:
status bar controls are not the easiest thing to port and it won't be there on the first release but should be there pretty soon after.
I would usually be totally up for anything a user want EXCEPT for rotary lockscreen.
Sorry guys but rotary lockscreen is not going to be featured in swag squad because personally I hate how it looks. sorry
Right now I am converting the base of the rom to fission. I would release the rom right now except for my website and paypal donate are not up and I want those things to be up before IU release the rom.
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thats fine i can live without it, if we get the status bar controls

lol
I'm almost done moving everything over to the fission base, I just have to make the black status bar theme and then test it out.
I will work on my website tonight and hopefully I can finish it by the end of tomorrow so I can release the rom.

All my requests have been slowly added to various ROMs so far, except one. Notification power controls would be absolutely amazing. The one feature I've never seen on a D2 ROM that I want a lot.

Well I just finished moving it over to a fission base so that is all i am working on
can't wait to release this thing
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All my requests have been slowly added to various ROMs so far, except one. Notification power controls would be absolutely amazing. The one feature I've never seen on a D2 ROM that I want a lot.
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Fast responding. Good battery life. Stable. And everything said above. And as much gingerbread stuff as possible.
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Pellegrini406 said:
Fast responding. Good battery life. Stable. And everything said above. And as much gingerbread stuff as possible.
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It should be very fast especially since it is based off of fission which is just about as fast as roms get on the DROID2.
Battery life should be decent as well.
Gingerbread is not really my thing but there should be a fair amount of gingerbread apps included.
Thanks,
ljbaumer

MIUI rom - why?

I've just checked out a couple of vids on Youtube of the MIUI rom on the Mytouch 4G. It has some nice looking animations, but I don't otherwise get why an Android user would want this rom. It looks like an iPhone - the system takes a big steaming dump of apps all over your home screens, and no launcher. It seems like a step backwards to me.
Can someone who uses this rom please convince me otherwise? What does it have that I can't get elsewhere?

I used to think the same, but when I gave it a bash it was VERY smooth! And with Launcher Pro on it, near perfect.
But there are so many more settings you can fiddle with on CM, I always go back to the best.
Flashed a CM7 nightly this morning,.... AMAAAAZING!

So you CAN install a launcher on it? I got the impression that you couldn't. Hmmm, I might give it a try when I have some time. What's battery life like - one video (admittedly for the MT4G) said it was pretty crap. That same video also said that RAM usage was considerably lower than Sense, which interests me.

Yeah man, standard MIUI launcher is junk IMO, no app drawer? Huh? Definitely get your launcher of choice on there straight away.
From what I remember (since November ish) battery life was ok, RAM was vgood. Yeah give it a bash,... the guy who has done the port has updated quite a few times since I tried it.

I love the standard launcher after 2 years of seeing either stock android launcher or ones similar to it , it is a nice change of pace

I didn't like miui at first but it grew on me. I was constantly trying to find the app launcher it runs fast and you can customize the heck out of it!
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I was really impressed with it, actually. Very lightweight on the system.
If you don't like the lack of drawer (I hate it...thinking a hybrid with an app drawer would be perfection) you can get stuff tucked away in folders, or use launcher pro.
It just looks and feels so fresh and clean...but it's just not what I personally love about Android. A great option that's totally different.
It's also a great UI for iphone converters...
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I've just checked out a couple of vids on Youtube of the MIUI rom on the Mytouch 4G. It has some nice looking animations, but I don't otherwise get why an Android user would want this rom. It looks like an iPhone - the system takes a big steaming dump of apps all over your home screens, and no launcher. It seems like a step backwards to me.
Can someone who uses this rom please convince me otherwise? What does it have that I can't get elsewhere?
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Thats exactly it, MIUI is just like an I phone without restrictions! You can add, take away and do anything You want with it maintaining its beauty and speed! Ive tryed every rom, after playing w/ rom's UI for a few minutes I went bak to MIUI. Theres nothing like it try MIUI and you'll never go bak.

MIUI = ew
That's just me though, I'm a CM fanboii

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MIUI = ew
That's just me though, I'm a CM fanboii
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I'm inclined to agree with you. I gave it a try, but those iPhone-esque menus had me running for the hills - it just seemed wrong!
In the last couple of days I've been through the stock Sense rom (too heavy on the hardware), MIUI (just no), Enomther's Official (battery life poor) and CM 6.1.1 (battery life poor). I'm currently draining the battery so I can charge properly and wipe batt stats on CM - hopefully that will help. But if not then I'm going to have to roll back to the stock rom, which is a real shame because all the others run so quick even at 800mhz...

setspeed said:
I've just checked out a couple of vids on Youtube of the MIUI rom on the Mytouch 4G. It has some nice looking animations, but I don't otherwise get why an Android user would want this rom. It looks like an iPhone - the system takes a big steaming dump of apps all over your home screens, and no launcher. It seems like a step backwards to me.
Can someone who uses this rom please convince me otherwise? What does it have that I can't get elsewhere?
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Thats exactly it, MIUI is just like an I phone without restrictions! You can add, take away and do anything You want with it maintaining its beauty and speed! Ive tryed every rom, after playing w/ rom's UI for a few minutes I went bak to MIUI. Theres nothing like it try MIUI and you'll never go bak.

Try It!
i have been running CyanM since went to Android with tthe N1 and I can say its making me think! I like the polish. The initial setup was a little slower because of the lack of app draw and having to tuck things away. After that I can say I am really digging the Rom

I really like the notification put-down with the toggles at the bottom. Looks so good and super functional.
Edit: but I use virtuous as my daily.
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I've finally settled on a ROM - Sparksmod Extra HotSauce. Basically CMod with loads of pretty icons and animations. I love it so much, it's satisfied both the need for speed/lightweight on RAM, and having the eye candy to show off.
Install a decent laucher like ADW EX or LauncherPro (which now has transition animations too), and it blows anything else away. I can't recommend it highly enough. My iPhone-toting friends are jealous as well.

At first I didn't like it... Then it grew on me.... Then I didn't like it again (had too many apps on homescreen)... Now I like it again..... I like just installed Touchwiz launcher (I know.. Wut? ) and love it again IMO Touchwiz launcher is like MIUI's with an app drawer xD (I prefer though )

my question is : why not
the easy theme-ing + change icons / pull down widget = win
if u dont like the iphone-ish look, put ADW EX on top of it
i do like how i can organize stuff with the folders
that + the ease of uninstalling apps when i dont like them,
it sucks having to wait to go through setting and wait 30 secs to generate the whole list.
oh the smoothness too

Seriously... why not?? I use miui for a few reasons..
1. Bad ass lock screen.. by far the best. IMHO (Music control, custom wallpaper, quick launch phone and messaging app) yeah you COULD just use widget locker.. but that slows phone down and drains battery life.. not as sick as default miui I think.
2. Themes.. the themes available look amazing, completely customize all your icons, better than you can get with adw, lp or any made for cyanogenmod.. and you can mix and match what themes parts you want applied.
3. Notification bar.. toggles on the pulldown are great.. ya you can do basically the same with cyanogenmod, but not as polished IMO..
4. battery life isn't an issue for me.. or ram.. basically the same as cyanogen 6.1.1... haven't tried cm7. So no input there.
5. Updated every Friday. which is nice..
Yeah its iphone-ish since all the icons are uniformed.. and menus, I don't spend all my time changing settings so menus don't bother me.. easier to navigate then stock android IMO but with icons I actually like that about it.. I use adw launcher ex. So I have a launcher.. I don't use the stock launcher with miui. Personally I don't care for it.. i hate apps on my homescreen... IMO they belong in the launcher.. widgets belong on the homescreen. But that's just me.. to each there own. I switch between cyanogen mod 6.1.1 and miui... I just nand backup each so I can switch between both whenever I feel the need. there both esentially set up the exact same. Same apps and launchers.. I'm been on cyanogen mod since I had a mytouch 18 months ago till miui was ported.. it mixes things up, I don't think it takes away from android.. it gives you the best of both worlds in my opinion..
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I have to say, that Im loving the Miui. Sure, it comes with no app drawer and it looks too close to an iphone, but one thing I give credit to apple, is the glossy and high resolution look to their icons and layouts.
I use Launcher pro and it makes me a happy Android fan. I get to load new themes with the least amount of effort whatsoever. Its amazing how quickly you can change the look of your phone.
The lockscreen is the best ive seen. I dont experience lags for a rom that is quite stylish and has so many features. The customization on this rom is out of this world. There's a setting for anything Ive wanted to change (minus changing the color of the notification bar).
So, to summerize: It runs fast, it looks really good with easy theme changing ability and it lets you customize the heck out of it.
The battery life is decent. I havent noticed a major difference between any of the roms ive tried when it comes to that. Btw, I have been on CM 6.1.1 and supervillianz and the default sense. This is the only rom that made me NOT change and try other roms. Im quite happy with what I have. Why look elsewhere

[ARC] Easiest way to have Gingerbread .62 rooted

I've been reading through this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320350&page=39 and I found out that the .62 version of stock Gingerbread cannot be rooted so easily as .42.
I'm using AOKP Jelly Bean now and I'm tired of its lagginess and unstableness. So I'm switching back to GB.
My thoughts are, what if I flashtool GB .62 and install a pre-rooted kernel, will it work? Which kernel?
My main objective: have the latest stock GB rooted.
Thanks!

look at the bottom half of this guide. it shows you how i think

jman2131 said:
look at the bottom half of this guide. it shows you how i think
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Thanks, but it teaches how to root .42

Give some of these a read - root arc 4.0.2.a.0.62

XperienceD said:
Give some of these a read - root arc 4.0.2.a.0.62
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The fact is that I have unlocked boot loader, which makes OTA update unlikely.

quera said:
The fact is that I have unlocked boot loader, which makes OTA update unlikely.
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flash a .62 rom and then flash a pre-rooted kernel such as "doomlord v22" or "advanced stock (by doomlord)"

pablopablo said:
flash a .62 rom and then flash a pre-rooted kernel such as "doomlord v22" or "advanced stock (by doomlord)"
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Thanks, I managed this afternoon. I flashed .62 GB with Sony Emma and then installed latest DoomKernel for gingerbread and flashed RootXperia.zip.
Gingerbread is much faster and camera is awesome, but geez, If I had never used ICS or JB it would be ok, but it's just when we use a previous version that we realize how much things have improved since GB. I can't use it. I'll probably try Jelly Sandwich tomorrow.

quera said:
Gingerbread is much faster and camera is awesome, but geez, If I had never used ICS or JB it would be ok, but it's just when we use a previous version that we realize how much things have improved since GB. I can't use it. I'll probably try Jelly Sandwich tomorrow.
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What exactly is this BIG crucial thing you are missing from ICS? I also used ICS for almost 2 months, and get back to GB with no problems at all. I just realised how MUCH more this phone is productive and usable with GB.
And I can name you few big things ICS lacks compared to GB.
Gaming performance is ridiculous, as well as overal smoothness, compared to GB. HD recording is better in GB, and wi-fi is better. Battery life is better. Every single app is faster. Browsing web is better.
When you see this things, it turns that every thing crucial for an smartphone is better, so someone is willing to abandon all this, just for the sake of having "new" fancy software, even it's crippled quite a lot, compared to "old" one.

mr_torture said:
What exactly is this BIG crucial thing you are missing from ICS? I also used ICS for almost 2 months, and get back to GB with no problems at all. I just realised how MUCH more this phone is productive and usable with GB.
And I can name you few big things ICS lacks compared to GB.
Gaming performance is ridiculous, as well as overal smoothness, compared to GB. HD recording is better in GB, and wi-fi is better. Battery life is better. Every single app is faster. Browsing web is better.
When you see this things, it turns that every thing crucial for an smartphone is better, so someone is willing to abandon all this, just for the sake of having "new" fancy software, even it's crippled quite a lot, compared to "old" one.
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In fact, I miss small improvements, such as status bar. I'll try to numerate somethings I miss:
1) In JB I could read my new email right from Status Bar, without the need to open gmail;
2) I could just swipe to remove some notifications from the status bar;
3) Roboto font-family looks better in ICS+ (but I could live without);
4) Gmail has more features in ICS+, yeah I know it's google's fault;
5) I had toggles (wifi, gps, rotate, torch) right from the status bar in JB AOKP - this is what I most miss;
6) Battery percentage with circular icon in status bar;
7) Ability to access camera faster through lock screen (I installed Holo Locker, but sometimes it doesn't work).
I also tried Jelly Bean Statusbar (from play store), but it lacks all features above.
mr_torture, if you could point some ways to bring these items back to GB (I'm using GB yet) I would be very glad , especially item 5 (status bar toggles).

mr_torture said:
When you see this things, it turns that every thing crucial for an smartphone is better, so someone is willing to abandon all this, just for the sake of having "new" fancy software, even it's crippled quite a lot, compared to "old" one.
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Each to their own, I don't find ICS to be that bad, especially when it's been tweaked a little and from what I've read on here GB is only really better for those that like to play a lot of games on their Phone.

Yeah, I know there are some small fancy things which holds you from going back, and they kept me also for almost two months.
There's no doubt that fully working ICS is much better than fully working GB, noone will argue that.
I'm just saying that ICS implementation for this phone is not among the best, mostly because of crappy performance. Everything else could be lived with, but those lags are just pain in the a.s.s.
Yes, gmail is very limited in GB, and yes, the Roboto font is looking better, and yes, ICS user interface is sleeker and coherent...
But when you balance all good vs bad things, somehow it all comes down to speed and usability. And GB is clear winner there.
Regarding this bulleted number 5, there are at least three options I can think of:
1. Notification Toggle
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...SwiZGUuajR2ZWxpbi5ub3RpZmljYXRpb25Ub2dnbGUiXQ..
2. Power Toggles
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5wYWlubGVzcy5wYyJd
3. Elixir 2
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...SwxLDEsImNvbS5iYXJ0YXQuYW5kcm9pZC5lbGl4aXIiXQ..
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XperienceD said:
Each to their own, I don't find ICS to be that bad, especially when it's been tweaked a little and from what I've read on here GB is only really better for those that like to play a lot of games on their Phone.
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I'm talking about stock GB vs stock ICS.
Yeah, it's better for those who would like to play games from time to time, who would like to have better WiFi coverage, who would like to from-wake-to-capture photos fast, who would like to record unchoppy videos, who would like to perform multitasking without phone going almost unresponsive, etc etc...
Yes, ICS is more fancy, is having small improvements, is looking better, is "new" software, etc etc... But in terms of actual performance and real life usability, it's uncomparable with GB.

I installed Notification Toggle and it's running fine! Thanks!
Now I only need battery percentage to be shown with a circular icon in status bar

quera said:
Now I only need battery percentage to be shown with a circular icon in status bar
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You can try this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...mh1YmFsZWsuYW5kcm9pZC5hcHBzLnJlYm9ybi5wcm8iXQ..
Free version:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ibmV0Lmh1YmFsZWsuYW5kcm9pZC5yZWJvcm4uYmV0YSJd
This will add icon on left edge of status bar. But it's not free, and your top right battery icon will remain there. If you want to replace battery icon then search for some custom status bar mods in "Theme & Apps" section.
There are some other apps in play store capable of adding circuar battery icon, but I'm in lazy mode currently.

quera said:
In fact, I miss small improvements, such as status bar. I'll try to numerate somethings I miss:
1) In JB I could read my new email right from Status Bar, without the need to open gmail;
2) I could just swipe to remove some notifications from the status bar;
3) Roboto font-family looks better in ICS+ (but I could live without);
4) Gmail has more features in ICS+, yeah I know it's google's fault;
5) I had toggles (wifi, gps, rotate, torch) right from the status bar in JB AOKP - this is what I most miss;
6) Battery percentage with circular icon in status bar;
7) Ability to access camera faster through lock screen (I installed Holo Locker, but sometimes it doesn't work).
I also tried Jelly Bean Statusbar (from play store), but it lacks all features above.
mr_torture, if you could point some ways to bring these items back to GB (I'm using GB yet) I would be very glad , especially item 5 (status bar toggles).
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Why don't you try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1910549
[MOD][GB 2.3.4] Modded ICS inspired UI with toggles
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For me ics is unasble on our devices because of the horrible multitasking. I get better batterylife on ics and i think the interface looks better plus there are some nice features like swiping notifications and using the notificationbar in lockscreen. but if i start switching between my apps quickly (Whatsapp, Browser, Xda, Messages, Facebook, IMDB) every app has to load from start everytime i switch. this doesnt happen in gb and thats the main reason for me to stay on gb.