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Potentially speed up our N1's in the near future?

Just read this article here:
http://androinica.com/2010/02/08/wa...ts-3xs-faster-myriad-wants-to-give-it-to-you/
Wonder what that's going to mean for us?

Exactly as described in the article: better performance and better battery life.

Sounds cool, hopefully they're working on integrating this.

Sounds good.
Currently, though, the N1 can sometimes be choppy because the homescreen uses processing power instead of the GPU. I'm hoping Google will get around to fixing that, because as it stands the GPU is utilized very little.

grainysand said:
Sounds good.
Currently, though, the N1 can sometimes be choppy because the homescreen uses processing power instead of the GPU. I'm hoping Google will get around to fixing that, because as it stands the GPU is utilized very little.
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Do you have a source for this information? It makes sense and I've been wondering why my homescreen lags a bit sometimes while my buddies Sprint Hero runs smooth.
Would be awesome if they found a way to fix it like you say

that would be AMAZING! Mostly for G1, MT3G... owners but i also wouldn t mind it on my N1!!!
Add a better keyboard and open up the RAM, to that new engine and we will have the ultimate phone!

I'm assuming that this 'turbo' dalvik uses some kind of just in time compilation to achieve it's speed increases.
As such, this is already available in android 2.*, but disabled currently as it's experimental.

noodles12 said:
Do you have a source for this information? It makes sense and I've been wondering why my homescreen lags a bit sometimes while my buddies Sprint Hero runs smooth.
Would be awesome if they found a way to fix it like you say
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'Fraid I don't--I remember having read it somewhere, likely on this forum. People've noted that some home replacement apps will run smoother than the stock launcher, however, as those apps make full use of the GPU.
I tried out home replacements for a while, didn't like any of them, and have since set my "window animation" under Settings -> Display to "Some animation." Homescreen no longer lags unless I'm using one of those questionably-optimized third-party live wallpapers.

grainysand said:
'Fraid I don't--I remember having read it somewhere, likely on this forum. People've noted that some home replacement apps will run smoother than the stock launcher, however, as those apps make full use of the GPU.
I tried out home replacements for a while, didn't like any of them, and have since set my "window animation" under Settings -> Display to "Some animation." Homescreen no longer lags unless I'm using one of those questionably-optimized third-party live wallpapers.
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reading this does remind me i have noticed something that I did find strange.
Using the stock launcher with only 3 pages of widgets and shortcuts, it shows I have about 230mb ram free in Taskpanel.
But when i use Home++, with the same layout, icons and widgets i get near the 270mb free ram mark.
I understand Task Panel may not be the most accurate or whatever but I've done this a few times and it must be something different.

Sorry for the off topic. Im starting to notice something with posts is all... using taskpanel i have never seen more than 80Mb RAM free. thats after killing all background tasks. How the hell are you showing 230Mb?

He is presumably using the highmem kernel.

My thoughts on the Cyanogen Mod Rom VS Virtuous Rom

Cyanogen mod Rom:
Pro:
-fast in terms of browsing through the menus and such (IE not lagging AT ALL when I scroll down hundreds of .apk files I have on my SD card)
-barebone ROM ready for customization (void of many apps the stock ROM and Virtuous ROM comes with)
Cons:
-lack of installed programs (had to install Android Market separately for goodness sakes)
-lack of flashiness (not as sexy as Sense Rom)
-much slower bootup time
Virtuous
Pro:
-sexier interface (HTC Sense)
-faster shutdown and bootup time (3 seconds and 2 seconds respectively)
-a lot more apps preinstalled
Cons:
-a bit sluggish when browsing through apps and such (IE trying to scroll through 100+ apps on your SD card)
There you have it folks. The completely subjective guide to these two ROMS.
This should be a good starter for Android noobs like I was two weeks ago when I first got the phone.
These two ROMS have little tweaks and mods that the stock ROM does not have that honestly go over my head but is suppose to give performance enhancements and streamline various processes.
Reason people use CM is because it is like the Google Chrome of internet browers; it is lightning fast.
Reason people use Virtuous is because it is more user friendly. You don't have to spend so much time researching where to download GAPPS and flash it with ROM manager like you would if you use CM.
I personally used the Virtuous ROM when I first started out, and I just moved to the CM ROM today once I got the hang of things.
Stock CM homescreen was kind of dull and unappealing so I downloaded Launcher Pro and downloaded customized docks for it, and now it looks pretty damn sexy.
That's just my two cents on these things.

I have CM RC3 w/ launcher pro. I find that at times when going back to my homescreen the widgets lag about a second or two behind. When I used sence on the device it would lag a lot. I would pull down the status bar and I had to wait for it to pull down, that's why I made the jump to CM. I really enjoy CM and have cut back on the widgets to prevent a lag.
Edit: CM has a separate zip with all the Google apps like market so OP I don't see why that would be a con. CM builds also have trackpad wake built in.
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Great starting point on a comparison guide.
However, how is the CM Rom "Barebone"..? It has many features over stock and destroys any other build I have ever seen on any phone to date. The lack of Google apps was from an order by Google to not include any Google apps in roms. That is why there is the Gapps.zip located where the download is for the CM Roms.
I personally hate sense user interface since I like to have a single blank screen besides a clock widget and a pacman wallpaper. No app drawer Icon since i use flick up to open the drawer.

That reminds me.
I forgot to mention that my G2 is overclocked to about 1.2 ghz and I have 1 calendar widget, 1 SetCPU widget, and 3 app shortcuts. That's it.
Overclocking works wonders, for those of you who wonder if overclocking has appreciable differences or not.
danielefeldt said:
Great starting point on a comparison guide.
However, how is the CM Rom "Barebone"..? It has many features over stock and destroys any other build I have ever seen on any phone to date. The lack of Google apps was from an order by Google to not include any Google apps in roms. That is why there is the Gapps.zip located where the download is for the CM Roms.
I personally hate sense user interface since I like to have a single blank screen besides a clock widget and a pacman wallpaper. No app drawer Icon since i use flick up to open the drawer.
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I suppose everyone has their own taste. Some people like to load their screens full of random ass widgets. Some people like it simple and have a clean homescreen. Others compromise between the two (like me)
And your point is duly noted.

ddgarcia05 said:
I have CM RC3 w/ launcher pro. I find that at times when going back to my homescreen the widgets lag about a second or two behind. When I used sence on the device it would lag a lot. I would pull down the status bar and I had to wait for it to pull down, that's why I made the jump to CM. I really enjoy CM and have cut back on the widgets to prevent a lag.
Edit: CM has a separate zip with all the Google apps like market so OP I don't see why that would be a con. CM builds also have trackpad wake built in.
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Yes it is a setting you have to enable under Cyanogenmod settings...

danielefeldt said:
Yes it is a setting you have to enable under Cyanogenmod settings...
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duly noted.

Also Sense UI takes up quite a bit more memory and it shows in benchmarks and in high end applications.
CM is stripped down so you can add items you want to add to it such as transitions and other UI tweaks with out having all the bloat of Sense UI.
Sense UI is ok and all but soon as you try to adjust your pixel density it will look like ass =/

It's all personal prefence. I like the Sense ui, but it really does take up a lot of memory. Using the Advanced Task Manager with Sense I can see when I free up memory, I'll have about 100mb left, meanwhile with the stock rom, clearing out apps, will give me about 190-200mb.
Not that it matters, because Android has great Ram management but still for the self conscience ones it bothers them.

i like virtuous because its nice and fast enough for me

Nice little basic write up.
My first ROM to ever flash was the CM V6.1.0-RC4, and I found the GAPPS, after much researching.
I kinda like that way I have stuff set up after 3 days of permroot, and flashing this ROM, so I don't know if I need to test the waters and see about the Virtuous.
I've never had the delay on wake-ups, and the start up time beats the hell out of stock.
I love waking my phone up from the track pad, that was always weird to me having to hit the power key twice to unlock on stock.
BillY

Both roms are VERY good roms. I personally switch back and forth here and there for the fun of it. But my personal favorite would have to be CM. Virtous isnt too far behind it though.

Sense or no sense thats the difference. The only difference imo.
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i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
2.friends streams
3.news streams
4.full size stock
5. looks good
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy

G1_enthusiast said:
i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy
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I'd just like to point out that CM has implemented an FM Radio app in the later builds, and battery life could not be better (18 hours under normal use for me).

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G1_enthusiast said:
i go with virtuos because
1.FM radio
2.friends streams
3.news streams
4.full size stock
5. looks good
6.heard CM rom eat battery like crazy
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Plus
Virtuous pros:
->Updating is a breeze.. I love the patches, unlike CM that you need to download huge file plus google apps and wipe every time update is around.
->I think there is more camera/video function on the virtuous.
->I love the hidden top taskbar.. multitasking is made easy.
->Built in Titanium back up
->Built in QuickOffice
->Did I say.. DLNA?
...---- You can output your pictures, videos and music to your TV.. how cool is that.
->When you hold and press power button, it gives you so many power related choices.
->Built in, SMS, MMS widget
->Register to HTC sense and when your phone is stolen, you can locate it.
->Much better car panel.
->I love the wheel like GUI when you adjust time/alarm... it is so much easier.
->'Clock' , has many functions.. Timer/Stop watch/world Clock....
->The clock + weather widget.. your screen rains/clouds/etc depending on the weather.
->Flip the phone while ringing and it will silent it.. very good function during meetings.
->I think it rings louder when it is inside your pocket.
->It has it's own navigation app.. It downloaded something on my first use... I think that's the local map loaded in your phone. You could probably still use navigation without data connection.
->FM radio is already stated above.
Virtuous cons:
->no built in swype yet
CM pros:
->unlike virtuous, you can put to phone to 'silent' so easily
->And, I have used CM for a long time.. could be that I am just used to it.

none of the ROMS have built in swype.

convolution said:
none of the ROMS have built in swype.
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I might be wrong but i think pauls rom does have swype also the vinilla villian or somthing like that. Anyway you can add swype to any of them pretty easy.
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Both great ROMS
I think that they are both great ROMs. I keep going from one to the other as soon as a new revision comes out. I do think that Virtuous could use the silent option in the power options, a percentage indicator when charging, and the auto rotate when in the home screen. Other than that, both ROMs ROCK!

ositogriz said:
I think that they are both great ROMs. I keep going from one to the other as soon as a new revision comes out. I do think that Virtuous could use the silent option in the power options, a percentage indicator when charging, and the auto rotate when in the home screen. Other than that, both ROMs ROCK!
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I generally use Battery Watcher for power percentage (shows it even when charging). Virtuous does have a silent option in the power options thing and also rotates now.
I use a sense based virtuous rom with launcher pro since I like the HTC apps (not so much the widgets). Uploading to facebook via gallery could not be easier and better managed. Also, the HTC camera app is really good! HTC sms app lags a little when I have over 400 messages to load and the contacts app lacks a filter.
HTC apps are the only thing holding me back from going CM
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I think they are both excellent roms however I don't care for all the dev added stuff. Its like t mobile only with the developers marks all over the place. Personally I use Enomther's rom and will always recommend him over any other. Stable, added optional goodies and lightning fast everything anyone could want. As far as sense roms go I would use EvilD'S mt4g rom as its amazing!

HTC Sense

I notice there are a few different ROM's for the DHD, some with Sense some without.
Whats the actual difference, does Sence in some way slow the phone down?
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
So, are there advantages to running a more vanilla android version with some widgets over the sense style ROMs.
I am on mike1986's Android Revolution.

I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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Trig0r said:
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
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If you root the phone using VISIONary+ you can delete/rename the Lockscreen.apk I believe and it will return to the vanilla lockscreen. As for jazzy widgets that's a Sense thing, unless you buy and install LauncherPro over ADW.Launcher, LauncherPro has People, Bookmarks, Calaendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook & Friends widgets that can be used. There is also music widget control using Cyanogen.
I find sense slow and garish, it slows down the phone for no good reason, ASOP ROMs are much lighter and look, IMO, much prettier and unique.

jokies said:
I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.

i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water

rosswaa said:
i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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People like the simplicity of Cyanogen. Sense slows even the DHD down, it's aweful. And to boot pretty much everyone with an Android phone has it. It's better to be unique.

you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others

rosswaa said:
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.

rosswaa said:
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Point well made.
I really can't notice nay slow down due to Sense whatsoever. I really do think that someone should clearly "sell" the advantages of dumping Sense, other than just plain old enthusiasm for hacking something. I think it is more down to aesthetics than anything else. Try other ROMs and see if you like them, you might. I like the fact that HTC have at least tried to add value to Android.
A further irony is having come from the Magic I can vouch for the fact that much effort was put into porting Sense to that plain Android phone.
Sorry, no lag when I scroll my SMS or App drawer. The DHD can definitely deal with the demands of Sense.

Sense is pretty cool and only lags if you try to make it. I think that if all Android phones came with Cyanogen as the stock ROM then the Sense ROM would be a massive hit. Cyanogen is definitely a good choice because it's clean and fast but until i actually need my Desire HD to run faster and more efficiently i won't use it. That's why i will go sort of halfway and flash a cooked sense based ROM like Leedroid.

Kalavere said:
Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not

sHaHiN786 said:
I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.
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I have to admit I didn't try it out on desire hd but I tried it when I'm with a hero. Say, cyan is for dev and sense is for users. Whatever you get what you want.
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rosswaa said:
look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.

If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?

eozen81 said:
If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.

Kalavere said:
You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?

eozen81 said:
Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Not that, I know of. Sense Copy & Paste is one of them, there is no magnification window when you copy and paste on the DHD, and the louder ring, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Kalavere said:
Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
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lol who said it had to be standard? sense comes with to much bloatware, so i remove most of it
have you tried this theme addon? http://classical-gas.blogspot.com/2010/12/jamt-htc-desire-cyanogenmod-610rc2.html
works real nice i have cyan set up alight atm but hopefuly not long till the ginger comes along

I am back on a sense rom. Rcmixhd since adfree and other components work correctly unlike on the other sense roms I've tried. I used to love Cyanogen on my Nexus One but the new sense is very slick indeed.
It does not lag. It does take a little longer to boot and use more memory but who cares when we have so much ram on the dhd. I don't know how the amount of room it takes can be an issue either considering we have 1.5gb rom. I still have 0.9gb free with 54 apps installed.
tbh I still love cyanogenmod but its htc locations which is keeping me on sense. Its the best android offline navigator I've tried in terms of routing here in New zealand and I love the fact I can just buy a cheap 1 month subscription for navigation in another country when I go overseas. Any other app one is forced to buy a complete package for that country at considerably larger cost.
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I really don't like the Sense launcher, I use adw, but sense has lots of little modifications that are just nice to have. Text selection, quick lookup, freaking awesome dialer, flip to speaker etc
I'm running android revolution hd, no lags, excellent battery (whole day with pretty heavy use. Needs charging every night but I can use all the phones features as much as I like and not give the battery a second thought) also 2400 in quadrant. So all in all i really rate sense.

[Q] RoyalGinger V1.5

What do you want to see or not see in RoyalGinger V1.5?
Like I said in the actual RoyalGinger thread on the Development page we wanted to pull the community and see what you guys like and dont like and what you want to see and what you dont want to see. I know at least for me I might try other Roms especially for testing but I always come back to RoyalGinger, This little red head has in my opinion everything a Rom needs and everything a Rom user wants. So just to make it more of the Peoples Rom we wanted to see what you guys like and what you guys dont like.
So please keep it short and simple if you want to see a specific thing like a Theme or a Mod please include the link to the thread.
It will help us find what we are looking for and get to making your wishes happen. If you want something just let us know we will honestly try our hardest to meet every wish of the community for V1.5. If we dont get your idea into 1.5 I will let you know and let you know if it is possible and if it will be coming on a later release.
Thank You all for your support.
Link to the MAIN RoyalGinger Thread can be Found Here - Click Here

Please include the original stock Desk Dock app, if possible.
Much appreciated!!!

voodoodoo1226 said:
Please include the original stock Desk Dock app, if possible.
Much appreciated!!!
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Do you mean the stock clock that flips with the Weather? if so I cant include the one made by HTC cause that is a Sense Only item and it is not Open Source, But I am pretty sure I can accommodate your request with something. So great suggestion it will be in the next release.

Royalknight6190 said:
Do you mean the stock clock that flips with the Weather? if so I cant include the one made by HTC cause that is a Sense Only item and it is not Open Source, But I am pretty sure I can accommodate your request with something. So great suggestion it will be in the next release.
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Yes, it is that one. No wonder the question has been asked a few times on the net (when I Googled) and no one seems to know.
Ok, no problem. There are a few other apps out there that are similar. But not quite. Thanks though.

Top request if at all possible would be the original camera. Picture quality is better and speed is wayyyy faster.
DSP Manager
Car Dock (even though it’s available as apks)
Genius Button (I personally like it)
Ability to mute camera sound

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Top request if at all possible would be the original cameral. Picture quality is better and speed is wayyyy faster.
DSP Manager
Car Dock (even though it’s available as apks)
Genius Button (I personally like it)
Ability to mute camera sound
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I think each one of those are very do able. Thanks for the suggestions.
Well this is a good start 2 requests that are not off the way and 2 requests that are very easy to add in. Thank you guys.

How about boot animation sound?
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dragone5 said:
How about boot animation sound?
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That's another great idea. I have been working on that already and yes that will be in the next release.
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Personally, I like this Rom as is... Though I moved on to using Royal Mint as my daily just because of the sense look... Love the work TeamRoyal... I have the zip, and a backup with all my most used apps for EVERY Rom I have ran across with the TeamRoyal name on it...
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1. Ability to receive MMS view like on stock froyo.
I hit download, and it rarely works. Stock it normally already has picture showing, instead of hitting download.
2. A big pickup, although i don't think it is possible, would be to add date along with clock in status bar.
3. Calendar similar to stock calendar, which is default month view.
4. I love the themes with battery display % options.
BTW, you guys are most excellent!

royalknight, hope you gets to feeling better, brohim....
all in all, fantastic rom, but.... (and since you're asking), this is what i would like added:
(1) stock mt4g calendar (pink in color i believe) because there's more options than the one included with RG (ie. ability to have agenda view when executed). if it's tied to sense and can't be ported to RG, then no worries.
(2) use of the genius button with dragon dictation (already mentioned). i'm not sure if i'm the minority here, but i used that app a lot.
(3) desk dock/car dock (already mentioned).
(4) stock camera (already mentioned).
not sure if there's anything else that this rom needs as i'm sure the more you add, the better chance it will become slower...

The problem with the "stock" apps you are all referring to from the original rom, is that they require sense frameworks to function. Unless HTC open sources sense, we may never be able to make it happen. (doesn't mean we can't try )

I think this should stay as close to stock Google as possible.
By trying to add in all this sense stuff... why don't you guys just use a sense rom and install the gingerbread launcher. That's basically what you want this rom to be.
I enjoy this rom because of how minimal it is. Please keep sense junk out.
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camalus said:
I think this should stay as close to stock Google as possible.
By trying to add in all this sense stuff... why don't you guys just use a sense rom and install the gingerbread launcher. That's basically what you want this rom to be.
I enjoy this rom because of how minimal it is. Please keep sense junk out.
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People's request in AOSP roms are always sense related add on's. Launcher pro has some good alternatives for sense widgets and so forth. But I agree, keep this rom bare and clean in AOSP standards. Although I would like it if you guys added Torch app back on
And I do have a question, I love the rover theme included, but I feel like that actual battery percentage decreases my battery life by a lot everytime I use that theme. Any way you can take out that battery percentage out in the middle of that circle?

camalus said:
I think this should stay as close to stock Google as possible.
By trying to add in all this sense stuff... why don't you guys just use a sense rom and install the gingerbread launcher. That's basically what you want this rom to be.
I enjoy this rom because of how minimal it is. Please keep sense junk out.
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+2.....close to aosp....
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mackster248 said:
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People's request in AOSP roms are always sense related add on's. Launcher pro has some good alternatives for sense widgets and so forth. But I agree, keep this rom bare and clean in AOSP standards. Although I would like it if you guys added Torch app back on
And I do have a question, I love the rover theme included, but I feel like that actual battery percentage decreases my battery life by a lot everytime I use that theme. Any way you can take out that battery percentage out in the middle of that circle?
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The battery life decreases due to the broadcast message required every time it changes a percentage and has to call a new image to be displayed.

option94 said:
The battery life decreases due to the broadcast message required every time it changes a percentage and has to call a new image to be displayed.
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man bummer... i love that theme but thats a killer for me. anyway you knwo how to take it out?

A completely blacked out (inverted them would be really nice) Kind of like the the terminal settigns, but with maybe more feel and texture than those. I do a lot of night use, that would be good. I like the terminal ones, but some things completely get lost in the transition. Now I am asking for too much!
This rom is so customizable, and now that I have a clean install, the fc have for the most part disappeared, and I have not even thought about flashing stock, like I normally did.

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The problem with the "stock" apps you are all referring to from the original rom, is that they require sense frameworks to function. Unless HTC open sources sense, we may never be able to make it happen. (doesn't mean we can't try )
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10-4, just wasn't sure how feasible it was... it's not a deal breaker if none of those happen, but he asked... have a good one, option...

thought the stock camera was a part of the sense framework as well, could be wrong.
My main request is to have a ROM specific theme. I switch ROMs a lot and after flashing lots of ROMs now on different phones (I'm the go-to guy at work now), I like the aesthetic touches a lot of devs put on their ROMs. You guys are adding more and more tweaks in this regard, so I doubt this even needs to be a request, but it's really cool to see those extra touches. After seeing gingerbread on so many different phones now, I've come to learn how unimpressive it is visually. Using the theme engine could then satisfy the themers out there, giving them the option to use what they want, but allow you guys to offer the Royal Theme that makes the ROM your own. I've also seen things like boot animation/fonts/optional app install scripts written into the settings. Things like that offer customization within the ROM and help it to stand out from AOSP GB.

What I like about AOSP...

... if nothing else... Backups/Restores take a quarter of the time!

Thats it? I have tried AOSP roms a few times but they never lasted longer then a few hours. I just keep going back to Sense, I would love to hear about what is better about AOSP vs Sense. Are those backups including system data or just apps + their data?

What I like about aosp is the increased performance and customization. I get much better battery life compared to sense roms, my phone feels much snappier and the availability of themes/mods is unparalleled. Not to mention cm7 is always being updated and has the most support of any custom rom.
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I was trying out CM7 and while it was nice there were a few things I missed from my old rom and wasn't sure if I could get it on CM7.
On my old rom the pull down has the flashlight icon so I can turn it on and off easily also I was looking for some task bar themes. I found a few but not too many unless I'm not looking in the right place.
I really hate that standard gingerbread green theme.

You can put the flashlight toggle in the notification pulldown and you can also set it to death ray which is way brighter than the sense flashlight. That also reminds me of another useful feature that was added recently, you can long press an icon in the pull down menu and it will take you to the setting for that particular feature. As far as themes, there are quite a few in the market and floating around in the themes section as well.
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*sigh* anyone who claims they are getting dramatically better battery life on an aosp rom vs a sense rom needs to actually test it and show proof. I've done testing using apps like System Panel and Battery Monitor Widget and I saw NO difference in battery drain between cm6 and my stock sense rom. Neither when idle, asleep, or while actively using the phone.
On the dinc, the two biggest battery killers by far are the screen and 3g data. And no rom is going to change that.
I'm glad that we have options but I hate when people claim things are faster or have better battery life but offer no objective proof.

My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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Hm sorry if I don't want to spend my time making graphs and charts, doing testing etc, so I can "back up" my opinion that battery life and performance is better on aosp as opposed to sense.. As I see it, sense offers fancy graphics and social integration but of course uses more CPU and therefore battery as well. If this is a ridiculous claim I apologize.
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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.

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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.
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True, those things in sense are optional and not using them or syncing them less often could help but that kind of defeats the purpose of using a sense rom.. Not to mention that the framework that allows those things to work is still running in the background even if you're not using those services. AOSP kernels do seem to have better support as well.
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This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.

matoya said:
This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.
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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.

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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.
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First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?

I came from a Droid 2 and I'll definitely say sense>blur but was mainly attracted to the Inc because its fully unlockable and has goo(d dev support. Getting better battery and gingerbread is just a bonus.
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matoya said:
First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?
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We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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I've been doing some tests on CM7 recently... with my battery life.
I have the stock battery, using Tiamat 3.3.8, -25 UV. I don't use any self-updating widgets other than Fancy Widgets Home for weather and clock. On my second page I have SuperManager widget for monitoring free RAM, not saying it helps battery life, but definitely with performance. OC'ed at 1113, and using performance governor. LauncherPro Plus is my default launcher...
Yesterday when I went to sleep, my phone had been off of the charger for 13 hours plus, and I was still at 51%.
Perhaps I don't use my phone as much as ya'll... but I browsed internet for a good 45 minutes.... sent and received a total of about 50 text messages.... got about 4 emails (everything on autosync) and tweaked some settings in launcher pro.
Maybe it's because I stopped using so many autoupdating widgets, but the last week I have been seeing a dramatic improvement.

I find CM7 to be faster than Sense... until I load it up with widgets. Beautiful widget clock, calendar widget, contacts widget... Once I've added these, CM7 is noticeably laggier and generally slower than Sense.

donnyp1 said:
We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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And you don't think that's overreacting just a little? I didn't say I hate a person, I said that I hate a custom UI on a mobile operation system. The thread is about AOSP vs. Sense, and I simply commented that I greatly prefer the look and feel of AOSP Android to the look and feel of sense. I don't hate everything about sense, I like the flip clock widget and HTC's camera app is great, but the fact is that I do hate Sense's visual style and think that it is better suited for a children's toy then an actual piece of consumer electronics.

Up time, or time off the charger, means almost nothing, considering you'll only lose a percent every 2-3 hours. You guys need to look at your AWAKE time, time you are actually using the phone. I find I can typically get about five hours of awake time out of a full charge on my sense Rom. Cm7 gave me fourish, I don't recall what cm6 was but I know it wasn't as bad as 7.

BrettApple said:
My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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I have all three of these features on skyraider 4
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