I have upgraded to GB firmware recently, and the battery consumption now is quite bad. So i use Juice Defender(free), it says the battery improved by 1.4X, but overnight consumption in standby mode could cost up to 40%, is there any ways to solve this?
Thanks
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OnyxGraphite said:
I have upgraded to GB firmware recently, and the battery consumption now is quite bad. So i use Juice Defender(free), it says the battery improved by 1.4X, but overnight consumption in standby mode could cost up to 40%, is there any ways to solve this?
Thanks
* I not sure should i post it here or QnA, please shift if necessary.
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One suggestion is to stop using Juice Defender. I think it is keeping the the phone out of deep sleep, causing the overnight battery drain. Also, check if your wifi is set to turn off at screen off (Settings > Wifi > Wifi > [menu > advanced] > Wifi Sleep Policy). Turning off mobile data, or switching to 2g, will also help. Background data and syncing will also reduce battery life.
And yes, it should have been in Q&A.
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Frosty666 said:
One suggestion is to stop using Juice Defender. I think it is keeping the the phone out of deep sleep, causing the overnight battery drain. Also, check if your wifi is set to turn off at screen off (Settings > Wifi > Wifi > [menu > advanced] > Wifi Sleep Policy). Turning off mobile data, or switching to 2g, will also help. Background data and syncing will also reduce battery life.
And yes, it should have been in Q&A.
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I dont use data nor sync, i will only on the wifi if i need them, so i not sure why they drained so fast during the night since i off them, the day was ok(maybe due to JD).
Not sure is there any other alternative to help with this situation if i dont use JD?
Check your CPU usage using CPU spy overnight. Your phone should spend at least 90% in deep sleep. If not then something is keeping your phone awake burning up battery.
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Asa2303 said:
Check your CPU usage using CPU spy overnight. Your phone should spend at least 90% in deep sleep. If not then something is keeping your phone awake burning up battery.
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I just downloaded it from the market, all the bar have % in them, how do i just check overnight data?
You'll just have to leave your phone on through the night, then check CPU Spy again.
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You'll just have to leave your phone on through the night, then check CPU Spy again.
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The original data wont affect anything? Because the data now are quite low on the deep sleep. only 30over %.
Before you go to bed, reboot phone and then leave it. Check CPU when you wake.
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Just my 2 cents,
Juice Defender made my phone run extremely HOT
and the battery was draining significantly faster than usual.
Green Power Free is a good and free alternative, less features (only controls data & WiFi) but much easier to set-up too.
And it doesn't hurt battery life all that much.
Bear in mind though, any app that runs constantly in the background
and manages core phone functions, will impact your battery and CPU usage.
In my opinion, an APN and WiFi on/off widgets come quite handy.
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Before you go to bed, reboot phone and then leave it. Check CPU when you wake.
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Alright, got it. Will update the result within these few days and ask for more advice. Thanks guys.
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iridaki said:
Just my 2 cents,
Juice Defender made my phone run extremely HOT
and the battery was draining significantly faster than usual.
Green Power Free is a good and free alternative, less features (only controls data & WiFi) but much easier to set-up too.
And it doesn't hurt battery life all that much.
Bear in mind though, any app that runs constantly in the background
and manages core phone functions, will impact your battery and CPU usage.
In my opinion, an APN and WiFi on/off widgets come quite handy.
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I will try that and uninstall JD instead. =D
Actually i dont use data at all, so data ia off all the time. Wifi i used it at times, but i do off it when not in use. Sync i do not put it as auto too. I kill task quite often too.
EDIT: that app like dont do much, i didnt change change the setting at all, somewhat my basic settings. =X
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I kill task quite often too.
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DON'T.
See, most -if not all- task killers use a very "nasty" way to kill apps
and the system thinks that they crashed and immediately restarts them.
Which leads to increased CPU usage and battery drain.
Don't kill tasks, let Android handle its memory.
Does Android tell you what to eat and when?
Why should you tell it how to function?
If you have many useless apps that include background services,
(and I bet you have, since you are not using data and you installed Juice Defender! hehehe )
consider uninstalling them to "clean up" your phone.
iridaki said:
DON'T.
See, most -if not all- task killers use a very "nasty" way to kill apps
and the system thinks that they crashed and immediately restarts them.
Which leads to increased CPU usage and battery drain.
Don't kill tasks, let Android handle its memory.
Does Android tell you what to eat and when?
Why should you tell it how to function?
If you have many useless apps that include background services,
(and I bet you have, since you are not using data and you installed Juice Defender! hehehe )
consider uninstalling them to "clean up" your phone.
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Mostly i have is games and i do play them, i will uninstall them when i dont need them =X Some do pop out after crashing them, then i just force close them if they appear on the kill task list again.
Programs which appeared on the kill task list is what are actually running?
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Mostly i have is games and i do play them, i will uninstall them when i dont need them =X Some do pop out after crashing them, then i just force close them if they appear on the kill task list again.
Programs which appeared on the kill task list is what are actually running?
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No, programs in the kill task list can be in either one of 5 states.
Read this:
Android
On Android, apps are suspended when they are no longer visible to the user. Suspended means the app is still in memory, but it is frozen. No processing or event handling happens. If the system needs additional memory, the least-frequently used apps that are suspended (in the background) have their state saved to persistent storage and are then killed, freeing up their memory. To the user though, those apps still appear to be in the background. When they are brought to the foreground to be used again, they are restarted and passed an object containing their last state so they can be restored to look exactly as the user left them.
If an app requires processing while in the background, then it must also have a service component. A service on Android is like a separate small application that runs without a user interface in the background (though not actually a separate application). The service has a server/client relationship with the app. It performs whatever action an app needs it to continue performing should the app be suspended. For example, the service might handle all uploading, so if an app is placed in the background while an upload is in progress, the upload continues. Or, like Pandora, the service might handle all network streaming and audio output with the app only acting as the front-end controls. Unlike apps, services are not suspended or killed (except in extreme low-memory conditions).
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So, no need for task-killers, you are only making things worse. Trust me on that.
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My phone has been off the charger for roughly 3 hours and my batter is already down to 66% .. I spent about 10 minutes in the market and that's about it.
Battery status looks like this-
Android OS 70%
Display 10%
Android System 5%
Cell Standby 4%
Phone Idle 3%
Market 2 %
Any ideas on what is going on with my android OS?
*Running completely stock*
Rooted phones have a few extra options like cpu settings unvolted kernel. Stock phones-try to lower you brightness, shorten screen time out, turn off gps and bluetooth. There is a app called juicedefinder that seems to help.
check what services are running maybe?
settings>applications>running services
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My phone has been off the charger for roughly 3 hours and my batter is already down to 66% .. I spent about 10 minutes in the market and that's about it.
Battery status looks like this-
Android OS 70%
Display 10%
Android System 5%
Cell Standby 4%
Phone Idle 3%
Market 2 %
Any ideas on what is going on with my android OS?
*Running completely stock*
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You can click on Android OS and get a more detailed break down of what is using up the most juice in that subset... I am betting you downloaded an app at some point that is corrupt and running non-stop draining your battery.
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You can click on Android OS and get a more detailed break down of what is using up the most juice in that subset... I am betting you downloaded an app at some point that is corrupt and running non-stop draining your battery.
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I clicked on it from the battery status but it only lists CPU Total, Data Sent, and Data Received. Doesn't break out what programs are doing it.
Under the running services is there a way to see the programs power usage or perhaps an app that will do this?..
On a side note my battery is now down to 30% with it's only uses since it was at 66% was taking it out of standby every once in a while to see the battery usage. Android OS is now up to 73% of the usage..
You either have a high refresh rate for data on a running service, or you downloaded a program with crappy code that doesn't kill itself when not in use.
List your installed programs.
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I clicked on it from the battery status but it only lists CPU Total, Data Sent, and Data Received. Doesn't break out what programs are doing it.
Under the running services is there a way to see the programs power usage or perhaps an app that will do this?..
On a side note my battery is now down to 30% with it's only uses since it was at 66% was taking it out of standby every once in a while to see the battery usage. Android OS is now up to 73% of the usage..
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Odd... I am on a Desire ROM, but when I open up my system battery usage, AndroidOS isn't even showing, it has a long list of apps, and appears to be in order of battery usage. I could swear AndroidOS does the same.
Download Spare Parts from the market, then click on Usage Statistics to see which apps have been running the most, etc.
I am using Task Manager to autokill apps but I feel this tool is itself eating battery no??
How do you like this ??? ...(but: no WiFi/3G used !!)
Check out the battery & hours!
vegetaleb said:
I am using Task Manager to autokill apps but I feel this tool is itself eating battery no??
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Yes.
Task manager are running service(battery eaters) that monitors and closes apps in saved states(not battery eaters) and other running services. It's counter intuitive to run autokill applications because it itself, is wasting battery killing stuff that doesn't need to be killed.
Task managers that autokill are good for applications that have ****ty code and don't close themselves, or for programs that hang up.
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If you're autokill killing services alll day long, why are you even running the services? Just run then as needed.
my display is like 65/70% of the battery use
So you are using Cyanogen ROM
Try Emo or Desire Roms it should fix display battery problems
muncheese said:
Yes.
Task manager are running service(battery eaters) that monitors and closes apps in saved states(not battery eaters) and other running services. It's counter intuitive to run autokill applications because it itself, is wasting battery killing stuff that doesn't need to be killed.
Task managers that autokill are good for applications that have ****ty code and don't close themselves, or for programs that hang up.
Nothing More
If you're autokill killing services all day long, why are you even running the services? Just run then as needed.
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I've tried more taskkiller programs (ATM, Taskiller, etc) and came to the conclusion, that the ONLY auto task killer which actually SAVES battery (compared to setup w/o task killer program) is Task Panel. Don't ask me why/ how, but with TaskPanel my N1 is fast en lean, battery lasts about 130% of native (w/o/ TaskPanel).
Of course, question is whether task killer necessary, but as I use lots of widgets, programs, in my experience task killing helps to keep my N1 fast..
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So you are using Cyanogen ROM
Try Emo or Desire Roms it should fix display battery problems
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imm using modaco custom R13 rom
http://android.modaco.com/content/g...custom-rom-for-nexus-one-with-online-kitchen/
this one
this morning at 100% it was 8am
at 2PM im at 52% , its been 6hours with 3G on, light at 25%, everything else off.
with 30min music, 10min calling, some sms and a 50min TV show....
my iphone held quite a bit better
So after some systematic disabling of apps it seems the culprit was the Touch Input that came with the HTC_IME .. After disabling that I am back up to regular battery life and android OS is only using 2% of my battery again.
Sometimes the Android OS is stuck at 70% and the battery is drained really quickly. A reboot fix it. Next time I have to check what exactly is causing that Android OS is at 70% battery usage.
So after some systematic disabling of apps it seems the culprit was the Touch Input that came with the HTC_IME .. After disabling that I am back up to regular battery life and android OS is only using 2% of my battery again.
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just to be sure, you're using nexus one? if so, can you elaborate more on what app or service you're talking about. thanks
that's weird because i am using the HTC IME keyboard and i have touch input running too, but my display takes up 90% of my battery all the time. must have been some weird glitch.
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that's weird because i am using the HTC IME keyboard and i have touch input running too, but my display takes up 90% of my battery all the time. must have been some weird glitch.
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Yes this is a Nexus One running stock ROM.
It may have just been a fluke with the version I downloaded from this forum. I am going to install the new version as soon as I get around to it. Not sure how it did it but as soon as I disabled it my battery usage went back to normal.
I was having this same issue on a MyTouch 3G running a 1.6 Rom (TheOfficial), and it appears it's a common problem on the Droid as well from some research. I was using HTC_IME. I just switched back to the default android keyboard and will see if it fixes my battery drain issue.
(My thread in the mytouch devel forum got locked for some reason, even though I consider this a legitimate concern for ROM development, since it's a rather major and hard-to-find defect.)
UPDATE: the "Android OS" task has stopped being a problem after I switch from HTC_IME, but "Cell Standby" is now taking up 50% of the battery, so the battery still drains, but slightly 30% slower.
Ok I got the X10 a few days ago.. loving it.. now..
How do I extend the life of the battery? I know theres a ton of topics on this but I can't seem to get more than 12hours..
- I use StartupAuditor and pretty much stopped most apps from running at start.
- I use ADW Launcher
- I use JuiceDefender
- Timeout - Screen timeout after 15s, lock after 2mins
- Schedule - Enable APN/Wifi for 1m every 15secs (for Moxie Sync/Mail - Push)
- Screen - Leave APN/Wifi enabled while screen unlocked (So it disables it after it has been locked)
Any help is appreciated.
After a couple of weeks your battery life should get better with out you having to do anything. Just be patient and let it fully discharge before recharging. Also restart your phone after a full charge and after using wifi and gps.
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force close the face recognition will save alot of power, face recognition sucks the cpu hardly!
wingz85 said:
After a couple of weeks your battery life should get better with out you having to do anything. Just be patient and let it fully discharge before recharging. Also restart your phone after a full charge and after using wifi and gps.
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Discharing a battery is bad isnt it?
Well your problem may lay here
"- Schedule - Enable APN/Wifi for 1m every 15secs (for Moxie Sync/Mail - Push)"
Your using Moxier which other X10 users have identified as a huge power user and according to you, your also using APN/Wifi for a minute every 15 seconds..........so it's essentially never turning the APN/Wifi off :-S
Hope this helps!
Also fully discharging your battery every now and then is actually beneficial for your battery.
Quite certain the 1 minute every 15 seconds is a typo
Juicedefender defaults to 1 minute ever 15 minutes.
I removed ATK and Juicedefender, I found they only screwed up things in the phone and after removing them I noticed no change in battery life. (If anything, my battery life increased after removing ATK)
The best things for battery I have found to be.
-- Alternate launcher (I use ADW, I think Helix is better for battery performance but ADW has more options).
-- First 5 charges, discharge battery completely and do this again once every month or so
-- After full charge, power cycle phone (Turn off/on)
-- Use quick settings to turn off GPS, WiFi and Bluetooth when you are not using them
-- Make sure you back out of programs when you're done with them. This will close most applications so they are not running in the background. Certain apps (like a dolphin browser) have exit functions under more options. This is useful as back will just go to the previous page.
Note: Force closing applications which you see open in the background may use more battery as it may just start up again. Constantly killing and opening the program will use processor/battery power. Whereas many programs, when open in the background, are not using active process power and Android OS will pause/stop applications which are not in active use, by default.
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- Timeout - Screen timeout after 15s, lock after 2mins
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Where can i find the timout setting for the lock?
Screen brightness turned down. Wifi instead of 3g. That's what I do. And I think I get around 15 hours. Still kinda bad. But better than nothing.
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From my experience..
I find 3G has better battery life than WiFi, unless you are constantly browsing. When 3G is active, but you're not browsing the web and stuff, I find it doesn't use much battery. WiFi, however, uses up loads of battery when the phone is idle.
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Where can i find the timout setting for the lock?
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I want to know that as well Tried to find in phone settings but couldn't figure it out
Battery barely gets drained by wifi in idle state. you just go into wireless settings and set wifi sleep policy to when screen turns off.. should be fine after!!
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Mano, not sure if this is what ya after! but here goes.. go to settings, sound and display, then screen timeout!!
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As per my last question, discharging is bad isn't it? With these batteries, you have to constantly charge them so they don't loose life
Edit: Also.. if I press home button or back button that doesn't close the app.. most apps don't close like that, so I have to use ATK to kill it.. is it fine to leave apps running in the bg like that?
Edit: So I should uninstall ATK?
I also JUST got an X10 about 2 weeks ago! My battery life was so bad at first, and I ended up trying most of these battery saving apps. But to be honest, I found that they did more damage than good.
I now have everything I don't use turned off. Bluetooth, WiFi (when I'm not home at least) etc. Just skim through settings and turn off anything you don't think you'll use. And I restart my phone every morning and I get 30-50 hours out of it, depending on use. It is definitely getting better with time too.
For ATK, I would uninstall it as generally killing tasks does more harm than good. If you use it intermittently and only when necessary (and not use auto-killer) you could keep it installed.
As for apps running in the background..
-- If you press back, it should close most apps (not all, but well designed apps should)
--The Android OS is designed to pause/stop apps/processes which are not being actively used by the user and will close them eventually if left unused
-- ATK is generally only freeing RAM which is not important. It is not like Windows in the sense that more free RAM = faster speeds. It is a lot more like, more free ram = more wasted ram.
Here is a link to where I found out most of this information.
http:/geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
As for WiFi sleep policy, thanks for pointing this out. It seems that my phone is already set to sleep WiFi when the screen is turned off. I find this weird as I have found significantly reduced battery life when I turn WiFi on, even when my phone is mostly unused/idle.
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Mano, not sure if this is what ya after! but here goes.. go to settings, sound and display, then screen timeout!!
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Thank you so much Mobzter, but i was not after that As Sashi said that he has set "Timeout - Screen timeout after 15s, lock after 2mins", I know about about screen timeout but "Lock after 2 min", How? Thnak You anyway ^^
@mano. Good question. I can only find screen time out as well.
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i have noticed some thing strange ,the phone lasts more with apps open in backgroung than when i close them . and using my phone consumes less battery than leaving it in standby .very strange phone (may be only mine ) any confirmation.
Hey Hoss,
I can confirm that force-closing/killing apps seems to be worse for battery life than leaving them alone. Backing out of apps usually will stop any cpu usage, but leave the app running. Killing/closing them will just result in more cpu power to run it when necessary.
As for standby vs usage - I have the opposite experience. The battery life on my x10 lasts a lot longer when I am working all day and not using my phone very much.
Terul
I have seen over and over people state how they use ATK or other task killers to improve battery life, when in fact they are actually hurting android 2.2 multi tasking. In 2.2 google changed the api that devs used to kill apps in all other versions of android. I myself use Auto Killer and Auto starts. Those two apps tweak androids internal task manager and keep my phone running smooth
Even the creator of ATK and the other most popular task manager Advance task killer have stated it. Your better of using an app like Auto Killer ( http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.rs.autokiller ). It tweaks android internal task manager.
AutoKiller is an award winner minfree tweaker, it fine tunes android's inner memory manager to keep your device fast and lowers battery consumption. Also includes a manual process/service manager.
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Here are a couple articles about why you dont need them in android 2.2
FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Froyo update kills Android task killer apps
http://androinica.com/2010/08/09/froyo-update-kills-android-task-killer-apps/
Task killers have long been a crutch for users to forcefully shut down applications and “free up memory” to conserve battery life and space. However, that’s a common misconception buoyed by old Android flaws and the power of the placebo effect. Task killers actually get in the way of Android handling memory management as intended. We’ve already written an article on why you should not be using a task killer, so read that post for more information.
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Google and Cyanogen comments imply task killer/manager apps are pointless
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
However, developers of task killing apps are of a different opinion. Arron La, developer of Advance Task Manager, suggests that task killers are more important for legacy devices like the G1 and phones running older versions of Android.
“Task Managers were absolutely needed in the past before the new services UI came out in Android 2.0 or 2.1,” La said in an e-mail. “Task Managers had a niche of allowing users to quickly kill services associated with apps – including all the other stuff as well, such as alarms – but that was the only way to do it before the introduction of the new services UI.”
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I am gunna try out the difference. I do follow cyanogen and I saw that exact tweet lol. at the time though i was on windows. we will see what happens.
This needs to be moved to the head of the class as it is great info and everyone should read.
There is a lot of people running around saying task killers need to be used.
THis isnt winmo.
The idea that leaving all your applications open not hurting performance or battery flies against what most of us expect to be true. Lately ATK hasn't worked. I'll kill all apps, then minutes later they will all reappear. I will try going without a task killer for a while and monitor subsequent battery life.
What about all the OCD people? I would imagine it being hard for people with OCD to not compulsively close tasks.
I would add the use of auto killer as the op has stated. It works in conjunction with the way android kills task. You can set it aggressively or not. I cannot quote on battery life as I tend to damage mine. Only a rogue app would cause major drain. I also use a program called data on demand. That works by turning off data when the phone is off and lock.
this is indeed an interesting light for us all!
testing begins.
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polo735 said:
The idea that leaving all your applications open not hurting performance or battery flies against what most of us expect to be true. Lately ATK hasn't worked. I'll kill all apps, then minutes later they will all reappear. I will try going without a task killer for a while and monitor subsequent battery life.
What about all the OCD people? I would imagine it being hard for people with OCD to not compulsively close tasks.
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As an actual sufferer of OCD who is trying out the no task killer method, I will say that it IS making me itch a little bit :/
....need to stop killing tasks. Its hard. I'm so used to it now. Will report my findings!
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Glad to see everyone is finding this info helpful. The word really needs to be spread.
Also you can add an app called watchdog that monitors your memory and lets you know when it gets below a certain threshold. it will then notify you and let you know wich app caused the memory drain.
You can do it. Consider this the support group for those who don't use task killers.
Thank u mvp77 for bringing this to light. For me my hd2 runs so smooth!!!
Well, with no task killer, after about 90 minutes of sitting on my desk at work, sending about 20 texts & listenening to 2 songs, my battery went from 70% to 35%. I was shocked at the accelerated battery drain, and I noticed that the back of my phone started getting hot too, which it NEVER did before I disabled the ATK. I re-enabled it around 5:30 on the way home, and after heavier texting, data, and music usage, it's only gone down to 22% after 4 hours.
I'm gonna conclude that my task killer serves a very good purpose, at least with my specific setup. Methinks I'll keep it enabled!
wow thats really strange because that actually goes against the way android actually works. as it stands the task killer is needlessly killing so called process's that may not even be active.
This is based on what the google android developers say. To each their own I will continue you to run without it as a see a speed increase without it. I would venture to say that there is a program that is causing problems.
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Well, with no task killer, after about 90 minutes of sitting on my desk at work, sending about 20 texts & listenening to 2 songs, my battery went from 70% to 35%. I was shocked at the accelerated battery drain, and I noticed that the back of my phone started getting hot too, which it NEVER did before I disabled the ATK. I re-enabled it around 5:30 on the way home, and after heavier texting, data, and music usage, it's only gone down to 22% after 4 hours.
I'm gonna conclude that my task killer serves a very good purpose, at least with my specific setup. Methinks I'll keep it enabled!
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I have never experienced battery drain like that. It would seem you have a bad app causing it. I would suggest you install watchdog and set the threshold at 30% and see what app is causing the problem.
The Creator of ATK stated on his blog, witch I can't find now, that his app does not work the same with 2.2 because the API used is no longer there.
Also install autokiller and autostarts to tweak android internal task manager and to stop unnecessary apps from starting.
I think it is the placebo effect cyangon and others mentioned.
I actually think my screen is killing my battery. I have to much current draw as noted using current widget.
I'll try Watchdog, and I've already got autokiller & autostarts installed.
I'm thinking about hard resetting. I've noticed that lately my battery hasn't even been charging completely, it only goes to 95% unless I charge it in WM or when it's turned off.
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I actually think my screen is killing my battery. I have to much current draw as noted using current widget.
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I believe I have the same issue running ShubCraft 1.5. 95% of the power consumption goes to display, while everything else is at 5%. This is after 1 hour of usage.
In comparison. If I use MattC SenseUI build. 45% goes to battery while everything else goes to Phone Standy or Idle.
Though I can get about 20 hours on Shubcraft instead of like 8 hours for MattC. SenseUI must be very taxing on battery.
Well Like i stated at the beginning I ruin batterys by constantly tethering or atleast I think it does.
Watching the current widget the ma's can be upwards of 150ma which isnt right at all. When I look at watchdog I am under 95% idle which means apps are behaving correctly.
looking at the battery information it shows that the display is using the most of my battery.
Watch dog states that the android system is using 1.3% of cpu.
If i select real time watchdog jump to 6.8 percent which is understandable since it isnt being passive.
Right now I think the screen management is the problem. I cant do this any scientific way but based on what I see it seems to be the only reasonable thought.
+1 for screen being the cause every thing i use to test shows as screen being the issue of battery drain next to some live wallpapers
100% AGREE!!!
I have tried Taskiller and ATK and both did what they were made to do but my battery simply was eaten 12% every hour... So, I uninstalled EVERYTHING related to "battery preservation" and installed AUTOKILLER - this gave me 60% improvement over my old setup and battery life... I now easily pull more than 24hrs in stand-by - about 15hrs with average usage!
FYI: When installing certain apps (as AutoKiller) allow three four charging cycles - use phone as usual and re-charge 3-4 times... You will see that battery self-operates into the best working option and it starts working great...
With setCpu and ATK installed (with kill set during screen off and setcpu on ignore list) I had 12% drain / hr on stand-by ...
Both have been uninstalled now and only Autokiller is installed (Akiller shrinks memory threshold so Apps are shut-down natural "organic" way by Android OS) and I get less than 5%/hr drain on batery...
How is that possible? Simple - Linux is not like WinMo or WinOS - running process does not necessarily means it will drain battery.
I'm runnin baked snack 1.6 w/ ultimate kernel...and I have ridiculous battery drain!...I have autimatic task killer, setCPU (set @100mhz-800mhz w. Conservative governing), and I'm well seasoned in the usual battery saving how to's. When I check Spare Parts and go to "Battery History" under "other usage" I can't get rid of the 100% awake time...evn though my screen may only be on for 25% of the time.
If anyone has had and solved this problem or can offer any advice please LET ME KNOW!
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Make sure you are not running applications that will constantly poll the system for information. If setCPU is set to scale based on system load it may prevent the device from sleeping because it will be checking the system state too often.
Another commonly overlooked cause is from Battery Monitors. These can often poll the battery level too often preventing sleep as well.
If all else fails backup your device, wipe the data, clear the cache, and reinstall programs one by one.
Bottle of Rum. Makes anyone sleep nicely.
No need for Automatic task killer
No need to underclock the CPU to 800. This might give you like 5 minutes longer battery life per day.
Check the Running Services and see if anything looks out of order.
muyoso said:
No need for Automatic task killer
No need to underclock the CPU to 800. This might give you like 5 minutes longer battery life per day.
Check the Running Services and see if anything looks out of order.
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right but if you can set it to auto underclock to 200-400 when in standby that adds up. Also juice defender
Xhyperion said:
right but if you can set it to auto underclock to 200-400 when in standby that adds up. Also juice defender
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Yep, thats exactly how I have mine set.
Xhyperion said:
right but if you can set it to auto underclock to 200-400 when in standby that adds up. Also juice defender
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Good suggestion but the only problem I have with that is it causing my phone to shut off because it's already undervolted, I have it on conservative all of the time and in the app "Android System Info" it always shows me running at 200mhz from 70% to 90% of the time anyway.
Ezalis said:
Make sure you are not running applications that will constantly poll the system for information. If setCPU is set to scale based on system load it may prevent the device from sleeping because it will be checking the system state too often.
Another commonly overlooked cause is from Battery Monitors. These can often poll the battery level too often preventing sleep as well.
If all else fails backup your device, wipe the data, clear the cache, and reinstall programs one by one.
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I don't have any battery monitoring apps except bat stat widget...but nothing like battery indicator pro or a full on application. I'm running the Emotionless Beast theme with the percent mod in in the battery icon...I've heard rumors about this bieng a potential problem....could that be anything?
muyoso said:
No need for Automatic task killer
No need to underclock the CPU to 800. This might give you like 5 minutes longer battery life per day.
Check the Running Services and see if anything looks out of order.
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I stay on top of all my running application through the phone's "running services" tap in settings and through the built in task manager...only Launcher Pro and Widget Locker are left running all the time.
Use Overclock Widget instead of SetCPU. I find mine to be most stable at 400-1200 on, 400-600 off. ymmv
stir fry a lot said:
Use Overclock Widget instead of SetCPU. I find mine to be most stable at 400-1200 on, 400-600 off. ymmv
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Yea I think the default governer that comes with the Baked Kernel is set to performance...which I know for a fact is detrimental to the charge life of the battery...and can you underclock you CPU with Overclock Widget?
tony45x220 said:
I don't have any battery monitoring apps except bat stat widget...but nothing like battery indicator pro or a full on application. I'm running the Emotionless Beast theme with the percent mod in in the battery icon...I've heard rumors about this bieng a potential problem....could that be anything?
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Yeerp!!! Ezalis...you saved my phone mane....I backed up the whole ROM re-flashed along with the Kernel, wiped like 6x Data and Cache...and put everything back on one by one...worked like a charm, my % without sleeping is sittin pretty at 12% thanks for the help!
Not a problem, sometimes you just have to give it a clean slate to work with.
If i can Root my 9005 - i intend to use Greenify,, as my battery is very poor (stock i'm lucky if i get 8-9 hours light/moderate use)
Is it a rated app,, can i expect big battery gains?
Thanks.
Depends which apps you have installed and how you use them. For example facebook drains much battery so you coukd greenify the app but if you do so you wont recive notifications anymore from it aslong you arent actively using the app.
In other words it prevents apps from wacking up.
As someone who already always manually force-closed all running apps, all I noticed was an increase in free time, as greenify is faster at it.
I didnt notice any increase in battery life.
If you don't manually force-close your apps, it'll probably have a bigger impact.
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You will have some slight increases of battery of you force close the apps wich cause many wake locks like what's app
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JCM800 said:
If i can Root my 9005 - i intend to use Greenify,, as my battery is very poor (stock i'm lucky if i get 8-9 hours light/moderate use)
Is it a rated app,, can i expect big battery gains?
Thanks.
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It seems to help mine. I run it with the Xposed Module that adds features that still preserve the notifications from Facebook, etc. I also have it set to boost mode for it to work faster.
I also haven't noticed much of an improvement. Many people swear it's a miracle app, for me it only turns off notifications.
True battery saver: green power payed version (on Google play). Set the phone to sync once at 4h and turn off wifi and mobile data on screen off. Awesome app, I tell you.
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I also haven't noticed much of an improvement. Many people swear it's a miracle app, for me it only turns off notifications.
True battery saver: green power payed version (on Google play). Set the phone to sync once at 4h and turn off wifi and mobile data on screen off. Awesome app, I tell you.
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I do all that myself manually.... Sync always off and I turn Wifi or mobile data on when I need it, and turn it off when I'm done.
Cheaper than buying an app, too.
The real saver for me has been LUX. With our climate and the time I spend indoors, a brightness between -20% and 4% is more than sufficient. Now THAT saves battery! With brightness at 4, I loose 1% per 15 minutes whilst browsing! With it at 50, 1% per 5 minutes. At 100%, 1% per 90 seconds.
And when i use it in the dark, - 70%. I barely lose any charge at all whilst being an insomniac. It's been 20 minutes, still on 55% charge, which it also was 20 minutes ago. WiFi on, eWeatherHD update on, Tapatalk, Facebook and Firefox in use.
(if websites used less of that eyesore white, it'd save even more.)
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I would suggest to remove some bloatware comes with the ROM / firmware itself.
It safes much battery though.
As well as turn on location, and on it when you want to use it.
And I freeze some apps which is running in background (which greenify can't detect it), which I don't use it as well.
and change to a good kernel.
it will really have a good deep sleep, never up if I never wake it up.
the apps running in background is only messenger apps like whatsapp, viber, and that kind of stuff. I never freeze this one and never put it on greenify as well.
So far so good.
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I also haven't noticed much of an improvement. Many people swear it's a miracle app, for me it only turns off notifications.
True battery saver: green power payed version (on Google play). Set the phone to sync once at 4h and turn off wifi and mobile data on screen off. Awesome app, I tell you.
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I might look into that app. I go with the "free" lol DIY manual turn data/wifi off thing too, but sometimes I forget and I see wifi on when I had turned it off or so I thought. some apps are worth the couple dollars or so and I might very well get this one. Thanks for the tip on it. I like too that it automatically turns on wifi or data such as when you go to read an email or something.
You can also give these a try:
- Deep Sleep Battery Saver
- Juice Defender
- Tasker (You can configure it to auomate nearly anything, from 'turn on wifi at this and this gps location' to 'shut up completely between 2200 and 0800'. Does a lot of non-battery related things too, like launch a specific app when plugging in headset, or automatically move photo's from internal to SD.)
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You can also give these a try:
- Deep Sleep Battery Saver
- Juice Defender
- Tasker (You can configure it to auomate nearly anything, from 'turn on wifi at this and this gps location' to 'shut up completely between 2200 and 0800'. Does a lot of non-battery related things too, like launch a specific app when plugging in headset, or automatically move photo's from internal to SD.)
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Juice defender is a dead project and 2 years old. Greenpower is basically the same app but still supported.
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ShadowLea said:
You can also give these a try:
- Deep Sleep Battery Saver
- Juice Defender
- Tasker (You can configure it to auomate nearly anything, from 'turn on wifi at this and this gps location' to 'shut up completely between 2200 and 0800'. Does a lot of non-battery related things too, like launch a specific app when plugging in headset, or automatically move photo's from internal to SD.)
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Hey thanks! I did go ahead with Green Power yesterday and I have to say I notice enough of a difference for sure. My usage has been with a phone call, check messages, several texts, check email a few times and some light surfing. i'm at 89% at 8 hours pulled off 100% charge and would have been lower for sure into 70s at best. definitely notice.
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