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plz help!

i just got my htc hd2 cause someone stole my old one, on my old one, it was easy 2 put android on the sd, with my new hd2 no rom will work, it loads, but when android turns on it will lag, and apps crash and say force close, and the market wont work, i tried this and mcc's 4.5 and its the same thing happening, what should i do?

Have you tried a full wipe in clockwork and then installed? Do that as your first option and if that doesn't work then Task29, reflash MAGLDR/cLK then clockwork and then your ROM.

im noob, i dunno what clockwork is and how 2 do that? and i never used mgldr/clk on my old hd2, i just did a simple drag and drop onto my sd card, then flashed it, and it always worked fine, now when it works, theres always problems, also, do you know how i can reformat my sd card? ty for help, appriciate it!

_fly said:
im noob, i dunno what clockwork is and how 2 do that? and i never used mgldr/clk on my old hd2, i just did a simple drag and drop onto my sd card, then flashed it, and it always worked fine, now when it works, theres always problems, also, do you know how i can reformat my sd card? ty for help, appriciate it!
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If you don't know all that stuff... you should not be trying to root or ROM yet. Go check out T-Macgnolia's post. You shoulld really read up on it before you monkey around with your phone.

Sounds like he's running from the sd card, not NAND. Have you flashed HSPL and radio yet? Please look around the forums. There are some excellent guides to get you started
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This will help clarify. Did you load windows first on your old phone before launching android?
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dung8604 said:
Sounds like he's running from the sd card, not NAND. Have you flashed HSPL and radio yet? Please look around the forums. There are some excellent guides to get you started
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Yeah he has all that stuff in his thread. Check down a few posts as he didn't get everything into the first post.

yes i launched w.m first on my old phone, and it always worked i would go to clrcad and haret and it always worked just fine, i used americanandroid, but my new phone when i put android folder on my sd card, it boots, but it lags alot, and forces programs to shut down, wifi is slow etc.

_fly said:
yes i launched w.m first on my old phone, and it always worked i would go to clrcad and haret and it always worked just fine, i used americanandroid, but my new phone when i put android folder on my sd card, it boots, but it lags alot, and forces programs to shut down, wifi is slow etc.
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Yeah you need to install HSPL and a new radio. Again, there are several guides on how to do this. Search around a bit. One thing though, if it was me, I would just install on NAND and bypass windows altogether. The guide linked above should tell you all about it and how to do it.
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dung8604 said:
Yeah you need to install HSPL and a new radio. Again, there are several guides on how to do this. Search around a bit. One thing though, if it was me, I would just install on NAND and bypass windows altogether. The guide linked above should tell you all about it and how to do it.
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+1 I agree with dung and install NAND.
It's this easy...

I thought I'd post here since I'm having a problem with android install and I'm a noob as well (probably more noob than the person posting here). I tried installing nand android on my HD2 and followed the steps exactly. At least I'm pretty sure I did. I installed MAGDLR, then the recovery, and then android. Everything seems fine when booting except it just hangs at the HTC screen. I left it at the HTC screen over night since I heard the first boot would be long. So now I am wondering what are my options. I wanted to install WM again so I can retry the android rom install but since it stuck at the HTC screen, device manager doesn't see it. I didn't brick it did I? Thanks for your help in advance!
I followed this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
I got my phone back to factory settings. Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? The instructions seemed pretty simple.

Zap991 said:
I thought I'd post here since I'm having a problem with android install and I'm a noob as well (probably more noob than the person posting here). I tried installing nand android on my HD2 and followed the steps exactly. At least I'm pretty sure I did. I installed MAGDLR, then the recovery, and then android. Everything seems fine when booting except it just hangs at the HTC screen. I left it at the HTC screen over night since I heard the first boot would be long. So now I am wondering what are my options. I wanted to install WM again so I can retry the android rom install but since it stuck at the HTC screen, device manager doesn't see it. I didn't brick it did I? Thanks for your help in advance!
I followed this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
I got my phone back to factory settings. Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? The instructions seemed pretty simple.
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Couple things, did you first install HSPL and radio? Those go on before anything else. Second, how did you install the rom? Through usb or through recovery? Lastly, if you flashed via recovery, how did you transfer the zip to sd card? CWM has been known to corrupt files during transfers. I would recommend using a usb card reader or through magldr's usb mount option.
Actually one last thing. Make sure you have selected the correct recovery size. A ROM requiring 150mb will work on a 400mb partiotion, but not the other way around.
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dung8604 said:
Couple things, did you first install HSPL and radio? Those go on before anything else. Second, how did you install the rom? Through usb or through recovery? Lastly, if you flashed via recovery, how did you transfer the zip to sd card? CWM has been known to corrupt files during transfers. I would recommend using a usb card reader or through magldr's usb mount option.
Actually one last thing. Make sure you have selected the correct recovery size. A ROM requiring 150mb will work on a 400mb partiotion, but not the other way around.
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It's actually MAGLDR that corrupts files, not clockwork.
It's most likely that you don't have the right partition size though. You can change the partition by going to your clockwork file on your PC, opening it, then look for a file 'flash.cfg' and right click on it and open it in a text editor, then editing the line "system ya | 150" to whatever the ROM needs. The '150' will most likely be 150, 300 and 400 etc. so just change the numbers and save it.

ok i will try and do nand, what is one of the best nand to use, ty so much for help.

Hmm maybe you're right skelly, not sure. Either way it's best to use a card reader.
Fly, I'm using typhoon cm7 version 3.0.0. I found that it's the best for me
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_fly said:
ok i will try and do nand, what is one of the best nand to use, ty so much for help.
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I would have always said one of the CM versions... great ROMs. Finally tried MIUI this week in preperation for putting it on my woman's G2 (always thought it looked like a girly ROM). OMG I'm hooked! I don't think I can ever go back to CM again. It's blown me away.
But you cannot go wrong with the popular CM ROMs. I tried the Sense one also for the eyecandy I love... but none of them ran smoothly for me.

Girlfriends kills android roms everytime!

Dear xda users,
My Girlfriend got a HD2 and I installed Android on it.
She used SD versions but she kills them everytime.
After a month the phone got stock on boot screen.
Then i tried to install NAND Roms but after 2 months of smooth running the same problem again... (example: Coredroid, and sense roms)
I think that the problem is that when the phone freeze she pull the battery out and after a few times the phone won't boot anymore.
Followed all the noob friendly guides.
Followed all the instructions in the post of every rom.
Installed the recommed radio, MAGDLR, CMW, data partions that were in the instructions
Common problem on sense roms?
Should i try to install no sense rom?
(Got experience with Desire HD flashing and Touch pro 2)

joostnl said:
Dear xda users,
My Girlfriend got a HD2 and I installed Android on it.
She used SD versions but she kills them everytime.
After a month the phone got stock on boot screen.
Then i tried to install NAND Roms but after 2 months of smooth running the same problem again... (example: Coredroid, and sense roms)
I think that the problem is that when the phone freeze she pull the battery out and after a few times the phone won't boot anymore.
Followed all the noob friendly guides.
Followed all the instructions in the post of every rom.
Installed the recommed radio, MAGDLR, CMW, data partions that were in the instructions
Common problem on sense roms?
Should i try to install no sense rom?
(Got experience with Desire HD flashing and Touch pro 2)
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Hi,
It could be that with all the battery pulling, that the pins could be bent.
Make sure they are all straight.

Buy her an iphone, then she can't pull the battery! :-D
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malybru said:
Hi,
It could be that with all the battery pulling, that the pins could be bent.
Make sure they are all straight.
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I don't think it's hardware related.. Because i can boot in the MAGLDR without any problems.. But when i wan't to boot android it hangs on the coredroid boot logo
(This happends with all roms (sense) i tried so far)

Boot into magldr and re run the rom from there,cleare the caches firsr ot course
Then glue the battery in - buy a tazer and promise her a double dose if she pulls the battery again

lol, hahaha

joostnl said:
I don't think it's hardware related.. Because i can boot in the MAGLDR without any problems.. But when i wan't to boot android it hangs on the coredroid boot logo
(This happends with all roms (sense) i tried so far)
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ive seen a few posts where people have struggled with getting past boot logo, think it was fine after using a different partition in recovery but as your device is for the sd build am not quite sure how that works as Ive never had sd android or if having sd requires clockwork mod recovery? if so try different partition as i said earlier if not hang on till someone has the answer
johnerz said:
Boot into magldr and re run the rom from there,cleare the caches firsr ot course
Then glue the battery in - buy a tazer and promise her a double dose if she pulls the battery again
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haha great answer, my girlfriend doesn't touch my hd2 or she gets alot more than a double dose with the tazer method, HD2 is not the solution for a women... you take the hd2 of her and buy her a iphone surly they are women material.

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Problems almost always occur after a few weeks or months of use for me, just reflash the ROM, and you'll good to go.
removing the battery is not recommended, it can corrupt files on the sd-card. Try to boot without sd-card and see if it helps. If your ROM does boot, it means the SD card is corrupted, you can try to backup the SD card and restore it after completely wiping the sd-card.
If your rom doesn't boot, than it meant there's something else going on, maybe corrupted flash, so reflash and try again. This will delete all your data, so be careful

if your girlfriend is not an daily flasher also might i suggest using a daf build. All the configuration is done for you. if you are using a sd build from magldr than make sure you change the name of the build than edit the startup txt like this "rel_path=whatever you name the build(example: "rel_path=MIUIROM nand_boot=1") the 1 for magldr 0 for windows 6.5. the reason for me saying this is all android builds create a folder android when they boot up with all your info like data and cache is in there. So its best to separate the two just in case you want to boot up more than two builds from sd.

Same here.
could be a bad block in your NAND memory. you can check this with cLK and fastboot.
see this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13600733&postcount=9
i checked mine and there was a bad block in the userdata. i think that is wy my phone was freezing.
now i have flashed cLK and untill now its working great!

Flashed a rom, frozen screen! Can anyone help??

Hi all..I just flashed the rom below using CWM and it told me everything was successful, and when I reboot, I have some small white text on the screen and it just stops and freezes. a few lines of text and the last 2 lines are:
[330] udc.start()
[330] -- suspend --
and it just hangs there..Ive pulled the battery, etc..I cant do ANYTHING..I need to flash the other rom back to it, but can I reverse this at all?? Any help is MUCH appreciated!
the rom i flashed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1209814&highlight=arkat
Thanks SOOOO much in advance...hope I dont have a brick!!

from what I saw, is the first rom that the User does.
"MY 1st Rom here:
[11.AUG.11][MAGLDR] Arkat-DoubleSense v1.2 (GB with sense 2.1) [Rafpigna 2.0 OC GB]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1209814"
May have problems that have not yet been identified.
The problem is only with this rom or with all?
Try to install other roms, if only this rom has problems I recommend that you talk with arkatis....
I hope I have helped...

Check back to the rom page and see if you did everything right. Are you using clk or magldr?
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pianoman102 said:
Check back to the rom page and see if you did everything right. Are you using clk or magldr?
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Im using clockworkmod...i save the .zip file to the sd, reboot the phone in "recovery" , and then "install .zip from sd card", scroll to the .zip file, and it does its thing..worked fine first couple roms i did, but this one is hung there for some reason..
not sure how to access the phone with it just hanging there to delete the bad rom off there??
Or some kind of hard reset to bring it back to life so i can fix it???

cadorette said:
Im using clockworkmod...i save the .zip file to the sd, reboot the phone in "recovery" , and then "install .zip from sd card", scroll to the .zip file, and it does its thing..worked fine first couple roms i did, but this one is hung there for some reason..
not sure how to access the phone with it just hanging there to delete the bad rom off there??
Or some kind of hard reset to bring it back to life so i can fix it???
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Update: now it is just sitting there with the
[330] udc_start
as the last line and nothing after...

Can you get to the bootloader screen? ie. the multi-colored screen. If so, try to run Task 29 on it to wipe your phone. Then reload MAGLDR or CLK which ever you prefer. Then try the rom again.

Egrier said:
Can you get to the bootloader screen? ie. the multi-colored screen. If so, try to run Task 29 on it to wipe your phone. Then reload MAGLDR or CLK which ever you prefer. Then try the rom again.
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yes i can get to bootloader...ill try that now and get right back..thanks for the help...brb

Egrier said:
Can you get to the bootloader screen? ie. the multi-colored screen. If so, try to run Task 29 on it to wipe your phone. Then reload MAGLDR or CLK which ever you prefer. Then try the rom again.
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ok i can get to bootloader mode by pressing vol down and power...but it just tells me the spl version and stuff and i cant select anything or access any type of menu, etc..

Ok, as you are in the bootloader mode. Download this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
And run Task29. This will delete everything but your radio on the phone so you will have to reflash Magldr. You can use this tool to flash magldr also. If you get that far then partition the phone according to the rom instructions. Then try to flash the rom again.

Egrier said:
Ok, as you are in the bootloader mode. Download this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
And run Task29. This will delete everything but your radio on the phone so you will have to reflash Magldr. You can use this tool to flash magldr also. If you get that far then partition the phone according to the rom instructions. Then try to flash the rom again.
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gotcha..im on it...thanks so much for helping and tolerating my newbness haha

OK so far so good!! i was able to run task 29, and flash magdlr 1.13 via hd2 toolkit..searching now but can you direct me to where/how to install a rom using this? im assuming the usb flasher method? thats the screen i have right now!!

cadorette said:
gotcha..im on it...thanks so much for helping and tolerating my newbness haha
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Egrier I want to thank you soooo much...not really a noob but kind of nooby in the whole rom flashing thing..you pointed me in the right direction and I was able to figure the rest out myself...and im back!!! you saved my phone, thank you so much!!! much appreciation to all that helped me...thanks again!!!

Glad to have helped you. Sorry it took me so long to reply. I was at music practice and didn't get
back home til late. Which ROM did you go with?

Serial flasher now getting "NAND OPEN KERNEL FAILED"

So - I'm no expert but I've flashed enough Roms in my time and suddenly it's all gone horribly wrong.
I have done
1) Task 29 with 2.15.50.14 - SUCCESS
2) Installed MAGLDR 1.13 - SUCCESS
3) Installed Recovery 3.0.2.6 - SUCCESS
4) Copied ROM to SD card (one that always worked before) - SUCCESS
Now get NAND OPEN KERNEL. I'm stumped. I've checked the recovery has the partitions that the ROM requests and I've checked other SD cards. All format properly.
What to do

jamesbond_28_007 said:
So - I'm no expert but I've flashed enough Roms in my time and suddenly it's all gone horribly wrong.
I have done
1) Task 29 with 2.15.50.14 - SUCCESS
2) Installed MAGLDR 1.13 - SUCCESS
3) Installed Recovery 3.0.2.6 - SUCCESS
4) Copied ROM to SD card (one that always worked before) - SUCCESS
Now get NAND OPEN KERNEL. I'm stumped. I've checked the recovery has the partitions that the ROM requests and I've checked other SD cards. All format properly.
What to do
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Tried this?

Nigeldg said:
Tried this?
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I've searched the forums to find someone that's had the exact issue if that's what you meant.

jamesbond_28_007 said:
I've searched the forums to find someone that's had the exact issue if that's what you meant.
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And you're sure that nobody has this same problem, and that it isn't that you're putting the CLK version of the ROM on your SD card?

Nigeldg said:
And you're sure that nobody has this same problem, and that it isn't that you're putting the CLK version of the ROM on your SD card?
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Thanks for response.
People have had the this issue, yes. But no-one that has done everything right. The ROM i am using is a NAND rom that worked before (but I checked with two other ROMS and still have the same problem).
I purposely wrote each step so you can see exactly what I have done. I cannot see what I have done wrong. I am starting to think its a phone hardware issue.

jamesbond_28_007 said:
Thanks for response.
People have had the this issue, yes. But no-one that has done everything right. The ROM i am using is a NAND rom that worked before (but I checked with two other ROMS and still have the same problem).
I purposely wrote each step so you can see exactly what I have done. I cannot see what I have done wrong. I am starting to think its a phone hardware issue.
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Sorry I may have seemed patronising at the start, having ironically not properly read the OP. In that case you could start over with a task 29 and so on (not really sure as to how to do all of this but it shouldn't be too hard)

Nigeldg said:
Sorry I may have seemed patronising at the start, having ironically not properly read the OP. In that case you could start over with a task 29 and so on (not really sure as to how to do all of this but it shouldn't be too hard)
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That's exactly how I start the whole process. Step one is Task 29. I still get the error.

jamesbond_28_007 said:
That's exactly how I start the whole process. Step one is Task 29. I still get the error.
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Double fail by me. Really sorry. Hey, at least I'm bringing attention to this thread eh?

Yes, thanks for that...

Can someone help me please. Also tried ClK but I get stuck on Poertchange. I think my HD2 maybe now be dead as I have tried every step correctly (I assume).
Am I all of a sudden doing something wrong?

Try flashing the original wm6.5 rom, if it works then try android afterwards. One possible thing it could be is bad blocks. After you flash the rom BEFORE you reboot, select from advanced options the one that logs your installation, and check it for errors.
One last thing is make sure you cwm sizes are correct.
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z3nful said:
Try flashing the original wm6.5 rom, if it works then try android afterwards. One possible thing it could be is bad blocks. After you flash the rom BEFORE you reboot, select from advanced options the one that logs your installation, and check it for errors.
One last thing is make sure you cwm sizes are correct.
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Thanks - that's an excellent idea (flashing the 6.5 rom) not least because it's the only think I havent tried.
From memory, 6.5 is flashed straight from bootloader with RUU so there I'm not able to get in to advanced options. Or are you saying after flashing 6.5, install MAGLDR, CWM and Android ROM THEN check for bad blocks before booting the new Android Rom??

z3nful said:
Try flashing the original wm6.5 rom, if it works then try android afterwards. One possible thing it could be is bad blocks. After you flash the rom BEFORE you reboot, select from advanced options the one that logs your installation, and check it for errors.
One last thing is make sure you cwm sizes are correct.
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Flashing 6.5 worked! Android is back
Out of interest how does that correct it!?

It could have been either a faulty cwm flash, corrupted boot partition, or bad blocks. I'm guessing corrupted boot. if it was blocks, widnows wouldn't have flashed right.
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[Q] Slow/laggy/freezing Dandiest rom

I apologize if there actually is a thread explaining what I am talking about. But I have searched all over. And I just can not figure it out.
I have the Dandiest ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881937
I am using v4.31.44.12
It's my first rom flash, everything went fine and all.
The problem is that everything goes much too slow. Booting isn't an issue. but Everything regarding apps and calls and such just goes really slow.
When I get called, I can pick up. but I can't hang up because the phone just freezes.
Every app I install (which always takes roughly 3-5 minutes per app, after download) I have to constantly wipe the screen to keep it awake, if the screen sleeps during install, the phone completely freezes and I have to pull out the battery.
I wonder what is causing this, and if anyone has/had this problem before on a different ROM?
I have ext4 on my SD, shared storage or whatever it is called.
I have read some stuff about speeding that up or something, but I don't understand it.
I'm thinking it has to do with that. I installed/done everything following tutorials, so I should've done everything right.

Basementnugget said:
I apologize if there actually is a thread explaining what I am talking about. But I have searched all over. And I just can not figure it out.
I have the Dandiest ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881937
I am using v4.31.44.12
It's my first rom flash, everything went fine and all.
The problem is that everything goes much too slow. Booting isn't an issue. but Everything regarding apps and calls and such just goes really slow.
When I get called, I can pick up. but I can't hang up because the phone just freezes.
Every app I install (which always takes roughly 3-5 minutes per app, after download) I have to constantly wipe the screen to keep it awake, if the screen sleeps during install, the phone completely freezes and I have to pull out the battery.
I wonder what is causing this, and if anyone has/had this problem before on a different ROM?
I have ext4 on my SD, shared storage or whatever it is called.
I have read some stuff about speeding that up or something, but I don't understand it.
I'm thinking it has to do with that. I installed/done everything following tutorials, so I should've done everything right.
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Have you dont the following ? its in his main post . it seems like what you are experiencing is common .
1.. DON'T expect it will work out of box.
2. DON'T expect it will be as light and fast as Gingerbread.
3. DON'T expect that some legacy problem will disappear
4. Reboot your phone at lease twice after flashing or installing, after 1st boot into setting screen, long press the right button to recall the boot menu, reboot. Can not use /Update_DL method to install app before 3rd reboot.
5. For this version, due to the base has been changed throughly, can not use previous data.img or ext4, remove existing data.img and set data_img=1 to let system generate one for you, or set format_ext4=1 to format your ext4 if you are using ext4
6. DON'T set any config for 1st installation except data_img=1(for data.img) or format_ext4=1(for ext4 user). if your have tmous phone, no need the config.txt.
7. For SD or magldr, if 1st installation failed, must delete the system.ext2 file under /Desire_DL to let system convert it again.
8. Use Windows notepad create a file named config.txt, save it under /Desire_DL, only need to put the necessary config inside it, say:
data_img=1
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My advice go here http://android.hd2roms.com/ and pick a rom without issues like hyperdroid 5.8.0. Leave ICS alone for a while.
No offence intended to Dandiest but his last post was months ago

shanman-2 said:
My advice go here *Link* and pick a rom without issues like hyperdroid 5.8.0. Leave ICS alone for a while.
No offence intended to Dandiest but his last post was months ago
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Thanks, It was my first rom I flashed, almost bricked my phone in the process, so I'm scared to flash again. haha.
elesbb said:
Have you dont the following ? its in his main post . it seems like what you are experiencing is common .
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I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.

Basementnugget said:
Thanks, It was my first rom I flashed, almost bricked my phone in the process, so I'm scared to flash again. haha.
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.
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Read what I've quoted and follow . Like reboot a couple of times and such things as that . And this is an sd build correct ? From the link provided that's the impression I got .
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elesbb said:
Read what I've quoted and follow . Like reboot a couple of times and such things as that . And this is an sd build correct ? From the link provided that's the impression I got .
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Oh, I'm sorry. I'm using NAND. I'm using the NAND version of the Dandiest.
Also, I've had this rom for like a month now.

There are plenty of guides out there, get the nand toolkit (it simplifies things a lot,thanks to ksubedi). Read the guides carefully !!
Have a look here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402975
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929324
Best of luck.
By the way have you tried a factory reset.. if you can back up your apps and data this might solve your problem!!

Basementnugget said:
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm using NAND. I'm using the NAND version of the Dandiest.
Also, I've had this rom for like a month now.
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Ohh well that changes a lot lol . was it laggy since day one ?