And how does our adreno thingy compare with other phones?
Enlighten yourself please.
Adreno
so what is our adreno chips capable to do?
i doubt it supports that kind of performance
it's a gpu right?
it's for video and games right?
deedii said:
Enlighten yourself please.
Adreno
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Good answer Dee. ;-) Let me add to that
https://developer.qualcomm.com/discover/chipsets-and-modems/adreno
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it's a gpu right?
it's for video and games right?
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Yes. It's a GPU. specifically the X8 has the Adreno 200. Like its much more powerfull desktop counterparts, it assists or takes over the burden of rendering graphics output from the CPU.
Lets just say that it accelerates videos and games
THe Adreno 200 is an old GPU, the newest one is the Adreno 205, that is inside the Xperia Play.
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THe Adreno 200 is an old GPU, the newest one is the Adreno 205, that is inside the Xperia Play.
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Acctually newest chip is Areno 220 which is in HTC Sensation.
Related
Many people have said that SE should have put a Tegra 2 dual core chip inside the Xperia Play instead of the Snapdragon with Adreno 205.
In the real world the Adreno 205 was a much better choice for complex game effects and battery life.
This is a heavy read but there are plenty of charts & pictures that tell a fairer story from a Game Developers point of view.
http://blogs.unity3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/FastMobileShaders_siggraph2011.pdf
Here's hoping Tegra 3 is a much better effort.
First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
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I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
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Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
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I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
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I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
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I did look at the .pdf. But to be honest, it's a little over my head lol
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms iPhone3Gs
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms
Hmmmmmmm
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AndroHero said:
The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
FK1983 said:
Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
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Adreno 220 is already out with the dual core qualcomm chips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=related
Although the game in the demo is desert winds, an xperia play (adreno 205) exclusive
Comparing dual core Qualcomm chips to the Tegra is like comparing our current chip to the Samsung hummingbird.
The former is more widely supported, and better optimized. Whereas the latter is not well supported, and although it's supposed to be better on paper, it's real life performance isn't as good.
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From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
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Thats the impression I got.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
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Desktop and handheld are vastly different in power & heat requirements, NVidia were probably rushing their dual core SOC's to market the lack of NEON in initial shipments and poor GPU's seems to confirms this.
I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
Octa for all.
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Octa for all.
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why?
an9093 said:
why?
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processor is more stronger rather than spandragon
also exynos version will be global version so you can get update in time
but power vr sgx and adreno 320 is offering same result as a GPU
as a result i recommend you to buy exynos octa 5
any other suggestions?
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I am planning to buy S4
But I'm not sure which is better
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
4g and installing roms is not important to me
Which is better in terms of performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
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Performance wise the octa version will win on the CPU side and be on par , gaming the snapdragon will probably win cause it seems to becoming a standard on high end android Devices, battery will also be a tie, where the octa wins in low demanding tasks thanks to its a7, and the s600 win on higher demanding tasks cause the krait consume less then the a15.
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any other suggestions?
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any other suggestions?
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The above suggestions are not enough?
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Exynos 5 sweeps the floor with the snapdragon
nitinvaid said:
The above suggestions are not enough?
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not enough i want more
Blackwolf10 said:
Exynos 5 sweeps the floor with the snapdragon
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what do you mean ?
an9093 said:
what do you mean ?
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better cpu same gpu and better battery life faster updates the only thing snappy beats it is with Aosp rom support and 4G
an9093 said:
what do you mean ?
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Giving Samsung ready to make the sources available, you'd better off with the Snapdragon version because Qualcomm will release their sources well before Samsung does. Consequence:
Development for the i9505 (Snapdragon version) will take off while the Exynos version's development will be slower...
f.
Blackwolf10 said:
better cpu same gpu and better battery life faster updates the only thing snappy beats it is with Aosp rom support and 4G
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Stop saying GPU is same ! Adreno 320 sweeps the floor and even the windows with the ****ing PowerVR !!!
but Octa sweeps the floor with Qualcomm.
Both are important....cpu and gpu. But we have enough CPU in both. What sense makes to have huge CPU if you wouldn't be able to play or use some apps because of the old gpu without OpenGL ES 3.0 ?
demlasjr said:
Stop saying GPU is same ! Adreno 320 sweeps the floor and even the windows with the ****ing PowerVR !!!
but Octa sweeps the floor with Qualcomm.
Both are important....cpu and gpu. But we have enough CPU in both. What sense makes to have huge CPU if you wouldn't be able to play or use some apps because of the old gpu without OpenGL ES 3.0 ?
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you changed ur comment to neutral so i guess i can say that your right but still it's awesome to look like a boss on Antutu benchmarks
Blackwolf10 said:
you changed ur comment to neutral so i guess i can say that your right but still it's awesome to look like a boss on Antutu benchmarks
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Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
demlasjr said:
Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
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owh and angry birds friends is releasing soon
most of Ram is wasted on S-apps and features anyway and don't forget the wolfson audio chipset for exynos
Blackwolf10 said:
owh and angry birds friends is releasing soon
most of Ram is wasted on S-apps and features anyway and don't forget the wolfson audio chipset for exynos
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I know, even so I'm big fan of Yamaha Grand Piano (I own one), so...if the chip inside the Qualcomm is Yamaha isn't a problem for me.
The only thing that makes me angry about the PowerVR 544MP3 junk is the OpenGL ES 3.0. I'm not 100% what's the importance if it, but i'm sure that soon will be released many games with this support and PowerVR have an OpenGL ES 2.0 api which gives "extended support of OpenGL ES 3.0. However, if you want full 3.0 compliance choose PowerVR 6X Rogue".
WTF is that extended api does ? I want to see a OpenGL ES 3.0 benchmark (GLBenchmark promised to release one) of both, Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544
demlasjr said:
Like a boss in Antutu and playing Angry Birds while Snapdragon 600 owners cries for being kings of the hills but playing new and high graphics games.
I found one more things which makes Exynos Octa better. The ram in Exynos is LPPDDR3 at 800MHz, which supports 12.8GB/s bandwidth, while S600 have LPPDDR3 at 600MHz (? not sure) but it's at 9.X GB/s (can't find this information
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what is the bandwidth and how it makes the Exynos stronger ?
Eyxynos seems to be overheating (see relevant thread in Q&A)
A question once and for all: DOES THE 9500 support LTE/4G or NOT!? Because that's a deciding factor in my purchse. I live in Denmark. I mean definite yes or no should be possible right?
overheating + no LTE will definitely sway me towards the 9505, but it still seems to be too early to tell.
i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?
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i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?
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which version are you referring to? quad 19505 s4 does have adreno 320 but i believe it is slightly overclocked, so it has higher frequency and much better in gaming. As for 19500 s4, it has PowerVR 544mp3. so both of them are good but only optimization can tell whether they can run smoothly or no.
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i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?
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The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.
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The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.
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Exactly! Just leave this to Samsung since they are the one who will contact game devs to do optimization with Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544mp3 .
mohawk888 said:
Exactly! Just leave this to Samsung since they are the one who will contact game devs to do optimization with Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544mp3 .
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yes but the ADreno 320 have more future Proof and the VR GPU is more old than the Adreno...
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The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.
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It's on par for now because apps are still using opengl ES 2.0. Once apps start using opengl ES 3.0 the powervr is going to be lagging far behind, I am thinking especially about emulators such as dolphin where the move is planned and would allow the emulator to gain almost 10fps on average. Otherwise as far as day to day use goes both gpus act about the same.
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It's on par for now because apps are still using opengl ES 2.0. Once apps start using opengl ES 3.0 the powervr is going to be lagging far behind, I am thinking especially about emulators such as dolphin where the move is planned and would allow the emulator to gain almost 10fps on average. Otherwise as far as day to day use goes both gpus act about the same.
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Yes but don't say it too often or you'll get all these monkeys on your back
Hey guys,
Thanks for lending me your time towards my question...
As we know,
Nexus 4 has an Adreno 320 single - core GPU and Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC
My question is..
Is the Adreno 320 capable enough to run future graphics - hungry games?
And tegra 3 possessing a 12+1 core GPU, is Adreno 320 better than this?
Regards....
Adreno 320 is about 250% better in tests than Tegra 3.
Shreyas Iyer said:
Hey guys,
Thanks for lending me your time towards my question...
As we know,
Nexus 4 has an Adreno 320 single - core GPU and Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC
My question is..
Is the Adreno 320 capable enough to run future graphics - hungry games?
And tegra 3 possessing a 12+1 core GPU, is Adreno 320 better than this?
Regards....
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Haha, Tegra 3. The Tegra 3 is by far the worst quad core chipset available in popular devices, my friend's One X lags even when playing Super Hexagon. The N4 has been able to run every game that I've thrown at it so far smoothly so I don't see why it shouldn't be able to in the future. Even the newer One and US GS4 use the 320 so it's clearly a great GPU.
so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.
ian619420 said:
so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.
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The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.
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The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.
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I can only buy unlocked no contract phones budget is $220, I have considered to buy GS2 i777 with mali gpu for $175, i have gs2 skyrocket with adreno 220 gpu and it is horrible I do not devices with adreno gpu. I have considered thought in nexus 7 tegra 3 or any other tablet with tegra 3.
Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?
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Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?
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A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544
RaininHanoi said:
A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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What are you looking for with such a comparison?
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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Erm... No?
MediaTek 6589 chips are at the very least equivalent to Tegra 3.
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
Nook hd plus has powervrsgx544 1.5ghz dual core processor and i heard it has google play store now, if this a good tablet that can be used for gaming? I can get a 32gb one for around $180 would anyone recommend this?
Powervsgx533mp3
Galaxy s4 (I9500) have PowerVRSGX544 MP3 which means it only have 3 core compred to the GPU in Th new ipad PowerVRSFX544 MP4 which has 4 core. But the galaxy s4 gpu has been overlcoked to 533 mhz. so... yeah you wont experience any lag issue i think. If u are not sure just check out the videos in utube about galaxy s4 gaming performance, theres a lot of it and you can judge yourself
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Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU
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Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU
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4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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nomancoolboy said:
4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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oh sorry my bad i wanted to say its NOT a must have forgot the NOT of course it is not no one uses 4k till date
What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.
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What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.
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actually it would support it imagination clearly stated that they will update the device with open gl 3.0 support
see this link http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...4mp-a-modern-gpu-for-todays-leading-platforms
nook hd/+ would it be wise to get it solely for gaming, since it has google play store and powervr sgx544?
this phone has powervr sgx544 MP2 http://www.keryet.com/deal/buysku-16-off-amoi-n850-android-4-2-quad-core-3g-smartphone
avetny said:
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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If you take the iPad 4 into account, it's SGX544MP4 + a dual core 1.4GHz GPU is about to push the most demanding games at retina res.
If theres lag with the SGX544MP3 on the S4, it is the developer's fault and partly google
One of the reason why I choose i9500 over i9505 is the powerVR gpu...