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11 Minute GTab 10.1 Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtqXLGPzVMk&f0
It definitely doesn't look horrible. However, I don't know/can't tell if the screen is better than the Xoom's...
Also... I didn't make this video, lol.

nice video !

I was worried about the screen but then noticed that he has the brightness cranked to the maximum. This definitely looks like the tablet for me

nice video dude =) thx

really nice video..can't wait. Thank you.

Eclair~ said:
According to the video it's the same TFT LCD panel
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Every LCD is TFT LCD.

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Every LCD is TFT LCD.
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I didn't know that. Thanks (no sarcasm intended).

this video pretty much convinced me to get this over xoom !!
some of the features that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has over the Motorola Xoom are :-
dual surround speakers
native divx play
Slimmer and lighter than the Xoom
8mp cam
FULL 1080P video recording
bigger battery
can anyone prove other wise? and what's about the screen - what screen does the xoom have?
I already own a Galaxy Tab original - thinking of getting this when out !

So are there a lot of good games for the Tab or is it just angry birds and dungeon defenders?

ofcuz there are thousands of great games! u can go youtube n search for "motorola xoom games"... there is a review of games in honeycom

fyi, there is no usb, microsd, or hdmi port in the galaxy tab 10.1

All I can say is "I'm hooked, I'm hooked, I'm hooked!" That is just what every tablet manufacturer needs to get their tablet out. It's better than a commercial and helps answer a lot of my questions. From here on, it can only get better.

aohus said:
fyi, there is no usb, microsd, or hdmi port in the galaxy tab 10.1
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It has already been said, not confirmed, that one or more of theses may be available via the propriety port on the bottom of the tablet

the specs are really impressive...
really hope it does better than the first SGT, which is sluggish for me..
It has almost everything cept perhaps true GPS, USB host, native HDMI out, and maybe even a removable battery (like the Toshiba)... One can only wish!

Want. The more I watch the video, the more I want the device.

When can I buy it? I guess by the time it is out I will be getting a xoom or ipad2. Yes I like it very much, but it might take 3-4 months befor it is out.
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The video should also say "no sdcard.. it's so special"

[Q] Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1v 32GB?

Hi guys, I'm just wondering if there are any Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1v that has 32GB of capacity?
Has anyone seen it anywhere across the web?
Thanks.

I thought there will only be 32GB and later on 64GB model...

galtom said:
I thought there will only be 32GB and later on 64GB model...
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Hey thanks for the reply man,
I looked up on vodafone website from few different countries, Australia, New Zealand, Portugal, UK, but I can't find any information about 32GB all they have is 16GB model.
Please anyone let me know if you seen any.
Thanks

I've heard 16,32gb will be the two options. I don't see why a 64gb wouldn't happen but haven't read anywhere saying they will
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devlp1213 said:
I've heard 16,32gb will be the two options. I don't see why a 64gb wouldn't happen but haven't read anywhere saying they will
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Well, I heard about 16 and 32 model long before it launches..
But now, the pre-order is starting but I haven't heard anything about the 32GB man...
Did you ever hear 32GB capacity from Vodafone?

If you guys know this already feel free to ignore it....
The 10.1v is a 16 GB only model. Later this year there is another model being released, the 10.1. It is slimmer than the 10.1v, has a 3 meg rear camera (as oppossed to the current 8 meg) and will be released in wifi then later wifi and 4G. It will have expandable memory (probably microSD) and there will be a 16 GB, 32 GB and a 64 GB model. Hope this helps!

SnobroAU said:
If you guys know this already feel free to ignore it....
The 10.1v is a 16 GB only model. Later this year there is another model being released, the 10.1. It is slimmer than the 10.1v, has a 3 meg rear camera (as oppossed to the current 8 meg) and will be released in wifi then later wifi and 4G. It will have expandable memory (probably microSD) and there will be a 16 GB, 32 GB and a 64 GB model. Hope this helps!
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That's cleared it up..
Thanks mate..

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and with no option to expand it, completely disqualifies this tablet in my opinion.
Do you have any knowledge about SoC in 10.1?? Same as in 10.1v?

The 8.9" model in the most recent official showcase had a Tegra 2, so I hope the same for the new 10.1" as well.
I seriously hope that they do make them Tegra 2 because else I won't buy a Galaxy. Tegra zone games come first for me.
Atm it is btw the Asus Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1, but will only consider Galaxy Tab 10.1 if it has Tegra 2!

Most of us hope it will not. There is plenty tablets with Tegra 2 to chose from (and play games).
But not even one 10.1" as capable (in video performance) as was first Galaxy Tab 7".

The thing is that even with a Tegra 2, Samsung may make sure that it can run videos decently at full HD which the original galaxy tab couldn't despite not being a Tegra

Full HD is not necessary (it has no screen to show it).
I do not ask for to much - 720p in all formats and profiles is sufficient
Proper network capable players are now cheap so I do not need to connect tablet to 47" plasma (that I do not have anyway) ;-)

I pray everyday it will have Tegra 2.
Gaming all the way.
I prefer to stream video from NAS rather than copy it to internal memory. Thus, high profile decoding is not needed.
And for that workaround is always available by converting the video.
While there is no workaround for missing Tegra 2 games.
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Most of us hope it will not. There is plenty tablets with Tegra 2 to chose from (and play games).
But not even one 10.1" as capable (in video performance) as was first Galaxy Tab 7".
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gogol said:
I pray everyday it will have Tegra 2.
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I prefer to stream video from NAS rather than copy it to internal memory. Thus, high profile decoding is not needed.
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What difference does it make where the files is stored? If it is 720p high profile h.264 you will not be able to watch it anyway.

The difference is storage space.
Streaming from PC (like VLC, Plex App or in iOS : Air Video) to device will not consume device internal memory.
And the PC (the streamer) is capable of decoding h.264 high profile for sure.
And also more convenient.
I would rather use the device internal memory for something else.
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What difference does it make where the files is stored? If it is 720p high profile h.264 you will not be able to watch it anyway.
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Well... if you want to decode and than stream movie form your PC than maybe it will work. The thing is I do not wish to keep my PC On just so I can watch the movie on tablet - it is crazy.
If, on the other hand you will have a movie on NAS storage it is still your tablet that does the decoding. In this case you can not watch above mentioned movie 720p. HP. (NAS is just a storage not a decoder).
If now, with netbook I can do all those things and netbook was approx $600. Why would I buy a more expenisve device that cant do all the same things and forces me to have 2 devices (PC & tablet) running just so I can use 1?

Well, my PC mostly ON when I am home anyway
Or when it is downloading something So, that's OK.
As I said, if not streaming then I will choose to convert 720p HP to supported format which can be played on Tegra 2 tablet.
To be honest, I don't need super high quality on 8.9" - 10.1", that's crazy
If I want to watch movie while I am at home, I will use my HDTV and my media center device.
Big screen, surround sound!
If I am on the go away from home, I will mostly play games, read news, web browsing or playing with my little daughter
Again, there are some workarounds to play H.264 High Profile on Tegra 2 device ... Don't worry about that.
But, there is no workaround to play Tegra 2 games on non-Tegra 2 device. CMIIW, because I want to play those Tegra 2 games on my Nexus S!
For me, having a tablet is quite convenient. I used to have a laptop, it is now broken. Glad that I have some picky requirements (14", high-res, long battery, etc.) which prevent me for buying a new one.
Now, I bought an iPad2 for my wife and I am using it for quite some times.
I found that tablet is a perfect device for my use
Gaming, web browsing, news reading, facebooking while laying down on bed or couch.
PS: Even we have never have any iOS device, my wife was desperate to have one. I refused to buy her an iPhone. But, iPad2, hardware wise is quite nice and I want to "taste" iOS device. But, after playing with iPad2 for some times, it is overrated. Pretty limited and usability is questionable.
Oh, this iPad2 for my wife as a little trick When I have my Android table, we don't have to share because she has one, and I have one ... LOL!
galtom said:
Well... if you want to decode and than stream movie form your PC than maybe it will work. The thing is I do not wish to keep my PC On just so I can watch the movie on tablet - it is crazy.
If, on the other hand you will have a movie on NAS storage it is still your tablet that does the decoding. In this case you can not watch above mentioned movie 720p. HP. (NAS is just a storage not a decoder).
If now, with netbook I can do all those things and netbook was approx $600. Why would I buy a more expenisve device that cant do all the same things and forces me to have 2 devices (PC & tablet) running just so I can use 1?
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gogol said:
1 Well, my PC mostly ON when I am home anyway
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2 As I said, if not streaming then I will choose to convert 720p HP to supported format which can be played on Tegra 2 tablet.
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3 To be honest, I don't need super high quality on 8.9" - 10.1", that's crazy
4 If I want to watch movie while I am at home, I will use my HDTV and my media center device.
Big screen, surround sound!
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5 Again, there are some workarounds to play H.264 High Profile on Tegra 2 device ... Don't worry about that.
6 But, there is no workaround to play Tegra 2 games on non-Tegra 2 device.
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1. My one is on only when I use it.
2. No time to do it, nor will - device for $800 has to be be able to play the same stuff old Galaxy Tab or cheap Archos tablet can play.
3. It is 720p screen on the tablet and that is the resolution and quality I expect.
4. Do not own one and do not plan to.
5. If I have to do tricks so device can do the same things I can do on cheap models its a waste of money. + I do not have time to learn tricks nor I want to.
6. Do not care about the games.
And this is non issue - plenty other tablets with Tegra 2 that can play Tegra games. So far, not even one proper tablet (10.1 with Honeycomb) that can play movies.

Then definitely our usage pattern is pretty much different.
For me, watching movie on small screen is not something I like to do a lot. Especially at home, which I prefer to watch on 46" HDTV with surround sound. That's why I could careless with H.264 high profile decoding. It is not important for me.
But, still I like this Samsung tablets hardware profile. Slim thin light good screen etc.
That's why I prefer Tegra 2 in it
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1. My one is on only when I use it.
2. No time to do it, nor will - device for $800 has to be be able to play the same stuff old Galaxy Tab or cheap Archos tablet can play.
3. It is 720p screen on the tablet and that is the resolution and quality I expect.
4. Do not own one and do not plan to.
5. If I have to do tricks so device can do the same things I can do on cheap models its a waste of money. + I do not have time to learn tricks nor I want to.
6. Do not care about the games.
And this is non issue - plenty other tablets with Tegra 2 that can play Tegra games. So far, not even one proper tablet (10.1 with Honeycomb) that can play movies.
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gogol said:
For me, watching movie on small screen is not something I like to do a lot. Especially at home, which I prefer to watch on 46" HDTV with surround sound.
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You could use tablet to view movies on your 46'' HDTV. Don't know about the surround sound though (is it working through HDMI?).

I like the Playbook more than the Xoom because...

I currently have the 3G Xoom that I bought the first week that it was out.
I also bought the 64 GB Playbook on its release day.
This thread is for people who is thinking of getting a smaller device than the Xoom.
Playbook vs. Xoom:
Advantages of the Playbook:
1. More portable and lighter. I carry it almost everywhere I go because it can fit into my leather jacket pocket. I can hold it up longer than I can do with my Xoom while laying in bed without the fear that it will fall on my face.
2. Better screen. The whites of the playbook is whiter. The picture looks sharper. It seems to have a better viewing angle.
3. It can play high-profile h.264 movies. It cannot play .mkv container movies yet but if you convert the high-profile h.264 movies to .mg4 (using the free program called XenonMKV) then it plays flawlessly with its high-profile h.264 quality unchanged from original....only the 5.1 DTS sound is downsample to stereo AAC.
4. Multitasking is better on the Playbook than the Xoom.
5. The speakers are better on the Playbook because it directs the sound toward you instead of away from you.
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Disadvantages of the Playbook:
1. Smaller screen than the Xoom
2. No default email (yet)
3. Cannot play .mkv container file (yet)
4. No micro SD card (but if you buy the 64 GB version then you don't have to worry about lack of space)
5. Not rootable (hope someone at XDA developer or any skilled person can hack it in the future)
6. No cellular feature (for the wi-fi only version)
7. Less apps (will improve in the future)
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For me, I like the Playbook better despite the negatives. I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom but I am keeping the 64 GB Playbook. I don't even have a blackberry phone and yet I still like the Playbook more.
It comes down to how I use the tablet the most that make me decide which is better. For me, it is portability (will use it more often) and watching high profile hi-def movies.

What does no default email mean? Like I could not use Gmail or Exchange?

Really I appreciate your opinion and if you would like I would take the inferior Xoom off your hands if u are giving it away.

Brenardo said:
Really I appreciate your opinion and if you would like I would take the inferior Xoom off your hands if u are giving it away.
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I am not giving it away. I am trying to sell it.

Ok, that's nice... thanks.
I don't really care though. If I was in the slightest bit interested in Blackberry, I would have waited around for the Playbook. If I wanted something 7", I would have gotten one of the many 7" Android tablets by now.

okie dokie

4. Multitasking is better on the Playbook than the Xoom.
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Explain. 10char

Why is this even in a xoom forum...troll elsewhere please.
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Explain. 10char
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Mutitaking seems to be better on the Playbook because I can open more windows. I believe that the Xoom can only have the most recent 5 that you can choose to mutitask. The Playbook can have more than 5.

Will the apps come for the playbook? Apps never came for Blackberry phones...
they will have the ability to use Android apps, but its still to be seen how well it will be integrated into the ecosystem.

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Why is this even in a xoom forum...troll elsewhere please.
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Well, because there is no forum that is dedicated to the Playbook here in XDA-developers forum.
Also, I also have the Xoom so I can make a comparison between the two devices.

Earthbrain said:
Mutitaking seems to be better on the Playbook because I can open more windows. I believe that the Xoom can only have the most recent 5 that you can choose to mutitask. The Playbook can have more than 5.
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I'll give you that, the 5 item back history seems arbitrary and limiting. Its not like the apps are killed, you just can't get back to them super quickly.

Earthbrain said:
Mutitaking seems to be better on the Playbook because I can open more windows. I believe that the Xoom can only have the most recent 5 that you can choose to mutitask. The Playbook can have more than 5.
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Wouldn't base my opinion on that, seeing as how there aren't really any decent apps for the Playbook, according to the Ars review posted today ;-)
Don't get me wrong, I liked the Playbook when I first heard about it. The specs are awesome, but it has two major downsides: lack of good 3rd party apps, and no native email/calendar/contacts sync support. It has to sync via a Blackberry handheld. Frankly, that sucks, and it's a gaping hole in design.
ANY other tablet, even the cheapo Android tabs, can sync your email without requiring any 'bridging' to a mobile phone.
The QNX OS is great, a lot like webOS, very intuitive and flexible. But without even basic messaging available out of the box (unless you already have a blackberry mobile), this is an epic fail in my book, and a major lost opportunity. "I coulda been a contender..."
The Xoom has its issues of course, but it isn't hampered out of the box like the Playbook is. I'm disappointed in RIM.

Earthbrain said:
I currently have the 3G Xoom that I bought the first week that it was out.
I also bought the 64 GB Playbook on its release day.
This thread is for people who is thinking of getting a smaller device than the Xoom.
Playbook vs. Xoom:
Advantages of the Playbook:
1. More portable and lighter. I carry it almost everywhere I go because it can fit into my leather jacket pocket. I can hold it up longer than I can do with my Xoom while laying in bed without the fear that it will fall on my face.
2. Better screen. The whites of the playbook is whiter. The picture looks sharper. It seems to have a better viewing angle.
3. It can play high-profile h.264 movies. It cannot play .mkv container movies yet but if you convert the high-profile h.264 movies to .mg4 (using the free program called XenonMKV) then it plays flawlessly with its high-profile h.264 quality unchanged from original....only the 5.1 DTS sound is downsample to stereo AAC.
4. Multitasking is better on the Playbook than the Xoom.
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Disadvantages of the Playbook:
1. Smaller screen than the Xoom
2. No default email (yet)
3. Cannot play .mkv container file (yet)
4. No micro SD card (but if you buy the 64 GB version than you don't have to worry about lack of space)
5. Not rootable (hope someone at XDA developer or any skilled person can hack it in the future)
6. No cellular feature (for the wi-fi only version)
7. Less apps (will improve in the future)
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For me, I like the Playbook better despite the negatives. I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom but I am keeping the 64 GB Playbook. I don't even have a blackberry phone and yet I still like the Playbook more.
It comes down to how I use the tablet the most that make me decide which is better. For me, it is portability (will use it more often) and watching high profile hi-def movies.
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I thanked your post because as I see you do actually own a Xoom you are giving us a brief rundown of a feature comparison between the two devices.
When I heard about this device on the radio I was interested until I heard all the **** it just can't do.
No email app out of the box? Really? That's hilarious, what a worthless peice of equipment if I can't read e-mail on it. App support? Lol WHAT App support have you seen in overwhelming display from Blackberry? All I know about Blackberry is that my experience in supporting their god awfull devices is just that... god awfull.
The screen is better, thats good.. smaller size is cool but then I agree with another guy... I'd just get a smaller android device.
With all that said, thanks for your write up and I hope that we dont get a huge proliferation of non-Xoom comparisons as a result.

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With all that said, thanks for your write up and I hope that we dont get a huge proliferation of non-Xoom comparisons as a result.
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For me, I love to read about device comparison. The more, the better. However, I would prefer that the person who writes the comparison actually own the devices and have been using it for at least 1 week.
I actually currently have 4 tablets. They are the jailbroken ipad, T-mobile Samsung Galaxy tab with custom ROM Overcome 1.6.3, Xoom 3G, and the 64 GB Playbook.
Each has its strong and weak points. I use each one according to the situation that I am in. I don't like to bash other devices (or the people who buy them) because of the reason that I just mentioned. I just like to point out the advantages and disadvantages and let people decide for themselves.

You must have really weak arms if the Xoom is a challenge for you to hold up for long periods of time. Try going to the gym?
Also, I can see why the Playbook would be able to play high profile h.264, it's pushing less pixels and has a higher clocked CPU. How does it do playing 720p Youtube videos in browser though? You know how often I've played 720p video files on my Xoom? Once, because I wanted to try it. How often do I Youtube? Just about every day and the new Flash 10.2 makes 720p video playable on the Xoom(granted overclocked to 1.5ghz, the Xoom at stock clock does pretty poorly with 720p video on Youtube still).

Earthbrain said:
For me, I love to read about device comparison. The more, the better. However, I would prefer that the person who writes the comparison actually own the devices and have been using it for at least 1 week.
I actually currently have 4 tablets. They are the jailbroken ipad, T-mobile Samsung Galaxy tab with custom ROM Overcome 1.6.3, Xoom 3G, and the 64 GB Playbook.
Each has its strong and weak points. I use each one according to the situation that I am in. I don't like to bash other devices (or the people who buy them) because of the reason that I just mentioned. I just like to point out the advantages and disadvantages and let people decide for themselves.
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Well there's also the fact that if people in this forum were at all interested in other devices I'd wager that we'd be in other device forums looking for those reviews. Honestly... I want to come to the XOOM Forum to read about the XOOM and not a bunch of other stuff which is why I left my reply off with the comment I did. I gave you thanks for your comparison between two devices but something tells me that a new rash of "im taking my xoom back for XYZ thing" is around the corner and let me tell you those get old and boring fast.
Again... appreciate your write up. From the looks of the features of that tablet... I wouldn't even be able to use it for the most menial of day to day things and thats laughable (to me).

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You must have really weak arms if the Xoom is a challenge for you to hold up for long periods of time. Try going to the gym?
Also, I can see why the Playbook would be able to play high profile h.264, it's pushing less pixels and has a higher clocked CPU. How does it do playing 720p Youtube videos in browser though? You know how often I've played 720p video files on my Xoom? Once, because I wanted to try it. How often do I Youtube? Just about every day and the new Flash 10.2 makes 720p video playable on the Xoom(granted overclocked to 1.5ghz, the Xoom at stock clock does pretty poorly with 720p video on Youtube still).
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If you ask 100 people if they would prefer a lighter tablet or a heavier tablet, I would bet that more than 50% of the people would say that they prefer a lighter tablet. I would even bet that most professional weight lifter would prefer a lighter tablet.
The Playbook is great at playing 720p youtube videos. In fact, flash seems to be better on my Playbook than on my Xoom, even when I just upgrade to the latest Flash version on the Xoom yesterday.

Earthbrain said:
If you ask 100 people if they would prefer a lighter tablet or a heavier tablet, I would bet that more than 50% of the people would say that they prefer a lighter tablet. I would even bet that most professional weight lifter would prefer a lighter tablet.
The Playbook is great at playing 720p youtube videos. In fact, flash seems to be better on my Playbook than on my Xoom, even when I just upgrade to the latest Flash version on the Xoom yesterday.
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I weight train, I'm not a professional but I do alright, the weight on the Xoom truly doesn't matter. 1.3lbs or whatever it is is next to nothing. Your experience with Flash on the Playbook doesn't seem to match that of anyone reviewing it.

To OP, I think you are compare two devices with different usage.
I’ve a Xoom mainly to use at home, and a Samsung Galaxy tab as media consumption device for daily commute.
I think the playbook cost too much and not offer any advantages over Android and Apple products.
For example, the Playbook doesn’t have enough apps to attract any android and Apple users and it don’t have 3G version.
I’d recommend 7” Android tablet for anyone who wants a mobile device.
I.E. the cheaper Galaxy Tab have all the advantages you listed, plus with Overcome ROM is very fast and lag free. Since its running Androide 2.2, nearly all the apps in market will work on the device. Also it can play mkv files.
P.S. I use MultiTasking Pro as work around for the limited app switching in Xoom, works well and I can also close most of the apps.

[Q] Acer Iconia vs Toshiba ANT

I was in Best Buy this weekend when i came across the Acer Iconia. It is a nice little device and it has a lot of potential. I decided to do a little research and come to these forums to get more information.
Here is what I know:
W/O rooting it will support FAT 32 HDD, has a lot of trouble with different video formats, can only playback 720. The camera as not the greatest. Acer provides the updates so you can expect little to no updates by their history (Asus is not much better as I had an Asus O!Play and the support was horrible).
Once rooted you can enable ntfs support.
My question is if it can shoot video in 1080p and it can only playback 720p what happens to the video you watch from your recording? is it getting downsampled? This seemed like an inconsistency to me. Also, is the video issues due to Honeycomb? I would have to think this is true because other users have had success on xoom or the asus eee transformer.
As i was researching i saw the Toshiba ANT. It is basically all the same specs except optimized more for media. Since it is not in stores yet I do not have a lot to compare.
Do other users have any thoughts on these two (Acer from use and TOshiba from reviews?).
Should I just wait until the Toshiba is available? Is Honeycomb going to get a little more mature with an update?
I currently have a rooted EVO and love it. I am adverse to the iPad due to the lack of expandable media and proprietary video chatting.
For my tablet I am looking for 1080 playback, 1080 HDMI out, support for a lot of profiles (but I am willing to handbrake if needed like i did for my evo). Ideally rooting (the Acer is super easy to root), use the apps on my evo on my tablet (I know i have to wait for the honeycomb versions), USB Support for ex journal or ntfs, DLNA support (Twonky is what i use), Video chatting that works (I haven't got a video chat app to work on the evo).
I know its a long list but for the money, I do not want to be disappointed at the lack of features or issues that a lot of these tabs are having.
Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Don't think you will be able to compare the two until the Toshiba comes out and people get their hands on it. I like the Acer, but the biggest problem I'm having right now is the SD card access; you can't see it in Windows, and so far I haven't figured out how to make my media programs store to it. As far as the 720p vs 1080p issue, from what I understand you have to have a screen bigger than 26" or so to be able to tell the difference, so I'm not worried about that one.
This tablet will be a lot better when they unlock the bootloader and the devs start working their magic on it.

Bboy486,
Just an opinion. I just bought an Acer. I studied what I could find
on the Xoom, Acer, ASUS Transformer, Toshiba and Samsung Galaxy
Tab 10.
The all have deficiencies and advantages.
-- Xoom costs too much IMO.
-- ASUS doesn't have USB on tablet and I need that.
-- Samsung also doesn't have (won't have?) good connections.
-- Toshiba has full-size SDCard (I think I remember) but price is suppose to be....
My point is not to provide details on the tablets, but to show that there is no such
thing as a perfect tablet.
IMHO, the Acer Iconia A500 provides the most features I need -- mini and full-size USB, HDMI type d out, microsSD card, very good screen, HC, etc. And the price is
good at $449 too.
I'm sure eventually there will be a better one come along. I'll just have to decide
then whether or not to buy it.
Meanwhile, I'm gonna have some fun!!!!
Rev
P. S. -- The Acer so far is not extremely mod-able. But if it is good for daily use I can
live with that and keep playing with my G-Tablets.
P. S. S. -- Someone was talking about only 720P. If I remember correctly, Acer says it will
have a patch out to up that to 1080p early summer!!??? I think I read that.......

Get Moboplayer in the market for your videos needs. it also has codec's to download so get those too. nuff said
Also the Toshiba looks twice as thick as the Acer. http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/

I would say wait for the Nexus Tablet which is suppose to be release this year. It would make sense to buy Googles development tablet.
We can see updates to Honeycomb directly from Google.
*We know from the past some carriers/manufactures are terrible when releasing OS updates.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383447,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585

SmittyRN said:
Don't think you will be able to compare the two until the Toshiba comes out and people get their hands on it. I like the Acer, but the biggest problem I'm having right now is the SD card access; you can't see it in Windows, and so far I haven't figured out how to make my media programs store to it. As far as the 720p vs 1080p issue, from what I understand you have to have a screen bigger than 26" or so to be able to tell the difference, so I'm not worried about that one.
This tablet will be a lot better when they unlock the bootloader and the devs start working their magic on it.
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@Smitty
That is the problem. We don't know when the Toshiba will hit stores or availability. I also do not know what Toshiba historically is known for with software updates. I know from experience the Acer > Asus but < HTC.
On your SD issue, is the card formatted Fat or Fat32? I know this is a Acer Iconia limitation.
When I was referring to 720 vs 1080 i meant the formats of my movies. So for example, if i had a 1080p movie, will the Iconia downsample the video to 720, or give me an error that it cannot play it? I read a bunch about the Iconia having a lot of issues with file formats. My Evo for example can play a 1080p movie with Rockplayer. Works well. Do not need to handbrake the file if I do not want to.
Bootloader - is that the same a the recovery and clockworkmod? I saw a post about an easy root method and a ntfs fix (this might also help you!)

butchconner said:
Bboy486,
Just an opinion. I just bought an Acer. I studied what I could find
on the Xoom, Acer, ASUS Transformer, Toshiba and Samsung Galaxy
Tab 10.
The all have deficiencies and advantages.
-- Xoom costs too much IMO.
-- ASUS doesn't have USB on tablet and I need that.
-- Samsung also doesn't have (won't have?) good connections.
-- Toshiba has full-size SDCard (I think I remember) but price is suppose to be....
My point is not to provide details on the tablets, but to show that there is no such
thing as a perfect tablet.
IMHO, the Acer Iconia A500 provides the most features I need -- mini and full-size USB, HDMI type d out, microsSD card, very good screen, HC, etc. And the price is
good at $449 too.
I'm sure eventually there will be a better one come along. I'll just have to decide
then whether or not to buy it.
Meanwhile, I'm gonna have some fun!!!!
Rev
P. S. -- The Acer so far is not extremely mod-able. But if it is good for daily use I can
live with that and keep playing with my G-Tablets.
P. S. S. -- Someone was talking about only 720P. If I remember correctly, Acer says it will
have a patch out to up that to 1080p early summer!!??? I think I read that.......
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"-- Toshiba has full-size SDCard (I think I remember) but price is suppose to be...."
--- Not sure if i follow your point here? The prices are 450, 500, and 550 or 600 for 8, 16, 32GB models. They were on amazon, bb, and newegg, but they can change I am sure.
"IMHO, the Acer Iconia A500 provides the most features I need -- mini and full-size USB, HDMI type d out, microsSD card, very good screen, HC, etc. And the price is good at $449 too."
--- I assume you haven't had issues with the FAT 32 limitation of HDD (all my drives are NTFS or ext Journaled. What if you want to play a BluRay RIP? I do agree the price is decent, that is why I am interested.
What do you mean not mod-able? You can root, and i am sure there are themes and launchers available ala OS 2.3.
Do you know where you read about the patch? I have a bad history with Asus and promises of 1080p support on devices. My Acer Revo Atom 230 was also suppose to do 1080, but realistically it can do 720p without a sweat. But Acer promised with FLash 10.1 and hardware acceleration is would work. It didnt though.

akademik09usa said:
I would say wait for the Nexus Tablet which is suppose to be release this year. It would make sense to buy Googles development tablet.
We can see updates to Honeycomb directly from Google.
*We know from the past some carriers/manufactures are terrible when releasing OS updates.
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I hear you. There is always going to be something coming out if one waits. I waited for four years for the iphone on verizon. Went to Sprint last summer after 9 years on Verizon and got an evo. I could have waited but I love me phone most of the time after getting comfortable with Android.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Your post got me thinking, which updates are you referring to? If the Acer for example is rooted and i take an OTA then it will unroot the phone. I was told do not accept OTA updates and wait for the rom.
Is there a difference. The beauty of Android is that the great devs on this forum with custom roms include updates to the OS.
At least that is my understanding. Am I off base?

Bboy486 said:
@Smitty
That is the problem. We don't know when the Toshiba will hit stores or availability. I also do not know what Toshiba historically is known for with software updates. I know from experience the Acer > Asus but < HTC.
On your SD issue, is the card formatted Fat or Fat32? I know this is a Acer Iconia limitation.
When I was referring to 720 vs 1080 i meant the formats of my movies. So for example, if i had a 1080p movie, will the Iconia downsample the video to 720, or give me an error that it cannot play it? I read a bunch about the Iconia having a lot of issues with file formats. My Evo for example can play a 1080p movie with Rockplayer. Works well. Do not need to handbrake the file if I do not want to.
Bootloader - is that the same a the recovery and clockworkmod? I saw a post about an easy root method and a ntfs fix (this might also help you!)
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My card is FAT32. I can see the card via Astrofile, I just have no option to save things to it via any apps. I'll live with it for now, hopefully some custom ROMs will be coming along soon.
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rog152 said:
Get Moboplayer in the market for your videos needs. it also has codec's to download so get those too. nuff said
Also the Toshiba looks twice as thick as the Acer.
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Not sure the thickness bothers me. I am planning on carrying a portable HDD with my media so the Weight is not too much of a concern. Otherwise I would just get an iPad2.
Isn't moboplayer the same thing as rock player?

Bboy486 said:
Not sure the thickness bothers me. I am planning on carrying a portable HDD with my media so the Weight is not too much of a concern. Otherwise I would just get an iPad2.
Isn't moboplayer the same thing as rock player?
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I've had better luck with Rockplayer than moboplayer

Asus TF worth buying if sticking to stock FW?

Ok,
I am in the market for a tablet, and hate apple with a pashion. That being said, it leaves me with the options of many good android alternatives.
I am torn between this and the Motorola XOOM tablet. IMO the Acer has a piss poor build quality (though I know alot like it...).
Which is best straight out of the box? I can flash custom roms ofc, but would prefer to stick to stock software for the first 6 months anyway.
I am also considering getting it without the dock as I dont think it would be something I would use much....mabye I am wrong...lol.
Anyhow, whats the TF like running stock software?
Thanks,
Danny

Sorry, should have said, I want a tablet to showcase my amature photography, watch movies and to surf the web
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Asus appears to be better than Moto at tying software to hardware. Their support for software has also stomps all over Moto.

The stock firmware on the TF is perfect for every day usage. Paired with the keyboard dock, I have no problems using it like a regular laptop. It's a powerful piece of hardware that plays nicely with all of my existing storage devices, and even a few of my game controllers. I did end up rooting it anyway, though, just so that I could block ads and disable tap to click on the touchpad.
Photo viewing works flawlessly, provided you can store your photos on a SD card or external hard drive, which you would then plug into the TF. At this point the support for plugging in an actual camera is a bit spotty, no telling whether or not it will work until you try it. Movie support is sort of a mixed bag, as it all depends on which video playing app you use. Personally I like to rip all of my Blu ray movies so that I can watch them from my hard drive, so I use Handbrake to re-encode them all so they can be played natively in the stock Google video player. If instead you have a lot of videos in unrecognized formats like xvid, you'll need to test them with a third party video player.

earlyberd said:
The stock firmware on the TF is perfect for every day usage. Paired with the keyboard dock, I have no problems using it like a regular laptop. It's a powerful piece of hardware that plays nicely with all of my existing storage devices, and even a few of my game controllers. I did end up rooting it anyway, though, just so that I could block ads and disable tap to click on the touchpad.
Photo viewing works flawlessly, provided you can store your photos on a SD card or external hard drive, which you would then plug into the TF. At this point the support for plugging in an actual camera is a bit spotty, no telling whether or not it will work until you try it. Movie support is sort of a mixed bag, as it all depends on which video playing app you use. Personally I like to rip all of my Blu ray movies so that I can watch them from my hard drive, so I use Handbrake to re-encode them all so they can be played natively in the stock Google video player. If instead you have a lot of videos in unrecognized formats like xvid, you'll need to test them with a third party video player.
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all my xvid and divx flawlessly in rockplayer and even stream from a NAS using upnplayer

what will you use app wise to show of your amateur photography? The stock gallery? Are there better apps out there?

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all my xvid and divx flawlessly in rockplayer and even stream from a NAS using upnplayer
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MKVs doesnt play audio, decodes video though.

I bought a Xoom first, then an Ipad 2 and have now settled with the Transformer. In my opinion (discounting the Ipad 2 as it's far too limited so I passed that onto the wife ) the Xoom and TF'er are pretty much the same......
the differences which set them apart as the spec are virtually identical are:
- thickness of the tablet
The TF obviously wins this and whilst it may not be the worlds biggest issue, you can definitely 'feel' the difference when you are holding it in your hands and the additional weight of the Xoom can make your arms ache after a while...basically, it's not the most comfortable tablet to hold.
- SD card support
The 3.1 update for the Xoom didn't include the SD card fix so as long as the tablet is stock it is still unsupported (Google still working on the update as far as I'm aware). I know there are fixes and work arounds available but this would depend on what your intentions are regarding modding/rooting etc. The TF'er has it working out of the box so you could drop up to a 32Gb Micro SD card in on day 1. Definitely a bonus and as the OP mentioned a vanilla tablet for the first 6 months in their current state this could be a big issue for the Xoom especially for a photographer who needs storage space.
- Price
Definitely the biggest thing for me...not because I'm on a shoe-string but because of the fact that the tablets have the same O/S, the same spec, the same features and the same software......why would anyone take the Xoom over a TF?, especially with a considerable hike in price and the TF has a much nicer screen which is a major feature of the tablet in itself.
Basically you can't go far wrong with either, but if you're gonna drop £380 or $399 on a tablet then get the one which is $100 cheaper than the current competition.
......and that leads me on to arguably the biggest feature of the TF. The dock. Whilst it may not be a requirement to a lot of people, or something that adds a lot of interest....the flexibility is there to have the TF'er as a notebook replacement - and it also means additional storage space is available via the SD card slot, USB ports which in my opinion will also offer future flexibility as device/accessories/peripherals can be added in the near future with the relevant support.
All in all, a 16GB TF at £380/$399 can have a 32Gb micro SD, and 64GB SD (or another 32GB Micro SD with adaptor) and offers twice the flexibility of the Xoom whilst offering a virtually identical base-feature set. After owning them all, it would be a no-brainer for me. I've not become a fanboy or anything daft like that and wouldn't 'slag' the Xoom off but in a direct comparison with the TF it's virtually identical, so I'd go with 'bang for buck' and flexibility. The TF gets both points by quite a large margin.

What did you find limiting about the iPad 2? Genuine question. I have a tf and ipad2 and I feel they both have limitations.

h00ligan said:
What did you find limiting about the iPad 2? Genuine question. I have a tf and ipad2 and I feel they both have limitations.
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In comparison to the TF (or large majority of Android devices)
Connectivity - no USB/storage devices meaning there is no option but to get apps/data/movies transferred to the tablet etc via a wireless connection or 3rd party application.
Requirement of additional peripherals for HDMI/cameras etc whereas the TF can take a direct connection or plug in the micro sd card directly for transfer.
The dependency on iTunes for some functionality. ie I'd be reluctant to take my Ipad2 anywhere for an extended period of time without a laptop for backup and updates etc. Another example that infringes on this is if you want to copy friends data/music then it's much more difficult to do this with an Apple IOS than it is with Android due to the bluetooth and connectivity issue.
Customisation - speaks for itself.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that every device has its limitations including the TF'er. The Ipad is a lovely bit of hardware, definitely has the better app store, more polished apps and better UI overall but the issues I listed above are restrictive to me personally and if I had to make a choice (which I don't) and could only take one of them, I'd select the TF in a heartbeat because of these points.

ASUS is hands down better than the xoom under every circumstance.
HOWEVER, if you're not interested in the dock (and the functionality it offers) for the TF or having a micro-sd card on the tablet itself, then you should probably go for the galaxy tab 10.1.
It's a $100 more than the TF but it supposedly has a better screen, is lighter and some people are saying that it has better build quality than the TF also.
Just don't get any android tablet other than the TF or Galaxy tab 10.1, especially if you're trying to show off your photography.

starplaya93 said:
ASUS is hands down better than the xoom under every circumstance.
HOWEVER, if you're not interested in the dock (and the functionality it offers) for the TF or having a micro-sd card on the tablet itself, then you should probably go for the galaxy tab 10.1.
It's a $100 more than the TF but it supposedly has a better screen, is lighter and some people are saying that it has better build quality than the TF also.
Just don't get any android tablet other than the TF or Galaxy tab 10.1, especially if you're trying to show off your photography.
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Actually, the TF has a much better screen. Look at any video reviews. I remember in a comparison I saw, both the TF and Xoom had the same wallpaper. The TF showed every color, while the Xoom washed out and showed a blend of white...
Since you're going to use it to show off photography, the SD reader in the keyboard dock would come in handy. I found my TF to be very snappy and responsive. I cannot stream pictures and movies correctly, but that's because I don't know how

SwiftLegend said:
Actually, the TF has a much better screen. Look at any video reviews. I remember in a comparison I saw, both the TF and Xoom had the same wallpaper. The TF showed every color, while the Xoom washed out and showed a blend of white...
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But he didn't even mention the Xoom... he did however compare the TF with the Samsung Galaxy tab 10"
And here i offer a little insight: seems that Samsung loves to have over saturated screens. That could actually be an issue, if the tab has to be used to show photographs... I know that if I set brightness at maximum on my 7" galaxy tab, skintones ends up in the douchebag tan kind of orange. On the other hand, low brightness makes for nice and vivid colours.
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I'd say the TF is the all-round winner for your photography needs:
- It has a much better screen than the Xoom, so that's out.
- It's cheaper than the Samsung
- It has a working AND existent microSD card on it (should be invaluable for transferring pics if your camera also uses microSD. Also if you DID want to to root and flash a new ROM, the Samsung's out again (is this their "No Root" ploy?)
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Thanks paradaz

AlexTheStampede said:
But he didn't even mention the Xoom... he did however compare the TF with the Samsung Galaxy tab 10"
And here i offer a little insight: seems that Samsung loves to have over saturated screens. That could actually be an issue, if the tab has to be used to show photographs... I know that if I set brightness at maximum on my 7" galaxy tab, skintones ends up in the douchebag tan kind of orange. On the other hand, low brightness makes for nice and vivid colours.
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This over saturated screen on the 10.1 will drive me nuts not only viewing photographs but also watching movies. Its sound like that vivid mode u see on lcd. Some people prefer that look on their tv maybe that why led lcd sell so great. I prefer that natural look you see on plasma tv.

Wow, thanks for the replies guys!
The Galaxy tab was never going to be an option for me with the lack of being able to use removable storage.
Looks like the transformer will be my weapon of choice! Although you are now making me reconsider getting the dock as well....
My reasons for not getting the dock where;
1. It would be another item to cart around. I will be generally only using the tablet so will probably get a leather cover for it. If I where going away I would need to also bring the keyboard as well, perhaps in a separate case?
2. Low stock in the UK at present...i can drive 2 miles and pick up the tablet only package.
Although I didn't know it had an SD card reader! That coupled with the additional battery capacity is rather appealing!
To answer an earlier question, I have no specific app in mind to show off my photos... Can anyone else advise if there is better options than the stock gallery? I use lightroom on my PC, but would imagine nothing similar is available on android.
Also is it possible to convert mkv's to play on these tablets? 95% off all my digital media is in mkv format.....
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djglenn1337 said:
Also is it possible to convert mkv's to play on these tablets? 95% off all my digital media is in mkv format.....
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mkv is only the container so many third players like moboplayer are able to open mkv files..
what's really matters is the codec used inside the container, as of now, the TF on 3.1 is able to hard-decode H264 720p High profile and 1080p base profile..
you can use handbreak to encode media files if necessary:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825

djglenn1337 said:
Also is it possible to convert mkv's to play on these tablets? 95% off all my digital media is in mkv format.....
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I do know some people seems to be experiencing problems with mkv's. Unsure what codecs (video/audio) their mkv's might have, because I played about 30 different mkv's made by different people with and without soft-subs and I've not experienced any hitches or glitches to either sound or video.
All I use is moboplayer and start them - plays flawlessly.