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I'm starting a new thread in hopes that we can leave the negative shenanigans out of this one and get some work done here. Please help out all you can! Thanks
EDIT: changed the name of the thread a little as this thread is now including appreciation for our awesome devs here!
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My estimate of our wonderful phone receiving 2.3 is Feb. 14th.
*facepalms
impossible
now mods have two threads to close
when and if someone gets it working, they'll make a thread. threads like this belong in general
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I'm starting a new thread in hopes that we can leave the negative shenanigans out of this one and get some work done here. Please help out all you can! Thanks
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Devs please make sure you parse apps right that is the biggest problem people forget to check also. You must get rid of all eris files. This is a sdk build and really needs alot of changes to make work.
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Just go straight to honeycomb. Cant we just get a rom dump from the blurry pics of the non released motorola tablet shown today on engadget lol.
Now here's my question why must all leaked pictures be blurry??
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So they look "leaky" haha, clear photos don't look underground enough. I think its hilarious how so many people complain about how crappy gingerbread is but then complain when they don't have it after 3 seconds of it being released!
I know this thread will get closed quickly, but I did just want to express my thanks to all the devs here for all the hard work and energy you put into our toys. You guys deserve honor for what you do because many of you have families, real jobs, and real lives and you do all this for free.
But time is money and it costs you many hours so that we can load ridiculously cool software and soup our phones up, again, for free!
Its time we started giving honor, respect, and donations where it belongs. I apologize for the way some people have treated yall here, its not okay. I also think though that those of us who are appreciative need not be silent anymore, as unexpressed gratitude comes across as ingratitude. I am on here a lot checking for updates and downloadin new roms and probably need to speak up more on the positives. I think people only post when something goes wrong: if everything's smooth we silently bask in the rom glory, but if one bug comes our way we blow up the threads.
I know I am generalizing and this doesn't apply to everyone, but this is just what I've observed. Once again I honor you guys for the the skill, talent, and generosity you have to do all these amazing roms and kernels and themes for us. I know you do it for fun but seriously thank you!
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Thats right people, lets all just be thankful we have devs out there supporting our phone. Even if some are split between projects and can't devote full attention to the Dinc, at least its SOMEBODY. At the end of the day, the majority of us would take one look at some code and go "screw that". These people got some major skill, and I'm thankful for ALL the devs every time I see my Dinc with a CM6 bootscreen (And others can insert their own ROM touches, Myn, SR, etc..).
I've always been meaning to really thank the devs here but I never know who to really thank anymore I mean rmk thanks for virtuous ncx I'm sure that's wrong but thanks your your awesome clocks whoever made my iron man splash screen thanks thanks to everyone who has made the eighty million mods I frankenstine into my phone. Without you all my phone would be lame and with you I have something I show off everyday. Thanks a lot to everyone you guys put a lot into stuff that gives close to nothing back and that is just idk awesome lol. I'm done with this thanks rant now. Lol I think we created a thanks thread for now and not a gingerbread one.
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I was going to start a new thread in general just for everyone to thank all the XDA devs working on the Incredible, but this one seems to have that vibe going. Who knows, maybe I still will make that thread. But anyways I just wanted to throw my thanks out there to the devs cause without you this whole forum wouldn't even be here. I know *some of you guys* got trashed earlier on other threads, and I'm sorry for that. I guess some people just got caught up in the smell of gingerbread fresh out of the oven. I hope you guys know that there are those of us who really do appreciate your work and although those like myself don't have the knowledge to write our own code, I personally am willing to help and contribute any way I can. So my hats off to you devs, keep fighting the good fight.
Droid Incredible for the win.
Sincerely,
Cmdoptesc47
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On a more interesting note.. I've been taking breaks from finals studying to play with the new sdk. My first couple attempts of a pure gingerbread rom for inc all resulted in boot loops. I'll definitely have more time to fuss around with it later today though. So, hold your freakin horses. Beggers can't always be choosers
When I get the new lap top I'm loking to make the dev jump
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On a more interesting note.. I've been taking breaks from finals studying to play with the new sdk. My first couple attempts of a pure gingerbread rom for inc all resulted in boot loops. I'll definitely have more time to fuss around with it later today though. So, hold your freakin horses. Beggers can't always be choosers
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I'm working on this as well; boot looping here too. Free time is limited right now, though, so I'm not sure if I'll have anything usable before the new year.
Agree with everyone thanking the devs. You guys are awesome. Thanks for helping free us from the grasps of our carriers and use the full potential of our phones!!!!
I just want to post my thanks to all the developers. One of the reasons i purchased an android phone in the first place is the massive mod community that it had. My experience has been amazing and what some of you guys do is beyond what i can even imagine myself accomplishing with the same tools. The few asshats that get bent of shape every time something doesn't work exactly how they want are just that, the few and the loud. They do not speak for the majority and should be penalized for their disrespect.
As much as i could denounce ****ers like AndroidStu and papi, i understand where IncDoes is coming from. He, along with many other devs, give us all these things that they created in their free time completely free of charge. They owe us nothing and only share their creation with us. I am ashamed to be grouped with such ungrateful ****tards.
I'd also like to take some time to post a quick thanks to our dev community. You guys are superhuman.
If I have seen farther, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.
Yep it's easy to get in a rut and forget and/or take for granted what these guys do. I used to theme for Blackberry and especially when I had multiple themes going, it seemed to consume every ounce of my free time. And what I was doing is like tinkertoys compared to what these guys are doing...no comparison. Not even in the same universe.
There have been some unfortunate events that have occured in the last day or so but regardless of what and when 2.3 advancements hit...my sincere thanks to all who make this phone and community a better place.
While everyone else is at it ill add
This phone has the best support by far than every other thread
The devs take the time to tackle individual problems that we have along with building us great roms
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While everyone else is at it ill add
This phone has the best support by far than every other thread
The devs take the time to tackle individual problems that we have along with building us great roms
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+1000. i can wait for Gingerbread. between cyanogen's rom, seanzers' CM6 fixes, invisiblek's kernels and everything else available for the DInc I've got an awesome phone and I'm hella grateful. i would be remiss to not at least shout out all the rest of the devs out there who are doing their thing as well.
the only person I know who'd hate on Devs is my wife, who feels like she's lost me to ROM flashing, kernel swapping, radio upgrading and all the other shenanigans that go with have root, bloody root.
I must also say thanks to all the devs the DInc has
You guys do some amazing stuff that I could never do
What is happening to this community?
What is with all the complaining ALL the time? This community is falling apart and we are all responsible for that. It seems all anyone ever does is complain about EVERY little tiny thing... We actually have it pretty good. Most of the Epic users will be on stock ROM's for the life of their phones. We have the opportunity to use, create and share something much better. The developers here at XDA are top notch and clearly do a better job then both Sprint and Samsung seem to be capable of...and yet we still find things to complain about and people to criticize. Why is that??
Speaking of the developers here, they put a HUGE amount of time and sometimes money (hosting ect) into providing all of us something truly useful and a big step up from what we would otherwise be stuck with. The attitude of "entitlement" needs to shift to something more like being "grateful" for what is provide here, FREE of charge.
Sure some developers have an off XDA website but so what. If it doesn't violate the rules then WHO CARES. Speaking for myself ONLY, I have very good reasons for redirecting (and I do believe I meet the requirements) traffic to my blog and they don't revolve around money. If you don't like the "inconvenience" of being redirected then don't use my ROM's. I can't please everyone..no matter how hard I may try. The way I personally view it is if I can find the time in my life to put this stuff together for anyone that wants to use it then you should be able to find the extra few minutes it takes click the link and follow it to my blog. That is the only thing I ask for all the time I freely give to this.
Quite frankly, we as the members of the XDA community need to reevaluate things. The developers DONATE their time (and some have precious little of it) and energy to HELP all of you... This whole "entitled" attitude and the "God complexes" some people have developed is a bit disturbing. I won't speak for anyone but myself but in my opinion, the sheer amount of time that goes into these releases completely eclipses the few minutes it takes to redirect to another site for a link (again as long as it doesn't violate the rules). Instead of complaining about EVERYTHING be GRATEFUL your not stuck on a stock ROM....
Many people can't even be bothered to click the Thanks button or read the directions.. I personally like helping you all out if my limited knowledge can be useful but I'm starting to become to frustrated to care anymore and I do really try to stay positive. All of this drama revolves around a phone....a phone people. There are WAY bigger things going on around you right now to get this worked up about a phone..... If you need some perspective on life please feel free to read my blog.
We can do better... I know we are all capable of better... When crap threads get started don't dignify them by commenting, just move past it. Report it if you want and more on... We should all take some pride in all the accomplishments this community achieved.
For my part, I will continue to help, learn and contribute to this community while spreading Autism Awareness..... What will you do?
Amen brother!
Gotta agree with you 100%. I came from another forum and a WinMo phone, and the community was much more supportive and friendly. The only reason I stay is because of a few excellent developers here. Not sure why XDA is getting so unpleasant, but we could use a little more tolerance here.
(Hope that doesn't get me banned)
Well said. Its all free why complain. I am not a developer but I have tried every rom on here and it seems to me most of the roms have a little bit of work from all the devs......so why the bickering. I also have to imagine most devs do this as kind of a hobby, why else do it there is almost nothing to be gained other than the challenge of improving on something that a manufacturer didn't get quite right (not baashing sammy every phone has its own issues or xda probably wouldn't be so popular).
That being said I just started using midnight, nice rom man. But besides that I started reading your blog about a month ago, it really makes me step back and take a look at things differently. I don't post much on this site cuz I have little to actually contribute but your right there are bigger things than a rom to get worked up over.
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I think you and all the devs do an awesome job personally. Honestly any problem I've ever had has been solved just by searching for literally less then 5 minutes. I hardly need to ask questions because the devs and testers are so quick to answer any question. I absolutely LOVE how my phone runs and works.
Any negative threads I just...ignore. No point in them really.
So ya THANKS to you and all the devs.
I know when i was on my tp2 and flashing roms even tho how much a pos that phone was compared to this amazing phone we have now and the awesome roms we have
i have been happy and not complaining about anything on my epic.
If people dont like samsung then go buy something else i personally been fed up with htc hardware..
As for redirecting to sites, i have no problem doing that a all and i like reading your blog @ptfdmedic i always goto your site if im looking for a flashable zip or news, even tho i dont use your rom
i appreciate all your hard work and your autism awareness.
This community is for people who want to experiment with your phone and make it better, so if you happen to have an issue dont complain instead search read instructions and dont be lazy and ***** at samsung software glitches and what not considering our amazing developers here usually have some fixes within a few hours of the bug report.
AMAZING
Thanks to all the developers
For making my epic truly epic and better then any phone out atm.
Agreed!!
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
The issues described reflect a larger societal issue. We cannot change people, so the best tools are forum moderators and users setting a good example.
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As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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u say this after you take your so called "Toothpaste" ad out of your signature. lmao
I agree with you pftmedic. Thanks for that speech. I hope.more.people will read it and realize what you said. Why get worked up cause you have to.make 2 extra clicks to download a rom for FREE!! I also wanted to say that I.love reading your blogs Rob and my prayers are with you and your family. I really enjoyed the story about the man at the grocery store. That was very touching and you had me emotional. I know your goal is to try to get autism awareness out there so people can understand it. I don't know anyone that has autism so I never really knew about it. I just wanted to let u know that you opened up my eyes to autism and I.live reading your stories. Thanks for being such an inspiration to us when we are feeling overwhelmed with something. I will continue to pray for you and your family and God bless your little angels.
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As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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...comedic relief.....
Perhaps sometimes people need a place to vent and work out their stress. I know, do it elsewhere, not here......
Thank you for saying what a lot of us have been thinking.
Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.
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Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.
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I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.
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I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.
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Well said my friend
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Thanks, it is appreciated. I agree with the complaints thing. It's part of the reason I don't post too often. Except to thank.
Yea i was "joking"
Keepin it Constructive
Thanks buddy - well said! Hope this connects with the right folks.
Well said ptfdmedic, I agree that there are many people who feel entitled here. Maybe I come across that way without feeling like I do but I try my best not to. I don't hit the thanks button much but I am fairly new here and I am not used to it. As for redirecting to your site, I actually like being redirected there, I read 50 pages of your blog the other night and it was eyeopening. My father works in special-ed and the kids he works with are at Eliot's level, it was interesting to read just how further the continuum goes.
I know that there have been a LOT of changes going on around here. I also know that moral seems to suffering as a result. I thought it was important for you ALL to see what this community is TRULY capable of and why I LOVE it so much.
As many of you may be aware of dreamsforgotten decided to pay it forward after I had to sell my Epic in order to help my family. He organized a benefit for me and my family. Because of the support of this community I was able to replace my phone. If you want to see just how AWESOME this community is READ some of the posts in this thread.
I also wanted to take a second and SHOW you guys the positives this community has created by working together. The impact you are having on my family is immeasurable.
I thought I would share this with ALL of you, since you helped to make this possible once again. Please keep in mind that Emmett is Autistic, will be 3 years old next month and until very recently was not able to use words. Something about working with this type of technology just makes things "click". This little app helps him with fine motor skills, object orientation/spacing, colors and language. Also it is helping to build his self-esteem and confidence as evidenced at the end of the clip.
It may not seem like a big deal to some but this is HUGE progress for us. I wanted to say thank you and show you the impact you all have made by working together.
Great News ! REAL Life means SO much more , especially to those of us who are parents ourselves and get to see the strides our kids make and the joy it gives them.
Rob, that's just bad ass man !!! seriously
I'm a father of 6 myself and it just makes my heart happy to see my children accomplish something and see how happy they are
I have always been of the belief that autistic children/people are EXTREMELY intelligent just misunderstood or they can't or don't know how to express themselves efficiently. (Hope that makes sense).. it's just really cool to see how your son is so focused on putting the puzzle pieces in place.. then the expression on his face when he completes the puzzle.. SWEET
Props to everyone that helped make this possible for you bro.
Personally I think all the BS and drama as of late is annoying and tiresome.. seeing something like this just makes it all vanish.. Children have a way of bringing out the best in people (well, most people LOL)...
you're doing a great job as a father Rob.. keep on keepin on man.. mad respect to you and those that made it possible
Good stuff man. That clip made my day.
Rob, in a way, it was you who started the change of tone in the Epic community by taking the time to release the 5.0 version of Midnight with a journal on version for those of us that were the "vocal minority" as well as the journal off version. What were there 4 versions? BYOR as well. All of that with as much as you have going on in your day to day life. You are one of the main people we should all be giving thanks to.
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Rob, in a way, it was you who started the change of tone in the Epic community by taking the time to release the 5.0 version of Midnight with a journal on version for those of us that were the "vocal minority" as well as the journal off version. What were there 4 versions? BYOR as well. All of that with as much as you have going on in your day to day life. You are one of the main people we should all be giving thanks to.
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Dude that video was awesome! I love watching my daughter figure stuff out and then seeing how happy she is when she does! You have brought a tear to this grown-ass mans eye You sir are a great father and role model!
That was a great video, thanks for sharing! I am sure you are very proud of him
This is great, your efforts amaze me, Rob. If only more people in this world were as caring and understanding as some of the people here on these forums.
I myself am young, but I've heard of a lot of hardships, and this is touching to say the least. I wish I could do more to help, but alas distance is sometimes a burden.
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When you have an Autistic child that you are told may NEVER speak and is significantly developmentally delayed, it's literally feels like your world just shatters like broken glass. So when you see things like this it becomes like a miracle. I wanted you guys to see how your support is being used.
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When you have an Autistic child that you are told may NEVER speak and is significantly developmentally delayed
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it may appear as though he's developmentally delayed man, but IMO he (and most likely you and everyone else in his life ) are searching for some creative methods with which he can express himself/communicate, and other ways with which to teach him that HE can understand and learn in his own way.... as humans, we all learn differently and people that have autism have their own unique way that they learn. Finding this way that works for them can sometimes be frustrating, but when things click.. it's most likely the most amazing feeling in the world
I was watching him in that video man and I can tell he's VERY smart. Kudos to you for thinking outside the box and finding ways that modern technology can help him express himself, communicate, and learn.. you're a great father man.. honestly.
I'm glad to be associated (albeit a distant one LOL) with someone like yourself.
And again, I'm super happy that the community has banded together in ways that can indirectly help out more than just you.. (to be read, helping your family as well).
The only autistic kid I've ever come across had a very good affinity for computers and how things were meant to be put together. Her name is Riley and she really loved to play minesweeper on the computer and she is actually really good. I love bringing my son over to play, cause they actually get a long great as long as he isn't on HER computer. LOL. Glad to see that you are using the Epic to help your son reach his greatest potential.
yes this community is awesome, tons of useful information.
Rob, you and your family will be in my heart the rest of my life, I will do anything in my power to spread the word, I'm actually working on something on my side to help...
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God bless!
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And clearly, we all love you
Great video rob!!! Btw emmett is cute and im glad we could help out!
Thanks for being so positive even tho the epic forum is going through drama and even tho u going through a hard time.
Btw that app looks like fun what is it called? I want to play lol!!
Awesome video Rob. He is very intelligent. Like everyone else said thank you Rob for everything that you have done. I will always do my best to help spread autism awareness where ever I may go. Thank you for the inspiration you have given me as a father. Btw what is that app called? My daughter would love to play it.
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This video was very inspiring. I thank you Rob for everything you've done as well and your little boy Emmett is adorable! I'm only 14, but believe me when I'm older, I still won't forget this, and the amazing things you have done for your children. It is people like you that make people want to have a reason to live, to wake up every morning. I love how you involved technology in your boy's daily life to make him happy. God bless you, sir.
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This video was very inspiring. I thank you Rob for everything you've done as well and your little boy Emmett is adorable! I'm only 14, but believe me when I'm older, I still won't forget this, and the amazing things you have done for your children. It is people like you that make people want to have a reason to live, to wake up every morning. I love how you involved technology in your boy's daily life to make him happy. God bless you, sir.
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For 14 you are quite well spoken. I'm very impressed. Thank you very much. It really means a lot.
Here's my two cents on the issue.
I'm not privvy to all the "behind-the-scenes" info, but I have seen some crap in my time here on XDA, which has solely been in the EPIC community.
Not relevant in all cases, but for instance when BThomas was still kickin' around with Viper, he almost threw in the towel on numerous occasions after anonymous dev\mods with influence or power got butt-hurt and tried to get his work banned. That kind of crap is no doubt one reason why some devs have disappeared, not to mention whatever happened with some of the ACS devs.
No doubt people get all crazed with their interwebz power, get jealous, and try to throw some weight around. Maybe that works in the workforce when people get a paycheck, but the last thing someone wants is for morons to start complaining about how your volunteered time is hurting their ego.
...maybe we need to front the $$$ for a whaaambulance, might clean few things up around here.
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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Its not for a thanks, its for credit.
And a "thanks" is the least you can do to give back.
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I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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To be sure, for every one of us that supports by money or time, there are those that choose to piss and moan.
But as was said above, being butt-hurt has little to do with receiving a thanks but the opposite when a thanks is deserved...and also going to silly measures to satisfy your jealousy/ego.
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thanks to the name of the phone all news regarding it is instantly over-sensationalized..
EPIC dev fallout sounds pretty.. uh.. epic
Yeah, it is rather punny =D
Nothing against you MeetFace.. But don't you think we have enough threads about devs. It seems like every week after one falls off the frontpage a new one is started. Adding another one in the General section isn't going to do anything but make more people coming to this forum just move else where. If the Devs get into it with each other we should let them sort it out and not get involved. Besides the Evo section has always been worse than ours..
If had noticed/felt that I was being redundant or "preaching to the choir", I would withheld my remarks.
I don't check the forums as often as I used to, and I check the general section even less, so forgive my lack of noticing what apparently may be a problem. I was merely responding to an issue that was raised in a closed thread, felt like there were some words that needed to be said.
If you think my comments are wrong or misplaced...then you are naive, because I speak of real situations. I won't go into any more detail, but I will say this:
If you can't man up an be civilized, then you should keep your mouth shut, and regardless of your contributions, whether they be developing or support, you are doing a major disservice to a "community" when you try to tear people down in public, instead of trying to build them up.
It's really simple. Adhere to the GPL and the XDA rules against advertising other sites that require registration to download custom ROMS.
A "donation" to obtain access to GPL or similarly licensed code violates the GPL (or the respective license) and will get your ass sued by the FSF. Thusly, linking to a site that violates the law will land XDA in trouble.
RMS would **** bricks over what some of the devs here have done.
I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.
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I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.
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Sorry, I wasn't replying to you. I just want to make it clear the reason why the mods/XDA has reacted to some devs the way they have. It's to cover their own asses from legal repercussions.
No hard feelings, just wanted to clarify that I wasn't implying the above was the case with those types of issues. Didn't mean to sound abrasive, gotta love voice-less text =]
But again, I do agree with, people should follow the rules, people should not take things so personally, and in and open source environment, people should get so selfish.
I fully agree with you. And the loss of emotion and everything else by using text-only is something that completely enrages me when I want to actually talk to my friends who live half-way around the world but they refuse to use webcams or even voice. I've just resorted to telling them to screw off unless they call or video-call me. Far too much meaning is lost otherwise and only causes trouble.
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I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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You're right. It is some of the members too. The members that bash people because they ask a noob question and feel that they are so far above the person that they have to put them down. There's bullying in this forum and to the point where I've almost stepped in and said something in defense of the person. That kind of **** has no place here, just like the other crap doesnt either.
You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D
I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.
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You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D
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Or add in a " " and make someones day! Lol
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I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.
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I'll have to admit, your appreciation of my usage of the phrase afforded me not a few audibly deep belly chuckles.
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I started a thread about this a while ago. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002595
I have a slightly different take on all of this. While I'm glad that most of today's issues are resolved these problems will arise again. This whole thing went down today because someone complained about pieces and parts of a developers ROM. Then I got dragged into this because I use the Bonsai kernel that I made NO changes to. Apparently all I had to do was post a link to the Bonsai source code and the problem went away. There are not a lot of us left here in the Epic forums for various and often times preventable reasons.
There is to much inconsistency with how these forums are moderated. Is impaler gone now? I mean it's like one day everything is ok and then the next day it's a problem. In all fairness to the mods they are over worked and simply not paid. Perhaps, xda should think about paying these guys a little something for their efforts. Perhaps XDA is growing to fast for it's own good. I mean in my opinion is quality over quantity.
My other issue is the in-fighting. We have people here that live to make drama and start flame wars. I'm not singling anyone out on this but it happens and a lot more often in the past few weeks. I don't know why we don't focus more on purging the forums of problem people rather then productive developers that choose to venture away from xda. We also need to be very careful about publicly accusing people of being in violation of a GPL. Falsely accusing someone of something should not be taken lightly. All it serves to do is misinform the community and cause confusion for the users as to what really happened. Not to mention the damage done to someones reputation.
XDA would be nothing without the developers and users that make it up. I realize that XDA makes the rules and are well within their rights to do so. But sometimes some of these rules need to be revisited from time to time to make sure they are applicable especially when a site is growing as rapidly as XDA is.
This place used to be an escape for me. Something I enjoyed participating in but anymore it serves to cause more stress then it helps to manage. If we want this community to survive we ALL need to think about how we carry ourselves here and what kind of behavior and attitude we deem acceptable. I'm very frustrated with the direction this is all going in and I have really tried to keep us going in the right direction. We all play a part in the negativity and we ALL NEED to play a part in making things better.
For the record, I thought today was handled pretty well as far as transparency goes. So Thank You.
Threads like this need to go away. Drama explaining the drama. Wish the mods would just delete any drama threads here.
I think in order to bring some decency to this community, perhaps a few things need to be in order;
1) Always thank the devs for their hard work.
2) Before posting any bugs/mishaps, take the time to search in case the problem was already posted and to see if a solution was reached. Also, I'm sure many dislike seeing the same problems being mentioned, when the answer to them is literally five posts up.
3) Be careful as to how we choose words, because this being the Internet, it can be rather difficult to tell how someone is coming off.
4) Under NO circumstances, bash another man's work. If you don't like it, then simply move on to another rom. No one benefits from negative criticism.
5) ALWAYS read the OP and abide by the instructions he/her has set. If not, then don't come crying about your phone messing up. Reading is crucial.
6) Developers from what I have seen, don't like to be asked for updates. Let's not forget that for many, developing is not a full time job, but only a hobby. With that being said, lets be contempt with what we have and let's be sensitive to the fact that we all have lives.
Now, I know some will say "who does this guy think he is?" I'm just someone trying to help. I may not be a senior member, but I've been around XDA enough to know what's what.
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Things like this shouldn't even need to be said, but thanks for helping to remind the people that seem to be "better" than the rest of us and not need to do these things. Hopefully this taken to heart, especially since now we're losing great developers.
I agree with whatsaqazza, I think this goes without saying, however, there are many how think that the devs work for them and feel free to complain about their work and demand fixing...
Yeah true "/ I just hope the ones that don't realize what they are doing, figure it out and learn to be a little more contempt. Also the fact that there's a thin line between reporting issues and bashing....a very thin line.
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It blows my mind on how "some" people treat Devs and other XDA members like garbage (it just take them for granted) when they are giving FREE advice / support.
The key word in the OP is "community". Sure XDA is not what it used to be, but with a little effort on correcting others from being a little out of line, it can still have that "community" feel and maybe less Devs will be less inclined to leave...
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Who's in charge of locking threads around here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1436052
I was trying to help my fellow Atrix users with a reboot problem, and now the thread is locked without any explanation.
So much for helping out... I guess you're all on your own.
Well said! The off topic crap u have to read through to get some info out of a thread is terrible on XDA. Some ppl I'm sure pick up their phone and login to xda without even knowing or understanding basic nettiquette principles. But then again many don't get out much and don't understand basic social principles! :-(
ccrows said:
It blows my mind on how "some" people treat Devs and other XDA members like garbage (it just take them for granted) when they are giving FREE advice / support.
The key word in the OP is "community". Sure XDA is not what it used to be, but with a little effort on correcting others from being a little out of line, it can still have that "community" feel and maybe less Devs will be less inclined to leave...
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