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Hi,
This is my first post here. I got my htc hero a couple days ago and I've spent most of that time tinkering with it. I'm generally loving it, although I prefer the original android home screen to htc's custom interface. I've noticed that some things like the phonebook are quite laggy, and am under the impression that android's stock phonebook would feel much snappier.
So I would like to install a stock cupcake or donut android to my phone. The thing is, I'm really new to this so I'm not even sure if it's possible. Can it be done? Has any of you guys done it? Even if I succeed, will I be able to use my phone to call and send messages, or will I need to do extra stuff? Can I backup everything in my phone, so that I'll be able to revert it if I break something or I decide that no, the sense ui was better after all?
You see that's a lot of questions, I really hope you guys can give me a hand with this.
Cheers!
After reading some other threads, I think I have some of my questions answered. But do you guys know if any of the stock android builds works with the hero? Can I install anything to it, apart from the system that came with the phone?
you can only install Hero builds on your phone! currently there are none as the phone just came out. So just be patient. If you think the UI is too laggy.. clear default home screen and use regular launcher..
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM. WARNING though, i dont think that has been done yet. reasons in include
WHY WHY WHY?
Hero has exchange support, basic flash support.
barryallott said:
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM.
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
frandavid100 said:
Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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And you would lose this 'awesome' keyboard!
Just turn off SenseUI. The rest of Android runs underneath.
Where are the default Calendar and Contact apps ?
I'm in exactly the same boat as frandavid100. I love the Hero's hardware, but most of SenseUI is too flashy; I don't care about most of the improvements (seven home screens, irritating widgets, lots of Facebook/Twitter/Flickr integration, exchange support) and I'd say some of them are worse than the alternative (the calendar doesn't show as much information in the month view; Flash in the browser just makes websites much, much slower and doesn't work for video).
On the other hand, apparently 1.5 is much faster, and 2.0 (on release) will have multitouch in Google Maps as well as in the browser, so I'd like to get running the stock Android operating system.
I don't know anything about cooking ROMs, though, so I'll wait for a kind benefactor. Hopefully it's not just frandavid100 and I who want a faster version of Android...
Glad to see I'm not alone.
Anyway, is there a way to test the stock android keyboard and phonebook? I kinda dig htc's keyboard, with its compact qwerty layout, but I hate the phonebook and I haven't found a decent alternative in the market.
+1
Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
phcollignon said:
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Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
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You already effectively have Cupcake on the Hero - firmware version is V1.5, which is a Cupcake build. If you just drop Sense UI, your back to almost a vanilla G1 build, which the exception you have HTC keyboards and apps as opposed to Google ones. Given that the hardware in the Hero is pretty similar to the Magic (at least those with 288mb RAM), there isn't exactly any additional "power" to harness either!
With respect to Donut, as far as I'm aware there are *no* operational Donut ROMs available for the G1, Magic, or Hero as yet.
Regards,
Dave
I do also prefer the clean fast Android interface over HTC's one, I know how to make the default home screen to be the Android one but touchflo keeps running in the backgroupd eating more than 30MB RAM and wondering if it is safe to uninstall this package and probably others too. In brief, disable the sense UI. It is maybe nice but at this point is slow compared to the Android interface
yeh, i would like to remove the touchflo altogether as it keeps running in the background even though i use the default home screen. Or at least have some sort of of startup manager to stop things running at boot.
must be out soon, there is some leaked screenshots here including the widget.
http://androidguys.com/?p=6260
OK - so the Her is already running Cupcake, but with SenseUI on top, and while you can disable some parts of SenseUI from running, you can't actually get rid of them.
In that case I think I'll wait and see what happens around Donut. If HTC release an updated Hero ROM, I'll go with that, and if they don't, I can wait for a generous ROM chef to bake a nice, basic Donut ROM for the Hero. Thanks for everyone's help.
You'll need to root your phone to do it:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
Me tooo
I would love to be able to 'downgrade' my Hero to the stock android.
At the very least, I'd love an easy way to install the stock android applications on top of the HTC ones, and hopefully uninstall the ones I don't use so as to save some application space.
I'm a little confused.
I have been experimenting with different ROM's for my 32A device, all based on the official HTC Sense release for Magic.
I have tried:
CaSense 1.0
MyHero 2.0.4
HoFo 3.0.5
I've been a long time MyHero user, and i have been very pleased with both performance and functionality. Switched to CaSense to try something new. It works very well too. Since I already wiped, I downloaded the third 32a ROM, this time the Official HoFo Community ROM.
Now I'm lost. In my opinion there are very few differences between the three. Which one should I choose?
I would probably get different answers from the different followers.
Does anybody know advantages/disadvantages of the different ROM's?
Is there an updated comparison chart of the different ROM's exist? (I know there is a 32B comparison chart, but not for 32A, and I don't know if any of there are updated, or even possible to keep updated due to the rapid development of new versions...)
Why are there so many similar ROM's available?
It seems that most (all) developers are working together to find solutions to issues, and most ROM's have the same functionality and faults in them. So why do we have so many options?
I would also like some input on this subject also
Hello all,
I've been lurking on the forum for a while now, and my 32A magic should be on its way now...
Information about different flavours of cooked roms for magic with Sense seems scarse so, to me, if anyone who knows better the differences between them and wants to share, I'd be more than happy to know =)
Cheers,
--to
Yep, I would like to know too!
The wiki for the Magic only list the firmwares. Would be nice to actually have some info on the benefits of the different types.
hello all
I have tried these ROMs except hofo
I think Casense1.0 is better than myhero2.04
but now i'm using CyannogenMod-4.2.2,it's much stabler than all option
you give.
I'm from China .my English is poor. sorry
I'm currently on CaSense 1.1 and find it very stable.
I also tried Magic GyD 2.0.3 and it is also good.
The HoFo ROM only had English and Chinese language installed, and I would like a ROM that supports Norwegian keyboard. So this is not for me.
I will give CyanogenMod 4.2.3.1 a try too, but I am still confused
Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
Are the ROM's just personal adjustments made to the developers liking, or do they include something unique?
I am using HoFo and I love it. It is extremly stable with little to no bugs and Hotweiss is very fast fixing any issues.
Using myHero after trying most of the other roms, reglasses seems to do a nice job on his cooks. But i have to admit i didn't care to give CaSense much of a chance cause it seemed like he put something together way to fast with to many issues just to be the first one releasing a rom based on the official TW magic rom with sense UI. Where i appreciate the developer taking his time to do some nice cooking and serve the good and more stable release.
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Most of the ROMs are very similar, and I can not understand what differences excists that can justify all the different versions.
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From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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Abso-freaken-lutely. That bugs the hell out of me.
hcadiz said:
From your signature, you have a CaSense 1.1 which you modified yourself. Why did you do it yourself? If you can answer that, then you have the answer to your question above.
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The modification consists of removing some applications I don't use (Twitter, Plurk, etc) and adding my own ringtones and wallpaper/lockscreen.
I would probably do this to any ROM I choose.
My point is, that it seems irrelevant which ROM I choose, they are basically the same, providing identical features, speed and functionality.
SpaceBoy2000 said:
Alright, I've sworn by hotweiss' HoFo ROMs for a long while, simply because it was just modified stock and he had the same device and provider as me. It's currently undergoing teething issues with the Sense UI. I would also like to know about the differences between all the Sense UI ROMs - I just don't have the time to load each one and tinker with it long enough to find their individual perks.
Judging by your post, I believe you want the nice flashy Sense UI. Keep in mind that Sense UI does significantly slow your phone down - WAY down. I installed Cyanogen's ROM the other day just to compare the difference. If you can live without flashy UI, go with Cyanogen. It's much faster and snappier, and really, the installation is pretty much a breeze anyways.
Advantages of Sense UI is that it looks pretty. That's pretty much it. Most of it's functionality can be found from other apps on the Market. You got a ****load of Twitter apps, Facebook app for the widget, SyncMyPix to get contact photos, etc etc. That said, I'm sort of addicted to the Sense UI interface right now myself. Oh, one more thing - Sense UI doesn't allow other apps to control the brightness (I believe it's an issue affecting all Sense UI ROMs). It's a pain in the ass, since I used to have my brightness auto adjust based on location and time. If that's something you want...go Cyanogen.
Oh, Cyanogen also has OTA updates. Hotweiss also posts up the link on Twitter. I do not know about the other ROMs though. This means that if you have a nice data plan, you can update your phone anywhere.
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I am very fond of the Sense UI. If I wasn't, I would give Cyanogen a try.
I don't use Twitter, Facebook or Plurk, and I usually remove the applications from the ROM.
And I have always thought the UI was snappy enough for me, so speed is not an issue.
I do not require a frequently updated ROM, but it is nice if issues are fixed as soon as possible. But since many (all) Hero ROM's have the same issues, I just thought the community would benefit from a joint effort of the developers to fix those, instead of the minor tweaking jobs they do now.
(No disrespect to the developers intended. I really appreciate the effort. I just want you to go in a different direction )
So, Im a winmo convert! I've been interested in Android since 1.5 but 2.2 is just unbeatable.
Few questions; and before I ask I do have a basic understanding of Linux, I use it as my primary OS on my computer.
1) I hear Froyo is out? Although I'm not sure what to believe but it seems like a late alpha/early beta?
2) Am I right in thinking that rooting gives you permission to the root file system? (Wow, that sounds stupid).
3) I can install apps not from the market right? Like WinMo, I could pick up a .cab and just throw it on?
4) When can we start seeings proper roms with Sense, optimizations etc....?
Many thanks, and when I get to grips with Android and the phone I hope to help the community!
Ooops. I put this in the wrong section! Mod move please? To General.
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So, Im a winmo convert! I've been interested in Android since 1.5 but 2.2 is just unbeatable.
Few questions; and before I ask I do have a basic understanding of Linux, I use it as my primary OS on my computer.
1) I hear Froyo is out? Although I'm not sure what to believe but it seems like a late alpha/early beta?
2) Am I right in thinking that rooting gives you permission to the root file system? (Wow, that sounds stupid).
3) I can install apps not from the market right? Like WinMo, I could pick up a .cab and just throw it on?
4) When can we start seeings proper roms with Sense, optimizations etc....?
Many thanks, and when I get to grips with Android and the phone I hope to help the community!
Ooops. I put this in the wrong section! Mod move please? To General.
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Hey,
That's good to hear that you are joining the SGS community.
Heres the answers:
1) Yes, a very early Froyo build JP2 was released today, it's quite buggy and not as stable as the latest Eclair JM2.
2) That's correct, rooting allows you to have full access to the system files.
3) Yeah, you can install apps not from market which usually end in .apk
4) Not too sure, we are already seeing optimized roms of the stock roms and themed ones but not complete changes, hopefully soon.
1) yes, alpha / beta, soon to be final
2) yes, full access after rooting
3) yes, piece of cake
4) there are many good ROMs out already, but none with Froyo, as it just came out a few days ago officially.
As for a ROM + HTC Sense it will depends which Developers wants to pick that up.
Personally i want to run HTC sense on my SGS as well, but now that i've found so many other 3rd party replacements, having HTC sense is not really necessary anymore, as there are apps that does a better job than sense. Just check the App section of the forum for the "must have" topic
khsbenny said:
So, Im a winmo convert! I've been interested in Android since 1.5 but 2.2 is just unbeatable.
Few questions; and before I ask I do have a basic understanding of Linux, I use it as my primary OS on my computer.
1) I hear Froyo is out? Although I'm not sure what to believe but it seems like a late alpha/early beta?
2) Am I right in thinking that rooting gives you permission to the root file system? (Wow, that sounds stupid).
3) I can install apps not from the market right? Like WinMo, I could pick up a .cab and just throw it on?
4) When can we start seeings proper roms with Sense, optimizations etc....?
Many thanks, and when I get to grips with Android and the phone I hope to help the community!
Ooops. I put this in the wrong section! Mod move please? To General.
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I got it today! I LOVE IT. It is a bit like WinMo in many respects but better!
I also love the barcode scanner what an innovative way to get apps!
Few more noob questions.
I now have FroYo JP3 build, but need to know:
A GOOD back program that will back up, sms, apps etc....
How to flash to FroYo, do I need to root?
Thank you so much! I'll be fine once I've to grips with it. I remember how nervous I was with my first WinMo flash!
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I got it today! I LOVE IT. It is a bit like WinMo in many respects but better!
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LOL exactly why i switched from my old HTC to SGS, Android is so amazing, the phone itself technically is even more amazing
i left WinMobile because it was just a bit too frustrating, and it got boring too, there was nothing new, it was always the same old same old.
most developers have moved over to the Android side, and now it's all new all over again, all the new toys and new software to play around with, simply fantastic
as for backup programs, try Titanium Backup, that seems to be the best one, it can backup everything, and restore everything
khsbenny said:
So, Im a winmo convert! I've been interested in Android since 1.5 but 2.2 is just unbeatable.
Few questions; and before I ask I do have a basic understanding of Linux, I use it as my primary OS on my computer.
1) I hear Froyo is out? Although I'm not sure what to believe but it seems like a late alpha/early beta?
2) Am I right in thinking that rooting gives you permission to the root file system? (Wow, that sounds stupid).
3) I can install apps not from the market right? Like WinMo, I could pick up a .cab and just throw it on?
4) When can we start seeings proper roms with Sense, optimizations etc....?
Many thanks, and when I get to grips with Android and the phone I hope to help the community!
Ooops. I put this in the wrong section! Mod move please? To General.
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well i am really sorry for you
sold my galaxy s and keep useing hd2
win mo is much more mature os
and trust me wp7 will beat everithing
but HD2 and other WinMob phones alikes can't do 3D as fast as SGS
i always wanted my phone to be a mobile entertainment center.
and i was never able to archive that goal for as long as i've been using WinMob
I had better joy when i was using PalmOS than using WinMob, but SGS + Android just bump up the bar by a lot, now i can do so much more on this phone, than i was never-able to with the old HTC running WinMob
I'm really sorry for you, mitko76 =) Galaxy S is better with Android then HD2 with WinMo. I am going to sell my HTC HD and keep going with Galaxy )))
Let it go out, WinMo 7, then we will talk about how bright it is. I've used WinMo devices since 2000 and Casio EM-500 PDA, more than 10 years ugh ))) But the system is really too out-dated and I wonder how MS could lost this market.
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
Wrong Section, good question though
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
Cm7 nightlies - no longer CM7 alpha
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
Definitely worth a flash to try yourself. I mean it's CyanogenMod so how could it not be good?
Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk
matkam said:
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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You would be very surprised at how extremely stable these roms are. I've been running them for a few weeks now and they're definitely stable enough to be your daily driver.
The main thing to consider is that Sense is a highly customized ROM while CyanogenMod is based on Pure Google with some additional configurations available.
Try it out, it's pretty easy to go back if you don't like it. For a while there I was nandroiding back and forth between Sense and CM6 about twice a week, lol.
CM7 some after thoughts
Continuing from my earlier post, I thought I would head off a few questions about observable differences in gingerbread - well the CM7 incarnation:
Android market loads and populates faster.
The wireless radio picks up signals/networks faster and connects gracefully and quickly.
All aspects of the functionality of the whole system and each individual app seems to be smoother and more efficient.
Youtube no longer has that annoying glitch coming out of landscape.
My new 16bg class 6 mini sdhc card finally works and no longer gives me the blank card or damaged card bull crap every time I unmount or remount from usb mode – didn’t expect that one and had resigned myself to going back to the stock 8gb card it shipped with.
The app drawer pops out at you in what seems like 3d while leaving the background wallpaper intact. – so the app drawer just floats while you scroll through it.
Every aspect of the device and systems are customizable – I mean everything – probably in part due to the efforts of the CM7 team.
The stock gingerbread phone dialer app is changed for the better and is obviously one of many enhancements including the ability to program your sip (voip) settings straight into the phone doing away with third party apps altogether to make or receive calls (if you’re into voip)
You’ll have to dig around to find the .apk for the stock car/navigation mode app and I solved that riddle by downloading the free android app(car home) from the market and also installing a third party app (car mode control) which is used to launch it – I’ve been lazy and haven’t investigated yet whether it’s actually necessary to have the go between, but it works.
and swype, if you want it, can be downloaded direct from the guys that developed it at the beta.swype page (wasn't allowed to post the link) - by simply registering to test the latest beta, which is better than in the stock MT4G rom.
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Didn't realize it had to be reported. I always assumed that because you're a mod you can do whatever the hell you want.
Well in your case just pick current RC fork from repository and use it normally you don't have to wait for the SR fork. Unless you are dev I don't see why you would want to flash it every night unless you understand basic and even in that case weekly might be fine. I been there done that as flashing new rom everyday as it came down the pipe I tried few CM7A few times let the dev do more work as ill make that my rom when SR is out, ATM have IGv1.1.6 as I flashed it this afternoon.
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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If you thought your phone was fast out of the box, this is faster. If you thought it was a bit laggy (like me), it's like getting a brand new phone.
Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Same for me. Such a smoother experience all around.
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I just flashed & I must say it is a much smoother expericence. I love it & its not even a stable build.
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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Is this your first Android phone? Have you ever played with a Pure Google Experience Android phone? If you're nervous about the CM7 builds, try CM6. Easier to flash since you don't need to manually flash the recovery and it will give you a feel for CyanogenMod and the Pure Android feel.
Think of the G2, that comes with plain Android right out of the box. Go to a T-mobile store and poke around with it to see if you like it.
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
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Where did you see a link for an official CM7 release for this phone?!?!
Q.Entity said:
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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You know that's how I felt when I bought the phone. I kept thinking about returning it for a G2 just to get plain Android. Ironically, by the time I finally rooted my phone and flashed CM6, Sense had grown on me to the point that I kept nandroiding back and using it by choice. Ha!
Now I've been on cm7 for a few days and I'm pretty happy with it.
CM7 official nightlies
I can't post a link out but the link to the CM7 builds is usually towards the top of the mytouch 4G Android Developement forum page.
It's constantly being updated and it looks like the latest build takes care of a number of little issues including swype, google car home and maybe the apps pack too
To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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Reboot for wifi to work.
BTW, CM7 is slick as an iced glacier.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
neuralboy said:
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
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This has got to be the biggest fanboism i've every heard on any forum. Gingerbread is not that different from FroYo. It looks the same it feels. it acts the same.
To the OP If you want to flash the most current baked variant of Android then by all means flash away. If not FroYo will serve your needs just fine.
Aaaah I hear you say, another one, it's about time, welcome to the dark side, etc etc... Yeah yeah I know, it's about time I went from WM6.5 to Android.
Reasons why I stayed with Windows ? I liked the sync between MsOutlook and my device using USB and NOT "the cloud". Sadly the new versions of Windows (7 and 8) don't allow this anymore so I reluctantly joined "the cloud" (Google Apps for Education, it's free).
Now, I am ready to switch to Android, but, ... which version ? which ROM ? how does it install ? straightfoward ?
Can anyone recommend a good ROM that :
- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
- is easy to install (go easy guys, I work, live and breathe Msoft, it's my job, yeah I know, but it pays the bills)
- is in English
- is up-to-date
- is free
Thanks very much.
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
Boags.
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
here's one that you could try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
or check out the links below if you want to even multi boot your phone
mengfei said:
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
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Thanks, I'm happy just formatting WM6, no dual boot.
It's not a Tmobile it was bought without a plan or anything so I'm pretty free in that regard.
Any suggestion for a "clean install" ROM ?
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
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AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
Nigeldg said:
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
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Right, no need to be rude, I'm sure you've never asked a previously answered question in your life...
Nigeldg said:
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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Thanks, I'll read all that material.
AthenaLod said:
AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
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Aah, thanks for that constructive input, I thought Sense was HTC's best stuff, I'll try your ROM and let you know.:good:
Boags.
If you want a rom you can customize visually, try MIUI. It has a tons of themes so you won't get bored easily, it even has an HTC sense theme. If not try one of the CM builds. Gingerbread roms are more stable but if you want the newer android features like Google Now and some new apps do require ICS+ go for one of the ICS or Jellybean builds. If i were you i'd just try a few roms before completely settling on one and installing all your data etc.
OKay thank you both for your help. I managed to install "Nexus JellyBean" on my HD2... It wasn't as straightforward as I'd hope (there are a lot of prerequisites to Android, it's not just next-next-next you're done but anyways).
So yeah it runs, everything works, but there's a bit "but". It's slow as hell. And I mean sluggishly slow. I've only connected to Gmail, Hotmail and Facebook. Nothing else. No GPS, no WiFi, nothing.
A test : on the main screen, open Gmail. Wait for four seconds for the emails to be displayed. Close Gmail (there is no "close" application in fact, once it's opened, it stays as an open process and runs in the background). Open "Internet" and wait for ten seconds for google.com to be opened (either on Wifi or on 3G). Go back to the main screen takes forever again, then open Gmail again, wait for another five seconds, etc etc etc.
Seriously, it's bloody awful.
So, maybe it's because the HD2 wasn't meant to run on Android and I'd be better off with WM65, or maybe this build of Android isn't the fastest I can find, but then, can anyone tell me what build I should be running ? There seems to be so freaking many available it's no wonder "noobs" like me ask silly questions "which is best"..
I just booted the HD2, went to Settings/Apps/RAM : 235used and 174free... And I haven't even started using any apps...
So far then, not convinced...
I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
Txs, i don't know, I thought I had it flashed under WM65 :
NexusHD2
Android 4.1.2
Baseband 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14
Kernel 2.6.32.tytung_jellybean_r1
CPU ARMv7
Mem 410mb
Cyanogen 10.0.0-leo
Build date 07/12/2012
Build nr JZ054K (NexusHD2-JellyBean v1.3a) [DataOnExt]
None of these mean much to me, I'm still learning
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I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
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1. He must have a .50 radio if he's successfully running NAND Android.
2. It unlocks 576MB of RAM, not 512.
@OP, Either go for GB or basically learn to live with it if you want the latest and greatest Android version. GB will be faster and more stable for daily use BUT won't have HWA so you won't have anywhere near as smooth an experience in web browsing and gaming. For your own sake don't go for a Sense ROM, they're just as 'slow' as JB or ICS. MIUI and CM7 are both great, I personally prefer CM but it's really down to your preference. Try them both then make a decision. CM has less eye candy and is far less iOS like but both are fast.
Okay thanks, slowly learning the "language"
Currently dowloading "Gingerbread" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060) and wiping "JellyBean"... (the guy who finds these names should get a job at the place where they name tropical cyclones:laugh
Keep you posted.
If you need any help with 'learning the language' check the guide in my sig which says 'A guide to all of the terms for the HD2'. It makes things pretty simple, and definitely helped me quite a lot the first time round.
So I "downgraded" from Jellybean to Gingerbread and though it's not superfast it's a lot better.
How can I tell my radio is the version that "unleashes" the max RAM ? I recall it was the latest available on WM65...
Any "tweaks" to make it faster ? A few apps often hang for a couple of seconds before they're available...
Still, it's a pretty cool platform I must agree, a shame Msoft never could be as good. Haven't seen the new WM though...
Thanks for all your help, and have a great 2013 !:good:
Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
Nigeldg said:
Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Sweet, so this is as best as it will ever get I suppose. Not a LOT slower than WM65 in reality, just a tad. Loads more potential tho, with the widgets and apps and stuff out there. I'll keep it simple anyways.
Still, you're probably the only person who, though a true Linux-Android fan, has publicly admitted Microsoft does it better, well in some occasions anyways : speed and stability is what most "professional" crowd need (a smartphone that does push-email, sync their contacts database and calendar with whatever server they're using, with the occasional websurfing, facebooking, tweeting or linkedin-ing).
Having worked with Msoft for over 15 years now, I had to try Android to at least understand what the fuss was all about, well I've seen it. I'll keep it for now, but I'm not convinced I won't switch back to WM one day.
I tried NeXTstep and BeOS once, loved them both as they were way ahead of their times, but sadly they could never been used as a professional tool. I think I can say the same for Android...
PS @Nigeldg, don't sweat it bro. No offence taken.
Yeah I think people often make the mistake of assuming that all fans of one thing simply hate the alternative, which often isn't true. Different things suit different people, I'd definitely recommend an iOS or Windows Phone to my Mum for example over an Android phone because they're more simple. I can only really respect someone's opinion when they know that there are always arguments for and against a certain point, if they don't then there's really very little valid input they can make in any discussion.
Also, I don't think you should really judge Android by your experience with the HD2, that would be like making a decision between a PS3 and an Xbox based on having played Viva Pinata on the Xbox and Killzone on the PS3. Android is a very nice OS and you really need the hardware to appreciate it. Having used Android on a GNex and a Nexus 4 (which I'm still waiting to order ) I can safely say it's now as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone if you get a decent phone.
Hi,
why don't you use WM6.x and Android on the same phone (via dualboot/tripleboot/...)? You can use the advantages of both OS and only need to wait 1 min. to boot the other one... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33988958
I use different Android-Versions, because no version can all I need... and I use WM, because I have some great payed apps... it's great...
Cheers Klaus
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda app-developers app
I don't want dual boot because I'm not looking for one solution, this exercise was just to test if a) I was able to do it, b) Android has what I need.
The answer is yes for the first questions (with help), but the second question has mixed results. Yes it runs, and yes I can do what I was doing on WM, but nothing more. Which leads me to my next question when I do decide to replace the HD2 by a new phone (because I need 4G and because I like new things, don't we all) : will I buy an Android or a Windows-based phone ?
My next challenge would be to test an iPhone