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Android: will it work on current devices ?

Hi !
Does anyone actually know if android can be installed / flashed on current devices ? Or it's only for certain devices that come with it preinstalled ?
Please don't post things like: "i would love it if it did" or "omg, android is great"...
I'm looking for an answer from someone who actually knows or someone who knows exactly how this stuff works...
Thanks
PS: Menneisyys, i hope you'll post something

I don't think that you'll be getting your answer any time soon as nobody has seen the thing yet.
But i would speculate that as HTC is one of the partners, it might be possible. HTC probably wont reinvent their phones again for the android.

Not a programmer...
but i was listening to leo laport yesterday and it seems that ggls world domination strategy would be all including. so it seems very likely that they would allow some version of it for use on other phones.
http://techguylabs.com/radio/ShowNotes/Show403#toc5

At this point, since there there is no release yet and nobody has/can play with it, it's probably hard to say. However, knowing Google, there is a good possibility they will come out with an app that allows you to use your current phone (speculation).

I heard that Android based on some Java-sintacsys - maybe it is good for us?

Well, the SDK has been released, get it here: http://code.google.com/android/. A demo video is available on the page to show you what it's capable of thus far--looks promising. I'm no coder, but I wish someone would develop this for current HTC devices. As an incentive, Google launched an Android Developer Challenge (http://code.google.com/android/adc.html), where developers of "innovative, useful apps" can win up to $275,000.

leetsauce said:
Well, the SDK has been released, get it here: http://code.google.com/android/. A demo video is available on the page to show you what it's capable of thus far--looks promising. I'm no coder, but I wish someone would develop this for current HTC devices. As an incentive, Google launched an Android Developer Challenge (http://code.google.com/android/adc.html), where developers of "innovative, useful apps" can win up to $275,000.
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I grabbed the SDk and got a basic hello world up and running. From what the video said and what I can glean from various sites. The Android OS is designed to run on existing hardware. I would imagine that includes HTC machines. Its a complete OS though not an app so I would imagine you have to blow away WM6 and put android on in order to take advantage of its functionality. The actual coding appears to be extremely easy.

I can see google or the community releasing a "shell" of Android.
The more people with it the more money for them. If you watched the video they are really trying to push the location based services from GPS, cell towers, IP address... can anyone say more cash for ads.
I wouldn't mind having it on WM and its open source so there a good chance we will see it.

Alpine would be perfect for Android
Alpine would be a perfect phone if recycled with android !!
Good processor, lots of mem and a big screen for touch sensasions!!
Is it a dream or could that become reality?

Is Android compatible with HTC Touch-style hardware or does it require the numberpad?

There is a linux-2.6.23-android-m3-rc20.tar.gz kernel file on the android google code project site, there is also ADB utility - Android Debug Bridge (comes with SDK), it has an option of flashing a device (over usb) or an emulator (which is also included in the package)...the question is how to compile that kernel and make it run on our HTCs, and what kindof boot loader does it require? Maybe guys from Xanadux know better
It's also interesting how JAVA is being used after becoming open source, it appears that android is mostly independent from the JAVA API, the only relevance I found was only basic stuff like java.util, java.io and etc (included in the android.jar)...

i think that android will work on htc devices because pretty much they are the ones that will be releasing the first devices preloaded with android and i think that white device was made from htc. I see a potential here so i ask some one to make a thread on porting android to any or a specific device. good luck and may the force be with you.
ps. i hope its a htc wizard

I'd say we'd be waiting to see the HDK come out before we can put it on our own devices, can't wait though.

A dream
The Android SDK includes an emulator, see here http://www.ohadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15
Quote: "It seems that the main binary is emulator; this includes a qemu-0.8.2, which runs (in system mode) the ARM kernel image at lib/images/kernel-qemu.
Two more images are mounted from lib/images : the system.img (which appears to be the rootfs, and userdata.img, which gets replicated (and mounted from there) at $HOME/.android/userdata.img."
This guy (http://mamaich.uni.cc/fr_pocket.htm) got Qemu compiled for ARM, buggy/crashing, no visible update for several years, see also here http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...e_to_running_ms_dos_8_12&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Question: Anyone have any more recent news/experiences about Qemu on ARM/HTC?
So, theoretically one could try running the Android Kernel image from the SDK emulator on Qemu on PocketPC.
Even if it works (highly unlikely), this megasandwich AndroidImage->Qemu->PocketPC would probably be fantastically slow, with dodgy/absent I/O support.
Real solution is to wait for a modifyable Kernel which can run natively on the HTC ARM processor.

Did not someone from google mentioned at the day of the release that android will run on any ARM9 based device?

dirac said:
Real solution is to wait for a modifyable Kernel which can run natively on the HTC ARM processor.
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There is no such thing as "HTC ARM processor". All major ARM-based CPUs
are supported by Linux, it's the device drivers for external hardware that are
often missing because of the missing documentation.

cr2 said:
There is no such thing as "HTC ARM processor". All major ARM-based CPUs
are supported by Linux, it's the device drivers for external hardware that are
often missing because of the missing documentation.
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Im sure that HTC will release drivers for all their devices since they are partners in the Open Handset Alliance..

prodinho said:
Im sure that HTC will release drivers for all their devices since they are partners in the Open Handset Alliance..
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There are some doubts that the (future) drivers will be released as free software, and not some binary blobs like nvidia, ati and m-systems did it in the past.
Binary linux kernel drivers are evil

Blue Stacks Beta Is Available.

Hey Guys
The beta of blue stacks in now available. Now u can run Android app on windows Downloading on CP now. Will post later how it is

I would not install it, caused me to get bluescreens after reboot

I have just installed it, played angry bird space and it works fine for me.

1/2asleep said:
I have just installed it, played angry bird space and it works fine for me.
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On Windows 8?
I can't get BlueStacks to run in Windows 8 at all. Every time I run the installer I get a blue screen with a frown face saying that something went wrong and Windows needs to restart. I have been testing the private beta build on Windows 7 though and it is definitely fun and useful

After Few blue screen restarts it worked. Uninstalled it because it not what i expected to be. I cant run any app in full screen. I run in only a portion and i cant use gmail and angry birds because of some high performance driver issue. The alpha version before this was better.

At the moment, this is so bad

Thanks for the heads up! Going to try this.

I really wanted to try it on my Windows 8 netbook but the Thinstaller executable they gave me refused to install because my it claimed my graphics performance would be under the minimum recommended requirement. It was rather sad since the Alpha worked fine and even running the same version of Android they base their rootfs images off of (Android-x86) as a addition to my Linux dual-boot.

buggatti said:
After Few blue screen restarts it worked. Uninstalled it because it not what i expected to be. I cant run any app in full screen. I run in only a portion and i cant use gmail and angry birds because of some high performance driver issue. The alpha version before this was better.
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Windows 8? I tried as many as 8 blue screen restarts so far. No luck. Still keeps crashing my system into the BSOD. Did alpha work on Windows 8 CP x64?

I was part of the closed beta 1 test and have been in email communication with Bluestacks development and they informed me that they do not have a beta ready for Windows 8 because it is still changing. It sounds like the focus is on Windows 7 for now.

Pls provide download links.....
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Pls provide download links.....
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http://bluestacks.com/

nobody wants this cancer on their computers

Be on the lookout for this (when or if) it comes out
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33377_1-57355786/bluestacks-goes-metro-with-windows-8/

o2neouzr said:
nobody wants this cancer on their computers
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Indeed, Bluestacks should be avoided. They have no support forums (personal top gripe) and have made it quite clear they plan to try to make a quick buck leveraging VirtualBox and Android x86 while not giving anything back.
As best I can tell, they have just added an OpenGL pass through driver to Android x86 when running on VB as well as started to recompile some apps which use the ARM NDK to the x86 NDK. Far better to have the Android x86 community work on an automated NDK conversion and their own driver implementation than be shackled.
Also, their TOS lets them abuse your facebook page in new and interesting ways as well as do some serious data mining without any form of opt-out or transparency.

There are support forums:
https://getsatisfaction.com/bstk
BlueStacks even went as far as supplying a link on how to root and install gapps. I wouldn't say there is a lack of support. BlueStacks in my opinion also runs faster than x86 on a virtual machine.

aaronb1138 said:
Indeed, Bluestacks should be avoided. They have no support forums (personal top gripe) and have made it quite clear they plan to try to make a quick buck leveraging VirtualBox and Android x86 while not giving anything back.
As best I can tell, they have just added an OpenGL pass through driver to Android x86 when running on VB as well as started to recompile some apps which use the ARM NDK to the x86 NDK. Far better to have the Android x86 community work on an automated NDK conversion and their own driver implementation than be shackled.
Also, their TOS lets them abuse your facebook page in new and interesting ways as well as do some serious data mining without any form of opt-out or transparency.
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Virtualbox and android are licensed under GPLv2/CDDL and apache respectively. Android specifically is exactly the same as stock device roms, they're under no obilgation to return code to upstream. (though every large project like this should return code, but bar the kernel they dont have to for the android portion).
virtualbox, i'm guessing they're using CDDL for it if they're not returning code.
Tell oracle (or whoever is developing it) and the android x86 teams to not release their sources under free software licenses that arnt also copyleft then.
At least with androidx86 I believe that they're free to migrate from apache -> gplv3 (according to wikipedia I dont believe gplv2 is applicable without relicensing?). But they didnt, they're still apache, which means they full well know that they can be forked and not have code returned.
Those two points are pretty much universally expected for android devices. Samsung and HTC are good enough that they provide mode then the minimal GPL modules, but they're closer to the exception then the norm. There's plenty of very low end (but inexpensive) ICS tabs being hawked on our own market. I cant really see them giving more then the bare minimum (even if that) much less providing any updates at all. They're just as much making a quick buck by only offering updates by buying a new model.
They've havnt required facebook since 0.5.0.2002, which I believe was their first public release. It was merely the cloud client that required it. You can easily use the alphas and betas without even having a facebook acct. I cant speak on how they are about people that actually opt-ed in to attachign their FB accts, but I dont have one period.
Perhaps their cloud sync isnt respecting your privacy as it should, because you right about that part. Bstacks doesnt have a clear privacy policy (or any at all on their site currently)
They're not the only ones using getsatisfaction, which acts as their support point. I cant say that I like it, but it's there. They've added a couple suggestions due to it, but it's not a forum.
Realistically, how long do you have to wait for androidx86 to be bundled in a way that lets you run it in a vm, have fair virtualization/emulation, and is stable? (though bstacks is still beta, and androidx86 is 'rc1') Androidx86 is targeting bare metal, bstacks isnt. Perhaps androidx86 actually runs perfectly well under a vm and also supports some level of hardware passthough too. Their site has instructions for using the eeepc froyo iso on virtualbox. But they obviously dont officially support virtualbox or qemu as they dont provide direct images, they merely happen to work/boot on them.
Androidx86 has 5 different isos targeting 5 different platforms, and none of them match my devices (or any of my vms explicitly). Bstacks explicitly supports vista/7 and implicitly is going to support xp/8 in the future.
I'd much rather have something working now that targets my interests then wait for something that might be more sustainable but isnt targeting me.
It's much like how xda has moto droid forums, really you shouldnt be supporting moto at least when it comes to their locked down bootloaders.
But we're not telling people to buy a different device, we give them workarounds and guides.
Finally, all bstacks is is just an opengl passthough, why has noone else done it already?
I dont expect that androidx86 on virtualbox integrates as well otherwise it'd already be huge news.
I want a virtualized android so my convertable laptop can double as a really high end android tablet, and that's what bstacks will eventually offer.
(if and when they migrate from 2.3.4 to 4.0.x)
If there's any errors, feel free to correct me. I'm rather unsure about how correct I am on the virtualbox parts.
Edit: after trying androidx86 2.3/3.2/4.0 it's fairly useless as a android tablet replacement. They dont support VM integration, and that's pretty much a requirement if you intend to use it to compliment your OS (vs merely being a utility on your os).
4.0 doesnt even work on vb with vb 4.1.8, it cant reach the home screen.
Dont take this as criticism of androidx86 though, they're always going to be undermanned and underfunded. And like previously mentioned VB isnt even a tier 1 target for them.
But realistically, there's no current alternative to bstacks for windows. Seriously suggesting androidx86 + virtualbox right now is like saying to trade for a transformer to someone asking how to install CM9 on the touchpad

moved to general - not dev

Ubuntu Phone OS

So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.

phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible

I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014

Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.

Yes and simply
Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information

leclercqsteeven said:
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.

CSharpHeaven said:
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014

The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.

absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:

I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out

Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.

Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)

This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/

Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!

While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.

Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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Maybe someone can shed some light on this?

After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
Sent from a galaxy far far away.

luc.highwalker said:
After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
Sent from a galaxy far far away.
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I think for most users, they may not find value in this yet (until more apps are available and/or cheaper phones come out), but for those familiar with linux it will make a lot of sense.
I have been a linux developer for 3 years now (as a full time job) and I am just imagining all the cool stuff I can do with this device (at home and at work).
For one thing, you will likely be able to develop (native) apps on the phone itself instead of having to have a separate computer to do it. It might even be possible to develop Android apps!
It's basically a PC in your pocket so the apps will not be as limited as Android and iOS apps. There is still software out there that is not available on Android and iOS because those systems are designed for phones and tablets and don't fully support a desktop style interface. The appeal to an Ubuntu phone is that it can function as both, and you can develop software that will be interchangeable as both.

Thanks for your reply.
I'm not a developer (yet) so I can't say much on the subject. But I do know that you can develop apps directly on an Android device. There's even a Linux terminal Window.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what people can make out of the phone. till then, I'll just stick to my beloved android
Sent from a galaxy far far away.

If you love linux, this *could* be a game changer if it's done right. As BukaKing mentioned, the ability to run native apps on the OS is a huge plus, as you would then be able to make the most of the hardware presented rather than utilising a java engine.
Customisation I am assuming will also be a huge factor - Ubuntu Desktop can be so heavily customised, to function exactly how you want it to, so I am *assuming* that Ubuntu for Phones will be similar. So, just because the OS behaves a particular way on those video's circulating, does not necessarily mean that is how it is destined to remain. Once it's out there in the wild, I would even assume people unhappy with the lack of soft buttons may find them re-appear, as gnome/unity has the ability to create custom panels.
The oportunities I think this OS presents to smartphones is amazing, but in the end it comes down to 2 things for me. Will it be completely open source? If yes, then there could be a bunch of forks/derivitives explode around the webs where teams have customised the OS the way they want it. Developing for it would be far easier, so i'd expect if popularity gets high enough, apps will appear from everywhere. And, implimentation - will it be as easy for a non-linux user to pick up and use, as it will be for a linux user? Hopefully, that answer is yes too.

According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.

onlychevys said:
According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.
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Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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batman38102 said:
Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app.. the native apps are made with C++ not java ... You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
If canonical would have chosen soft float instead of hard float then it would have worked, but it will be freaking slow and laggy..
Getting JB on that device is something else, it and android apps are running of a virtual machine .. That is the good thing about managed code and virtual machines and the reason sun Microsystems invented java in the first place ...
QML and c++ is not running off a virtual machine.. Its 100% native ...
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I'm wondering if native C++ Apps will not only be more efficient than Java on Android but if Ubuntu can take more advantage of multi-core systems than Android does. At least I have heared that Android isn't that optimized for multi-core phones.

jscurtu said:
:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app..
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Why does it have to be him that has to do that, some one else could do it and provide an image.
the native apps are made with C++ not java ...
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Yeah, who ever heard of making native apps in java!
The Ubuntu Phone OS equivalent to java will be HTML5.
You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
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You go from saying "No.. it won't work" to saying "You may be able to get a running build", nice!
And what proprietary apps are there right now? The only apps that I have seen are either HTML5 or the one native app (the gallery app) that Canonical made which will be open source and can be rebuilt for any device.
Also this same problem exists for Android native app (android has a lot of them), the developers have to build binaries for the different Android devices. So you can port Android to an x86 device but you will not be able to run a lot of games unless they include binaries that support it. Games built with Unity 3D are native apps, games built on Adobe Flash/Air are native apps. Native apps *can be* more efficient in performance, memory and battery than Java apps. Also C++ in the case of mobile devices is more cross platform than Java, since it can be used on both iOS and Android, and the libraries in Android Java are not available on other platforms with Java.
QML itself is not technically native, it depends on how it is used. QML is a mix of objects/widgets and javascript (similar to HTML5), but native C++ code can access QML objects/widgets through Qt.
But that said, if Canonical doesn't officially support a device I would steer clear of updates. I just spent the weekend trying to update my HP Envy from Ubuntu 10.10 to 12.10 and I had a ton of problems, and while it works now, my USB is disabled for some reason (even though internal USB devices work). This isn't the first time this has happened to me with Ubuntu updates.
I wouldn't worry about it for the Galaxy Nexus since it is an officially supported device, but for devices that are ported too by some one else, I would avoid updates coming from Canonical.

Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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getrdy said:
Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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ARM != x86 .....

blackout23 said:
ARM != x86 .....
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What about those x86 based phones?
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Lesicnik1 said:
What about those x86 based phones?
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The smartphone GPU drivers and chips probably don't support OpenGL 3.0 like Steam games require.
Smartphones never had full blown OpenGL only OpenGLES (Embedded System).
Desktop PCs are still waaay more powerful than any smartphone. Any cheap Celeron CPU for 40 bucks will obliterate your Intel Atom powered smartphone.

How to add a new governor to stock rom kindle fire hd

I want to know if it is possible and how to make this. Because some people add other governors to their device stock rom
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If im not mistaken the governors are built into the kernel, and we cant flash a modified kernel yet
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persano said:
I want to know if it is possible and how to make this. Because some people add other governors to their device stock rom
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persano,
Yes Governors are a function of the Linux Kernel, it can not be done to the factory boot.img due to the constraints with the current Kernel. We will be launching a Ubuntu custom ROM for the Kindle in a few weeks, maybe a couple of Months, it really depends on how busy we are with the XDA topic.
Here is what you would do to build and pack a Kernel:
How To Build Kernel Step 1: Make sure you are running Linux, or else it won't work. So the current Kindle Kernel is out.
How To Build Kernel Step 2: Download the source code from either source.android.com, sonymobile.com (for a stock kernel), kernel.org or FXP github for FXP Kernel.
How To Build Kernel Step 3: unpack the source code from one of the above sources
How To Build Kernel Step 4: make changes to the source code you want to (i.e. adding in governors or io schedulers) - example here
How To Build Kernel Step 5: Build the source (note: the defconfig is probably different you'll have to check the /arch/arm/config folder to figure out which ones is the FXP one...) - Example here
How To Build Kernel Step 6: Make it into a boot img as noted here: Sony Developer Site
How To Build Kernel Step 7: Try booting, if it works, check to make sure that the changes you made sticked. If it doesn't boot, well, you can ask questions in this thread or send us a PM, we do this almost daily.
There are many "tricks of the trade" that we would love to share with you. First attempt to build and pack your own, then when you have issues let us know.:good:
Our new software will automate much of the above process, this feature is due to be added Mid march of 2013. Most of our ROM's will be Ubuntu based.

prokennexusa said:
persano,
Yes Governors are a function of the Linux Kernel, it can not be done to the factory boot.img due to the constraints with the current Kernel. We will be launching a Ubuntu custom ROM for the Kindle in a few weeks, maybe a couple of Months, it really depends on how busy we are with the XDA topic.
Here is what you would do to build and pack a Kernel:
How To Build Kernel Step 1: Make sure you are running Linux, or else it won't work. So the current Kindle Kernel is out.
How To Build Kernel Step 2: Download the source code from either source.android.com, sonymobile.com (for a stock kernel), kernel.org or FXP github for FXP Kernel.
How To Build Kernel Step 3: unpack the source code from one of the above sources
How To Build Kernel Step 4: make changes to the source code you want to (i.e. adding in governors or io schedulers) - example here
How To Build Kernel Step 5: Build the source (note: the defconfig is probably different you'll have to check the /arch/arm/config folder to figure out which ones is the FXP one...) - Example here
How To Build Kernel Step 6: Make it into a boot img as noted here: Sony Developer Site
How To Build Kernel Step 7: Try booting, if it works, check to make sure that the changes you made sticked. If it doesn't boot, well, you can ask questions in this thread or send us a PM, we do this almost daily.
There are many "tricks of the trade" that we would love to share with you. First attempt to build and pack your own, then when you have issues let us know.:good:
Our new software will automate much of the above process, this feature is due to be added Mid march of 2013. Most of our ROM's will be Ubuntu based.
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Android rom or ubuntu rom?
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persano said:
Android rom or ubuntu rom?
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persano,
To be exact, it will be Ubuntu for Android and Ubuntu. There are two versions, one is pure Ubuntu, the other is Ubuntu for Android - we will be building both platforms. The overall idea is to eliminate the old desktop PC. So when you are out in the Field you would take your phone or Tablet with you and when you come home you would Dock it and use it as your primary PC with external monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and a full array of supported peripherals.
What is Ubuntu for Android?
How would you like a PC that fits in your pocket? For the lowdown on Ubuntu for Android, in terms your grandma could understand, watch this short video. And for news on Ubuntu for Android products, watch user Prokennexusa Posts .
The full PC desktop for multi-core Android phones
Now multi-core Android phones can be PCs too. Ubuntu for Android enables high-end Android handsets to run Ubuntu, the world’s favorite free PC desktop operating system. So users get the Android they know on the move, but when they connect their phone to a monitor, mouse and keyboard, it becomes a PC.
Easy to integrate to your Android phone
Ubuntu for Android drops in cleanly alongside the rest of Android, so it is easy to integrate into current production roadmaps. The hardware requirements are straightforward and, with a broad range of ARM and x86 hardware supported, it can realistically be added to phones already in development.
Of course, your phone needs the docking capability and hardware support for HDMI and USB. But that’s standard for high-end models in the current generation of devices in development.
Why add anything to Android?
Android is a mobile solution, designed for a touch interface on a handheld device. On the desktop, where users expect a pointer-driven experience, a PC operating system is essential. Several vendors have tried to bring Android-based desktops or laptops to market, with no success; Android was designed for touch only, and has its hands full winning the tablet wars.
A complete desktop solution needs a full range of desktop applications. While a mobile OS carries no deep desktop software catalog, Ubuntu offers thousands of applications, all designed for the desktop and most, like Ubuntu, free. And Ubuntu is certified by governments, industry and enterprises, widely deployed on the desktop, and supported by leading management solutions.
Another alternative would be a web-top, or web only desktop. But markets have not responded to web-only environments. The desktop is a high-productivity mode, not a media consumption mode or a browsing mode. That’s why we’ve brought the full power of a native desktop to this solution.
More to come.....
We were just added as one of Ubuntu Developers so the door has opened up! The app ecosystem is much more versatile than Android variants. You can run any Android App on Ubuntu, Windows Apps and the full array of Ubuntu Apps.
Here is a nice YouTube Video Explaining the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iv1Z7bf4jXY

prokennexusa said:
persano,
To be exact, it will be Ubuntu for Android and Ubuntu. There are two versions, one is pure Ubuntu, the other is Ubuntu for Android - we will be building both platforms. The overall idea is to eliminate the old desktop PC. So when you are out in the Field you would take your phone or Tablet with you and when you come home you would Dock it and use it as your primary PC with external monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer and a full array of supported peripherals.
What is Ubuntu for Android?
How would you like a PC that fits in your pocket? For the lowdown on Ubuntu for Android, in terms your grandma could understand, watch this short video. And for news on Ubuntu for Android products, watch user Prokennexusa Posts .
The full PC desktop for multi-core Android phones
Now multi-core Android phones can be PCs too. Ubuntu for Android enables high-end Android handsets to run Ubuntu, the world’s favorite free PC desktop operating system. So users get the Android they know on the move, but when they connect their phone to a monitor, mouse and keyboard, it becomes a PC.
Easy to integrate to your Android phone
Ubuntu for Android drops in cleanly alongside the rest of Android, so it is easy to integrate into current production roadmaps. The hardware requirements are straightforward and, with a broad range of ARM and x86 hardware supported, it can realistically be added to phones already in development.
Of course, your phone needs the docking capability and hardware support for HDMI and USB. But that’s standard for high-end models in the current generation of devices in development.
Why add anything to Android?
Android is a mobile solution, designed for a touch interface on a handheld device. On the desktop, where users expect a pointer-driven experience, a PC operating system is essential. Several vendors have tried to bring Android-based desktops or laptops to market, with no success; Android was designed for touch only, and has its hands full winning the tablet wars.
A complete desktop solution needs a full range of desktop applications. While a mobile OS carries no deep desktop software catalog, Ubuntu offers thousands of applications, all designed for the desktop and most, like Ubuntu, free. And Ubuntu is certified by governments, industry and enterprises, widely deployed on the desktop, and supported by leading management solutions.
Another alternative would be a web-top, or web only desktop. But markets have not responded to web-only environments. The desktop is a high-productivity mode, not a media consumption mode or a browsing mode. That’s why we’ve brought the full power of a native desktop to this solution.
More to come.....
We were just added as one of Ubuntu Developers so the door has opened up! The app ecosystem is much more versatile than Android variants. You can run any Android App on Ubuntu, Windows Apps and the full array of Ubuntu Apps
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This deserves multi thumbs up!!!:good::good: This sounds great! Please keep up your great work and dedication!

Kindle Fire HD and 2 - Ubuntu Linux
lacoursiere18 said:
This deserves multi thumbs up!!!:good::good: This sounds great! Please keep up your great work and dedication!
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lacoursiere18,
We will be doing an official post when Ubuntu sends us the Ad shots and personalized goodies we can share with everyone in XDA. This has been a joint venture that we have been working hard to make reality. Finally, the idea was launched at CES, now it is time to make everything reality.
We will have an official release post in a couple of weeks.

Hi Chris,
i'm a bit excited now, because I'm looking forward to the development which is going on there ...
Are you talking about bringing "ubuntu for phones" and "ubuntu for android" with all the benefits and features as announced on ubuntu.com to the kindle fire hd soon? I heard Mark Shuttleworth saying he is expecting to see ubuntu on phones in Q4/2103-Q1/2014.
How much of that development is in that coming ubuntu? Is there any more or less official collaboration with canonical or s.th. like that?
Thanks in advanvce
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Ubuntu for Android on Kindle Fire HD
freaksworth said:
Hi Chris,
i'm a bit excited now, because I'm looking forward to the development which is going on there ...
Are you talking about bringing "ubuntu for phones" and "ubuntu for android" with all the benefits and features as announced on ubuntu.com to the kindle fire hd soon? I heard saying he is expecting to see ubuntu on phones in Q4/2103-Q1/2014.
How much of that development is in that coming ubuntu? Is there any more or less official collaboration with canonical or s.th. like that?
Thanks in advanvce
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freaksworth,
Initially we will be offering Ubuntu for Android. We are an acknowledged developer with Canonical and are developing Apps for Ubuntu for Android, although all of the Google Apps will work natively under Ubuntu for Android. You will have the several ten of thousands of Apps already available for Ubuntu on top of the Google Play options. How much development is happening with Ubuntu? A large amount, we alone spend 4 to 6 hours daily developing new apps for Ubuntu. Yes, we are working directly with Canonical on both the development aspect of Ubuntu and the promotion part of the new idea. This has been in discussion for over 2 years, as of CES it became reality. We are working to build a custom ROM for the Kindle, time-line is hard to nail down at the moment and it is not due to the Compiling part of the ROM it has to do with the constraints we are under with Canonical directly.
There are several aspects of Ubuntu that we can not even discuss at the moment, all I can say, is that we have an exciting future ahead of us and the desktop PC will disappear as we know it in the next three to four years, you can mark my words.
Yes, the release of the OEM Ubuntu Phone are really not going to happen until Q1 of 2014, Q4 of 2013 is a dream, but not very realistic. If they deploy the idea too early, the idea will fall on it's face. The idea has to be deployed in a highly methodical fashion. The first part is what we are doing, getting everyone excited - you should be excited, this is an awesome platform!
I will post an official release when Canonical approves us to do so, more to come.............