i know people are going to hate me for this thread.... but it is really important to me to be able to text from my phone in places where i have no service but am able to connect to wifi.... so is it at all possible to do UMA or is it actually a hardware limitation???
...please dont hate me lols.
I don't know what the heck UMA is, I Googled it up with "xda" tag ..
Found this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904575
Which lead me to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843433&page=6
Which is WiFi Calling,
lols, well uma is actually not the same as wifi calling, like i had it on my crackberry, and it would replace my service completely if i were on wifi, but with the wifi calling thing only lets you place calls and not sms over wifi.... lols, oh well, UMA probably isnt possible anyway.
If you have Google Voice - not the "call phone from gmail" version, the full fledged one with a phone number, you can send text messages over wifi.
It is right now only available in the US, but if you know how to find it, you can activate Google Voice from elsewhere too
UMA is alive and well on the HD2. I have the same situation you do at work with very bad signal but it doesn't matter. Voice and text is flawless.
A word of warning, though - we have 5 HD2's in our family that are configured exactly the same. Of the 5, 3 work without any problem at all with UMA calling and texting and the other two have this strange freezing problem. No idea why they are different because they shouldn't be.
Anyway, the thread with the app is here.
All credit goes to Tytung for his incredible work.
Also, if you're familiar with the original HotSpot @ Home calling, this does not support warm handoffs between cell tower and wifi signal and vice versa.
Hope this is what you were looking for.
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I've been trying to search for a solution to this, and haven't found anything yet on this topic. I keep seeing SIP and programs that require you to connect to a VoIP server, but I am not sure if this will accomplish the same goal. Basically I like how the Blackberry UMA technology connects via WiFi from overseas, and lets you make calls back to the US using your regular plan minutes with no long distance charges. Is there any way to do the same thing on the HD2 (US version)? I know the antenna's are not the same technology.
There is also an option for internet calling when you go to Settings Tab>Menu>All Settings>Personal>Phone>Internet. It reads:
Internet Calling
To set the calling network for your next call, select Internet Calling on the Home Screen.
Does this even do anything?
I too would be very interested in something like this as my reception at my home - inside or out - is very weak.
I have tried several different radios as well, but I'm not having any luck.
Ditto.. I could totally use this feature. Does anyone know if you must have hardware that supports it or is it just software that runs on the phone ?
As far as I know both the hardware and software must support UMA in order for it to work. For instance, I could use UMA calling on my Shadow 2009, but could'nt on my Shadow 2007, even though they ran the same build of WinMo. From what I understand UMA has to be built into the WiFi chip in order for it to work.
I have truphone, witch works great, but only for outgoing calls. I need something that works through wifi that I can get incoming calls as well as outgoing. This is the one and only thing that makes me miss my blackberry. If I wasn't merely 9 months into my 2 year contract I could afford the mytouch 4g or the G2 and enjoy uma, but I don't have 500 plus dollars for yet another new phone. Trust me I'd love a new Mytouch 4G but it's at least another year until I can get one. I know this is off topic but does anyone have any hands on knowledge about the signal boosters they sell online? what ones work? cuz I get like 1 bar in my house and it comes and goes but soon as i'm 3 doors up I have 5 bars and 3g. So I definitely need something.
I was searching for just the same thing and came across this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380803
post 23 explains it, so now all thats needed is adaptation, but I'm not a programer.
Here are the files I did download, but I haven't tested them, nor would know how to "make" them work.
Hope someone can make this work, I get 0 service at home, cause I live in a rural area, but work in a metro.
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As far as I know both the hardware and software must support UMA in order for it to work. For instance, I could use UMA calling on my Shadow 2009, but could'nt on my Shadow 2007, even though they ran the same build of WinMo. From what I understand UMA has to be built into the WiFi chip in order for it to work.
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But how does that explain the Wi-fi calling feature that is added through custom rom flashes for the Samsung Vibrant and the Nexus One? Both those devices never had UMA from the beginning but was added through custom flashes later on.
Yeah, Damenloader is right. How come there's a rom that gives the Vibrant and the Nexus UMA wifi calling ? Anybody ? I'd REALLY like to get UMA on my HD2.
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But how does that explain the Wi-fi calling feature that is added through custom rom flashes for the Samsung Vibrant and the Nexus One? Both those devices never had UMA from the beginning but was added through custom flashes later on.
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Yeah, Damenloader is right. How come there's a rom that gives the Vibrant and the Nexus UMA wifi calling ? Anybody ? I'd REALLY like to get UMA on my HD2.
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Are you guys sure you're not confusing Wi-Fi calling for UMA? These are two different technologies. Wi-Fi calling is simply using a messenger program or SIP server to make calls using Wi-Fi. It's free to other Wi-Fi users or charged to account credits for phone numbers (Fringo, Skype, Nimbuzz, Google Voice). SIP servers work the same way (SIP Gate, etc.), you have to have an account with credit to make Wi-Fi calls to phone numbers.
Both of these Wi-Fi calling options require you to purchase calling credit to make calls to telephone numbers.
The idea behind UMA is that you do not have to purchase credit through a third party, but instead you use the minutes on your T-Mobile plan. For example, if you make a Wi-Fi call with a Blackberry (UMA-enabled phone), you would be connected through T-Mobile's servers (not 3rd party, ie: Skype), and they would simply deduct the minutes from your monthly plan. It would work the same with UMA as it would with a regular phone call through wireless service, free t-motbile to t-mobile, nights and weekends, etc.
I have searched this information thoroughly and have only come to conclude that UMA capability has to be built into the phone, via a chip or other. So far I have not seen anything about UMA being accessible through a program install or software mod.
If you simply want Wi-Fi calling it is possible with the HD2, as I have already done it with Skype and SIP Gate. It will be free if the person you are calling also has Skype, Nimbuzz, Fringo, etc. If you don't mind paying 2-10 cents/minute, then you can purchase the credit and make Wi-Fi calls to telephone numbers as well.
Hope this answers your question.
cu2cool, I believe you may have it a little wrong on the part of UMA. Like in the link I posted before, UMA isn't hardware or chip dependent, though phones like Blackberrys have a dedicated chip for the purpose. UMA is software dependent, and most likely radio dependent. My proof is in this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807116 taken from a Nexus1 thread, which phone didn't have UMA support before some crafty guys worked it out. Don't get me wrong I'm no expert on the subject, just from reading around, I'm fairly certain its "possible" and all it should take is a crafty person with the know-how to make it work.
Edit: Just found this (actually had it opened for weeks and forgot I had it) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843433&page=6 a dev page for WIP on UMA-HD2_TMo-Android.
I finally just forked over the cash for a Mytouch 4G, and it was money well spent even if just for the wifi calling alone.
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I think I just saw something that might help. It came out on the 11th of February. http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/windows-mobile-voip-sip-updated/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/motorola-charm-to-include-uma/
This story is of particular interest to me as I think UMA is a kickass feature. Does anybody know anything about how this is going to work on the charm? Does anyone have a system dump of the charm rom yet? I'd love to poke around and see what's in there.
If I could get UMA working on my nexus I'd never need another phone. I can't even count how many times my wife has been able to use her blackberry via wifi to make calls and then makes fun of my 'superphone'. ...sigh...
It's called Google Voice.
GldRush98 said:
It's called Google Voice.
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Not really; it's not a replacement for UMA. You can't be in a dead zone and be making/receiving calls and texts over WiFi only.
pakraider said:
Not really; it's not a replacement for UMA. You can't be in a dead zone and be making/receiving calls and texts over WiFi only.
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I do that with Google Voice and Sipdroid currently
ram130 said:
I do that with Google Voice and Sipdroid currently
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I guess you can hack a solution if you give everyone your Google Voice number (or forward all calls to it), and have it forwarded to a DID or other number, having that number expose SIP credentials (or use in conjunction with Gizmo/PBXes/Sip Sorcery), and finally use Sipdroid to register and receive calls and dial out. Whew.
Not that I haven't done it before , but that is hardly what UMA can do for you; a seamless connection to the provider without the need of any of that mumbo jumbo (not to mention reliance on everything in your VoIP chain working smoothly all the time)
just out of curiosity though; do you have your setup such that all of your calls/texts are sent/received through the same number so that it's all transparent to everyone else?
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I guess you can hack a solution if you give everyone your Google Voice number (or forward all calls to it), and have it forwarded to a DID or other number, having that number expose SIP credentials (or use in conjunction with Gizmo/PBXes/Sip Sorcery), and finally use Sipdroid to register and receive calls and dial out. Whew.
Not that I haven't done it before , but that is hardly what UMA can do for you; a seamless connection to the provider without the need of any of that mumbo jumbo (not to mention reliance on everything in your VoIP chain working smoothly all the time)
just out of curiosity though; do you have your setup such that all of your calls/texts are sent/received through the same number so that it's all transparent to everyone else?
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I would have to admit, it was a bit of pain(time) to setup. It does fine as an UMA replacement until T-Mobile decide that their coverage is not perfect enough yet and work with google to implement.
As for my setup. Well once I go underground, anyone with my regular mobile number can call and reach me as if I was on T-Mobile same way. As for texts, nope, not yet at least, they would have to text my google number. The only bad side about this setup is that sipdroid does not keep the call going over wifi with the screen off. So your phone gets rather hot after 30mins. Go figure.
Also thanks to this setup, I also take calls on my laptop with both linux and Windows..
One last thing to note since the Charm has UMALite. A user commented on that TmoNews link and said this:
Only calls can be made via UMA. Text/VM notification/MMS will not go work. So like on a TMO Blackberry, UMA gives you full functionality via UMA. UMALite does not. Oh and one more thing,if you originate a call via UMALite, it will not hand it over to gsm or vice versa.
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+ 1 on this.i have heard the vibrant has this feature but i cannot verify.i have sent the developer of the vibrant for cm several messages regarding this issue and cannot get a response.ive even offered a reward to someone that can successfully port it to my nexus.i had a bberry with this feature and its awesome when you are in a building most of the day and have no signal.all of these other features mentioned in this thread,while excellent in their own way,are no comparison to UMA.
InGeNeTiCs said:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/motorola-charm-to-include-uma/
This story is of particular interest to me as I think UMA is a kickass feature. Does anybody know anything about how this is going to work on the charm? Does anyone have a system dump of the charm rom yet? I'd love to poke around and see what's in there.
If I could get UMA working on my nexus I'd never need another phone. I can't even count how many times my wife has been able to use her blackberry via wifi to make calls and then makes fun of my 'superphone'. ...sigh...
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I'm kinda glad T_Mobile finally took the step to made it official [sort of]
The idea is that T-mobile will introduce UMA-Wifi calling app which can be installed on the phone and will allow users to switch.
This is great news for people who live under low reception area and can use their homo wifi routers to make calls at no extra cost!
P.S. The second picture in the post looks like the G2 rom... so we're good fellas!
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/09/is-i...y-coming-to-the-android-platform-on-t-mobile/
Its not true uma though. Its more like skype. Still good news for novice android users and those with poor home reception.
Prefacing this with I have no idea how UMA really works and this may be something impossible to do, but if there's the capability to make regular calls over wifi, would it be possible to combine that with google voice and somehow not use your minutes in some way or use google voice like skype but using your own handset?
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Prefacing this with I have no idea how UMA really works and this may be something impossible to do, but if there's the capability to make regular calls over wifi, would it be possible to combine that with google voice and somehow not use your minutes in some way or use google voice like skype but using your own handset?
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That CAN be done already, as long as its over a data line (ie, wifi, 3g, HSPA+)
I believe skype is already capable of placing calls over wifi, 3G. [Correct me if i'm wrong]
But you can also use stand alone SIP Apps like 3CX or NetDial and configure them to you VOIP provider settings and make calls...
www.voipbuster.com is a really good, FREE/CHEAP VOIP provider
yes you can but in general the connection is not very good. Just my experience though
One of the difficulties in making a UMTS/wifi switchover is the lag time between the loss of one and gaining the other. Typically, going from UMTS --> wifi will work OK since it will typically ensure that the wifi is good before actually disconnecting the UMTS. The other way though, depends on the wifi signal FAILING, and then establishing the UMTS connection as a fallback.
If the network switch overlap could be extended in both directions, especially to start to initiate UMTS connection BEFORE the wifi signal vanishes (i.e., when the signal strength drops to 1-bar), then it would be fairly trivial to set up a PBX and SIP client to automatically follow the network, including seamless switchovers.
The days of regular phone service are already numbered. All you really need on your phone is a DATA plan -- SIP service tends to be less expensive and just as robust as any other kind of voice service. And it certainly kills everything else in terms of FLEXIBILITY.
I have seen a bunch of UMA/Tethering threads that seem to taper off into tethering which more people seem to be into.
However, I barely get any signal in my house and really need UMA or I am going to have to return my sweet new G2 which I don't really want to do. How close are we to getting a UMA hack or the real thing in the form of update.
Thank you in advance.
I agree. I am in the same position. The Wifi calling thread deteriorated into a Tethering thread and what I really need is exactly the same thing. I have to use my BB Bold 9700 with UMA once I get home to my house. I purchased the G2 with the hopes of Wifi Calling coming to it.
I am still believing that it WILL before year end, but obviously the sooner the better as I am getting sick of switching my sim card back and forth constantly.
Is there anyone in the know?
Well, I returned my G2 (within the 14 day initial purchase). Maybe I will buy it again. I just can't deal with the intermittent no service in my house. Even my ATT iPhone had 1 bar in my house which assured the phone would ring and I could text.
If UMA comes to the G2 then I will be a very happy owner of it. Till then, pitty me for my use of a 3G iphone.
hopefully when the mytouchhd..or 4g? comes out the g2 gets the uma as well.. i get some ok signal at home but i want my UMA already.. ive had it for the last couple of years with my BB's
Just to clarify here. The Wifi calling on Android will not hand off to the cell network like it does on the Blackberry phones that support it.
Found a source to confirm!
hxxp://blog.wirelessground.com/t-mobile-wi-fi-calling/
(Note: that was just the first result that came up for a google search of the topic)
For me, the not handing off isn't a problem. I rarely walk out the door with the phone against my ear. I just want to get phone calls in my house.
I have a Blackberry, and so does several of my friends. I've never seen a Blackberry hand off a UMA call to the network or vice versa. It always drops the call when it transitions between UMA and the cell network. So it sounds like it'll work just like a Blackberry.
If you have Gmail open on your computer and your phone does not have a signal it will ring on your computer. Not sure how I did it or if its auto but it will get me by til UMA/WiFi callings comes.
TheMercuryMan said:
If you have Gmail open on your computer and your phone does not have a signal it will ring on your computer. Not sure how I did it or if its auto but it will get me by til UMA/WiFi callings comes.
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That's a feature of Google Voice. If you have setup Google Voice in your phone's voicemail settings, enabled GChat as a phone in your Google Voice settings, and set the Google Voice forwarding options for your mobile phone to ring your other phones before going to voicemail, then calls to your mobile number will ring in GChat.
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That's a feature of Google Voice. If you have setup Google Voice in your phone's voicemail settings, enabled GChat as a phone in your Google Voice settings, and set the Google Voice forwarding options for your mobile phone to ring your other phones before going to voicemail, then calls to your mobile number will ring in GChat.
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Cool thanks I had no idea i was in the other room watching TV and my computer started ringing. Wouldnt be too good if my wife was on the computer and my GF called ( if i had one lol). Any way to get rid of the 14 txt messages, email, and a google voice notification every time i get a voicemail?
I was wondering if you clever devs could look into adding phone functionality to the adam 3g model ?
it should be capable and would be handy for the odd occasions with a bluetooth headset.
The early tablets and recently at ces the tablet had phone icons on the desktop so im sure its at least a possibility !!
many thanks in advance
On the Battery Use, I have seen a "Phone" process.
Maybe it is already activated, but not used
You can get to the phone section via "contacts" but when you try to make a call it says "call ended" after you hit the call button. From the FCC docs, it says that the Ericcson F3307 3G card is "voice" capable so in theory it is possible! The only thing even close to phone functionality that does work is the sending/receiving SMS messages atm.
Just a shot in the dark, but does google voice's data calling use the same process?
yes and it sucks. it only stinks that the google voice works over data and not wifi. so i cant make a call over wifi if i dont have a valid sim card in.