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Hi all,
for those who are expecting HD games I found out that nvidia will soon release a android app to show up games and apps specially optimized for Tegra 2.
_http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-zone.html
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Bastospn
Thanks for the heads up. Looks interesting. The price of some of the games in the screen shot are $14.99!!, I hope there are some reasonably priced ones!! I don't like paying that for a pc game, let alone a mobile game!
want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
tshoulihane said:
want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
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and saying stuff like "a blazing 2,616 score on the Quadrant test"
*points to signature* =)
kepler1982 said:
and saying stuff like "a blazing 2,616 score on the Quadrant test"
*points to signature* =)
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Chinese forums also do this, but with score like 3300+ , if i follow the dates on the reports, it pretty much looks like parts of the info, is based on my implementation of the fs optimization.. as they also went from 1800+ on Advent Vega to 2300+ with the new nvidia graphics fix + 3300+ on it now probably with the fs optimization... (Advent vega is the only one close to our Folio with MMC based memory, where Elocity has nand which already is faster and gives them 2700+ scores without fs optimization)
tshoulihane said:
want now!
It does amuse me at how the CES reports are treating Tegra2 as completely new when we already have been playing with these devices for 2 months now.
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Tegra2 is new enough to be presented at CES. Only now we start to se what could be achived with this plattform! It's more about showing the user experience, than the hardware itself.
We miss some HD games for android, I hope this arrive soon!
We are still waitting for good HD games on Android. Google should hurry up, now that tegra 2 platform is hitting the market, we would expect more HD content.
At CES 2011 some good titles were showed but this doesn't even compare with the hundreds or even thousand games on Apple Store.
bastospn said:
We are still waitting for good HD games on Android. Google should hurry up, now that tegra 2 platform is hitting the market, we would expect more HD content.
At CES 2011 some good titles were showed but this doesn't even compare with the hundreds or even thousand games on Apple Store.
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this is soo true... Apple can easily get the majority of tablet market having some a wide range of products supporting the ipad..
Lets hope someone finds it needed to get a leak out on the market, if the 3rd party vendors do not finish soon.
Dexter_nlb said:
this is soo true... Apple can easily get the majority of tablet market having some a wide range of products supporting the ipad..
Lets hope someone finds it needed to get a leak out on the market, if the 3rd party vendors do not finish soon.
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I am afraid that tegra2 tablets despite being faster than ipad may never become a success or surpass it. One thing Google could do is to launch by themself some awesome titles. This often happens when console titles are made exclusively for a given console. If Google's wants to win this they must not rely on 3 rd party to do their job.
The same should apply for nvidia
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I am afraid that tegra2 tablets despite being faster than ipad may never become a success or surpass it.
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i dont think ipad wins much comparing to android..
- no flash yet
- no widgets
- limited apps (apple policies i would call it)
- 1Click2Run method processing, background tasks handling is not very appreciative of non-approved applications.
- No google
- No real iOS customization, limited..
but i think the whole user interface will be most important, and not only the faster tegra2, which still don't do that well comparing to DesireHD for now :-(
my tweak might have pushed some limits, but 3D on DesireHD as example is much better supported already.. although screen is smaller, senseUI runs pretty well and is a well designed..
original_ganjaman said:
Thanks for the heads up. Looks interesting. The price of some of the games in the screen shot are $14.99!!, I hope there are some reasonably priced ones!! I don't like paying that for a pc game, let alone a mobile game!
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Nah, ad mock up. That game showed will still be 2.99.
With honeycomb we should see more polished apps and games. Especially with mostly Tegra 2 behind it.
Dexter_nlb said:
i dont think ipad wins much comparing to android..
- no flash yet
- no widgets
- limited apps (apple policies i would call it)
- 1Click2Run method processing, background tasks handling is not very appreciative of non-approved applications.
- No google
- No real iOS customization, limited..
but i think the whole user interface will be most important, and not only the faster tegra2, which still don't do that well comparing to DesireHD for now :-(
my tweak might have pushed some limits, but 3D on DesireHD as example is much better supported already.. although screen is smaller, senseUI runs pretty well and is a well designed..
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I tend to agree with you! But for most people Apple still is consider the best buy as it work best out of the box!
Guys from Apple are soo clever, they don't just delivery everything at once, they softly improve their products, bit by bit. This way in a couple of years we had 4 or 5 versions of iphone and a dozen versions o iOS. This is how they make money! This money pays for new small improvements and them people pays big bucks for this improvements.
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I tend to agree with you! But for most people Apple still is consider the best buy as it work best out of the box!
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+1
i have tried the interface of an ipad, and yes it feels fast and responsive to an action done. but for me its not all about a fast response, limiting my other options for that cost.. but yes, apple do know how to sell a product.. not many cares about multitasking so why include that in the early ones, so its easier to sell a "fast" frontend.
Is it possible to fit an arm-based processor like nvidia's in an hd2? Also, if i'm allowed to ask, is it possible to fit the same in a dell xps m1330? I'd really appreciate a working solution. Thanks again
docsheji said:
Is it possible to fit an arm-based processor like nvidia's in an hd2? Also, if i'm allowed to ask, is it possible to fit the same in a dell xps m1330? I'd really appreciate a working solution. Thanks again
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what does it have to do with Nvidia TegraZone?
I don't really understand the question! When you refer to HD2 are you speaking about the mobile phone from HTC?
Of course HTC will have nvidia tegra 2 phones available soon, but sure they won't call them HD2, but something else instead.
If you are asking if you can by your own means do it (DIY)... putting a HD2 phone to work with a nvidia 250 chipset I will say you are dreamming
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
I tried the game, something beautiful! and, indeed, are seen just how powerful the machine! and how good the video accelerator.
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Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
I tried the game, something beautiful! and, indeed, are seen just how powerful the machine! and how good the video accelerator.
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Add Monster madness to that one.... but you need a Build.prop fix,ill put it in FolioMod thread, to see the game on Market (it says 2.3 only)
Andy Rubin said Honeycomb has onscreen buttons.
Do you think we will quit using the capacitive buttons once updated? Will they stop illuminating?
We would save battery from them not lighting and the lack of haptic feedback.
Thoughts?
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AndroidZ28 said:
Andy Rubin said Honeycomb has onscreen buttons.
Do you think we will quit using the capacitive buttons once updated? Will they stop illuminating?
We would save battery from them not lighting and the lack of haptic feedback.
Thoughts?
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It all depends on how it is implemented, and haptic feedback will never go away, haptic feedback isnt just for capacitive buttons.
and the LEDs from the buttons dont even use much power
I thought that Andy Rubin said that was only implying for tablets since they have more space for a dedicated taskbar.
I know all haptic would not go away, I meant just for the keys. Taking away some vibrations and leds would help battery some...
Also there are some people who have capacitive button issues but don't want to exchange the phone because nothing else is wrong - they wouldn't have to!
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I personally doubt that many would quit, especially on mobiles. Tablets, yes (for instance if the Galaxy Tab recieved Honeycomb), but due to the relative small size of mobile displays, I imagine having the capacitive buttons would be useful. And I doubt it would save much battery, but then again I don't know how much they use in the first place.
Maybe the onscreen buttons will only be for tablets? Who knows...
I think the Nexus would look good with nothing lit up at the bottom.
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honeycomb has on screen buttons for the tablets only. There are two variations of honeycomb, one for phones and one for tablets.
The tablet version has a black bar on the bottom that has all the buttons that the phones normally have, and more. It moves around depending on the orientation of the screen, this was done so that no matter what way you hold the device you always have easy access to the buttons.
On the phones thats useless since all phones have the buttons on them, not to mention it would take up a good amount of screen space and lead to possible burn in issues if the buttons are always there.
Anyone see this news about Honeycomb - requires Dual Core?
Hi - Just came across 2 articles (PhoneDog and original source PCMag), that Honeycomb requires dual core - if so, won't this hurt us NS owners (or any single core Android phones)?
I get that these articles are talking about tablets, but just wondered of Google was planning to create a light (lack of a better term) version for phones? Sorry, don't know much about how this all works, so I wasn't sure if the same OS on tablets, would also be the same one we get on phones.
PhoneDog:
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/01/03/rumor-honeycomb-requires-a-dual-core-processor-high-res-display/
PCMag:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375016,00.asp
Lies! ... all lies
They start these rumors every single time about a future OS coming out...
PCMAG:
Google's new Android Honeycomb tablet OS will require a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor to run properly, said Bobby Cha, managing director of Korean consumer electronics firm Enspert.
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They're just rumors.. I highly doubt that this is true. There are no evidence to back this up, it is just some "analyst" who think he knows what he's talking about.
That's like saying the next Windows will drop support for Dual Core CPUs and only support Quad and above. It isn't realistic.
Obviously not true, that isn't Google's way of working.
remember the whole gingerbread requiring 1ghz processor..yea, that was BS
Whew! Thank you guys - now I don't have to return my baby!
Every article/rumor is saying "Honeycomb tablet OS." Nothing about the phone version. So it could be true for tablets, but I highly doubt it'll be true for phones. Not yet anyways.
oke,here is some logical sense
honeycomb is getting optimized for tablet's 'Hmm?
all the new Tablet's in the future are already getting nvidia dual core chip thingy. 'hmm?
a tablet has a bigger screen.
if you put a 30 inch screen on a windows xp single core machine and play games on it. 'Hmm?
what happens?
yes. it will run slower :3
so i am guessing.
because of the big screens on tablets,the tablets need dual core.
so assume we mobile phone users dont requir a dual core.
ghost010 said:
oke,here is some logical sense
honeycomb is getting optimized for tablet's 'Hmm?
all the new Tablet's in the future are already getting nvidia dual core chip thingy. 'hmm?
a tablet has a bigger screen.
if you put a 30 inch screen on a windows xp single core machine and play games on it. 'Hmm?
what happens?
yes. it will run slower :3
so i am guessing.
because of the big screens on tablets,the tablets need dual core.
so assume we mobile phone users dont requir a dual core.
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.....that logic is so faulty imho, 1ghz single core is more than enough power for an average tablet
Everyone is missing the verbatim quote:
Google's new Android Honeycomb tablet OS will require a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor to run properly,
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This is the same line that was touted during froyo/gingerbread. The OS will run properly on target hardware, that does not mean it's a requirement.
Since the very beginning andy rubin has stated the android ecosystem is similar to windows ecosystem in terms of upgrades. Meaning, that as technology moves forward so do the possibilities.
With the tablet form factor and layouts you will have views inside views, something that NEEDS more power to do. This DOES NOT MEAN phones cannot run the base OS. A phone will NEVER require to have a view within a view, because lets face it it's a 4" screen.
Just like the NFC/bluetooth/wifi/ffc apis are hardware dependent so will the "tablet API" be dependent on actual hardware that performs better.
This will probably mean a get out jail free card for samsung so they never have to update the TAB, but something tells me it's be an encore presenation of the LG fiasco with the Optimus line.
Expect to see honeycomb on phones from modder commmunity (CM and co). They'll probably hack in the tablet API just for the hell of it, even if it's useless on a handset screen.
this is nothing official, just someone's opinion. however we did all see the video of the motorola prototype at allthingsd site, and he flat out said "we take new hardware, new screen, etc" and it was running the dual core tegra cpu. that right there should give an indication of where they want tablets to go. sure it might not be REQUIRED. but i mean, the proof is right there, it was running a dual core.
RogerPodacter said:
this is nothing official, just someone's opinion. however we did all see the video of the motorola prototype at allthingsd site, and he flat out said "we take new hardware, new screen, etc" and it was running the dual core tegra cpu. that right there should give an indication of where they want tablets to go. sure it might not be REQUIRED. but i mean, the proof is right there, it was running a dual core.
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I honestly dont see any next generation tablets with a single core processor, same thing with phones too. is dual core needed for the every day user..oh hell no. but does it sound good and is it going to sell product, hell f'ng yes
I have no fear that the NS will get honeycomb.
First off, why the heck did you buy a Xoom in the first place, it's kinda like you were asking for trouble and then paying for it, kinda stupid.
You say that the lack of high def video support is your main beef (especially after certain people point out that the vaunted all high powerfull apple didn't have all that many tablet apps on its initial release), but your keep switching the bar for what the problem is. You now say that the problem is no native, "Hardware" support for high def, but apple doesn't have that either, even the vaunted Ipad 2 doesn't seem to come with a hardware decoder for high def, and you apperantly realize that a software decoder is on the way, one way or the other, for the Xoom, so your only beef is it's not here now.
You know what, I'm not normally one of those Linux geeks who likes to show how smart I am and disdains others trying to play with my software, but [email protected] you apple guys are some annoying perfectionist f√cks that I'd rather not have on my team, and not just perfectionist but blind to the faults in your own chosen gods.
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Many people like myself picked up an iPad when it was apparent that Android had nothing to compete with it. I bought mine over the summer expecting Android to release something, anything, that could compete with it during the fall, at which time I would sell the ipad and pick up the Android tablet. During that period of waiting, I picked up a Galaxy S phone, specifically the Epic4g. I later found out that Galaxy S phones were nearly identical to the iPad hardware wise. I am continually blown away by how awesome this phone is and its capabilities. I am not an iPad fanboy. I think the hardware is amazing, but iOS is annoying and far too simple. So that is where I am coming from:
The FACT that the Xoom is incapable of playing high profile [email protected] or higher is ridiculous given its specs and who the manufacturer of the SoC is. I'm sorry. The iPad running XBMC and my Galaxy S phone natively can play files that the Xoom cannot, and that is kinda pathetic, as neither of those devices are dual cores and both are running years old GPU tech. Maybe sometime in the future the Xoom will be able to software decode these videos by maxing out both cores of the CPU, but that is both not ideal and unlikely and will destroy battery life compared to hardware decoding which uses the GPU.
And yes, the iPad hardware decodes these videos using XBMC the same way that my phone hardware decodes natively. Natively they limit the capability of the ipad to pimp their iTunes garbage, but the capability was there in the hardware for ingenious people to take advantage of. The iPad had Air Video also, which mitigated much of its unjailbroken shortcomings until XBMC was ported. No such capability exists for the xoom according to the very people who brought the port of XBMC to the iPad.
As for the rest of your post where you go on about "teams" and other nonsense, what are you talking about. People can appreciate both platforms and both devices.
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.
I have both so its easy to compare one to the other. With that said, looking forward to Xoom updates to bring feature parity. Hopefully something can be done with the craptastic video playback support.
No offense, but I enjoy snuggling up with my gf in front of my regular LCD TV to watch my movies. Why go through all that trouble of jailbreaking when another update will force you to revert? And why go through all that trouble to play a movie on a tablet when I can I play it back perfectly on my hdpc? I have more than a ½ TB of movies and how many movies are on my tablet....just three. Why? Just to show it off to others. In the end each is their own. But I didn't purchase my tablet to just play movies or music. I purchased it for productivity simply. Not saying ipad can't be that, but I prefer to free myself from iTunes. It's a bastard and no hack or mod will make any apple product work my way.
muyoso said:
Many people like myself picked up an iPad when it was apparent that Android had nothing to compete with it. I bought mine over the summer expecting Android to release something, anything, that could compete with it during the fall, at which time I would sell the ipad and pick up the Android tablet. During that period of waiting, I picked up a Galaxy S phone, specifically the Epic4g. I later found out that Galaxy S phones were nearly identical to the iPad hardware wise. I am continually blown away by how awesome this phone is and its capabilities. I am not an iPad fanboy. I think the hardware is amazing, but iOS is annoying and far too simple. So that is where I am coming from:
The FACT that the Xoom is incapable of playing high profile [email protected] or higher is ridiculous given its specs and who the manufacturer of the SoC is. I'm sorry. The iPad running XBMC and my Galaxy S phone natively can play files that the Xoom cannot, and that is kinda pathetic, as neither of those devices are dual cores and both are running years old GPU tech. Maybe sometime in the future the Xoom will be able to software decode these videos by maxing out both cores of the CPU, but that is both not ideal and unlikely and will destroy battery life compared to hardware decoding which uses the GPU.
And yes, the iPad hardware decodes these videos using XBMC the same way that my phone hardware decodes natively. Natively they limit the capability of the ipad to pimp their iTunes garbage, but the capability was there in the hardware for ingenious people to take advantage of. The iPad had Air Video also, which mitigated much of its unjailbroken shortcomings until XBMC was ported. No such capability exists for the xoom according to the very people who brought the port of XBMC to the iPad.
As for the rest of your post where you go on about "teams" and other nonsense, what are you talking about. People can appreciate both platforms and both devices.
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.
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Thank you for being reasonable, even if I was coming off as some what of a d/ck. We actually do not fully know yet if the Xoom's hi def restrictions are totally related to hardware yet, some on the notion ink board have hinted that it is merely a problem with the OS and that the hardware can handle it, this actually makes sense when you think about it, after all nvidia is first and formost a graphics oriented company. So we could see an OS fix and have a hardware native solution.
Whatever the problem might be, the issue I generally have is that the apple fan boys are quick to dismiss the overall capability of the system in favor of a system that is fully developed, you can't compare nor compete with a system that is fully developed to it's ultimate potential with a system that is just beginning to feel itself out into what it can become. You might love the finished product of the Ipad, but at the same time understand that it has limits that the Xoom doesn't.
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If the Adam has a Tegra 2 and can play high quality videos, the XOOM is absolutely capable of it. Right?
I bought an iPad2 tonight to have both
arrtoodeetoo said:
If the Adam has a Tegra 2 and can play high quality videos, the XOOM is absolutely capable of it. Right?
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Yes, exactly, the problem seems to be OS related, so fixable.
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cwizardtx said:
I bought an iPad2 tonight to have both
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That's the best of both worlds. Enjoy!!!
muyoso said:
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.
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+1 on that one sir. you have no idea how long i was following the tegra 2 story last year. it is disappointing that there's a ton of codec issues on the xoom. I'm quite sure this is a software, not hardware issue.
However, Google/Motorola needs to be aware of this asap. The louder the noise, the more they will do something about it.
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Yes, exactly, the problem seems to be OS related, so fixable.
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Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.
cwizardtx said:
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win!
i like apple's hardware just fine (my work machine is a macbook pro, which boot into xp) and i still have a 7 year old 64gb iPod and it still works somehow. what i don't like is apple OSes and walled gardens and devices that i can't do what I want with. i like to feel like i own a device. and i guess i might have to admit i'm a bit of a fanboy. i'm pretty bought in to the whole google ecosystem. I've even got a Cr-48 my xoom is sitting on top of.
but the positive side of this iOS vs Android thing is that we're getting some kickass products from the battle. without the fierce competition (in the wake of Apple changing the smartphone market with the first iPhone) we'd all still be stuck on palm/webOS, blackberry or winbloze mobile.
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Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.
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OK, well I have asked my brother whom is a programer for Motorola what the actual hardware support is and I have posted on the nvidia developer site to explain what the capabilities are hopefully I will get a reply.
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Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.
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Can the Ipad or Ipad 2 support [email protected] or higher video, and I mean native hardware, not software, and is the tegra 2 not capable with a software correction while the Ipad or Ipad 2 is, in other words is one device especially deficient as apposed to the other?
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Well... I am for one have switched to the other side - and LOVING IT!
Dont get me wrong - once the Android platform is a little more mature - I will be back! Until then good luck and enjoy waiting for fixes, games, apps and the 2nd generation around the corner.
(You may ask why did I give up my Android - well it was ViewSonic with a TERRIBLE screen. I also found the applications to be very substandard (games, etc.). I am one of those Linux/Java geeks who LOVE recompiling kernels, developing fixes/apps, etc. but for now.. I just wanted something that I would be productive with.
Anyway... I write this for google and other android manufactorers to see... I will be back.. I promise but I will NOT spend $800 on a beta platform ($400 would have taken me)!
I think I chose wisely
READ:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2
I have an ipad, pretty much since day 1. How could you not be a fan? It is a market defining device like the ipod. MS has been talking tablets for 10 years and hasn't been able to pull it off. I don't use mine for movies or music and I still like it. For my uses, the Xoom is a better fit as it has a real file system, sd memory, usb hosting, Motorola seems to have warmed to rooting, etc. but my ipad (which I won't be upgrading) is still an excellent device. Android needs a media manager, hopefully a unified Android platform, to compete with ipad for most people. Maybe that will be Google Music?
Thank you Apple for raising the bar. If it wasn't for the iphone we'd be stuck with WM5.0 or a RIM still doing text only emails. As long as Google and Apple are chasing each other devices and innovation will be better and better and we have choices.
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Can the Ipad or Ipad 2 support [email protected] or higher video, and I mean native hardware, not software, and is the tegra 2 not capable with a software correction while the Ipad or Ipad 2 is, in other words is one device especially deficient as apposed to the other?
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The iPad supports nothing out of the box for obvious reasons. Its a closed ecosystem. The hardware is willing but iOS is unwilling. Installing XBMC however allows my iPad to play up to high profile [email protected] 720p videos before it begins to show signs of stuttering. Everything I have read including a direct quote from the dev behind the XBMC release for iOS who bought a Tegra 2 developer kit to begin the porting to the Tegra 2 platform is that Nvidia's Soc is incapable at a hardware level of high profile video @ L4.1 or higher. That is, with perfect drivers and codecs, that is the maximum it can achieve. The iPad2 will be able to do a lot more than the original iPad most likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was capable of 1080p high profile @L5.1.
stanglx said:
Well... I am for one have switched to the other side - and LOVING IT!
Dont get me wrong - once the Android platform is a little more mature - I will be back! Until then good luck and enjoy waiting for fixes, games, apps and the 2nd generation around the corner.
(You may ask why did I give up my Android - well it was ViewSonic with a TERRIBLE screen. I also found the applications to be very substandard (games, etc.). I am one of those Linux/Java geeks who LOVE recompiling kernels, developing fixes/apps, etc. but for now.. I just wanted something that I would be productive with.
Anyway... I write this for google and other android manufactorers to see... I will be back.. I promise but I will NOT spend $800 on a beta platform ($400 would have taken me)!
I think I chose wisely
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2
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SERIOUSLY! I returned my Xoom to Costco on thursday and got my ipad 2 yesterday and I'm extremely glad i did ($400 bucks in my pocket :]). I dont care how "closed" it is, the iPad handles media beautifully. The xoom couldn't even handle the large pdfs i threw at it, zooming and page turning was a stuttering mess (i know its a software issue but still!) while the iPad zips through the pages with such ease. This goes for movies as well, xoom=stutter or forceclose while ipad = smooth. And the apps, wow, they are amazing. Garageband on a tablet is so ridiculously awesome. And now there is a flash player for ipad! The iswifter app for ios played every damn flash video and game i through at it.
While the cameras on the xoom are better, the ipads cameras are plenty sufficient for what most people are going to use them for. Video chat and photbooth lol. For all other stuff i have my Epic 4g which takes beautiful pictures Speaking of epic 4g, i can finally use wireless tether now because the ipad supports BOTH infrastructure and adhoc. I know the Wireless tether 3.0 supports infrastructure but it caused my phone to reboot way too much.
For all you people saying the ipad 2 sucks and what not, please do read the anandtech review of it.
I still do hope xoom does well though. If it doesn't, developers won't move their apps from the appstore to the market place. Hopefully by the time the Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes out, honeycomb will be a little more mature. I Can't wait to see whats in store for android at google io this year (got my student ticket )
Congrats. Go post it on an apple board where someone cares. This is xoom board. it's a xoom dev board even.
Did anyone read the anandtech review of the PowerVR SGX543MP2 that they just posted? Holy testicles, it demolishes the Tegra 2 GPU.
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-ee...ice-cream-sandwich-expected-in-q3q4-20110623/
It should never be too early to talk about the next TF that is coming later in the year.
I have the original & I love it but I'm not sure if I will be getting the TF2 or not. If they keep the same price range then it will be hard to resist in getting one. I just recent got a brand new Euro GSM GT 7" for the hell of it & I like the size. I'll probably look for a tablet in the 7-8" range & give my mom my TF since she uses it more than me.
So will you be getting the new TF2 when it comes later in the year or will you be going a different route?
A lot can happen between now and October, when he TF2 is anticipated to be out. I doubt that I'll be ready to replace the TF so soon, and I'm guessing there will be a pretty exciting new round of products coming out in 2012. So, I'd be more inclined to stick with what's working well for me, and see what's announced at CES 2012.
If I had the funds to upgrade my gadgets every six months, I would. Alas, I don't.
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It will depend on how better the TF2 will be.
I'm usually a sucker for the latest tech and a Kal-El processor is definitely hard to resist.
But I hope its just more than spec bumps, a lighter, slimmer form factor with better speakers would be nice.
If it turns out to be good then I'll probably sell my TF and get it.
Ditto, depending on how much of an upgrade the TF2 from the original TF is what will make that decision for me. Also the $ aspect
Ice Cream Sandwhich will also be a big factor, Im excited to see what it offers over Honeycomb.
Like everyone else, I may consider it, but I don't have a job, so it may be hard to get the funds, especially since I need the keyboard dock for school, and I don't even have that yet.
Chandelure said:
Like everyone else, I may consider it, but I don't have a job, so it may be hard to get the funds, especially since I need the keyboard dock for school, and I don't even have that yet.
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Lol...i know i'm trying to wait for it to go down a bit...not saying its not worth 150, cause it really is for all it does....idk, im thinking next year i'll look and see whats out there. The good thing about the TF is that it was a good price, and usually that pushes the prices of the competition down, so in a few months we might start seeing more tablets in this price range...
There is absolutely NO NEED for a quad core processor in a Tablet. This will just eat battery life ( unless they change that as well ) and cause it to get hotter.
Quad Processors are for MEDIA and GAMING machines. Machines that will take advantage and USE them properly. Tablets? No need.
If that is the only change between the two devices then anyone that does get one.....Well you know the saying " A fool and his money are soon parted ".
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There is absolutely NO NEED for a quad core processor in a Tablet. This will just eat battery life ( unless they change that as well ) and cause it to get hotter.
Quad Processors are for MEDIA and GAMING machines. Machines that will take advantage and USE them properly. Tablets? No need.
If that is the only change between the two devices then anyone that does get one.....Well you know the saying " A fool and his money are soon parted ".
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The more cores doesn't mean the more power it uses, In fact the new Kal-El chips will have less power consumption than Tegra 2 at the same clock rate.
Apps also aren't the only thing that will benefit quad core processors. General tasks such as browsing or watching HD movies will benefit greatly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yzln-NBGQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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The more cores doesn't mean the more power it uses, In fact the new Kal-El chips will have less power consumption than Tegra 2 at the same clock rate.
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Because 4 cores processing the same workload is more efficient than two cores doing the same job.
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Because 4 cores processing the same workload is more efficient than two cores doing the same job.
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Correct, as the work is shared and spread at lower amounts between the 4 cores.
At this point, I can't see anything that will get me to upgrade. Everything I need can be done on the Transformer - it's fast enough for me, games run great (I play games that run well on my old Android phone, so quad-processor Tegra 3 isn't needed..... ). I don't know of any features I "need" that I don't already have with this tablet.
Of course, my phone does need to be upgraded.... but that's a story for another day LOL
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4 cores = no more lag on the browser???? Wow, sign me up....
How about they support this one with accessories? I would love to hear about that more than making a new one and **** the original. An over priced and poor quality case is the only real accessory they have.
fader01 said:
How about they support this one with accessories? I would love to hear about that more than making a new one and **** the original. An over priced and poor quality case is the only real accessory they have.
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Future iterations of the ASUS Transformer line are said to be compatible with the current keyboard dock accessory. If you want to upgrade your TF, just replace the tablet itself and the new one will fit right in the keyboard dock. Saves you $150.
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So will you be getting the new TF2 when it comes later in the year or will you be going a different route?
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Probably not. Not falling for the Apple "sucker" business model anymore. The Kool-Aid has lost its taste.
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Correct, as the work is shared and spread at lower amounts between the 4 cores.
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Understand and agree. But, stop a minute. What tasks do we all do that would truly (now, be as objective as we can lol) necessitate a quad core processor on a tablet? Who here is doing large spreadsheets? Ripping, re-coding mpeg2 files, etc. I can't speak to games as I don't play them so I'll not comment. Other than note taking, email, YouTube, a movie here or there, web browsing, Pulse, etc all mentioned perform (for me at least) quite well on the Tegra 2.
I love the "latest and greatest" too. And I consider myself very fortunate to not have a TF plagued with build issues others are experiencing. But, for me, until I see full specs that include the TF2 giving massages (oops, I take that back!) I'll just zip along with what I have. "Needs" and "Wants" are vastly different and seldom the same. IMHO.
Now the Devs, well they're different breed of cat. Heck, they've probably forgotten more about android than I'll ever know! A quad might well be indicated for them.....but the the rest of us?
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How about they support this one with accessories? I would love to hear about that more than making a new one and **** the original. An over priced and poor quality case is the only real accessory they have.
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I'm inclined to feel the same. I love the pace of current technology innovation, but I can't stand how the race to get to the next product launch consistently leaves products from the previous generation with serious bugs and other unresolved issues. The GTab is a good example of that...thank God for the dev community, who saved that device from the ashes.
The sooner Asus releases the source code, the better we'll be able to take care of ourselves in the long run with this device.
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I'm inclined to feel the same. I love the pace of current technology innovation, but I can't stand how the race to get to the next product launch consistently leaves products from the previous generation with serious bugs and other unresolved issues. The GTab is a good example of that...thank God for the dev community, who saved that device from the ashes.
The sooner Asus releases the source code, the better we'll be able to take care of ourselves in the long run with this device.
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Here, here!!! The way the accessories are coming out (insert smirk here) we might see TF6 before a useable desktop dock shows up. Or any of the other goodies we've only heard about!
jjsoviet said:
Future iterations of the ASUS Transformer line are said to be compatible with the current keyboard dock accessory. If you want to upgrade your TF, just replace the tablet itself and the new one will fit right in the keyboard dock. Saves you $150.
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This would be cool if it ends up happening (and I'd definitely upgrade if that were the case), but the TF 2 is rumored to be thinner than the TF. Not sure how it could work with the keyboard dock if that's the case.
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Do not the software/apps have to be written to take advantage of quad cores? My guess would be a quad core tablet would kind of be a waste as at least 2 out of the 4 cores would sit by doing nothing most of the time until all the programmers catch up.
BGR has learned from a trusted source that Samsung is set to launch an 11.6-inch tablet running Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich next year, and it will most likely be unveiled at Mobile World Congress in February. Even though the tablet features a larger display than Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1, we’re told that the tablet is “barely larger” due to the fact the slate will have a thinner bezel with a whopping 2560 x 1600 resolution, 11.6-inch screen with a 16:10 aspect ratio. The tablet will use a dual-core Exynos 5250 CPU clocked at 2GHz. We have also heard that Apple’s new A6 CPU will be very similar to the Samsung CPU, which is a dual-core Cortex A15 chip. Samsung’s tablet will also feature Android Beam for easy syncing of media with a Galaxy Nexus, and a special wireless docking mode for gaming on HDTVs that will help Samsung compete with Apple TV, AirPlay and more. Samsung had no comment.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/08/samsu...et-with-retina-resolution-tablet-in-february/
This will be my next tablet. The next-gen Exynos will blow the Teg 3 away without the gimickery of making a chip out of two dual-cores and a single core and having to step between them based on load.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/
Wow, I hope Samsung workers condition are better then those from apple.
maurrubio said:
Wow, I hope Samsung workers condition are better then those from apple.
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Seriously? That's where your mind went after reading my post?
I believe the party you're looking for is over here...
http://www.slaveryfootprint.org/
I saw this a few mins ago but wasn't sure about performance
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I saw this a few mins ago but wasn't sure about performance
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There were links to two interesting articles that I read off of this forum.
The first was an engineer's analysis of the Teg 3 which in a nutshell called it a Frankenstein-ish method of improving performance that was totally dependent on Nvidia's skills in pulling it all together. All-in-all, it's older technology glommed together and manipulated to gain better performance. That approach also makes the chip incredibly expensive and difficult to fabricate. It'll be interesting to see how the chip performs once it's in large scale deployment. Even Intel, with all of their resources, has had manufacturing issues and had to recall chips. After the performance of the Teg 2 vs. other dual-core chips I'm not a big Nvidia fan.
The other fascinating article was from an engineer at Google talking about the way Android processes instructions and manages displayed content. It was explaining why there was some perceived stuttering and lag in the UI. I'm no engineer but in the detail of the Exynos 6250 it appears that Samsung's trying to address the challenge at the h/w level.
Regardless of the number of cores, the real test of a chip comes down to how well it handles various tasks. In Android the big challenges seem to be simultaneous execution of commands, high-profile video playback, and painting heavy content to the display. If this was a horse race I'd bet on Samsung's ability to address those three things better than Nvidia's. The existing Exynos is the dual-core chip to beat and I'm assuming the next-gen version won't disappoint.
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The other fascinating article was from an engineer at Google talking about the way Android processes instructions and manages displayed content....
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I think you are talking about this:
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
And agree on your Tegra graphics part.
2560x1600 uh ?
highly unlikely IMO
1080 first
jeandujardin01 said:
2560x1600 uh ?
highly unlikely IMO
1080 first
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Did you read the press release from Samsung in the second link? It specifically mentions the ability of the new Exynos chip to support that resolution in tablets.
It had the ability to SUPPORT that resolution, does not say it will be that resolution. It would take a big chunk of the processor then, and which I'm sure would hurt overall performance.
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With this superb tech specs Samsung will rock in 2012.....but time being these are all rumors.... lets see next year....
http://mirolta.com/2011/12/09/samsu...android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-tablet-at-mwc/
this resolution #ucks the processor power , it needs a superior vga card to play games just normal
Every passing day, I'm feeling better about not having impulsively pre-ordered a Transformer Prime.
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this resolution #ucks the processor power , it needs a superior vga card to play games just normal
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No one seems to be reading the links. The resolution is retina. The reason Samsung's doing it is to beat Apple to market as the iPad3 will have the same or similar resoulution. The press release talks about the new architecture being used in the next Exyonos chip to drive that high a resolution. It also talks about the new chip Apple will be using. And as market leader, I'm sure Apple's not going to release a new device that performs more poorly than the device it's replacing. If Apple can pull it off, I'm sure Samsung can. Since Samsung's previously built Apple's chips, I see no reason the next Exynos won't peform as well or better than Apple's new chip. Even at a ludicrously high resolution.
wouldnt you give people a 1080p screen then a year later a new tablet with this 2560x1600 plus an even newer processor ?
technologies are slowed down on purpose in some cases, in other it takes steps to get to something better
Single core -> dual core -> quad core
Phones: WVGA -> qHD -> HD720
Tablets: WXGA -> FHD or in between -> WQXGA
and don't always trust rumors...unless it comes with a pic
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and don't always trust rumors...unless it comes with a pic
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From Samsung's own press release (hardly a rumor):
Primarily in high-end tablet PC mounted ‘Exynos 5250′ which evolved into a high-resolution ultra-high resolution according to the tablet market trends WQXGA (2560 * 1600) displays are supported.
In addition, when implementing a still image of the mobile device of the AP without additional signal transmission timing of the display screen with the images stored in the controller itself implements (Panel Self Refresh feature) at the system level power consumption is reduced.
And the reason I'd guess they're doing it is: A) because they manufacture their own chips and displays it will be difficult for competitors to replicate, and B) the iPad3 is supposed to have a retina display with similar resolution. Even today Samsung's discounted very little while Acer, Asus, Lenovo, and Toshiba have. To get the same price as an iPad in the future Samsung's going to have to offer features others don't. And every tablet announced except the Prime already offers a 1900x1200 display so what you're suggesting already exists for new main stream tablets. To command higher prices it makes sense for Samsung to mirror Apple rather then follow the Android crowd.
Interesting, but then again, not really something I am waiting for or willing to purchase.
The hardware on the tablets are already pretty great, for what is available right now. We need the tablets to improve on their functionality. Right now, they are great for surfing, odd TV/Movie viewing and social media. My Tegra 2 does that pretty spanky right now.
I don't feel that games have taken off in anything other then Angry birdish games. At the end of the day, the simple touchscreen doesn't really allow for the same kind of controllable dept that most games feature today.
Onlive is a good bet on how maybe gaming will evolve on the tablets, with special versions of the "real" games being released in some "tablet" manner.
Anyways, the numbers are impressive, but there really isn't anything that can take advantage of it nor is there really any needs for it. (Except in the niche "I have bigger numbers/e-peen" market, which can only sell so many units)
The galaxy tab 10.1 will be a perfect tablet with the release of ICS for it, then I am going to wait for the tablet to involve into more then what it currently is.
The galaxy tab 10.1 will be a perfect tablet with the release of ICS for it, then I am going to wait for the tablet to involve into more then what it currently is.[/QUOTE]
I hear that. I have had every tab settled with the Acer and 8.9. I'm good for now. But who wants a 12 inch tab? Seems too big. 7.7-8.2 is perfect.
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qhinton said:
I hear that. I have had every tab settled with the Acer and 8.9. I'm good for now. But who wants a 12 inch tab? Seems too big. 7.7-8.2 is perfect.
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For you, maybe. I've tried all sizes as well and find 8.9 perfect for me. But sometimes, like when sitting on a sofa or showing photos around, a larger tablet would be handy.
That's the beauty of Android - choice. Bring on multiple sizes! I'd love a higher pixel density - photos and small text look a lot sharper.
I don't care what kind of chipset or resolution will it be for the next Samsung tablet. Because for sure it is better than the current one (Tab 10.1)
But, I really want to increase my memory capacity with microSD instead of relying on current amount of it. Samsung can give to 7.0plus and 7.7 with this ability.. But why their big brothers (8.9 and 10.1) don't have one? Well, I can sync my music collection via Google Music. How about movies? This is the only situation that almost made me went to XOOM. Please Samsung...
To faridaizudden: I know it is not a perfect solution but I use the samsung adapter with a 32gig sdcard. I keep all the movies on that. The other option is to use dropbox or sugarsync to store movies and stuff. Then just download when needed.