Database Users

Athena 2, Thoth, thoth 100 - When will it be available

Good day,
I am a current X7501 user on ATT in the USA and wonder if anyone has an update a to when the next Athena will become available in the US that will work on the ATT’s wireless network?
Of course asking HTC got me the usual "We will be glad to assist you with this question.... unfortunately we cannot comment on yet to be released products"
Anyone have anything they would care to share?
Also curious if MS Voice command will work with WM 6.5?
Thanks in advance for your response(s).
Claude H.

I have read on the internet that HTC have scrapped plans to make the Toth (at least as we know it as a 5 inch device). The HTC Leo is supposedly its successor and a 4.3 inch clamshell device. I hope I am wrong but that is my understanding.

I heard the same thing
So sad! I've been saving my pennies for its supposed release this year... we'll see :\
I <3 my athena!

I mentioned this before based on my observations...because of poor sales of the X7510...HTC might be reluctant to add a successor to the Athena line. You can't blame the public, HTC's designers are stupid to think that a few additions to the X7510 will make it a hit. Not to mention their stupid idea of taking off the hardware buttons and joystick design.
The HTC Leo...according to others will probably have a slider keyboard. To be honest, I prefer a clamshell type. Nonetheless the specs are marvelous. Let us hope the device actually will be mass produced then released to the public, and not just be left on the drawing board.
I still am hoping that HTC will release a proper successor to the HTC Universal with a powerful processor in clamshell design.

Thanks for the info.
I am looking forward to a large screen WM HTC phone to replace my x7501. Leo or Thoth seem to fit the bill at the moment. I did not see any other large screen WM phones about, so HTC it is.
Anyone have a clue as to when either might hit the sales channel and/or if ATT will pick up the Leo as an offeing or not.
I did not find any info on ETA for either phone on the net.
Thanks people for your input n this.
BTW: Did you all hear about WM 6.5 including "TellMe" voice command software. Too cool.
Thanks,
Claude H.
Claude H.

Anyone have any more news or infor on the Thoth or Leo?

The HTC Leo doesn't appear to be a clamshell, and I doubt a keyboard, but September may reveal more info and whether there will be a Thoth.
I suspect that the Thoth if it does come out (and I hope it will), will be the same specification as the Leo, but of course the larger screen, but the larger battery is the greatest benefit.
http://ai.rs/2009/08/htc-leo-picures-surface/
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/14/htc-leo-rendered-again-maybe-by-htc-more-likely-by-fans/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/latest-htc-leo-render-seemingly-confirmed-by-leaked-rom/

Do you have any news?
I am waiting for the Thoth... I hope they will release it and I hope it will have normale audio in addition to stereo speakerphones... I have an Athena 7500 and when my bluetooth ends its battery I am always lost... the size of the Thoth will make it a killer app!!

It would be a smart move for HTC to reconsider development of the Thoth 100. They seem to have been ahead of their time in maxed-out, big-screened mobile os gadgets game, I.e. now we have the iPad, the maxed out iphone, the dell mini 5, the maxed out android, the samsung mondi, the maxed out winmo classic, all pretty much filling in the nitch that the Athena, the maxed-out winmo professional pioneered.
Now would definitely be a great time for them to remind us of this fact with the Thoth 100, marketted as the original mega-convergent device that's also, as was always, still a kindle killer.
C'mon htc!

Yeah, I am really dissappointed that we didn't see something at CES. Maybe the Euro mobile phone world congress? It is less than 2 weeks off...

USA version of Galaxy S looks so much better :(

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
But Samsung didn't think this is enough so they threw a gyrscope inside just like the one in iPhone 4
In addition, the Samsung Captivate is designed with a six-axis sensor that combines the smartphone's accelerometer and gyroscope to provide a smooth, fluid gaming experience
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/17/samsung-captivate-is-atandts-version-of-the-galaxy-s-launching/

I much prefer the i9000

Meh who needs a gyroscope anyways?

Hah would be funny to find that people outside the USA prefer that design and the Americans preferring the international version.

Theme appears less iphoney

Looks like an old Palm device I threw away 5 years ago.
I may end up with it, but based on that picture, I don't think its attractive at all.
If the I90000 looks iPhonish, who cares? It looks better than this.
That won't stop me from buying it. Depending on the issues around locking down apps to just the Market, and what Verizon ends up with from the Galaxy...that will determine which one I end up with.
Unless someone can convince me there is a good reason to stay on AT&T over Verizon, based on the carrier technology, not the complaints about AT&T's lousy coverage. Their coverage is great where I would need it. (At least now it is).

i prefer the i9000
the american version looks like a blackberry ...

BuddyLee said:
i prefer the i9000
the american version looks like a blackberry ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think I prefer the EU version as well - it might be because I've just gotten used to the looks of it already. To me the US version reminds me of the Touch HD which is a phone I absolutely hated.

It depends on the dimensions and whether it has a flash - neither of which are stated.

Like I said in the other thread, there's no way AT&T would allow another phone closely resemble the iPhone AND have specs to directly compete with it and possibly blow it out of the water. Hence the removal of the front camera, possible gimping, and changing the looks.

It reminds me of this ..

I prefer the 3 button setup with hardware home key in the middle. First, it can be used to unlock, no need to fiddle with your thumb on the side. Second, it helps using the other two keys without looking.
Who really needs a search key anyway? And if you need it, just hold the menu key a little longer, and there you are.

we should have had a poll. like the att version alot. curious if the tmobile one is gonna be redesigned, especially since the sprint one also has four buttons up front.

Not to mention the hardware keyboard

No-one else thinks that it looks exactly like the Looks Xperia X10?...
fork! Annoying that I can't post images/urls. I wanna put the first image next to this one img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/XperiaX10_450x550.jpg

Looks a lot nicer than the standard version to me (and I'm not in the US!). The standard one looks like it's trying too hard to ape the iPhone, and not the new one either.
The AT&T site shows the back, which does not have a flash:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/samsung-captivate.jsp
I'd definitely prefer this one - 16GB Flash (Vodafone exclusive in the UK) and a gyroscope, with better styling. It might not have a front camera, but it doesn't have a chocolate teapot attachment either and I care about the same amount for both of those features. (Well, to be fair, I could eat the chocolate - that would serve more of a purpose.) I've had phones with front-facing cameras for three years and have never made or received a video call over 3G, or had any desire to do so.

this doesn't look hot. i like the 9000 better

looks like a mini dell mini5 streak
pun intended

Biggest question for me, since both of them have slight variance in hardware like no front-camera and gyroscope, will a single rom cooked for 1 version work for both versions?
Because thats huge. It would fragment the Euro and USA rom cookers.

US Version looks way better and it has all 4 capacitive buttons, which would make running custom software a little easier. Booo @ removing the front facing camera.

[Q] So, this is basically a Defy?

I was wondering if this is basically a Defy but for AT&T and without all the extra ruggedness. The two phones look a lot alike.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

The main differences:
The bravo has (Compared to Defy):
3.15 MP camera (Instead of 5MP)
109.5 x 63 x 13.3 mm (Instead of 107 x 59 x 13.4 mm)
No active noise cancelation (Instead of crystaltalk)
And some other points like the gorilla glass, IP 67 standard, image stabilization (?) are missing.
Some videos on youtube looked laggy...might be because of the live wallpaper they used (same CPU as the Defy)
i don't know about the price, but the Defy is the way to go if i had to choose.

Played with them both yesterday, and ended up going home with a Bravo. The Defy always seemed laggy, whereas the Bravo only got laggy with certain live wallpapers turned on. Thought they would be exactly the same performance wise, but it didn't end up that way. I'd like gorrila glass and all that ruggedness, but at the end of the day i'd prefer a snappy phone. Now i just gotta wait for the people on here to start doing their thing so i can get rid of all these useless AT&T branded apps.

FYI, I actually managed to get rid of all AT&T branded apps, including AT&T address book using Titanium Backup.

Removing AT&T apps
I'm an employee of at&T and I found a way to remove them the same way with Ti Backup after a root on my Bravo (shhhhh)...pretty simple with one touch after Ti is on your phone. Have to say, after reading all these posts and such I do feel like AT&T could do a better job of lightening the restrictions on the android platform. It's because we have a large handful of "buy this anyway" customers that don't have the full interest of customizing android the way it's supposed to be. I talk to customers on a daily basis about the benefits while they stare at me like I'm Yoda. I'm already submitting service forms in the hopes that AT&T will listen when I say lift the restrictions...that is all. BTW, someone get some ROMs for this thing.

Does getting rid of the AT&T apps improve your phones performance?
Also, I just got this little Bravo and I love it! I already have a Captivate and an Aria and this guy beats them both. Best performance, best battery, great screen, and perfect size for me.

bullet358 said:
I'm an employee of at&T and I found a way to remove them the same way with Ti Backup after a root on my Bravo (shhhhh)...pretty simple with one touch after Ti is on your phone. Have to say, after reading all these posts and such I do feel like AT&T could do a better job of lightening the restrictions on the android platform. It's because we have a large handful of "buy this anyway" customers that don't have the full interest of customizing android the way it's supposed to be. I talk to customers on a daily basis about the benefits while they stare at me like I'm Yoda. I'm already submitting service forms in the hopes that AT&T will listen when I say lift the restrictions...that is all. BTW, someone get some ROMs for this thing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had a Bravo for about a month and I got tired of waiting.
Unfortunately, I found most member on Motorola's own Bravo support forum are very ..."defensive". They tried to make sense out of their choice, rather than, speak up for the truth.
I'd admit I am a die-hard Moto fan, but I am not about stick to something that is not going to happen...... ( I doubt Bravo is getting 2.2, same broken promised of my Cliq XT )
Word of advice.... sell your Bravo, ebay or craigslist, and get yourself a Defy.
I am so glad that I did! It is like upgrading your PC from Vista to W7 with SSD.

They both have gorilla glass.

Yes they both have gorilla glass and they are essentially the same phone, my wife has the bravo, I HAD the Defy, just upgraded to the Atrix. The only fundamental difference is the added water/dust proofing on the Defy. Both the amount of on-board data storage, I believe the Defy has "2Gb" and the Bravo has "2Gb" of storage, as well as processors, are identical - both have 800Mhz processors, they run at almost identical speeds.

Defy has flash for camera and an additional button function on face plate.
Also most posts I have seen seems that Defy is a non US issue phone. There are sbf files and even roms for the Defy so it "maybe" possible to use the Defy roms on the Bravo.
Posting for some info into this possibility on the Defy forum has not revealed tuned out any response.

Xiaomi MI-2

http://asia.cnet.com/xiaomi-mi2-quad-core-android-smartphone-announced-62218345.htm
http://miuiandroid.com/community/threads/first-photos-of-the-xiaomi-mi-2.17591/
I think I just found my new phone, upgrading from SGS2. The specs blow away any phone right now.
* Qualcomm 8064 CPU (Quadcore)
* 2GB RAM
* 16GB ROM
* Graphics processing comparable to the XBOX 360 (Adreno 320 graphics chip)
* 2000 mAh 3000 mAh battery upgrades
* 4.3 inches high PPI retina screen, 1280x720 resolution. The touch screen to do (the OGS / TOL), the single glass fit technology, Ultra Narrow design to protect the glass.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Not sure if it has expandable storage. But by currency conversion it works out: $315/£200!!
Should be released in October. Hope it works in UK

Nice phone! If only we could get it for under $400 shipped in USA. Hopefully works for T-Mobile....

even anand is blown away
Xiaomi Mi-2 - the worlds fastest smartphone with xbox 360 graphics
Impressive specs
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...nnounces-miui-phone-mitwo-with-apq8064-inside
http://www.xiaomi.com/mi2
90fps

I wonder if this will have solid rom AOSP/ROM support... you might imagine so considering it's running MIUI out of the box.
Also, battery life.

Will it have an english MIUI available though?

Great specs, especially love the option for 3000mAh albeit with an extra 2mm thickness. But no mention of an SD card slot?? 16GB inside is fine but not enough for me on the whole.

I want one so bad! Hopefully we can manage to get them here in the US for under $400... It's beautiful.

MicShadow said:
Will it have an english MIUI available though?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes it will.
Just wondering if it will work in the UK

Based on what I've read, don't expect to get your hands on it until the specs are no longer a wow factor.
Apparently this company has some very interesting marketing strategies, the price is apparently more so an initial head turner and far from permanent. Supply is also iffy.
Sent from my SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2

Only missing feature is NFC, but hard to complain about at that price with those specs. Even if it comes in at $450 or so in the end that's around the Xperia P range so not out of sorts. We'll see if they release the goodies for the devs to tinker with.

Has this gone on sale in China? Maybe one of the Chinese users could clear our queries with regards to this phone. I'm chiefly concerned about the following things:
1. English support (should mostly have)
2. AOSP support (almost certainly might have)
3. Build quality and spares!!
Damn it I live in India and we are China's neighbours. Start selling you phones here guys!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30418051#post30418051

lnfound said:
Based on what I've read, don't expect to get your hands on it until the specs are no longer a wow factor.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Disagree, for that price it will be a wow factor at that time of release and a few months after release

you can get it here & also post & ask some questions, looks like a reliable dealer
http://www.androidforcheap.com/xiao...creen-wifi-gps-android-40-os-phone-p-464.html
I'm giving this a try :silly:
http://www.androidforcheap.com/note...3-os-wcdma-3g-gps-wifi-smart-phone-p-310.html
or this
http://www.androidforcheap.com/i930...-pixel-camera-micro-sim-card-phone-p-453.html
amazing what they can produce here :cyclops:

don't expect aosp support as they will probably never release the kernel source. the first one was okay... many of my friends have them but.although they get updates every week they still seem to be only about 75 stable.. the new one has me interested from a cheap hardware angle but I like beingable to choose my own Rom

@joshofbass
what do you mean by "they still seem to be only about 75 stable"?
reboots? freeze? I need a dual sim so that i don't have to lug around 3 phones

NFC??
Does anyone know if the MI-2 supports NFC technology?
I have seen many websites which write the specs and other useful information,but none is mentioning whether or not it has a nfc chip.

NFC is not listed in the specs on the official homepage. Neither is microsd support, btw ...

the best phone!

mengfei said:
you can get it here & also post & ask some questions, looks like a reliable dealer
http://www.androidforcheap.com/xiao...creen-wifi-gps-android-40-os-phone-p-464.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Already sold out

Ok that settles it, this is the best phone ever created.

Ok so I entered into the Android world with an original Atrix. I was wowed by the "dual core processor". That phone was horrible.
I stayed with Android however and clang to Samsung for a year or so. I recently became fed up with my One X and S3 and was looking for something with better build quality. I found the Atrix HD. It's build quality was superior to the S3 and I much prefer on screen buttons. Obviously the One X had hardware buttons as well, which bugged me, but what really bugged me about the One X is that after 2 weeks, the beauitiful matte finish on the back started to wear off. This made the phone look uneven and cheap on the back with some parts shiny and others matte. I was completely tired of dealing with Android phones with poor build quality.Even the Atrix wasn't perfect, the damn sim door squeaked everytime you touched it, I actually thought about gluing it closed. Thats how much it bugged me. I am still spoiled by my Apple products that I used to own (NEVER AGAIN), but I love Android and would never go back to iOS. You have to admit the iPhone is a solid device hardware wise.
I then stumbled across the RAZR HD in a Verizon store. This was the best quality Android phone I had ever seen. I was sad that I could not buy it, as I have AT&T. It didn't take long for me to figure out that I could get one from Canada (Rogers) and it would work just fine with AT&T. After searching for weeks I FINALLY won a reasonable eBay auction.
My phone arrived today. This makes my Atrix look like a toy. This is the most solid and well built Android device I have ever seen. Certainly right there with the iPhone, if not better. I also was suprised to see that this phone has a much better camera than the Atrix as well. Also the speaker is the loudest and clearest I have come across. My co workers thought I was blasting a laptop earlier it was so loud. Totally blown away with this phone.
In my opinion this phone can not be touched right now. Sure there are phones on the market that have quad cores and twice the RAM, but I bet you those same phones don't have the build quality of this one. And if they even come close, there will be something else lacking, such as the camera or speaker (Optimus G). It just seems that the RAZR HD is good in every single category a phone can be.
I really hope motorola keeps this up and I can't wait to see whats next.

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
...

You see him trollin, you hatin? ^.^

I agree. This is the best phone I've ever used.
Consumer Reports have at the best Verizon phone available.

This is the best phone I've used as well, but my only other smartphone was a Motorola Defy, and while long in the tooth now, an avid development community on this forum has kept it going. It'll be getting 4.2 before my RazrHD gets 4.1, at this rate. Actually, scratch that, CyanogenMod 4.2 on Defy is at about the same stage as 4.1 for RazrHD.
Just waiting for the software to catch up with the hardware. I miss Jelly Bean, but I don't want an early alpha on my phone again, I use it for work.

BinarySauce said:
...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol

Yep I think without a question the Razr Maxx HD is the best Android out. The build quality cannot be touched by samsung and htc sure there are quad core phones out but as someone pointed out they are running heavy touchwiz or sense skins that use up resources. I love it how close to stock android the RAZR is, its not like touchwiz and sense where you have to throw on a launcher just to get a decent experience.