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Hello all, after toying arround a little bit with themes and everything definatly have become really confident in modification of the G1 file system. I am currently in school for Computer Science with East Stroudsburg Universty figured that I would lend my hand into rom development. Have been reading alot on android development toolkits and stuff and have recomplied some other ones to support ext3 and you guys are right much more reliable. Seems like there is already great 1.5 roms that are complete and great i don't know how that I would be able to improve on them other then putting on some of the HTC programs. The Ion is a great build trying to copy some things from Hero to Ion and not playing well going to try and tweak Hero maybe but need some help like where to find more information about possibly getting Bluetooth working I think it may just be as simple as changing a device ID. Did make Hero a little bit but there is the watermark thing to worry about so that i won't make available yet and especially is still glitchy and no bluetooth. Just looking for direction on what can be done further. Trying to take place of haykuro and see if can lend a helping hend although I know I won't be able to fill his shoes and all. But I also wanted to take a crack on Hero build if anyone might be able to give me a lending hand and point the right direction I want to try and get that running with the Rosie UI and Bluetooth but need some files and help. Anything would be greatly appreciated can pm me anytime. Looking forward to being a biger contributer here. So just any points towards rom development would be appreciated again. Sorry though if this is the wrong section.

The thing i like most about hero beta 4 is the exchange support. i'd love to see the exchange support on the ion rom with all its speed goodness.

I don't think any of us would be able to help you with files for Hero, and the Rosie UI. If you manage to get a Hero build with the Rosie UI somehow and then make it usable without any traceable files then that should be a start for making a name for yourself, but as you can see getting a Hero rom with the Rosie UI would be quite difficult.

This great if you take a look at the "He didnt do it! I did!" thread you can see the people who helped haykuro. I would say to try to get in contact with these people.
I support you all the way.

haykuro
Why dont you try contacting haykuro himself. Though I would be surprized if he was whilling to give up that info its worth a shot.

Yeh The traceable data in Hero is a big problem and I don't think that there is one currently without it yet. I understand how it is I am just unsure of how to get arround it. I don't have the Rosie data and that would be a future thing anyway. Looking over code from google there is alot to understand and I have a basic concept of most of it just need to know how that they interact with each other a little better. As far as exchange support that uses alot of HTCs stuff so on a Ion build would be hard since you would need to have the HTC binaries instead which is a little difficult.

[Q] Total Noob - A bit of help please?

I just bought my HTC Desire HD the other day.
Very happy with it!
I got one of the models with the camera sitting incorrectly, and the loose camera ringy thingy...
I'm contacting Vodafone about that... is that correct? Or do I contact HTC?
ANYWAY!
My actual question is that I'd like to get rid of the 'Vodafone-ness' - how do I do it?
There are some guides in the developers forum, but they all start from someone with at least a little bit of knowledge.
This is both my first Android and smart phone - prior to this I had a Sony Ericsson T707.
So I am in completely new territory.
If someone could please explain - or point me to - a guide for absolute begginners where I can learn about things and stuff so I can know what is being talked about on some of the more technical threads on this forum I would appreciate it very very much.
Also, I can't decide what I would like to do with my DHD, whether or not to put stock standard Android, or the Android with HTC Sense or not.
I really like the music player that came with this phone, can I get that on Android without the rest of Sense?
What is Android like without Sense?
Thank you.

Android is pretty much what you make of it, so if you are looking for an alternative to Sense, my recommendation is Launcher Pro or AWD Launcher.
I came from Motorola Milestone with Launcher Pro and I was quite happy with it (happy with Launcher Pro, not Motorola), but I like DHD Sense experience and so far, I am sticking to it. All Sense widgets are integral part of Sense and cannot be used without it. But if you want a decent music app outside Sense, I would suggest Cubed (aka 3) music player - great player, nice UI a cool widgets with album art.
You can always apply a new skin to Sense - that could override some of the DHD branding.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801928
I think you should start by rooting your phone with Visionary+ r12 and gradually build your expertize. I am quite a noob myself. But part of the Android experience is exploring what is and what is not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837519
Rooting and getting a decent file explorer is good start, and then just go through the forums and try to follow the guides that you are confident with.
Good luck!

A general discussion about an idea that makes perfect sense...

Now, I appreciate everything that these devs have had to offer. I've tried different Custom Roms (With Core Cell 3 being the most stable I've experienced, outside of the annoying Opera Mamory bug)...Android builds...and all that great efforts you guys Put forth.
I look at all these threads and Roms and see the same thing over and over...bugs...bugs....and more bugs...
The most stable Windows Rom I've truly experience is the stock one...lol...not being a smart a$$ at all. Everything just works. Take a registry editor to it and it's provided the most stable platform with Core Cell 3 a hair away from it.
Now, with Android, I see constant bug reports. I mean, people seem to have a great appreciation for the builds and love them, but it always follows up with a major bug...or even worse...lots of little bugs.
What I don't understand is why don't all you devs get together and build the "XDA" Custom Rom or "XDA" Android build that gets undiveded attention and all resources so to make it truly BUG free? Once that has been accomplished...then we can go ahead and try these test builds and play with them...
Now, I say this with a great deal of respect, having worked with developers before I know how fragile the ego's can be
It's also my experience with those same developers that taught me complete focus of resources surfaced the best result.
I mean, an effort like that is something I would pay...eeerrrrr....donate too.
Android seems to be the future for the HD2, at least I think so...some may have a different opinion...that's cool. But as much as I actually like WinMo 6.5...and WinMO 7 showing signs of being a demo at best on the HD2, Android has a future.
I think it would be a great idea for you guys to focus on one thing at a time until it's at a state you can consider it marketable...not that I'm saying that's what you should do...sell things and all.
I would even think it would be cool to take WinMo 6.5 and change it into something completely different and better than what Microsoft settled for...I always promote making Big Brother look silly with a superior view of their own product.
My point is...no matter what platform or approach...get together on it...I bet the result would be far more productive.
I fear though that this idea...no matter how much sense it makes...will not come to fruition...WHAT THE DEUCE!
Looking forward to your thoughts.

well i came up with this idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902534 and would need a thew devs to work on it,about having our own unoficiall Android Rom,Something wich we can say is our own HD2 rom not direct ports if you know were im coming from and pretty much bug free and stable and fast.i know a thew devs came together to create nand so why not do it to create a rom

Thew?
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Hah, bug free... That's an interesting idea. The last bug free thing I saw was my Nokia 3210. Since then even my microwave ovens get bugs.

The devs do work together for the most part... different problems get solved by different devs, and they credit each other. I think its amazing what they've accomplished. You should be more than happy with how well we have a port working. I never thought it would get as good as it has, especially as quick as it has. Just look at the Raphael or blackstone... they've been working on ports for those devices for years and are nowhere close to where we are, and might never be.
The devs are doing what they can. This is their hobby... they're gonna work on what interests them. You can't expect them to all work on what you want them to... they would lose interest and we wouldn't have so much innovation. Plus a little competition can bring the best out of a person.
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Well most of the bugs in Android are at the kernel level, and there is already a group of developers working on that same piece of software together.
You also have to keep in mind, as other users in this thread have already said, that no software will be without bugs.

I guess...I just know with absolute confidence this idea will work best. Nonetheless, I understand. Also, it's not what I want?...its about completing a task these forums have already put in motion...just at a more effective manor.

i want sense build base on desire hd or z
its will be lite enuf to run from RAM and boot fast
the Data.img will be backed up in the nand but will work from SD card for better performance
that's what i think is perfect to me
RAM gives boot time and less battery drain
data.img on nand and sd card is for better iops and for backuping ur info fast with CWM
u can remove anything u dont use cos it wont be in the RAM
all most important things like email / messages / people browser will run from RAM to get the speed-est performance

As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!

Personally, I think this is a bad idea.
I'm very happy to have multiple developers all working on different projects and supplying us with different ROMs. For example, I hate HTC Sense and prefer stock Android, but lots of people disagree with that and think Sense builds are superior.
If all the devs worked on only 1 ROM then that's all we'd have. 1 ROM. My phone would be the same as yours, and yours would be the same as every other person on the forum. That would be pretty darn boring! If you ask me, more choice is better.
"If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other."

I never said stop working on different flavors of Roms. Just focus on an XDA Rom. Once refined, let the flavors flow...right?

You know, I approach this topic from a respective and open discussion approach with an expressed curiosity at most and the best you can do is confuse it for moaning?
It's guys like you that start all the flaming, when you have people who are simply exchanging ideas.
There's always a few out of the bunch that can't resist being abrasive aka a$$holes while others are just chatting.
AGxM said:
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
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How many roms do we need ?

I am a big fan of flashing my phone every chance i get but lately i found most the roms available are all polluted by sense 3.0. All of them have sense 3.0 lock, weather,task manager and sense 2.1 !!
please dont take me wrong its good to have many roms but there should be some thing unique .All the roms are a subset of either Lee,MDJ or stock kernel ! which only have slight difference between them.
when i started flashin rom's there was either Lee's UV stock rom's, mike's revolution rom give similar to stock experience or core driod which was a fully modded stock rom. there enough difference between all of the to set them apart.
Why not all the dev's who are coming out with so many alike rom's team up and help in getting sense 3.0 properly ported rather then only RCMIX team working on it?
Just my two cents....

What about cyanogen mod...just saying
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Tired of sense rom.. tried miui for a new experience and was quite satisfied with it..
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thanks for your replies guys.
your right CM and MIUI are worthy alternatives which i have tried and found very good.
But what i find annoying is all of the respective dev's concentrating on the same sense 2.1 roms with sense 3.0 stuff on it. I really dont see any difference in any of them. I am now back to using RCMIX 5.9 which is a prefectly good rom with all the sense 3.0 addons released by seo on it !!! the best part of it is i can enjoy excellent speed of 5.9 , with out the glitches of the other sense 3.0 baked in rom's.
Almost tempts me to release this customized 5.9 rom and pollute already polluted pool of rom's !
I am not demanding dev's to work on some thing they don't want to work on, i understand they are contributing there skills at the expense of there valuable time but if only some of them could work on honeycomb port or ubuntu or even xperia rom ports.
PS: I respect all dev's contributing on the forum my thread is no means an hate or a demand thread.
Just my two cents .....

as many as we can get?
I think that's what make Android different. We have the power to do anything with *our* phone. Well, in my case I can just enjoy what the devs cook.
Really appreciate the choices we have, and kudos to all the hardworking devs!

Have you tried HoneySenseHD? Its HTC Sense not as you know it.

Instead of *****ing about it, why not get off yer ass and make one?
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I am thankful to the devs. But if I don't like the direction they go, or the stuff they do I don't use it. I don't whine in the general forum about how I wish... If I am gonna wish, I wish I was the owner of the girls Swedish volleyball team.
Just my two cents.

srikanth.naidu said:
I am not demanding dev's to work on some thing they don't want to work on, i understand they are contributing there skills at the expense of there valuable time but if only some of them could work on honeycomb port or ubuntu or even xperia rom ports.
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I understand what you are saying, but we should be greatful that unlike a lot of phones the DHD has plenty of choices and will most likely be supported by the community until our contracts are due for renewal.
AFAIK an Ubuntu port already exists and I would question the value of a honeycomb port.

OP, I'm hearing you. I am personally also not a fan of Sense 3.0, there just seem to be too many issues and bugs.
But think about it from the cook's POV... Sense 3.0 isn't meant to be properly out and yet they've managed to include it into the ROM of their own making. It's an achievement to be proud of, certainly. But for people like you and I, it just means maybe being a bit more discerning or choosing an older ROM.
Like kedai said, the difference Android has is that we can actually do this, we can change and customise pretty much anything about our phones.

Honeysense HD is the best Rom I have used with Sense 3.0, well most of Sense 3.0. Haven't had any issues.
Plus it looks awesome
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tweaked said:
Instead of *****ing about it, why not get off yer ass and make one?
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I am thankful to the devs. But if I don't like the direction they go, or the stuff they do I don't use it. I don't whine in the general forum about how I wish... If I am gonna wish, I wish I was the owner of the girls Swedish volleyball team.
Just my two cents.
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Its called freedom of speech ! google it.
I am not winning about what i don't like or what i want, i'm not even indicating that dev's are doing some thing wrong which i dont like. I just pointed out how most of the roms now are alike.
Thank's for other's that have replied and shared there view's.

What I don’t understand is how people that just throw things together using existing tools, and not know any type of coding what so ever (or just know high school level visual basic), are allowed to be called DEV's.
Though porting can be a tedious job, there are many many things that go unresolved in existing roms, and updates consist of updated apps, or throwing in updated edits that OTHER people have actually made. EG: most of the sense 3.0 add-ons we see in almost all of the available roms were fixed up by half a dozen people or less (like Seo, Krzysiec, and MDJ to name a few)
Last thing I remember learning in university, in software engineering, was when creating something, make it as close to a final product as possible, then test, edit, retest, edit, release.
If you're editing something, do it right, and finish it before you release, not half ass something and say it’s done.
A thanks goes out to all the REAL dev's that are actually improving their own work, fixing errors of their previous edits when they are found.

XifeX said:
Honeysense HD is the best Rom I have used with Sense 3.0, well most of Sense 3.0. Haven't had any issues.
Plus it looks awesome
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Thanks will give it a run.

i second this
JSLEnterprises said:
What I don’t understand is how people that just throw things together using existing tools, and not know any type of coding what so ever (or just know high school level visual basic), are allowed to be called DEV's.
Though porting can be a tedious job, there are many many things that go unresolved in existing roms, and updates consist of updated apps, or throwing in updated edits that OTHER people have actually made. EG: most of the sense 3.0 add-ons we see in almost all of the available roms were fixed up by half a dozen people or less (like Seo, Krzysiec, and MDJ to name a few)
Last thing I remember learning in university, in software engineering, was when creating something, make it as close to a final product as possible, then test, edit, retest, edit, release.
If you're editing something, do it right, and finish it before you release, not half ass something and say it’s done.
A thanks goes out to all the REAL dev's that are actually improving their own work, fixing errors of their previous edits when they are found.
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The more roms the better. I love changing roms as often as possible. It makes me feel tech savvy lol. There's loads of widgets you can get if you want to change things around a bit so its all good.
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[Q] HTC Sense apks and libs? (for use in building one's own rom)

Hello all. It's me with questions again ;-) (Yeah I was that kid in class)
My question is about getting my hands on apks and libs for HTC Sense (in particular Sense 3.5 or latest builds) for use in building my own personal rom at least. I just found the tut on android rom building and I've always had a passion for wanting to do this, even with WinMo, but never got the opportunity.
I personally like ACA rom, but I am in lust with Sense (if it were female it would be molested). I tried one Sense 3.5 rom, but found it very not "everyday" useable, which curved my thinking to this. My thinking is I would like to just join the two (ACA & Sense 3.5) in wholly matrimony, along with some misc tweaks, apps, and scripts ACA doesn't have that I've come to realize in my two weeks of serious Androiding that are necessary.
Can someone point me in the right direction? Even if its not possible or extremely hard to integrate, I would like to hear about it.
thanks,
D.