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Ask any audiophile, onboard digital processing done ruins your sound.
turning beats off improves clarity, and volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7j06aYYkzdQ#t=236s
bob13bob said:
Ask any audiophile, onboard digital processing done ruins your sound.
turning beats off improves clarity, and volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7j06aYYkzdQ#t=236s
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I've got to disagree.
When I have beats on, not all the songs sound quieter, only some.
With regards to clarity, i feel that with Beats audio, everything is more compressed. Without Beats enabled, i feel like the music is playing in a large auditorium and the sound is slightly messy.
But at that, I'm going to say I'm not an audiophile by any stretch of the imagination, and my above applies to speakers (haven't tested headphones yet).
So with speakers, I'd definitely rather keep beats enabled.
Lemme find my S4i's and ill get back to you on headphone quality
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Interestingly enough, I've gone through snippets of 10 or so songs and beats enabled was louder in every instance!
Clarity was similar, but i prefer the sound from the Beats enabled option.
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Ask any audiophile, onboard digital processing done ruins your sound.
turning beats off improves clarity, and volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7j06aYYkzdQ#t=236s
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As WolfDale7 said, the volume actually being lower is not all that common. That guy in the YouTube video cherry picked a highly mechanized trance song to prove his point. But I'd say for about 75% of songs, Beats does make it louder.
I do agree with you about the clarity, but your statement is only true if you've got good speakers/headphones/earphones that don't require equalization to sound good. I own a pair of Ultimate Ear TripleFi 10 and I keep Beats off to preserve the original natural sound of the recording without added bass/treble, because these are high quality earphones that don't require equalization, particularly at higher volumes. If I enable Beats at higher volumes, the treble is too harsh and the middle-bass is too overpowering.
However, that being said, there are plenty of cheaper/lesser quality headphones/earphones that DO sound better with Beats enabled, because it partially makes up for their shortcomings. Cheaper earphones whose high frequencies roll off too soon sound a bit dull, and Beats does help in those situations. Earphones that can't produce low frequencies very well (below 80 hz) do sound better to a lot of people if you accentuate the middle-bass range of 100-150 Hz or so. Plus, some people do prefer the extra "punch" that Beats offers, especially in low bass recordings (such as a lot of stuff from the 80's).
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I do agree with you, but your statement is only true if you've got good speakers/headphones/earphones that don't require equalization to sound good. I own a pair of Ultimate Ear TripleFi 10 and I keep Beats off to preserve the original natural sound of the recording without added bass/treble, because these are high quality earphones that don't require equalization, particularly at higher volumes. If I enable Beats at higher volumes, the treble is too harsh and the middle-bass is too overpowering.
However, that being said, there are plenty of cheaper/lesser quality headphones/earphones that DO sound better with Beats enabled, because it partially makes up for their shortcomings. Cheaper earphones whose high frequencies roll off too soon sound a bit dull, and Beats does help in those situations. Earphones that can't produce low frequencies very well (below 80 hz) do sound better to a lot of people if you accentuate the middle-bass range of 100-150 Hz or so. Plus, some people do prefer to extra "punch" that Beats offers, especially in low bass recordings (such as a lot of stuff from the 80's).
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psa 2. you bought a $600 phone. go to head-fi and get one of the value budget audiophile quality headphones under $50. (I like the chinese brands). It is the defacto the best bang/buck audio improvement quality you can get by a huge margin.
When you turn processing on, you can help mask poor quality headphones... but it will also reduce clarity
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However, that being said, there are plenty of cheaper/lesser quality headphones/earphones that DO sound better with Beats enabled, because it partially makes up for their shortcomings. Cheaper earphones whose high frequencies roll off too soon sound a bit dull, and Beats does help in those situations. Earphones that can't produce low frequencies very well (below 80 hz) do sound better to a lot of people if you accentuate the middle-bass range of 100-150 Hz or so. Plus, some people do prefer to extra "punch" that Beats offers, especially in low bass recordings (such as a lot of stuff from the 80's).
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If i might add something. I'm using the Klipsch S4i set of earphones. The S4i's are capable of a frequency response of 10Hz to 19kHz. Maybe it's the lower quality files I have, but I'm sure the S4i's can handle the <80hz range just fine.
As mentioned above, I personally prefer listening to music with Beats enabled, with and without earphones.
I must say that with Beats enabled, almost everything sounds better. And this is coming from a guy who despises beats headphones.
But i dont know much about music production... So my views shouldn't really be taken too seriously .
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psa 2. you bought a $600 phone. go to head-fi and get one of the value budget audiophile quality headphones under $50. (I like the chinese brands). It is the defacto the best bang/buck audio improvement quality you can get by a huge margin.
When you turn processing on, you can help cover the poor quality headphones... but it will also reduce quality.
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Your last statement is an oxymoron - it will cover the poor quality of headphones but will also reduce quality? If the overall net effect is a general improvement in sound to the user, then Beats has done its job.
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If i might add something. I'm using the Klipsch S4i set of earphones. The S4i's are capable of a frequency response of 10Hz to 19kHz. Maybe it's the lower quality files I have, but I'm sure the S4i's can handle the <80hz range just fine.
As mentioned above, I personally prefer listening to music with Beats enabled, with and without earphones.
I must say that with Beats enabled, almost everything sounds better. And this is coming from a guy who despises beats headphones.
But i dont know much about music production... So my views shouldn't really be taken too seriously .
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s4i are known for poor bass and low end response. I had them, they are not good for music with bass. they are pretty old and I dont' see the recommended much these days in head-fi.
i think a lot will disagree, the quality especially for the stereo speakers is greatly improved with beats
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Your last statement is an oxymoron - it will cover the poor quality of headphones but will also reduce quality? If the overall net effect is a general improvement in sound to the user, then Beats has done its job.
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you are right, i meant to say clarity. I edited my statement to be more clear.
I don't pretend to understand the argument in depth just know that the majority of times audio sounds better with beats on to me.
But I use my old s3 headphones at the minute, prefer them to my boxed HTC ones.
So maybe a better quality pair would make all the difference.
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I have a pair of Klipsch X10 so I got all you s4 guys beat But really they sounds horrible with beats enabled. I can hear all kinds of distortion in the bass and highs it's very fatiguing and hurts the ears at anything but low volume. This is what I expected and have always experienced with "Beats" audio. But if you look at the quality of audio gear with the Beats logo it makes perfect sense!!!
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I have a pair of Klipsch X10 so I got all you s4 guys beat But really they sounds horrible with beats enabled. I can hear all kinds of distortion in the bass and highs it's very fatiguing and hurts the ears at anything but low volume. This is what I expected and have always experienced with "Beats" audio. But if you look at the quality of audio gear with the Beats logo it makes perfect sense!!!
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Nice the x10s sure are a great pair! Now here's another thing. The x10s are more accurate than my s4i's... That pretty much means that the flaws in compressed mp3 files are probably more prominent with the x10s. Maybe enabling beats amplifies them even further!
The s4i's does a better job of covering up any distortion or sound flaws than the x10s..
So yea, maybe that explains something. You get more clean audio, but if the file is average, amplifying it may make it worse..
Try a flac or wav on your phone. Maybe with Beats they'll sound alright
But none of what I said above applies if you have ready tried less compressed formats like Wav and Flac
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On my phone, I use Apple earpods (those weird looking things); they work great for casual listening.
If I wanted to seriously enjoy my music, I'm not using my phone. I'm using a proper line out source, amp, and proper cans.
most of the quality comes from the headphones. so worth getting a good pair.
this thread is a great thread for reviewed headphones in several price categories.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/mul...ed-audio-technica-ckm500-added-05-01-13-p-678
Problem is there aren't too many good sets that come with volume buttons, although that can be counter measured with headset droid (3 button presses for volume up, 4 button presses for volume down). Still not sure what set to get out of the phonak audeo's, meelec's a161p or the x10's which I hear have very suspect build quality
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Problem is there aren't too many good sets that come with volume buttons, although that can be counter measured with headset droid (3 button presses for volume up, 4 button presses for volume down). Still not sure what set to get out of the phonak audeo's, meelec's a161p or the x10's which I hear have very suspect build quality
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Off topic, but I just need to mention something:
I have the S4i's and multi click isn't working with the default music app. I have yet to test other apps like poweramp, But I think it's all the same. I think HTC devices need a bypass that require root or something...
I can pause and play, and the mic works wonderfully, but I can't skip forward twice (I do it once, then when I want to skip again, it just pauses. I have to hit play and do it again..) Same with reverse, and 4 clicks just doesn't work
Might be a faulty pair of headphones.. I'm using HeadsetDroid and the same can be said about my previous defected HTC One Unit
Why do people always bring this into play
If you hate beats, then turn it off..
If you think it actually does something then keep it on.
Everyone has different hearing..
If having beats is a deal breaker for you then why you bought the phone.
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When I stream spotify via Bluetooth to my car stereo I have to turn beats off or else it sounds crappy, almost tinny. The higher the quality of music the worse it gets.
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Beats is just an eq. Not very good either. Pumps up low frequencies too much. Not even close to what the source is supposed to sound like.
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I am also inclined to agree that Beats is just an Equalizer for Loudness. I'm using HD-25 II's and kept flicking Beats On/Off and all I could really notice was just an increase in volume.
Thankfully, I'm not missing anything with it turned off (I turned it off along with many features to preserve battery life because even though I don't know for sure, at least it's not necessary for me).
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Beats is just an eq. Not very good either. Pumps up low frequencies too much. Not even close to what the source is supposed to sound like.
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Hello there, is there any diference between audio qualify from headphones out stock vs cm?
This is the big question for me since I own a pair of NuForce NE-700M and plan to upgrade to Yamaha EPH-100, and roughly 90% of my smartphone usage is just listening to music. GSMArena shows stock playing with enjoyably low THD (I know some of you aren't too fond of their review process, though).
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Hello there, is there any diference between audio qualify from headphones out stock vs cm?
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Stock has workarounds for the cheap buds that come with the Oppo - but Dirac HD is unnecessary for decent headphones and in fact ruins the audio quality if used with good headphones. So if you use decent wired headphones you should not hear much difference if any. Some A2DP (stereo Bluetooth) devices have issues with 4.2 due to the new Bluetooth stack, however I can't reproduce this with any of my A2DP headsets.
I listen often music at home and sometimes I have to use my headphones (Fidelio)
Tested CM on Oppo which I preferred used on my HTC Sensation, but on the Oppo I am especially due to the sound quality back to Stock because in my opinion is the overall sound much better, especialy with MP3 320 kbps which I normally use. Only issue is that Stock in combination with the Faux Kernel causes sometimes a few problems.. However I have clearly to recommend the Stock for Music Lovers.. but try it - because ears and sound preferences are different
And by the way DiracHD is not only to improve cheap earphones, don't forget you have not the power of a High-End Amplifier in your pocket therfore is such a sound improvement a good way to have a much better sound on good headphones as well....
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I listen often music at home and sometimes I have to use my headphones (Fidelio)
Tested CM on Oppo which I preferred used on my HTC Sensation, but on the Oppo I am especially due to the sound quality back to Stock because in my opinion is the overall sound much better, especialy with MP3 320 kbps which I normally use. Only issue is that Stock in combination with the Faux Kernel causes sometimes a few problems.. However I have clearly to recommend the Stock for Music Lovers.. but try it - because ears and sound preferences are different
And by the way DiracHD is not only to improve cheap earphones, don't forget you have not the power of a High-End Amplifier in your pocket therfore is such a sound improvement a good way to have a much better sound on good headphones as well....
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No, DiracHD only works with cheap headphones - more specifically, *only with the cheap headphones included with the device* - it is an EQ preset that offsets the deficiencies of the OEM earbuds. Use it with anything that doesn't have the exact same frequency response and you correct for problems that aren't there - effectively creating new problems that didn't exist.
Effectively it's an audio form of RF predistortion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predistortion - Applying predistortion to anything with distortion characteristics different from what the predistortion algorithm was designed for results in increased distortion.
Well, then you agree that there is a differece between..and it depends on the headphones!
This was finally the question..
There was also somewhere a previous discussion ongoing that not each headphone works well with DIRAC due some reasons you stated before which is clear and nothing new..
But as I said, for me personally it sounds much better. Maybe are my 180 Euro headphones made of cheap quality, my ears need a doctor or I'am a promotion victim
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Well, then you agree that there is a differece between..and it depends on the headphones!
This was finally the question..
There was also somewhere a previous discussion ongoing that not each headphone works well with DIRAC due some reasons you stated before which is clear and nothing new..
But as I said, for me personally it sounds much better. Maybe are my 180 Euro headphones made of cheap quality, my ears need a doctor or I'am a promotion victim
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I got rid of my stock firmware before I had a chance to try the Dirac stuff, but it sounds like it's very similar to Beats Audio, where a lot of the lower spectrum and possibly some of the highs are boosted. This generally makes a more "fun" sound for the casual listener but a lot of more analytical listeners will feel like it ruins the sound, especially if they own earphones that already have their preferred sound signature.
So basically: If your earbuds share a similar signature to the Find 5 included buds, you'll appreciate Dirac HD's effects. Elsewise, if Dirac happens to shape your buds' signature into something you enjoy, then more power to it.
Meh. My NuForce NE-700Ms are already plenty V-shaped (my only complaint being that I have to run 4khz into the ground because it can be harsh. I still recommend them to you out there looking for a quality pair of IEMs at a decent price)
Only for information:
With the Stock Music App, which is not really bad you can switch between DIRAC, Dolby or turn every sound improvement off. But you must plug your headphone in otherwise you have in the speaker mode only a possibility to select Dolby or turn everything off..
So you can compare a little bit better how it works for you...
For all the music enthosiasts and audiophiles I am starting a thread about this amazing mod thanks to Ael kernel 2.8 from Friedrich and co/B].
Andreilux sound has been known for the galaxy S3 which made it from pretty bad to amazing sound.
The galaxy S6 has a good wolfson dac but was very poorly optimized by samsung, this mod really makes your music back to life!
I'm gonna share you guys my settings and small tutorial how to use it:
What you need is:
- Andreilux mod, Flash hacker kernel
- Vipermod (for me personally I only use it for adding more bass, which is incredible combo!)
- Download synapse app from playstore
Personal Eargasm Settings: (keep in mind this is personal, it can differ alot from headset to headset). I also like warm mid's
MAIN EQUALIZER through Synapse => Audio
Band 1 gain: +12db
Band 2 gain: +8db
Band 3 gain: +7db
Band 4 gain: +1db
Band 5 gain: +2db
Band 6 gain: +1db
Band 7 gain: +1db
Band 8 gain: leave it 0
Viper4android:
- Go to options => Ui setting => Set to expert
- Check Enable V4A-FX powered on
- Dont check firequalizer you dont need it and imo it loses some quality when using it.
- Enable VIPER bass: Bass mode natural, Bass Frequency 50hz,
- Bass boost 16.3 HZ => You chose your own it will vary from headphone to headphone, I need alot of bass to compensate my inears I used.
I recommend try these settings with instrumental genres like rock or metal.
Please share your own results if you found better/other ones!
Thanks to @AndreiLux, @friedrich420, @RJTBVK, @Quintz (info), @Mentalmuso (Weta rom) and many other I probably forgot to make this possibe :good:
I can only find AEL Kernel 2.5. Where did you get 2.8 from and is that for only the Edge or is it also for the flat S6?
It's there on echoe forum mate Googled & u will find it
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Kernel is multivariant so it works for both versions g925 and g920. You can download latest kernel easely via the echoe creations app on playstore
I searched their forum but could only find version 2.5. I think someone else said that you have to register on their forum to get it. Thanks @jody2k
EDIT: Found it! Also v2.9 was released today. Testing it with your config on Synapse.
Friedrich give public release of AEL 2.9 also, so its not mandatory to buy the app but it would def help him their monthly expenses of having the forum
I bought it without hesitation as I like to support those who give their time and efforts to our community
I only created the sound interface so people would stop asking for it. The only good thing about it is to be able to tune your left/right equalizer channels differently. Either use the hardware controls alone or keep with Samsung's Adapt Sound.
Frankly a lot of people here are having a lot of placebo - going through the Adapt Sound calibration and enabling the UHQ upsampler will be enough for 95% of the people.
AndreiLux said:
I only created the sound interface so people would stop asking for it. The only good thing about it is to be able to tune your left/right equalizer channels differently. Either use the hardware controls alone or keep with Samsung's Adapt Sound.
Frankly a lot of people here are having a lot of placebo - going through the Adapt Sound calibration and enabling the UHQ upsampler will be enough for 95% of the people.
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Samsung adapt sound is just horrible imo why would you ever recommend that? Maybe it was an unwilling effect of you but using hardware equalizer is giving much more warmth and "real sound" control directly from the audio chip without any loss of other frequencies when boosting bass and mid's. You should try yourself my friend youll see its not placebo at all.
Damn so many placebo's then past 3/4 years ^^
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Samsung adapt sound is just horrible imo why would you ever recommend that? Maybe it was an unwilling effect of you but using hardware equalizer is giving much more warmth and "real sound" control directly from the audio chip without any loss of other frequencies when boosting bass and mid's. You should try yourself my friend youll see its not placebo at all.
Damn so many placebo's then past 3/4 years ^^
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I actually did the frequency analysis and the frequency calibration to even setup the 8-band equalizer the way it is now, maybe you have some superhuman hearing or vastly different headphones with different impedance but in my opinion Adapt Sound is a much better objective equalizer calibration to make sound actually sound the way it should be.
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I actually did the frequency analysis and the frequency calibration to even setup the 8-band equalizer the way it is now, maybe you have some superhuman hearing or vastly different headphones with different impedance but in my opinion Adapt Sound is a much better objective equalizer calibration to make sound actually sound the way it should be.
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Yes "sounding the way it should be" isnt that personal too? sounds just boring for me but thats my personal opinion too, I'm here to help people who are not happy with stock sound.
Using the analysis frequency calibration from adapt sound the high's are still sounding too harsh, mid's are recessed and there is little to no bass at all.
I'm having different headsets to test this including low impedance (apple earpods) and high impedance phones like the sennheiser HD 600 and DT770 from beyerdynamic.
The dac op amp is not powerfull enough though to drive high impedance phones for sounding like they should be
If you dont like this combo i dont blame you, and won't force anyone to use it i'm here to help...
Many people seem to like it though.
anyway @AndreiLux i'm not doubting your sense of audioquality but i think we are discussing about 2 different things here:
I want to sound my own music as a "new experience" like sitting on a attraction. trying new things and pushing boundries in a good way without having imbalance between frequencies.
Stock adapt sound will give you indeed "the sound music should be" voiced in a U shaped trend of equalizer which is the "new norm" of voicing I don't like, as many people don't like too.
Thats makes you maybe more a audiophile than i am, I have never been searching for the absolute "correct" sound but more for making music a new FUN experience.
Listening with M50x... Much improved
Thank man.
2.9 is out. Hehe Friedrich did not left the building
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2.9 is out. Hehe Friedrich did not left the building
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Jep he didn't know the mod worked actually as he doesnt have the phone to test it out.
He was very happy to hear it worked and people are interested ^^.
S6 community on echoerom forum just needed/needs a little boost, for all those who can go register on echoerom forum and give your thanks:good:
Sometimes its as simple as having the ability to customize it as you prefer, hardware eq gives a better result than sw eq. Placebo or not, I want control. It's a good thing.
Is anyone having an issue where the audio eq settings are audibly turning off when you home button out of any app? like music, or spotify, or even synapse
EDIT: it fixed itself after a clean install
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Is anyone having an issue where the audio eq settings are audibly turning off when you home button out of any app? like music, or spotify, or even synapse
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Yeah had it once when i plugged in charger and made the charger sound seemned to disable the hardware EQ. Fixed it by unplugging and back plug the jack cable from my headset. But with home button i have not this issue
V3 is out, smooth!!!
For those who give a crap...Have been playing with settings again today, they are are more ear friendly, more balanced.
Can you guys test these out? give some feedback what you think
Keep your bass in viper the same
Band 1 gain: +12db
Band 2 gain: +6db
Band 3 gain: +5db
Band 4 gain: +1db
Band 5 gain: +0db
Band 6 gain: +0db
Band 7 gain: +0db
Band 8 gain: -2db
Viper seems to boost sound only at lower volumes but has no affect at full volume.
Has anyone run across a mod to boost overall speaker output that works at full volume?
I listen to talk radio while walking my dog and need a bit more sound.
Viper worked great on all my Samsung phones but isn't getting the job done on the MXP.
Was gonna say xtrememusic but now that I think about it, it might not fit your exact criteria. I mean the stock levels of this phones speakers are pretty loud I'm wondering if boosting loudness would get close to running the risk of blowing the speakers? I don't know enough. Would def be interested but does it exist Idk
See when I consume media its via the front facing speakers, so when I flash a sound mod the main reason is to boost the loudness first, andQuality as well but loudness 1st.
Last year I used a version of Dolby Atmos for the Htc one m7, and it def did make things louder. But I can't remember exact which version or who made it. I know there are versions of Atmos floating around but who knows of its the same or not.
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I wonder also. Xtreme had no noticeable change to me. Tried Viper and it became full volume at 50% but not any more louder after.
I'm not too concerned with overdriving the speakers.
I did this mod to all my Samsung phones and they all got like an extra ~5% more volume level and never killed the speakers.
But then I'm just listening to sports talk radio and vocals aren't pushing the speaker cones too hard.
It's when listening to music with bass that you have to watch out you don't kill the speakers.
Well dang, I tried editing the mixer_path.xml but none of the changes I made had any effect on overall volume.
I was testing by playing white noise and had my SPL meter about 5 inches away.
Was getting 95dB no matter how many times and places I edited the XML at.
I attached the stock XML if anyone wants to look it over.
It's unmodified since none of my changes affected anything.
This article will get you started, though it's not exactly applicable to our file.
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-changing-the-mixer-paths-xml-increase-volume
I have to wonder if Motorola has what we need somewhere else other than the mixer file. I'm too tired to go looking around ATM though.
Waves MaxxAudio Idol 4S Edition
Using on my Moto X Pure and sounds better and louder than stock, just be careful with the MaxxBass toggle as it starts clipping Recommend also overclocking the minimum CPU to 864 to avoid distortion
So it's not a secret that the S8 is not as good as let's say HTC 10 for audio, yesterday I tried my own earphones on a S8 and while the volume is loud enough, you feel it still need a small volume boost and certainly a better dynamic range and clarity.
So for people who tried on their Exynos S8 V4A or V4 Arise, what do you think of the sound quality?
Can you reproduce the Boomsound deep sound quality or not really?
I am talking small earphones like KZ and Xiaomi Pistons
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So it's not a secret that the S8 is not as good as let's say HTC 10 for audio, yesterday I tried my own earphones on a S8 and while the volume is loud enough, you feel it still need a small volume boost and certainly a better dynamic range and clarity.
So for people who tried on their Exynos S8 V4A or V4 Arise, what do you think of the sound quality?
Can you reproduce the Boomsound deep sound quality or not really?
I am talking small earphones like KZ and Xiaomi Pistons
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No idea about the HTC10 but I have a M8 and a S8, the M8 can drive my big sennheiser HD 215's easily to proper listing levels where as the S8 can not but but for the Momentum IEM's both are very evenly matched I am using PowerAmp+V4A on both and with a bit of equalizer magic it sounds awesome on both and the lack of punch is taken care off using the Preamp slider.
There is only one thing I noticed that paints the S8 in a bad light that is shuttering overwhelming bass in certain tracks but that can be taken care of with use of the "Limit" tab but it introduces a weird wavy effect thus I found it best to turn the bass a bit low. The end result is the S8 and the M8 with similar audio signatures but a little less bass on the S8.
Also for higher volume you can also use this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72245028&postcount=17
and I followed this guide for V4A:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/themes/youtube-guide-how-to-install-t3598030