Hi everyone!
i'd ask a question important for me : I will buy a HD2 but u know there are two versions of it. U.S. T-Mobile ones are better in ram and rom. But are all the T-Mobile ones the same in hardware? May i trust to buy if it has "T-Mobile" logo on it?
I'm the owner of a T-Mobile branded HD2 but not the T-Mobile US version.
As far as I know only T-Mobile US version has the T-Mobile logo on top and red and green buttons on bottom.
See my post on this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16683539&postcount=9
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Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
Thanks for your info. I didn't know about these differences. Then i have another question : Is t-mobile u.s. version much faster than europe hd2 version? It has more ram than europe and so it is faster but can we see that difference while using phone for exlaying games etc..?
I can't say if it's really faster, because I haven't seen a T-Mobile US HD2 live.
Maybe there is a review on youtube...
I'm not unhappy with my HD2's speed.
RAM can be equal on all HD2 models via supporting ROM & radio version. US T-Mo has 1GB of ROM which is a big bonus.
Main concern is radio bands are different also a third Telstra model can be thrown into the varient equasion in this respect.
Speed is important for me so u.s. version seems closer to me although i am in europe. My another question is : What varies when radio bands are different? What kind of problem may occur because of this variety? Does anyone know?
3G/UMTS radio frequencies used in USA are different to frequencies used in Europe.
Therefore the radio chipset is different.
Problem: GPRS data transfer speed (114kbit/s) instead of 3G/UMTS data transfer speed (7,2Mbit/s) if you use a T-Mobile US model in Europe.
Don't let me be missunderstood, this is not a general problem.
It depends on the network operator and which technique is used in various areas if this problem occures.
Who can say which network operator is using which technique in which area? Perhaps there is a problem.
I own the US T-Mo & have yet to have any issue with 3G on any provider I have used in UK Europe & Asia Pacific.
As for performance at gaming they will all be the same but with the larger ROM storage you can install more softwares directly to your device.
If you are a gamer I assume you will be going Android ! so if that is the case you would probably be best getting a dedicated android device that is newer in terms of hardware & doesn't suffer from some of the Android HD2 porting issues ...
uli71 said:
3G/UMTS radio frequencies used in USA are different to frequencies used in Europe.
Therefore the radio chipset is different.
Problem: GPRS data transfer speed (114kbit/s) instead of 3G/UMTS data transfer speed (7,2Mbit/s) if you use a T-Mobile US model in Europe.
Don't let me be missunderstood, this is not a general problem.
It depends on the network operator and which technique is used in various areas if this problem occures.
Who can say which network operator is using which technique in which area? Perhaps there is a problem.
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Woouww that is a big big bigg problem if true.. I use up to 7.2 mbps and i cant bear slow internet So i'm afraid i will have to buy europe version if that problem is true..
Mister B; What is your internet speed with t-mobile version in Europe? And of course i am going to be going android because I already fed up with winmo 6.5 while using touch HD So u say gaming performance the same in two versions, only rom may be problem. i think rom is not a problem if ram isn't Thanks..
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I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.
1) Yes, the hardware* is the same inside and out.
2) AFAIK, 3G radio is hardware dependent. You can flash all the different radios you want, but unless the hardware has that specific frequency, you wont be getting any 850mhz 3G. Meaning, the Euro (t8185) version will not receive AT&T 3G/UMTS because it doesn't have the correct radio hardware.
* except for the radio.
doubledrake20 said:
I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.
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1. NO
2. NO
Keep in mind:
t8185 designed for EU market but compatible gsm with usa ATT for partial functionality.
t9193 designed for AU/Asian market but compatible gsm & maybe 3g WITH USA att, but ROM dependent to accomplish that. You won't get stable 3g WITH telstra rom, but need customized rom.
t9193 hardware is NOT compatible for T-Mobile, at least no released model I know of yet.
HTC HD2 coming to T-Mobile, supposedly in March 2010. (probably a different htc model number)
Rumors are HTC HD2 coming to Sprint ( possibly android os model) & Verizon (as wm os) sometime in future. att...who knows?
Radio rom upgrades can sometimes improve your experience, but only within the limits of your hardware.
ROM upgrades cannot change the hardware compatibitity for a given signal. You must change chip inside the device for that.
ROM upgardes or customizing rom can improve your experience with your given hardware signal compatibility. (e.g. bug fix that improves signal problem)
Hold on to your t8185 until usa versions of the htc HD2 hit the market. Then, you'll have options. (e.g. change phone or change providers or both)
If htc HD2 is really a big hit in usa, then expect most providers to have it or a hardware variation of it, later this year.
Hello Everyone,
Anyone know the model number for the USA T-Mobile Version?
Thank you ,
Monnie
thanks for the info devilduck, i can't switch contracts till mid 2011 so i really wanted 3g with my current provider, at&t. Guess i'll just have to switch to 9193 eventually.
And to monnie, i dont think they have the model number out just yet.
1- why is this bigger. the only difference between this and the hd2 is the supported 3g bands
2- will it work on in my country? we use 2100/900mhz here for the 3g bands but i saw some people people use the 3g on a US-Tmo g1 (2100/1700) work fine. can i assume that this will safly work here. the HD2 is much more expensive here.
3- why does this need a different hspl?is the SPL between the devices any different? also will normal hd2 cooked roms work on this?
I dont know the answers to your questions, however in post 2, you mention "your country"; yet you've failed to mention where you are, or what carrier you're/will be using.
1) why is what bigger?
2) If a previous tmobile usa phone worked in your country, then this one should work too. (what you have to be careful about is that when it says 2100 it doesn't actually use all of 2100, only a certain portion. For example, the USA 2100 frequencies are different the those in europe and are not compatible).
3)The SPL on tmobile hd2 is different (2.XXX vs 1.42) so currently no flashing is available. Once it becomes available, you'll be able to flash any ROM. (on a side note, the current cooked ROMs use the Tmobile ROM, so it is the latest and there isn't much difference in the cooked ROMs from the stock rom for the time being.)
-im on STC in saudi arabia
-if you look at pics that compare the two devices you will notice that the new hd2 is about 1.5mm taller than the old one
- anyone managed to test the new hd2 on other world GSM networks (2100/900)
I know that there are two version for HD2:T version and htc version.The T version's RAM and ROM is larger than the htc's.But I wonder why the T version's price is cheaper than the htc's.And some people told me that the T version is unstable and can't install some ROM.(By the way,I'm from China.If I buy the HD2,I need brushing machine.)
I'm hesitated for a long time:which version should I buy?
So,what's your guys' opinion?
The t-mobile version is cheaper because t-mobile lowers the price for starting a 2 year service contract. The import (I'm in the US) version is purchased without a contract and is therefore unsubsidized. From what I've gathered the two variations are nearly identical in performance, build quality etc.
Thanks!This is my first oversea thread and I'm so glad that you give me a reply!
I thought that the T-Mobile HD2 was the one sold in the US and the other HD2 is the one sold in the rest of the world. Correct me if I'm wrong but they are pretty much the same except slight size and memory changes.
yeoldgreat1 said:
I thought that the T-Mobile HD2 was the one sold in the US and the other HD2 is the one sold in the rest of the world. Correct me if I'm wrong but they are pretty much the same except slight size and memory changes.
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T-Mobile is just the branding nothing more nothing less maybe the SD card is diff but I have the T-Mobile UK version there no different then any other HD2
rexzooly said:
T-Mobile is just the branding nothing more nothing less maybe the SD card is diff but I have the T-Mobile UK version there no different then any other HD2
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The UK one is the same as everyone's except the T-Mobile US model.
The US T-Mobile HD2 has a similar spec to the rest of the world, except it has a larger on-board memory (1Gb I believe) and an 'unlocked' larger RAM.
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The UK one is the same as everyone's except the T-Mobile US model.
The US T-Mobile HD2 has a similar spec to the rest of the world, except it has a larger on-board memory (1Gb I believe) and an 'unlocked' larger RAM.
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Well FFFFFFFFF to them lol
rp-x1 said:
The UK one is the same as everyone's except the T-Mobile US model.
The US T-Mobile HD2 has a similar spec to the rest of the world, except it has a larger on-board memory (1Gb I believe) and an 'unlocked' larger RAM.
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Actually that is not entirely accurate , the TMOUS has a different radio, as do some of the EU models , for instance if you want to use one on AT&T 3G in the states, you need the telstra model from OZ, as it supports the WCDMA 850 band , the US(TMO) version only supports 1700/2100 WCDMA for 3G.
Most all will work on all Providers , using standard GSM/EDGE freqs but not on 3G.
EDIT:
It seems though AT&T is cracking down on NON-AT&T devices though ....
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Actually that is not entirely accurate , the TMOUS has a different radio, as do some of the EU models , for instance if you want to use one on AT&T 3G in the states, you need the telstra model from OZ, as it supports the WCDMA 850 band , the US(TMO) version only supports 1700/2100 WCDMA for 3G.
Most all will work on all Providers , using standard GSM/EDGE freqs but not on 3G.
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Thanks for the details maybe I should get my hands on a US one for a hands on check
I travel a lot and am sick of the 850MHz/900Mhz limitation on the HD2 models. I currently own a UK 850MHz HD2 and was thinking of buying a Telstra 900Mhz HD2 on ebay, then maintaining both models and taking the appropriate model to suit the networks in the location I'm travelling to. To make this practical I need to know the process and tools (if they exist) to easily image all the apps and files from one unit to the other.
My current T8585 model is running stock HTC UK ROM. Would I need to flash the Telstra models ROM? Can the T8585 stock ROM be simlpy flashed to the Telstra model even though the Radio hardware is different ?
Any info appreciated ...
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I travel a lot and am sick of the 850MHz/900Mhz limitation on the HD2 models. I currently own a UK 850MHz HD2 and was thinking of buying a Telstra 900Mhz HD2 on ebay, then maintaining both models and taking the appropriate model to suit the networks in the location I'm travelling to. To make this practical I need to know the process and tools (if they exist) to easily image all the apps and files from one unit to the other.
My current T8585 model is running stock HTC UK ROM. Would I need to flash the Telstra models ROM? Can the T8585 stock ROM be simlpy flashed to the Telstra model even though the Radio hardware is different ?
Any info appreciated ...
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I'm assuming you're talking about 3G (because all HD2s have quadband for voice)? If you are, I'm sure you got the bolded part mixed up.
Yes - 3G. My current T8585 model supports 900MMHz and 2100MHz, the Telstra model supoprts 850MHz and 2100MHz.
No, I don't think it's safe to flash an hd2 with a stock rom not meant for it.
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I'm assuming you're talking about 3G (because all HD2s have quadband for voice)? If you are, I'm sure you got the bolded part mixed up.
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Yeah, the 850 band is on the telstra t9193 for 3g, while the 900 band is on t8585 euro models.
Anyways, yes, you could get both models and flash them both with the same custom rom (you would have to put hspl on both, I would think, otherwise each model can only use stock roms prepared for each model, and there might be slight differences.)... then just use a back app to back up one, and restore the backup on the other.
Hello guys,
I don't currently own an HTC HD2, but soon will.
I am aware there are two different versions of the phone: The T-Mobile version, with 1gb rom and 512 ram, and the European/International version of the HD2, with less ram and half the rom. Correct? Also, the T-Mobile version has the "T-Mobile" text under the speaker (is this always true?).
I'd like to know which of the versions you guys advise me to get. I'm concerned the European/International version is limited in terms of rom, and that I won't be able to use the full potential of the phone because of that.
I will want dual-boot of WP7 and an Android rom...
So, can anyone help me?
Thanks
Of course T-Mobile version is better, you already know the answer to that. As far as which one to get - get the one you can afford in the best condition/age for your money, as both versions work equally well and ROMs are written for both without limitations. The only thing you will notice is less memory available for your programs installations, but then you can always use your memory card and move apps to free space.
Other than T-Mobile written under the speaker, the hard keys will be colored on tMobile version and are white on 512, T-Mobile is also about 2mm longer, but not due to any difference in screen size, just the housing on the bottom.
I asked because I read that, in terms of ram, both versions have the same, except the original rom on the European version, locks-out a part of it. Using a custom rom unlock all the ram, like in T-Mo version.
I also read, on XDA, that there are more roms for the European version, since there isn't a really big support for 1GB nand... true?
Thanks =p
RAM being the same means you will see no difference in running. You can also flash 512 ROM to a TMOUS, but if the ROM doesn't support TMOUS specifically, it means it will be partitioned as if it's 512 with some of the ROM memory unavailable, at least that is my understanding of it. Although the best Android NAND ROMS I flashed all supported TMOUS. WP7 I am currently waiting on to improve, but flashed to my TMOUS previously with no issues other than bugs and annoyances.
In essence, you are not going to flash every ROM that is out there, just see what's available and for what, read what others are saying and so on. I honestly don't think it's a huge dilemma.
Does the TMOUS version always have the branding next to the speakers?
AFAIK WP7 doesn't use the extra RAM in TMOUS HD2, so you wouldn't notice any difference anyway. SD ROMS might use it but its only 500 Mb difference and SD cards are getting bigger and cheaper all the time.
I think I'll go for the European version... But since it's the same, if I get a good deal on a Tmous one, I'll do it.
check out what you're looking for in ROM terms , cause there's no compatibility, so it may be your favorite chef works only on one hd2 version
There are more versions of the HD2 than two
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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Thanks =p
I'm thinking about this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280714810924&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
It's the European/International version.
The seller also says it uses/has the 900 2100 band... What is this, do you guys know?
How about the price? Is it good? I also have to pay 40 usd shipping. So total is 400 usd.
All over the world there are used different radio frequencies for cellular network according to the different standards or legal requirements.
If you buy something in the USA, please don't forget the import tariff you also have to pay to your local customs office.
And according to to the shipping policy of the seller the only send within the USA.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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Ohhhh That's very good info. Thanks for that.
I never knew HD2 has so many versions.
Difference in capacitive touch screen (glass) replacement?
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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farcry27 said:
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
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T-Mobile or T-Mobile USA?
I don't know if there is a mechanical or electrical differencebut I believe there is one, because of the different dimensions.
Maybe this thread is helpfull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613954
I will find out soon enough. The screen is being imported from the USA so and has a TMobile sign below the speaker.
tnx for the link.
uli71 said:
T-Mobile or T-Mobile USA?
I don't know if there is a mechanical or electrical differencebut I believe there is one, because of the different dimensions.
Maybe this thread is helpfull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613954
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Supplier gave me this:
The writing is tiny, but I see
c8043g-t01x402us
f090361a0-cto1106
3183-00737
(useful I know!)
uli71 said:
All over the world there are used different radio frequencies for cellular network according to the different standards or legal requirements.
If you buy something in the USA, please don't forget the import tariff you also have to pay to your local customs office.
And according to to the shipping policy of the seller the only send within the USA.
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Yeah. I just remembered the freaking fares.
I would have to pay +21% of the price, + some fixed taxes. God. For that I'd be better buying one at a store here.
So now, I'm going to dive in to ebay.co.uk. The prices aren't so appealing, and there isn't much variety... Oh well.
The digitizer connector concern is a valid one. There are 2 types of digitizer connectors - one needs to be flex soldered to the connection on the LCD, another is a plugin.
farcry27 said:
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
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For 99% it wouldn't fit because of the connector between touchscreen and LCD.
Thanks and Looking for European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 Capacitive Touch
Thanks to those who answered my question, you saved my money and fristration.
I am still looking for a Capacitive Touch screen for my: European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (I assume that is correct as I bought it in France.)
Can anyone suggest a supplier who ships internationally? I am in South Africa.