I hardly post here, this is known.
Even still....The end of the month is coming up for early adopters. Still no custom roms. This is not good news.
I pondered a resolution...and other than returning for a refund and waiting for the fascinate, I couldn't really come up with anything.
About a month ago, I was fortunate enough to read a donation thread in this section of the boards that was titled: "help buy a droid x, for developer" .
Obviously that idea has been done. So i thought what can be better?
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
Uh...
No, thanks
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im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
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sure, thats a bad idea for a couple of reasons, legal issues come to mind
we have root with froyo coming soon and the sbf just came out. id say were doing pretty good for being three weeks from launch. enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the goodies as they come. There arent many we dont already have.
custom roms dont entice people? LOL. wow.
That is all that the X needs, as it will add longevity to the device. Being binded to motorolas software release schedule, really blows. This is a great unit, it just needs some work on the software. Said fixes that most likely will only be done by devs on these forums.
Thanks LegionTHEFecalExcretion, i knew about the security breach and the sbf. Hey, at least you offered somewhat of an answer and not some peabrain bot rebuttal.
The encryption keys are, I'm very sure, tightly controlled at Motorola. Most companies have software design/build control where software ready for compiling gets checked in and typically encryption keys are locked away within these build control systems.
This means that, not only do you have to raise enough money to make it worthwhile for the person to potentially lose their job and get sued, but it's not usually all the average-Joe programmers who have access. It's probably the higher-up project managers or coding leads.
I just don't see the donation pile getting big enough to entice someone already making a very good living to take a change on losing their livelihood and getting sued over it.
Why not just enjoy the phone, be happy with the current root abilities, and know that at some point we will be able to load custom roms. Yes I want to load a vanilla rom just as bad as the next guy, however I am tired of seeing people ask "are you done, are you done, are you done yet?, how about now, now? maybe now"?
Give some breathing room to these guys, maybe they have kids, jobs, wifes, a life.
I don't understand why you guys have to be mean to the guy. He is new to the forum and probably new to smart phones. He may even have very little knowledge of what a programming environment would be like and how great the downside could be for someone to leak said information. He had what he thought was a good idea and was a b it ignorant. That does not mean he should be treated like crap.
I have some advice for you omni, go get yourself an iphone and leave this forum... i can't believe that you would have the mentality to whine about some of the brightest minds that we have come to respect in this forum, complaning that they don't work fast enough for you... your a very selfish person who has no right to treat the respected members of this forum in such a way.
I for one love this phone and will continue to use it with or without custom roms...
And a special thanks to those working on the bootloader/ custom rom programming... we will wait for your perfection.
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Some phones are easier to work with then others. The DX has not been out that long, have patience.
As an example the Droid Incredible was rooted and a custom recovery added pretty dang quick. On the other hand the Droid Eris took awhile to root and even then, some Eris users had "upgraded" to one of several "leaked" roms and could not root while others that did not leak could. I was a "leak" adopter and it took them several more months to finally get root for the "leaked" Eris owners.
Give it time. They will figure it out eventually.
Or go get something that is more customizable, like the DInc.
I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...
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I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...
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I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.
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I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.
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Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them
The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.
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The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.
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i know what you mean thats why I have waited this long watching the development section, let me show you the videos of the roms i produced on their roms before the official 2.1 came out on the hero (edit: well bofore the official 2.1 with no source code)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0_ze1_Z0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIsTUHjBnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peitGW9tlFU
and dont mock my music lol
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Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them
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I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...
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I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...
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good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent
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good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent
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You obviously dont follow the development of CM for galaxy. Otherwice youd know even now custom roms are next to impossible (really custom).
I will defiantley toss in some loonies if there is any chance we can get Ninpo up in here. I know he got an SGS and gave it a good reveiew, and to be honest even if he doesn't acomplish a single thing it'll be worth it just for his legendary release notes!
Based on the amount of damage I've been able to do to my phone in less than a week, I think that a skilled kernel dev could make a huge difference. (Not insulting any of our current devs, just came from the Hero and that guy managed to stretch my use of that phone by like 6 months).
The dev here get donations if they deserving it.
Stopp pissing on the dev here.
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T-Mobile was offering a web special on a free G2 for activating a new line. Even with Sprint's 2-year contract renewal, the Evo Shift 4G and Nexus S 4G cost $150 and $200, respectively. Also, 4.3" devices like the EVO 3D are of no interest to me. It was cheaper for me to cough up the early termination fee. My G2 should arrive on Monday.
Before I leave, I want to thank everyone who has positively contributed to my Android experience with the Hero. This development community continues to exceeded my expectations... I still find it hard to believe we're all content with running an Android with 1st generation hardware, and we have great devs to thank for that. Even after the legendary devs like toastcfh, nfinitefx45, and others have left, we have new great devs who filled in. And of course, thanks to all the regulars who keep this forum alive and provide a supportive environment (you know who you are). Although I'm not as talkative and dedicated as some of you, I just hope I've been able contribute my share of helping and support as well
you will be missed sir.. and i dont blame you thats a pretty good deal.. im too stuck on sprint to leave, they have been too good to me over the years.. but have often said that if i left i would go t-mo for some of their devices.. so God speed my friend, im sure we will see you floating around here somewhere..
A man it was a blast having you apart of the hero community. Thanks for all the knowledge and time you put into the hero forums. Take care and enjoy your new phone. Have a good one.
#Root/Hack-Mod_Always*
Thanks for the kind words everyone I'll probably still be checking up on the never ending progress that is aospCmod and the revived 2.6.35 kernel
Peace c00ller. Enjoy your new phone. It was fun
Cooller,
Thanks for the help that you have given to many. I, as many others I'm sure- and as you can see, appreciate what you have brought to the hero threads. I moved from Verizon to Sprint for the $ reason's as well and for me, it was a good move. I got my 1st android phone (our Hero's) and I found XDA. It has been a great experience (learning, fun, and a great way to kill some time) and you have been a part of making it so.
Good luck and happy flashing. I know that whatever phone you are using, you will still be apart of this great community on XDA and the jewels that are made and found here.
I think I feel a tear coming on. No, it was just gas.
Happy Flashing!
DP (I should have gone with DogPoop instead since I'm not drunk and not a pilot...today anyway).
Hey Eugene said he wouldn't mind getting a vibrant if the community donated but he said he's scared of the problems that might come. Like people demanding updates and such. But if you changed the cm7 donation thread to Eugene and put what Eugene don't want to happen some might understand and obey his wishes.
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Hey Vibrant community.
Remember Eugene? That awesome guy who's helped make what our Vibrants are today. He's willing to develop for us again and bring us more of his awesome stuff. Maybe even an awesome, stable ICS. As you may have noticed, he's been helping around, but he's using his wife's phone. His wife doesn't like that too much. He's willing to take a Vibrant from the community if they're willing to give it.
Before you post any bull or a 'yes! awesome!' do know that Eugene in no way needs to give out ETAs or post daily, he has a life, just like everyone of us, he does this because he likes it, not because he has to.
If you guys are willing to support him, he's willing to support us.
What do you guys say?
Vibrant for Eugene! Let's go!
if you have nothing positive to say, or dont want to donate, please dont post here.
im a broke college freshman but im willing to donate $10 towards a device for CM crew.
cheers
Wasn't this fundraiser done before?
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I don't care what they do with the money we donate. They can buy a device or pizza or beer or hookers, whatever they want.
I just want the Cyanogenmod team to know that the Vibrant community fully supports them and hopes that our device can stay in the CM family.
I'm willing to put in $20.
$10 towards a device for atinm too, but only if he states that he actually wants to continue work on it if we get him a device.
Did'nt he say he was sick of the vibrant?
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Did'nt he say he was sick of the vibrant?
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Yup!
Stated that if we bought home one he wouldn't develop for it
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This is a waste of time you guy's. we have plenty of talented dev's to rely on one specific team. The longer everyone continues to feed into the man saying he is "Sick" and has "given up," the "Bigger" these men's head's grow. Some one will either port the latest cm9 once it is released for i9000 or we simply must move on. (it's called evolution) Samsung is the one to officially blame for there lack of device support. I refuse to have to bribe someone to keep their loyalty. I know there will be CM9 with or without the help of Hacksung. This wasn't meant to troll or offend.
i hope this keeps the wheels turning, but i doubt it will. the only reason i say that is because i find it extreme difficult to believe that the CM team (the largest, most popular, most skilled, most coveted Android development team) doesnt have enough money from donations to buy a cheap used vibrant on ebay. i also find it very hard to believe that none of them (or even a dev loosely associated with them) does not have T-Mobile.
IMO, i think that was atinm's polite way of saying fck the vibrant. im not faulting him in any way, im sure it was a calculated decision.
i just want people to think before giving their money away as a result of frustration/impatience.
good luck.
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i hope this keeps the wheels turning, but i doubt it will. the only reason i say that is because i find it extreme difficult to believe that the CM team doesnt have enough money from donations to buy a cheap used vibrant on ebay. i also find it very hard to believe that none of them (or even a dev loosely associated with them) does not have T-Mobile.
IMO, i think that was atinm's polite way of saying fck the vibrant. im not faulting him in any way, im sure it was a calculated decision.
i just want people to think before giving their money away as a result of frustration/impatience.
good luck.
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Very well said broskii. +1
They call themselves team douche for a reason.
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Whats the point of this? If CM7 is any indication, it will probably take about 4-5 months for a stable release even if they do support CM9 for the vibrant. By that time most of us who are on a two year plan for the vibrant is only a few months away from a new phone upgrade with the next release of android.
Chances are any money you donate will go to the next phone that are coming out to get them further and further away from the vibrant.
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Chances are any money you donate will go to the next phone that are coming out to get them further and further away from the vibrant.
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^^^^^^^THISSSSSSSSSS^^^^^^^
i am not against donating to devs in any way. however i AM against people blindly throwing their money around, when there is absolutely no indication that their hopes will be fulfilled.
sometimes devs make it clear that donations just go into one big pot and are considered charity, or a thank you. on the other hand, some devs setup serperate paypal accounts for donations to a specific need.
in this particular case, the dev has clearly stated that he has less than no intentions of pursuing further development on this device, yet people still want to throw money at him.
i understand the reasoning, but if your "donations" are being made with a specific need in mind, make sure the dev not only understands, but also accepts/agrees to this.
And that's why this was a proposition, not official. He has made up his mind, he will not support the Vibrant, no matter what. So.. I guess that settles it.
with that said though, really how much work would need to be done to port a sgs rom over to the vibrant, sure battery life wont be kick ass at first but most kernel such as glitch/sixstrings dev for either the cappy or the sgs and just tweak a few files and build it for the vibrant, probably wont have working gps but id be surprised if we didtn get some sort of kanged cm build.
you could always build the sgs cm rom with with tweaks to put in the vibrant specific libs, also keep in mind that the g1 lost support for cm but there are plenty of un official builds and they have to do a hell of a lot more to port a rom to that phone.
He said they would port it soon just stop there's no need for this
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I think people might not completely understand why I support a fundraising effort.
I don't really care about any dev getting a device or anything like that. I just want to make sure that all the people who have worked hard to get CM7 working on the vibrant know how much we appreciate it. We hope that they will continue to support the device for the long term but that this is just a gift to say THANK YOU.
I feel we need something like this to deal with the trolls that have pissed off multiple vibrant devs. I see this as a fundraiser just to say "thank you and sorry about all the jerks".
I am pretty sure CyanogenMod can use any funds we donate to them. I personally intend to give a yearly donation to them anyways since they have made my android experience SO much better than stock. Since i am giving anyways i would rather do it as part of an overall fundraising drive with the Vibrant community than just as an individual.
I have no expectations that they will continue development for the Vibrant, i just think it is important that we show them how much we appreciate them.
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there starting to do most of there work with the sgs2 branch of phones, att, tmobil etc.....sorry
Guys, please behave yourself and be polite toward the developers. They don't owe you anything and they are working left and right to make our phones better. Don't act like they intentionally go around and break any particular functions on your phones. If you feel like those functions are important to you, stick with stock ROM and STFU. Custom ROMs are not for you.
Comments should be used for feedback only, not to make any request or demanding any answers why x,y,z do not work on your phones. DO NOT pestering the developers over PM or emails. The people doing that kind of things are no better than scums. I have seen too many good developers left the scene and it's quite disheartening.
Just some reminder to make our community better.
P.S. No I am not the admin, just an angry xda member.
Thanks for this,
I know most people respect what devs try to do.
However it is the small minority that spoiled it the other day.
In my frustration I threw my Play against a wall and have smashed the screen.
I cannot afford to pay the £45 to get it fixed which is why I cannot continue to create ROMs
If some generous people out there would care to make some contributions to help me get it fixed I will definately continue development on MIUI the play..
Sorry to sound like a beggar but I just can't afford it
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Thanks for this,
I know most people respect what devs try to do.
However it is the small minority that spoiled it the other day.
In my frustration I threw my Play against a wall and have smashed the screen.
I cannot afford to pay the £45 to get it fixed which is why I cannot continue to create ROMs
If some generous people out there would care to make some contributions to help me get it fixed I will definately continue development on MIUI the play..
Sorry to sound like a beggar but I just can't afford it
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Well the small minority are just noobs they cannot do this themselves because they are clueless. If they want something they should be trying to support you not nag you. But Pricey I can't Donate I have no Paypal . And dude this should be in the "General" section of the forum!
I know this is going to come off meanly, and I don't mean it that way, but seriously? So you let people tick you off so bad, you threw your phone against the wall and broke it... No wonder you're called Pricey.
I support development, but not stupidity, sorry. You'd be better off looking for donations for Anger Management counselling.
This is going to sound mean as well, but why should people donate if you broke the phone by something physical (chucking it at wall, which is obviously going to break it). If you had maybe bricked it (or something like that) while doing something to help the community, then people would be more likely to donate...
I didn't mean to say everyone has to pay for what I did.. just asked for a bit help that was all.
I'm just saying I cannot afford to pay to fix the phone which in turn would of meant my continued development and help to everyone in the community.
It wasn't just because of my frustration of what I was sent and demanded for, I have a house full of kids and a wife that drive me up the wall as well.
Sechko has kindly donated £5 (thanks buddy) towards the screen, I can put £10 myself so I just need a further £30 and that will be it.
I do want to continue as I have worked so hard on the Sony Beta version of MIUI it would of been a waste otherwise.
There are reasons why long term developers are so highly regarded. Not only do they possess the hard skills (code analysis, debugging, maths to make sense of all that), but they have soft skills like PR management, good team work abilities and the ability to see that the continuity of a project implies a personal investment, which will have a yield in the end.
Some long, peaceful breathing seems to be in order here. And after that, it's time for all of you to evaluate exactly that. Does whatever project you were involved in contribute to your personal growth? Pricey decided that it wasn't, and so he stopped.
Our role as a community is to ensure that developers can feel at ease to do what they like to do. As such, the community failed pricey. But then again, pricey can learn lessons from this. Both for his presence here, and for his real life.
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Logseman said:
There are reasons why long term developers are so highly regarded. Not only do they possess the hard skills (code analysis, debugging, maths to make sense of all that), but they have soft skills like PR management, good team work abilities and the ability to see that the continuity of a project implies a personal investment, which will have a yield in the end.
Some long, peaceful breathing seems to be in order here. And after that, it's time for all of you to evaluate exactly that. Does whatever project you were involved in contribute to your personal growth? Pricey decided that it wasn't, and so he stopped.
Our role as a community is to ensure that developers can feel at ease to do what they like to do. As such, the community failed pricey. But then again, pricey can learn lessons from this. Both for his presence here, and for his real life.
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The way I see it, the Xperia play is already a strong device able to play ShadowGun with 30-60 FPS
If it's already powerful what do we need to keep modding it for?
The only mods that make sense now are hardware ones. and that is the new direction I'm headed
Mainly because I want my Xperia to pickup better signal while I'm out around and exploring new citys.
Since I've got my Xperia Play it's been on stock. No unlocked bootloader and not even rooted.
I like to keep it simple
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The way I see it, the Xperia play is already a strong device able to play ShadowGun with 30-60 FPS
If it's already powerful what do we need to keep modding it for?
The only mods that make sense now are hardware ones. and that is the new direction I'm headed
Mainly because I want my Xperia to pickup better signal while I'm out around and exploring new citys.
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Why do we need to keep modding it? Dude, that's not really the perspective I expect from a developer. I think to summarize the general collective attitude of Android devolopers, I would have to say that the reason we keep modding any Android device is because we all want our phones to do everything. While we know it isn't possible for our phones to do everything, we want to push it as close as we can. Whether that involves tweaking the UI, the system, or hardware, we modify our phones because we can. As Android users, we don't have to settle for what our manufacturers or carriers provide us with. We can make our phones what we want them to be, and more!
That, sir, is why phones continue to be modded and supported by the development community, even far past their carrier end-of-life dates.
Calling hogwarts a developer might be a bit strong - He uninstalled bloat, installed V6, called it a ROM, promptly stopped updating, and disassembled his Play.
Re: OP, some devs actively irritate me. The aforementioned, our destructive little friend who posted earlier, and whichever member of FXP has a blood pact against the r800x... And yet, some devs here are amazing. Chevy's remarkably effective and problem-free conversions, Keiran's ridiculous productivity for all versions of our phone, despite lacking resources that other devs require prior to even trying to develop... And FXP, for all the work they've done, even if some comments do annoy me.
Tl;dr, devs are not sacred shamans and I don't mind calling them out for bull****, especially when said bull**** isn't impeding the dude ten years my junior who also has school to contend with.
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While I do agree with you, for the most part, the fact still remains that there are some really ungrateful... people around here that do nothing but complain, nag, and demand things be given to them as soon as their post is made. While it is true that some developers aren't as awesome as others, they all do deserve to be treated with the same respect as everyone else. More than that should definitely be earned, of course.
The short of it? The Golden Rule, people. That shouldn't need to be posted, but alas, such is the world we live in.
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I'd donate just because of the wife and kids driving you up the wall. I only have 22p in PayPal though. It's yours if you want it.
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Calling hogwarts a developer might be a bit strong - He uninstalled bloat, installed V6, called it a ROM, promptly stopped updating, and disassembled his Play.
Re: OP, some devs actively irritate me. The aforementioned, our destructive little friend who posted earlier, and whichever member of FXP has a blood pact against the r800x... And yet, some devs here are amazing. Chevy's remarkably effective and problem-free conversions, Keiran's ridiculous productivity for all versions of our phone, despite lacking resources that other devs require prior to even trying to develop... And FXP, for all the work they've done, even if some comments do annoy me.
Tl;dr, devs are not sacred shamans and I don't mind calling them out for bull****, especially when said bull**** isn't impeding the dude ten years my junior who also has school to contend with.
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Remember that, while Keiran is a free agent (and an awesome guy btw), FXP is a team with certain rules and guidelines, which give them an edge over free agents that they need to keep. FXP hasn't touched the bootloaders of the 2011 Xperia line, and their support for devices which "shouldn't" ever have been unlocked, like the R800x, is not officially endorsed. That's the price they pay for, e.g, getting phones and source code directly from Sony as they did last year.
BTW, FXP has another teen in the group, namely Blagus. He was busy already with the older Xperias... it's hard to wrap your head around the concept of a 14 yo kid that can tear apart a phone's sotware just like that
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Remember that, while Keiran is a free agent (and an awesome guy btw), FXP is a team with certain rules and guidelines, which give them an edge over free agents that they need to keep. FXP hasn't touched the bootloaders of the 2011 Xperia line, and their support for devices which "shouldn't" ever have been unlocked, like the R800x, is not officially endorsed. That's the price they pay for, e.g, getting phones and source code directly from Sony as they did last year.
BTW, FXP has another teen in the group, namely Blagus. He was busy already with the older Xperias... it's hard to wrap your head around the concept of a 14 yo kid that can tear apart a phone's sotware just like that
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No joke, right? I consider myself smarter then the average bear, but some people on this forum make me feel like a drooling neanderthal.
As far as FXP's rules go, this is the first mention of them I've heard, and they keep teasing that r800x support will come 'eventually'.
Trygon said:
No joke, right? I consider myself smarter then the average bear, but some people on this forum make me feel like a drooling neanderthal.
As far as FXP's rules go, this is the first mention of them I've heard, and they keep teasing that r800x support will come 'eventually'.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15253598&postcount=217
This was FXP's stance in July 2011, and I haven't read anything reversing it.
Logseman said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15253598&postcount=217
This was FXP's stance in July 2011, and I haven't read anything reversing it.
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While their morals are in the right place, I can't say that I agree with their decision. I mean, look at all of the other manufacturers that are starting to lock down their bootloaders. Motorola is a big one, but HTC is another one that comes to mind. Sure, HTC posts unlocks, but most of the time, the community has already broken their bootloaders open by the time HTC gets around to it. When we tell Sony, "okay, we'll play by your rules," what we're telling them is that we're going to go ahead and take this stuff lying down. What happens next? We own these devices, and the argument of pretty much the whole development community is that since we own our devices, we should be able to do what we want, even if we end up bricking them. Go ahead and void my warranty, I did that to myself, anyway. That's what insurance is for.
There was a time that Sony was unlocking bootloaders on the R800x. It didn't last long, and I missed the ship on that one, but the reason they took it down wasn't because of an SE decision. Verizon, the only CDMA carrier that officially carries the Xperia Play, didn't want their users unlocking their bootloaders and rooting, which was the only way to root at the time, because they wanted their users to keep their bloatware on the devices. So it's not Sony that we're fighting on the unlocked bootloader issue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Alejandrissimo's method, using SETool, made available by Sony? Regardless if that's the case or not, Verizon is who we're having to fight for our freedom, not Sony.
Logseman said:
Remember that, while Keiran is a free agent (and an awesome guy btw), FXP is a team with certain rules and guidelines, which give them an edge over free agents that they need to keep. FXP hasn't touched the bootloaders of the 2011 Xperia line, and their support for devices which "shouldn't" ever have been unlocked, like the R800x, is not officially endorsed. That's the price they pay for, e.g, getting phones and source code directly from Sony as they did last year.
BTW, FXP has another teen in the group, namely Blagus. He was busy already with the older Xperias... it's hard to wrap your head around the concept of a 14 yo kid that can tear apart a phone's sotware just like that
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No offense but how does age matter if the developer is talented ? And you know what, I think the type of people that tend to annoy developers on this forum are the R800x owner. If you buy a locked down device from a ****ty wireless carrier like Verizon, it's your own damn fault. The developers didn't put a gun on your heads to ask you to buy them. If you can't unlock the bootloaders or flash your favorite ROM, it would be nicer to ask the developers nicely to develop another version for your phone. If he refuses then move on, learn from your mistakes and never buy another phones/sign the contract with Verizon. You have no one to blame but your own stupidity.
If you can't flash your damn ROM, it's not the end of the world, go do something else rather than sitting here whining to us and to the developers about it. If I am one of the developers, I will probably even give you guys the middle finger every time you guys say something rude to me. The developers don't owe you guys anything period so learn to behave. After all, it's only a phone, not your baby, etc... Stop making a big deal out of nothing and ruin the community. Next time, stop being cheap and buy an unlocked phone if you want to use xda and we can talk.
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No offense but how does age matter if the developer is talented ? And you know what, I think the type of people that tend to annoy developers on this forum are the R800x owner. If you buy a locked down device from a ****ty wireless carrier like Verizon, it's your own damn fault. The developers didn't put a gun on your heads to ask you to buy them. If you can't unlock the bootloaders or flash your favorite ROM, it would be nicer to ask the developers nicely to develop another version for your phone. If he refuses then move on, learn from your mistakes and never buy another phones/sign the contract with Verizon. You have no one to blame but your own stupidity.
If you can't flash your damn ROM, it's not the end of the world, go do something else rather than sitting here whining to us and to the developers about it. If I am one of the developers, I will probably even give you guys the middle finger every time you guys say something rude to me. The developers don't owe you guys anything period so learn to behave. After all, it's only a phone, not your baby, etc... Stop making a big deal out of nothing and ruin the community. Next time, stop being cheap and buy an unlocked phone if you want to use xda and we can talk.
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Dude, you've gone off on this one. I originally agreed with you, but seriously. I'm not just saying this because I have an R800x, but there are stupid noobs with every kind of phone there is. You can't just say, "oh, I see these guys don't like being singled out, so they must be complaining." Last I checked, there are a whole lot less of us R800x users here, and even fewer that actually complain about the roms that exist. Yes, we'll ask if they're compatible with our phones, but that's simply because of the difference within the devices themselves, despite the fact that they have the same name.
As for using a phone on a particular carrier, I'm going to have to guess that you don't live in America, you don't have your own plan, or both. Here in the states, we generally have to pick what carrier actually has service in our area, very much so in the rural areas. That being the case, if I were to go with AT&T or T-Mobile, I wouldn't be able to get signal where I live. My only options, given that, would be to go ahead and use Verizon, or use the smaller providers, or use prepaid. I've been on Verizon since before they even had feature phones, and at the time, the only prepaid service available here was TracFone. I'm not saying anything bad about TracFone, they were pretty good for the first year or two that I actually owned a cell phone. I made the switch to Verizon, and despite all of the complaints I've heard and read, I've never had a bit of trouble with Big Red. As such, I've stuck with the company I've always used. Heck, even on my previous smartphones, the CDMA bit didn't cause any problem with development.
And then I got an Xperia Play. The only problem I have with this phone is the fact that the R800x has been treated (to borrow a phrase) as the "red-headed stepchild" as compared to the other models of the R800 line. May I just say now that I didn't get the Xperia Play to hack my phone. I got the phone because I'm a gamer, and the game pad gave the phone much more appeal than the other available phones. But since I like to mess with phones, as I had on my previous ones, I decided to jump right in to the scene, as I had before.
Now, I've followed all of the recommended routes with this phone. I've paid to have the bootloader unlocked, read up on the things I need to know to manipulate this phone, and have tried to help other users in figuring out their phones. I'm not going to say I've contributed anything, really, because I call it just being a helpful person. Heck, I've even clicked the "Thanks" button a few times! While I can't say that all of the R800x users have followed the same path as I have, I can say that given the seclusion that we CDMA users have faced hasn't gotten the core of us down. In fact, as an example, chevyowner was single-handedly modifying the CM9 roms to work for us CDMA users, making the data and such work just as flawlessly as it does for GSM users. When he said he got a new phone and wouldn't be able to "port" it anymore, at least three members immediately stood up to take his place. If that's not a community coming together, I don't know what is.
Oh, and as for calling out the R800x noobs, take a look in the Q&A sections, the GSM threads, and heck, take a look at the thread that started this all, the MIUI thread. I see far more GSM members complaining, moaning, and bugging the devs than I do CDMA users. So before you single out a small group that has already been secluded time and time again, take a look at the bigger picture.
One more thing. People who can only get reliable CDMA signal in their area can't simply "stop being cheap and buy an unlocked phone." Your special unlocked GSM phones won't work on our network. Now before you say I'm complaining, I'm not. It's my choice to stay on Verizon's network, and truth be told, I don't mind having to look a little harder to mod the phones that I have available to me. I just happened to choose this one. It's not the limited support for the R800x that bugs me, it's elitists like you that think others should conform to your standards.
Hogwarts said:
If it's already powerful what do we need to keep modding it for?
The only mods that make sense now are hardware ones. and that is the new direction I'm headed
Mainly because I want my Xperia to pickup better signal while I'm out around and exploring new citys.
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I'm just a user myself, but XDA is primarily a development site, not a user support site, people are here for the modding. Most people seems to forget this which is also why there are lots of trolls.
Anyway, to answer your question, I like my Android like my linux, not like iOS. Besides flashing radios can improve signal and other software factors has effects too.