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January 22nd North American 850MHz HSPA 3G Blackstone...

Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812

Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....

What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.

Lokosis said:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.

hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.

b-e-a-s-t said:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.

850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?

cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.

I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G

Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...

Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?

Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.

tbfl said:
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Doesnt work

b-e-a-s-t said:
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
tbfl said:
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Sadly, no 3G for me.

You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.

cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.

for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc

Tremere said:
No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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McHale said:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.

Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.

So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...

3G ATT (usa)?

not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!

1. Nope. It's all hardware.
2. See above. Nope.
It's all edge, my friend!

b-16707 said:
not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
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The HTC HD2 will not use 3g in the US. But since the phone is so fast, browsing the internet using edge is faster then with 3G on a sony X1a (my last phone).

do you already have an HD2? Regardless of anything you've read thus far, 3G is hardware dependent. No USA 3G internal radio? No USA 3G.
If you don't already have one, just wait until next month because the HD2 is supposedly coming to Telstra (who operates on 850mhz 3G, just like AT&T). HTC have said that the HD2 is coming in Q1 2010 but it's more than likely going toward T-Mo (based on leaked pics) or other carriers other than AT&T.

ah well i was under the impression that the hardware was both same for euro and us releases and just the software controlling it was different...(and how come they didnt name it the T8582 vs the T8585 as with the HD1 standard for the 2 different radios?....how they gonna distinguish the different hardware HD2s?)
come next year i may just sell mine for the new one (testra one you said). i dont suppose that tmo one will work with att 3g as its on a worldwide 3g band huh.
truly is a nice phone no doubt still

T-Mo US operates on 1700mhz AND 2100mhz for 3G (someone correct me if im wrong...one for uplink and the other for downlink). ATT can operate on 850mhz OR 1900mhz. The European version only has 900mhz and 2100mhz. As you can see, if you use the HD2 in the US (t-mo or ATT) right now, you're restricted to only EDGE unless they both possess their respective 3G bands.

this is what someone on htcforums.com said to me...confirm? deny? reject? love? i guess im just receiving conflicting info as to why this guy would believe this then?
"What you are asking about is a software differentiation. According to PDADB.net, the HD2 US version is scheduled for March 2010. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2 ... us_htc_leo
The GSM version currently available is capable of T-Mobile US 3G frequencies; as T-Mo is the only US company to use WorldWide frequencies {2100MHz}. The version that is scheduled for March will be for AT&T frequencies. Since the hardware on these two versions are identical, you could flash a WorldWide version with a US version radio, & use a WW version with AT&T."

Your link doesnt work. I don't want to beat on a dead horse, but countless of T-Mo USA users have the HD2 and they could only have access to EDGE. Like I said, for T-Mo USA, their 3G has a split frequency (one for upload the other for download) that's why you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz.

thats the link
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
bah oh well. the dude seems adamant that it will work...

ah here we go, this was the comparison i was looking for
USA
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
other
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&view=1&c=htc_hd2_t8585_htc_leo_100
this on HTC's site
Europe: Network Bands
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
Asia Pacific:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
which means it can work here no? since USA att 3G is 850 or 1900?

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz <--3G
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <-- EDGE

Your problem is that you're looking at the voice/2G/EDGE bands. The HD2 is a quadband phone, so you can pretty much use it anywhere in the world. Your original question was regarding 3G, which the HD2 does not support here in the USA (yet).
3G would be this line HSPA/WCDMA. See how it's only support 900/2100mhz?

GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...

b-16707 said:
GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is voice and EDGE (data)

For ATT the key is 850mhz 3G as that what ATT has been adding, I don't believe they are doing any new 1900 towers. You can bing it there are lot's of articles about the iPhone congestion and changing/adding 850 towers. If we are lucky Telstra an, Australian carrier, will pick up the phone soon because they use the same 850 just like ATT. This is how people got the 3G on the HD(1) to work on ATT in the united states. HTCPedia posted a Telstra HD2 rom on Dec 9th, so hopefully they are close to releasing.

HTC HD2 3G Not Detected!!!!!

Hello if someone could help me with my 3G connection inquiry, I would greatly appreciate it.
I bought this phone unlocked from Hong Kong and brought it back to Canada. But the 3G connection through Rogers won't work. I am able to connect to edge (When i pop in my sisters sim card which has a data plan, as my sim card currently does not have a data plan).
I talked to Rogers and they said that everything is compatable (After mentioning the phone frequencies and speed capabilities) and that the only reason 3G isnt working is that I have not configured my phone properly for 3G and at this moment it is configured for 2G (Edge).
I then contacted HTC and they said the reason was because "for the Rogers network, their 3G signal is operated on the 850/1900 MHZ band and the Touch HD2 operates on the 900/2100 MHZ band." Could this be the reason? Will i never taste the pleasures of a 3G connection?
PLEASE HELP!!

since you have bought it in hongkong most probably you have the asian version. It comes with 900/2100 MHZ bands and as you mentioned ROger needs 850/1900 frequency.
You could also get Telstra version from Australia and unlock it as it has 850/1900 frquency so that you could get 3g. But not possible on the one you already have.

Yea its the frequencies. When I take my phones abroad, I always check what frequencies the country has. If the frequencies don't match, the phone won't work in terms of placing calls, 3G etc.

is there a way to unlock ?

meow914 said:
is there a way to unlock ?
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There is no software that can get around this "problem"
It is purely a hardware limitation.

perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure

[email protected] said:
perhaps with flashing radio but i'm not shure
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Nope, it still will not support the correct bands that he needs
This is a completely hardware related problem

simple solution....
simple solution...sell it or trade it fot the right one

[Q] Telstra Australia AP settings & speed ?

Hi all,
Mostly a lurker here over the years, love the site and forums - great community! I'm running latest JG4 Optus on my SGS with the new "2200 score" lagfix - awesome!
Anyone else getting really slow data on Telstra? I have tried telstra.wap telstra.corp telstra.internet telstra.iph all of these AP's give extremely slow data, and the phone symbol at the top flicks between 'H' (assume HSDPA) and 3G at times. I'm talking 0.4mpbs.
My friend is on Optus and his *cough* iPhone is getting 4.45mbps, in comparison my speed is nowhere near this speed. I am in metro Melbourne.
Anyone else have slow Telstra experience or know a trick or setting to help out - would be much appreciated!
Thanks all.

i could be wrong, but i dont think the galaxy s supports telstra network very well, if at all. dunno, not real tecchy, but its what ive heard round the traps. something to do with the bands the phone supports (900/2100 or 2200ish) and telstra is 850 something or other. smarter people than me will be able to clarify.

Correct, Telstra uses 850mhz and 2100 (apparently). But, only some variants support 850, and Telstra are releasing their own for that frequency. So I'd imagine that 2100 simply has lower coverage (Optus on the otherhand uses the more standard 900mhz frequency).
If you already own the phone, you may wish to consider moving to an optus based network (such as Exetel for Virgin). However, it is also entirely possible/probable that the galaxy S ships with a chip that supports 850mhz, and it simply needs to be enabled (I have seen threads which showed a way to apparently enable it).
Or, it may be just reception probs

Hi, thanks for the input...
According to http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification the phone does support 850 and 2100. Strange

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Hi, thanks for the input...
According to http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification the phone does support 850 and 2100. Strange
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It possibly does, but which country did you purchase it in? Remember, some countries might have had it disabled (because they don't use 850, or have other services on those frequencies).

andrewluecke said:
It possibly does, but which country did you purchase it in? Remember, some countries might have had it disabled (because they don't use 850, or have other services on those frequencies).
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Hi Andrew Purchased in Australia from Allphones "unlocked". Tried the 850 band turn on and various other fiddles in that debug/phone settings area relating to 3G and HSDPA - unfortunately the max I've seen on Telstra is 0.40Mbps, my friend gets 4.45Mbps on iPhone/Optus
Coverage in my area is usually great, I'm in Melb metro area and normally full bars.

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Hi Andrew Purchased in Australia from Allphones "unlocked". Tried the 850 band turn on and various other fiddles in that debug/phone settings area relating to 3G and HSDPA - unfortunately the max I've seen on Telstra is 0.40Mbps, my friend gets 4.45Mbps on iPhone/Optus
Coverage in my area is usually great, I'm in Melb metro area and normally full bars.
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mate it might be worth a look over at whirlpool forums, they seem to have a fair bit of stuff about telstra and the galaxy s over there, so you should hopefully find some help

Hi, thanks for all the information, heres the low down:
Telstra has WCDMA 2100 and 850 bands, but the Galaxy S badged versions of this phone only support quad band in GSM, it is triband on WCDMA and unfortunately 850 isn't supported Telstra will be selling a different version of this phone shortly ("Captivate" badge!?!?!?) which WILL support their 3.5G 850 network at full speed.
Bummer!

[Q] [REQ] Hero Telstra Radio

Hi,
Seeing as most heroes including mine are on the GSM band of 900MHz and not the 850MHz that for some reason Telstra decided to use in rural areas, is it possible to flash another radio to 'unlock' (right word?) the 850MHz band to allow HSDPA speeds for me as opposed to the Edge network?
If this is possible, does anyone know where to get the radio for this?
TIA

hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?

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hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?
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and how would you make a call then?

I think he meant FM? It still has that via headphones. Any ideas on topic would be nice though
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.

Killafish is SOOOOOO WRONG
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its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.
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So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.

Here it is...
I tried posting the radio file but it is too large for XDA. Sorry.

regarding to the HTC site the hero has those freqs:
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Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
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850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and I think these should work with all radio versions.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/specification.html
but it does not have FM.

I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?

guy_smiley said:
I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?
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No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V

Kanzar said:
No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V
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Damn, not what I was hoping for but thanks for the reply
I wholeheartedly agree. Looks like I'll be cracking open the Desire when I get home instead of flogging it off on fleabay

eatmydave said:
So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.
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as has been made clear, he has an Australian Hero which only has 900/2100 3g bands. I probably should have stated I was assuming that when I posted my comment.
The Hero was never sold via carriers in Australia, only through electronic retailers, hence Telstra never actually sold the phone.