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It's official - Phoenix, AZ to be the first WiMAX+LTE city this Fall!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/...re-its-mouth-is-announces-lte-trial/#comments
In case anyone doesn't realize, clearwire is owned primarily by Sprint and is used for all of Sprint's 4g services.
I thought they forgot about us when they were actually just waiting to announce we were getting both LTE AND WiMAX!

just came here to post this...
and just think...one poster said basically phoenis is a bunch of low lifes with no tech jobs...thats until i informed him that he was wrong.....very wrong.
good news either way.
Press Release
Clearwire Announces New 4G LTE Technology Trials Expected to Yield Unmatched Wireless Speeds in the U.S.
* Initial Tests Expected to Demonstrate Real-World Download Speeds Ranging from 20-70 Mbps, Significantly Faster than the 5-12 Mbps Expected from Other Operators in the U.S.
* New Trials to Showcase Unique Advantages of Clearwire's Vast Spectrum Holdings and Flexibility of Company's All-IP Network Architecture to Test Multiple Coexistence Scenarios Between LTE and WiMAX
* Unprecedented Technical Trials to Test Both FDD LTE and TDD LTE Using Commercially Available Equipment on One of World's Most Widely Used 4G Frequency Band by Global Operators
KIRKLAND, Wash., Aug 04, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Clearwire Corporation (NASDAQ:CLWR), a leading provider of wireless broadband services and operator of the largest 4G network in the country, today announced plans to conduct 4G LTE technology trials expected to yield unmatched wireless speeds in the U.S., and to test multiple coexistence scenarios between LTE and WiMAX radio technologies. The new tests are designed to showcase the unique capability of Clearwire's unmatched spectrum holdings and examine a variety of potential future technology combinations that could yield additional benefits to consumers and shareholders.
"Clearwire's unmatched spectrum and all-IP network make us the only service provider in the U.S. able to conduct tests of this nature and on this scale," said Dr. John Saw, Clearwire's chief technology officer. "As we have consistently stated, we remain technology agnostic, but WiMAX provides us with unique advantages to meet the needs of our customers today. Ultimately, consumers don't care about technical acronyms, but they do care about quality and affordable Internet services that work where and when they want, and that's what we're focused on delivering. Part of our technical due diligence at Clearwire is to be prepared to leverage a number of possible opportunities as we future-proof our network, and that's the goal of these tests."
The company expects the technical trials to demonstrate that Clearwire's 4G network can deliver significantly higher performance using LTE technologies than any other operator. Clearwire plans to conduct the tests in collaboration with Huawei Technologies, the same infrastructure provider which deployed the world's first commercial LTE network in Europe, using the same spectrum band and flexible base station platform that Clearwire utilizes in the United States. In the same vein, Clearwire will also be testing LTE on Samsung Electronics' common base station platform which it currently uses for its mobile WiMAX deployments. During the trials, Clearwire will collaborate with Beceem, and other partners, to determine the best methods for enabling end-user devices to take advantage of a potential multi-mode WiMAX/LTE network. Other participating vendors for Clearwire's technical trials are expected to be named at a later date. In addition, due to the global dominance of the 2.5 GHz - 2.6 GHz spectrum band, a number of large wireless operators are expected to participate with Clearwire on these tests. Additional details about those companies are also expected to be disclosed at a later date. The tests will be conducted in the fall and throughout early 2011 in Phoenix, Arizona.
Dr. Saw continued, "The 2.5 GHz spectrum band is universally allocated for global 4G deployments, so it has the potential to create one of the world's most robust ecosystem across billions of devices. We believe this commonality will result in a massive diversity of mobile devices and applications, at comparably low costs, due to unmatched economies-of-scale. In a 4G world, wireless coverage is important, but capacity is king. This capacity is a unique and sustainable advantage for Clearwire, thanks to our all-IP network and unmatched spectrum holdings."
Test Scenarios
Clearwire expects to conduct tests across three key areas:
* FDD LTE: Clearwire intends to conduct FDD LTE (Frequency Division Duplex) tests using 40 MHz of spectrum, paired in 20 MHz contiguous channels, of its 2.5 GHz spectrum. Clearwire expects to confirm the capability to produce real-world download speeds that range from 20-70 Mbps. This is expected to be significantly faster than the 5-12 Mbps speeds currently envisioned by other LTE deployments in the U.S., which will rely on smaller pairs of 10 Mhz channels or less.
* TDD LTE: Clearwire will concurrently test TDD LTE (Time Division Duplex), in a 20 MHz configuration, which is twice the channel size currently used in its 4G WiMAX deployments.
* WiMAX and LTE: Clearwire will also test WiMAX co-existence with both FDD LTE and TDD LTE to confirm the flexibility of its network and spectrum strength to simultaneously support a wide-range of devices across its all-IP network.
The company also restated its commitment to use WiMAX technology for its current 4G build plan. Since the company expects that a significant number of LTE devices will be available in coming years, Clearwire is conducting technical trials to determine how it could potentially add LTE technology to coexist with WiMAX.
Additional details about the new technology tests were not disclosed. General information about Clearwire is available at http://www.clearwire.com. For more information about CLEAR 4G service, visit http://www.clear.com or The CLEAR Blog http://www.theclearblog.com. You can also follow CLEAR information on Twitter at @Clear.
For press and broadcast: product images, video footage and company logos can be downloaded from the Clearwire website at: http://www.clearwire.com/newsroom. To subscribe to Clearwire's RSS news feed, click here.
About Clearwire
Clearwire Corporation (NASDAQ:CLWR), through its operating subsidiaries, is a leading provider of wireless broadband services. As of June 30, Clearwire's 4G network is currently available in areas of the U.S. where approximately 56 million people live and the company plans to continue to expand its 4G coverage. Clearwire's open all-IP network, combined with significant spectrum holdings, provides an unprecedented combination of speed and mobility to deliver next generation broadband access. The company markets its 4G service through its own brand called CLEAR(R) as well as through its wholesale relationships with Sprint, Comcast and Time Warner Cable. Strategic investors include Intel Capital, Comcast, Sprint, Google, Time Warner Cable, and Bright House Networks. Clearwire is headquartered in Kirkland, Wash. Additional information is available at http://www.clearwire.com.

That's insane , in a good way off course. To have both LTE And wimax, oh boy this is scary.
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Time to start checking for 4g every couple of days - clearwire has a habit of turning up their wimax radios long before they actually release a press release saying it's fully turned on...

It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
That'd be mostly welcome =D

foueddyf said:
It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
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You won't be able to use LTE (which they are touting as having the "insane speeds") with the Evo as it is WiMAX only, but when they say a trial, I assume they are referring to at least turning on Sprint device access to WiMAX.

holob said:
You won't be able to use LTE (which they are touting as having the "insane speeds") with the Evo as it is WiMAX only, but when they say a trial, I assume they are referring to at least turning on Sprint device access to WiMAX.
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I thought the main difference between Wimax and LTE was software and not hardware, so with an update to our radio it should be able to access the LTE network.

About damn time.....

sweet, ill just be getting back there for school, this works out perfectly

Wait, I just realized this means absolutely nothing for us as of now. This isn't an official release of "sprint's" 4g, just an expansion of clear's infrastructure that's already here.
Sorry guys, until Sprint opens the doors on clear's 4g for us, then there's nothing to get excited about.

naw son
foueddyf said:
It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
That'd be mostly welcome =D
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The EVO is WiMax only. It's core processor is not configured for LTE's modulation and would require physical correction to activate LTE capabilities, as software would only "allow" it, but wouldn't make it happen. As far as WiMax availability, WiMax would only become availabe via a deliberate build-out of WiMax capable reception towers. These LTE trials are on a "minimum necessary" basis i.e. they don't erect many towers, won't include multimode WiMax/LTE towers, and it's possible the towers in these trials may only be used on temporary licensing and zoning permits that require their dismantling after a certain period of time or require costly re-certification. In addition, it'd be unwise for a cash flow ignorant company like Sprint/Clear to continue wasting money by erecting multimode LTE/WiMax towers when WiMax has already been proven enough that it should just be deployed. Multimode towers will continue to be more costly to run with the increasing demand for network capacity. If multimode towers are used just for a trial, it'd really be a spit in the face to those already paying for 4G speeds with the data premium required for having a EVO.

edtate said:
Wait, I just realized this means absolutely nothing for us as of now. This isn't an official release of "sprint's" 4g, just an expansion of clear's infrastructure that's already here.
Sorry guys, until Sprint opens the doors on clear's 4g for us, then there's nothing to get excited about.
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I believe Sprint gets automatic access to clear's 4g when they turn it on. Press releases usually coincide for Sprint and Clearwire to the minute and Sprint is the controlling and majority shareholder for Clearwire. Once Clearwire turns on WiMAX service here, we should have access to it.
Also, if you notice in Clear's press releases they mention "wholesale" customers and that they get a "nominal" fee for them even if they aren't in a covered area. Basically, Clearwire gets an automatic chunk of that $10 fee we pay even if we aren't in a 4g area.

JBundy said:
The EVO is WiMax only. It's core processor is not configured for LTE's modulation and would require physical correction to activate LTE capabilities, as software would only "allow" it, but wouldn't make it happen. As far as WiMax availability, WiMax would only become availabe via a deliberate build-out of WiMax capable reception towers. These LTE trials are on a "minimum necessary" basis i.e. they don't erect many towers, won't include multimode WiMax/LTE towers, and it's possible the towers in these trials may only be used on temporary licensing and zoning permits that require their dismantling after a certain period of time or require costly re-certification. In addition, it'd be unwise for a cash flow ignorant company like Sprint/Clear to continue wasting money by erecting multimode LTE/WiMax towers when WiMax has already been proven enough that it should just be deployed. Multimode towers will continue to be more costly to run with the increasing demand for network capacity. If multimode towers are used just for a trial, it'd really be a spit in the face to those already paying for 4G speeds with the data premium required for having a EVO.
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It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.

holob said:
It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.
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Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected. Clearwire should be kissing Intel's ass for being able to go multimode. @Holob, maybe post what you observe this fall??? Looking forward to it here in Wisconsin. We have been given no forward looking statement of when to expect anything here.

holob said:
It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.
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The results of the trial is the direction Sprint/Clearwire will go. Sprint wants to change its core network so either they will do LTE/WiMax, transition to WiMax 2 (no way that's happening), or fully transition their current WiMax to LTE. They are planning to upgrade current WiMax 802.16e to WiMax 802.16e Enhanced, which bridge them closer to WiMax 2, TD-LTE, and FDD-LTE.
Another issue is which version of LTE will Sprint/Clearwire chooses. If they decide to go with TDD-LTE, they will be still be the odd man out. The majority of the world is going with FDD. Different bands will be an issue, but roaming agreements will probably take place. All of the US carriers will need this be to solved.
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Financial woes at Clearwire force cuts in 4G expansion

From PCMag.com:
Cash-Strapped Clearwire Slashes Staff, Halts Roll Outs:
Clearwire has run into some money troubles. In a third-quarter earnings report, the company said it has "not yet secured future funding," and must implement a number of cost-saving measures, including layoffs and a suspension of additional market roll outs.
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I have to worry about the future of Sprint's 4G network.

It says in the article that sprints 4g plans have not changed. Kinda sucks but oh well.

Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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omeinv said:
Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?

boomerbubba said:
But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.

Kcarpenter said:
Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.
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I'm not talking about the contract agreements, but the tangible network infrastructure. It is the real boots on the ground that are being cut.
It seems pretty simple: If the actual Wimax network doesn't get physically built out or expanded, then it isn't there for Sprint to use. (It also wouldn't be there for Clear service, Time Warner mobile data service, etc., which I don't care about.)

Well I do know that we got 4G in South FL now. not all areas, but most. my house doesn't have it, but south and north of me does.

You won't see anything happening to sprint. The 4G is only going to get bigger.
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people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now

I concur with boomer.

surveysays said:
people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now
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WTF? Clearwire is losing money, $139 million last quarter and has never turned a profit (sprint itself also lost one billion dollars this quarter alone).
The analysts are saying the NY rollout was done with the very last of clearwire's reserves.
this means cuts in 4g rollout for clearwire which is the rollout of sprint 4G.
It isn't a question of them turning out the lights, yet, but it is that this clearly means that the new rollouts, and existing cities which all need beefing up and maintenance as more users come on line, will suffer.
Expansion and much needed beefing up of already deployed markets will suffer -- there is no other way to read it. Clearwire is also not going to be able to fund its planned changeover to LTE without a major injection of money from god knows where, or selling some if ts spectrum

boomerbubba said:
But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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Absolutely

I talked to a fry's employee the other day (facts to keep in mind: in Orange County, CA, Fry's doesn't carry sprint, and they work on commission.) He said that 4G was going to go away, that no more towers were going up, and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers. For reference, I get 5mbits down on 4G in that particular location.
He went on to say that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom), and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones. But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
Prior, I had just asked him if they sold extra batteries for the Epic. But either way, i'm curious which bits could be true. This was last week, before I saw a lot of these publicized sprint/clearwire woes.

decalex said:
I talked to a fry's employee the other day...
...He said that 4G was going to go away,
...that no more towers were going up
...and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers..
...that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom),
.....and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones.
.....But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
...... i'm curious which bits could be true.
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A: None
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The plot thickens.
http://androidspin.com/2010/11/13/goodbye-clear-can-clear-survive-with-or-without-sprint/

"reported that the two carriers have entered into an arbitration process regarding the “Premium Fee” of $10 per month for Evo 4G and Epic 4G phones. Clearwire said that there are nearly 810,000 customers with either the Evo or Epic phones; out of these customers Clearwire estimates as many as 364,500 of them are being used in cities without WiMAX deployment areas. This has led Sprint to reevaluate the agreement that they have with Clear"
Does this mean sprint is looking at not charing people the $10 fee if they dont live in a area with 4g/wimax? We dont have it in my area but have been thinking of going to sprint but we want 4 good android phoens and $40 a month kinda defeats the purpose of going to sprint to save cash

It means Sprint thinks Clear(wire) isn't delivering on its promise to deliver 4G and they're (Sprint) is concerned Clear is (may) take some of Sprint's customers.
The fee won't go away; Clear needs it to stay liquid and not go into bankruptcy. But if Clear takes Sprint customers, Sprint can't pay the wholesale fees for 4G spectrum.
Basically unless Sprint can get some cash into Clear (subscribers or investors or buyers), Clear goes bankrupt within 12 months and WIMAX disappears. Sprint might sell off thr WIMAX spectrum as no other carrier in the U.S. wants WIMAX - they're all LTE.
If Clear goes, things don't look great for Sprint.
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sprint needs to follow verizons path, and offer 4g in every football city.

clearwire more trouble.

The chairman of Clearwire's board of directors will resign his position today, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Craig McCaw, who served as chairman for two years, did not resign over any disagreements with the company or over any matters pertaining to the company's operations or practices, according to the filing.
The company, which has visions of being a major player in the 4G wireless space, has been adding subscribers at a rapid clip as the WiMax technology has rolled out into cities. But the company has also hit a cash crunch and, last month, said it will have to cut its workforce by 15 percent, trim its marketing spending, and delay plans for launches in other cities. Read more of "Clearwire's Chairman to resign post today" at ZDNet.

Good shut clear down for good make sprint rules the real 4g with no caps at dial up speeds or lower
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You do realize that shutting clear down at this time means losing complete access to 4g right?
Better for that to happen after the network changes where 4G equipment is on our towers and in our BTS boxes and what not.
Otherwise Sprint has no 4G hardware solution currently deployed in any box or tower.
So...lets get that done first.

competition in business is a GOOD thing.

No Clearwire = No 4G = No $10/mo multimedia rich experience fee?
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If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?

sprint more than likely will join LTE regardless of what happens with clear although Wimax2 is a beast

I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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Blitzpwnage said:
I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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Not true.
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wimax is supposedly lte compatible but only if you take a big performance hit, the reason being that wimax and lte is supposed to be the same hardware just different software implementation, this is what an engineer told me but i still take it with a truckload of salt, as far as i can tell only one variant of lte is compatible with wimax and offers no improvement, to my understanding its only the hardware in the tower thats cross compatible and not the lte/wimax chipsets used in phones and modems, i do recall wimax being called future proof though

I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.

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I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.
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That may be true but... Rember that lil Sprint/Clearwire merger while back? Pretty sure that makes them Sprints doesnt it?

for 4g, clearwire owns them, sprint uses them.

nuggyunlimited said:
If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?
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No, it wouldn't be recalled. No, LTE would not simply be a new hardware revision of the same phone.
Regardless of what happens with clearwire, a transition from WiMax to LTE is likely at some point. There's been speculation of that for over a year now, as LTE is emerging as the standard. I don't know if they have all the specifics worked out, but they'll probably look for a way to light up LTE and phase out WiMax at a later time. If they go that route, at some point they'll stop marketing WiMax phones. 2 years from that point, everybody is upgrade eligible, so they notify everyone that it's time to upgrade, or 4G access won't be available. The 3G network will probably still be alive and well, so it won't be a brick.
As to whether a sudden bankruptcy of clearwire would mean 4G would go dark prematurely, I think that's unlikely. Despite their debt problems, the network and spectrum they own is a major asset. Sprint is also a majority owner, and the original owner of some of those assets as well. Sprint has a major interest in that infrastructure continuing to exist and serve their customers. I think it's pretty likely that some arrangement will be made that would be completely transparent to customers as far as operation of the network.

Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.

scooter185 said:
Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.
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From what I heard, Sprint did something to try to protect themselves from responsibility if Clearwire fails ultimately via their execs stepping down from Clearwire's board of directors? Something to that effect. I'm not sure if it was intentional, though, since I guess it was related to anti-trust issues but in the long run it might end up benefiting Sprint.
Recently Clearwire was trying to get Sprint to buy their 1.1 billion debt but the deadline passed on January 2nd and Sprint took no action to do so, so who knows.
It's been an interesting journey for Clear it seems.

Damnit! I know the Evo will probably be obsolete by the time this issue is resolved and LTE will possibly prevail but I hate being on the loosing side of the battle.
I guess this is no different than Beta vs. Vhs or HD dvd vs. Blu-ray. One format will win. I just don't like how Verizon and At&t get away with continually conning the public with over priced services and convincing them that everything they offer is superior.
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Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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tech7 said:
Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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Clearly you have NO idea what you're talking about. The two 4G towers near me are owned by CLEAR not Sprint.

In my area there are clear kiosks all over the local malls here.

There you have it, no LTE

WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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Good info, but why is the thread titled "we have LTE?" Isn't this the complete opposite of that?

Good good. Looks like we can hope for increased speed and better coverage in the future.
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Now if they would bring 4G to Louisville.. that would be great

Lexington, KY, SIR

I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.

Why is it called "there you have LTE"???

phatmanxxl said:
I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.
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I wouldn't move just for 4G. It's seriously not that big a deal. I live in a 4G area and I very, very rarely turn on my 4G radio.
However, I see in your info that you live in Dexter, so you might want to GTFO no matter what! lol (I grew up in Sikeston!)

Great sprint is sticking to a slow ass 4g network that I can't use indoors and is available for 10% of the population lol
I hope the tmobile thing happens though. Would be nice to have done real 4g.
Anyways just my .02
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Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.

bkrodgers said:
The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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aray92 said:
Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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Out of curiosity, does wimax 2 penetrate better? (insert butthead laughing here)
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bkrodgers said:
The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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it does mention wimax... and long future.
i am glad we are staying with wimax.. and hope this is not a smoke screen.

crabjoe said:
Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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Ignore The Smoke: Sprint And Clearwire Are Absolutely Going LTE
CEO Continues To Downplay Massive Shift On Horizon
by Karl Bode 3 hours ago tags: coverage · business · hardware · bandwidth · consumers · Sprint Telecom · wireless · Clearwire Wireless · Clearwire
Yesterday we exclusively reported that Lightsquared would be ditching Nokia for their LTE network build, instead piggybacking on Sprint's base station overhaul being conducted by Alcatel-Lucent, Ericcson and Samsung. Speaking at the Deutsche Bank Media and Telecom Conference today (audio here), Sprint CEO Dan Hesse reiterated Sprint's dedication to Clearwire and WiMax, despite numerous signs the company is ready to go the LTE route, alone if necessary. "Every option that we're looking at, every one includes WiMAX and Clearwire," Hesse informed attendees, while insisting that neither Clearwire or Sprint have made any decision to migrate to LTE.
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That's in sharp contrast from what we're hearing from numerous insiders at both companies. Several sources familiar with Sprint's engineering agenda note that Sprint absolutely will be going LTE, though WiMax service will be run simultaneously initially. Aside from the energy efficiency and cost savings, LTE flexibility is among the top reasons for Sprint's recently announced $5 billion base station retrofit.
Insiders familiar with Clearwire's plans meanwhile tell Broadband Reports Clearwire has also already made the decision to embrace LTE -- and the only question is what specific flavor of LTE and what vendor(s). Next month Clearwire executives will attend a test of three different LTE technologies from various vendors, including TD-LTE and FD-LTE, outside of Scottsdale, Arizona. Meanwhile, several Clearwire sources insist the company has placed a freeze on the installation of any new Mobile WiMax basestations.
While it's clear that all of this signals the inevitable death of Mobile WiMax as a serious player in North America (outside of niche application), what isn't clear is the width and breadth of Sprint and Clearwire's future relationship. That won't be fully apparent until Sprint and Clearwire negotiations are complete. Sprint's future plans could very well include Clearwire, though Sprint has been engaged in a significant number of contingency plans in case Clearwire falters, ranging from their as-yet-unannounced partnership with Lightsquared, to this week's renewed rumors of a potential T-Mobile/Sprint merger. Expect Lightsquared to make some of this official at CTIA later this month.

dont care if its 4g or LTE ... FIX YOUR DAMN 3g data !

yeah article doesn't say they wont go LTE just that they are sticking with WiMax for a long time with Clearwire. Its been rumored also for awhile that they could do dual WiMax and add LTE on the old nextel freq. Which makes sense, why ditch wimax and that use of the spectrum if you dont have to? There not putting LTE in that band so it makes no sense to get fully rid of WiMax.

DirtyShroomz said:
Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?

fixxxer2008 said:
soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?
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no not at all confirmed

Sprint may end deal with Lightsquared

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-end-to-deal-with-falcone-s-lightsquared.html
Sprint Said to Plan End to Deal With Falcone’s LightSquar
By Scott Moritz and Olga Kharif - Mar 7, 2012 1:32 PM PT
Sprint Nextel Corp. (S) plans to end a network-sharing agreement with billionaire Philip Falcone’s LightSquared Inc. (SKYT) wireless venture as early as next week, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Sprint is preparing to take the step as LightSquared approaches a March 15 deadline to meet certain conditions under the agreement, said the people, who wouldn’t be identified because the information isn’t public. Sprint and LightSquared struck an 11-year deal to share network expansion costs and equipment in June provided LightSquared secure regulatory approvals for its wireless service by December. Though Sprint pushed the deadline back, it doesn’t plan more extensions, the people said.
The Sprint Nextel Corp. sign is seen on facade of a Sprint Nextel Corp. store in San Francisco, California. The loss of Sprint would fuel concerns about the viability of LightSquared. Photographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg
The loss of Sprint would fuel concerns about the viability of LightSquared and mark another setback for Falcone. The hedge fund manager has invested about $3 billion from his Harbinger Capital Partners in LightSquared in an effort to create a national wireless carrier to compete against AT&T Inc. (T) and Verizon Wireless. Harbinger managed about $4 billion at the end of last year, down from a peak of $26 billion in mid-2008.
Terry Neal, a LightSquared spokesman, and Scott Sloat, a Sprint spokesman, declined to comment. Lew Phelps, a spokesman for Falcone, said he had no comment.
Sprint rose 1.7 percent to $2.43 at the close in New York. Another Sprint network partner, wholesale carrier Clearwire Corp. (CLWR), climbed 4.8 percent to $2.18.
FCC Decision
Under their agreement last year, Overland Park, Kansas- based Sprint was to build and operate LightSquared’s network for 11 years in exchange for $9 billion in payments and an additional $4.5 billion in service credits. Sprint extended the deal’s deadline as the Federal Communications Commission considered whether to allow LightSquared to convert airwaves originally designated for satellite service for communication with land-based, or terrestrial, radio towers.
The FCC said last month it would block LightSquared’s planned network because of potential disruptions to global- positioning systems. The company said after the decision that it remains committed to finding a solution to the concerns.
In the wake of that decision, Chief Executive Officer Sanjiv Ahuja resigned and Falcone was appointed to the board as the company began a search for a new CEO. The company also cut 45 percent of its 330-member staff to preserve cash.
Nokia Siemens Networks, the wireless-equipment venture of Finland’s Nokia Oyj (NOK1V) and Germany’s Siemens AG (SIE), today said it stopped work in 2011 on the network it was building for LightSquared.
Skipped Payment
“While we have a contract with LightSquared, they previously asked us to put our activities related to the network build on hold while they resolve” issues concerning the global- positioning technology, a Nokia Siemens spokesman, Ben Roome, said by e-mail. LightSquared originally planned to spend $7 billion over eight years on the network, it said in July 2010.
LightSquared, based in Reston, Virginia, has paid Sprint $310 million in advanced payments for work on the network and its eventual operation. Sprint said in a securities filing last month that it would keep about $236 million of those payments and return as much as $74 million if the agreement was terminated after the March 15 deadline. If LightSquared’s lenders approve changes to the agreement, Sprint’s right to terminate will be deferred until June 25, according to the filing.
Effect on Clearwire
Clearwire may benefit if Sprint’s relationship with LightSquared ends. With LightSquared out of the picture, Sprint would have to rely on Clearwire’s network to meet its users’ bandwidth demands, Jennifer Fritzsche, a senior analyst at Wells Fargo Securities, said in a note today.
“We believe this news is very much expected and should not be seen as an additional negative surprise for Sprint shares,” Fritzsche said in the note.
A Clearwire spokeswoman, Susan Johnston, declined to comment.
Last month, LightSquared skipped a $56.3 million payment to its partner Inmarsat Plc (ISAT), a British satellite operator, saying the work promised hadn’t been finished.
Falcone told Harbinger investors in February that LightSquared is still exploring remedies like signal-filtering technology and a possible swap of frequencies with the military. As of the end of January, Falcone carried his investment in LightSquared’s equity at $1.5 billion, or about half of what his hedge fund had invested to date, according to a Harbinger document.
The company has also hired Moelis & Co. and other advisers to help study alternatives.
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What would be the effect of this in the future for LTE deployment? Discuss.

I don't think it will fully effect future LTE development, Sprint in my opinion was using Lightsquared to advance LTE deployment to various regions.
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Sprint has already made the Galaxy Nexus with LTE official, when they first saw problems I am sure sprint installed a back up plan
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Sprint was just using this deal to help them expand faster I believe.
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masaidjet said:
I don't think it will fully effect future LTE development, Sprint in my opinion was using Lightsquared to advance LTE deployment to various regions.
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The company who owns clearwire (WiMaXX), actually is the beginning where LTE branched off and took its ideas and formed LTE, which in essence Clearwire actually started 4G, so every other carrier may have LTE but if sprint gets LTE they actually will be fixing AT&T and Verizon LTE Towers lol

XxLostSoulxX said:
The company who owns clearwire (WiMaXX), actually is the beginning where LTE branched off and took its ideas and formed LTE, which in essence Clearwire actually started 4G, so every other carrier may have LTE but if sprint gets LTE they actually will be fixing AT&T and Verizon LTE Towers lol
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What?
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XxLostSoulxX said:
The company who owns clearwire (WiMaXX), actually is the beginning where LTE branched off and took its ideas and formed LTE, which in essence Clearwire actually started 4G, so every other carrier may have LTE but if sprint gets LTE they actually will be fixing AT&T and Verizon LTE Towers lol
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Clearwire is the long form of the marketed "Clear"
Wimax is the name of it's technology, not Company name.
LTE is different, and not the same, although currently claimed to be capable of speeds far greater than Wimax.
As for the towers, no comment there, I do recall hearing that towers are shared by companies with only their "boxes" to seperate signals but I don't know myself.
P.S. Clear doesn't need Sprint, while it did generate money, they have bigger affiliates and Investors. The contract between the two Is ending is all. Intel is one of them They're doing excellent in MetroPolitan areas.
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Shinydude100 said:
Clearwire is the long form of the marketed "Clear"
Wimax is the name of it's technology, not Company name.
LTE is different, and not the same, although currently claimed to be capable of speeds far greater than Wimax.
As for the towers, no comment there, I do recall hearing that towers are shared by companies with only their "boxes" to seperate signals but I don't know myself.
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I know wimaxx isn't company name, and towers yes ask sprint reps, LTe is based of Wimaxx.
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Shinydude100 said:
Clearwire is the long form of the marketed "Clear"
Wimax is the name of it's technology, not Company name.
LTE is different, and not the same, although currently claimed to be capable of speeds far greater than Wimax.
As for the towers, no comment there, I do recall hearing that towers are shared by companies with only their "boxes" to seperate signals but I don't know myself.
P.S. Clear doesn't need Sprint, while it did generate money, they have bigger affiliates and Investors. The contract between the two Is ending is all. Intel is one of them They're doing excellent in MetroPolitan areas.
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Clear lost a couple of its investors including google
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XxLostSoulxX said:
The company who owns clearwire (WiMaXX), actually is the beginning where LTE branched off and took its ideas and formed LTE, which in essence Clearwire actually started 4G, so every other carrier may have LTE but if sprint gets LTE they actually will be fixing AT&T and Verizon LTE Towers lol
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Reading this makes my head in essence might branch off and Clearwire hurt LTE too.

rando991 said:
Reading this makes my head in essence might branch off and Clearwire hurt LTE too.
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Huh??? didn't quite understand what you meant?

Sprints going to LTE. They noticed that their speeds weren't fast enough and were losing customers because of..
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2348z said:
Sprints going to LTE. They noticed that their speeds weren't fast enough and were losing customers because of..
-2348z Epic 4G-> CM9 Beta0
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Did you not just read anything SPRINT doesn't care for customers, their selfish just like any other Carrier its all about the Moo-Laa and not about the loyalty.
They might keep it but the way sprint does everything who knows we might just stay with WiMaxx and SOL

XxLostSoulxX said:
Did you not just read anything SPRINT doesn't care for customers, their selfish just like any other Carrier its all about the Moo-Laa and not about the loyalty.
They might keep it but the way sprint does everything who knows we might just stay with WiMaxx and SOL
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Where did you this? I want a good laugh.
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