http://support.vzw.com/system_update/htc_incredible.html
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http://support.vzw.com/system_update/htc_incredible.html
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new radio! thanks for sharing this.
I knew that all the people who were saying that it was offical that we were not getting the update were wrong. HTC never sent out any official notification sayignt that they were not updating the phone it was just some tech support guy's email who was obvioulsy clueless.
Finally. Oh boy here we go.
bring on the source code
wildstang83 said:
Finally. Oh boy here we go.
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how long before we get a rom made off this build?
Awesome. Here come the custom kernels.
well according to this its already been released......but we need someone on a stock unrooted inc to take the update....
synisterwolf said:
how long before we get a rom made off this build?
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Minutes after launch? My replacement phone gets here today unrooted so I might see if I can capture. If its not gb already.
Even if no source yet, we should get a newer radio, and a more optimized kernel!
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Minutes after launch? My replacement phone gets here today unrooted so I might see if I can capture. If its not gb already.
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Awesome, man. I may go back to stock to see if I can grab it.
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Awesome, man. I may go back to stock to see if I can grab it.
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Good. The bigger the net the better.
Zalatorisaurus said:
Awesome, man. I may go back to stock to see if I can grab it.
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Is there a thread on here that details how to go back to stock? I'll do it too if someone can direct me.
nvm, found it. Search is a good thing
I think I'm going to hold off until the developers get a chance with it. I'd hate to update to it and loss root temporarily.
gio2005 said:
I think I'm going to hold off until the developers get a chance with it. I'd hate to update to it and loss root temporarily.
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I agree with gio. Don't forget that you could possibly lose root!
Technically even a rooted stock sense phone should receive the update as the updater isn't turned off/removed. At least thats the way the Eris worked. Unless unrevoked somehow turns off the updater when it roots the phone which I'm not aware of.
kzoodroid said:
Technically even a rooted stock sense phone should receive the update as the updater isn't turned off/removed. At least thats the way the Eris worked. Unless unrevoked somehow turns off the updater when it roots the phone which I'm not aware of.
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Alot of the Dinc ROM developers did turn off the updater back when the Froyo OTA was announced due to annoying, constant pop-ups. At least I know that rmk40 did with Virtuous.
This just added over at Android Central:
"Just got word about how the over-the-air rollout's going to take place. The push is scheduled to start Tuesday, Aug. 16, with an initial 10,000 updates. Another 50,000 will get it on Wednesday, and everybody else on Friday."
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-d...-update-support-docs-now-live-verizon-website
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Alot of the Dinc ROM developers did turn off the updater back when the Froyo OTA was announced due to annoying, constant pop-ups. At least I know that rmk40 did with Virtuous.
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If you made a backup of your phone right after you rooted and before you installed a custom ROM like I did then what I'm saying is if you restore this first backup then you should get the update.
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This just added over at Android Central:
"Just got word about how the over-the-air rollout's going to take place. The push is scheduled to start Tuesday, Aug. 16, with an initial 10,000 updates. Another 50,000 will get it on Wednesday, and everybody else on Friday."
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Sweet! So we might see some pretty cool things come tomorrow eh?
Related
So I have rooted my N1 and have cyanogen, when froyo comes out and I decide i want to try it out, do i have to upload the original rom and then upgrade? or what is the best way to do it? so i can go back to cyanogen if i decide i like it better? trying to keep it as simple as possible...Thanks!!!
You don't have to do anything. It will come out as an OTA, Cyanogen will get his hands on it immediately if not a few days before the release and it will be incorporated into his ROM. You will likely have an updated version from him based on Froyo including all his extra goodies before the stock OTA is even 100% rolled out [they usually do it over a couple days].
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So I have rooted my N1 and have cyanogen, when froyo comes out and I decide i want to try it out, do i have to upload the original rom and then upgrade? or what is the best way to do it? so i can go back to cyanogen if i decide i like it better? trying to keep it as simple as possible...Thanks!!!
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FroYo will be released in June.
Google I/O is next Wednesday.
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/
2.2 will be leaked next Wednesday.
We will get it.
And laugh at people who haven't rooted.
P.S. Is it just me or does this question come up a lot? And probably will increase over the next few days/weeks...
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FroYo will be released in June.
Google I/O is next Wednesday.
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/
2.2 will be leaked next Wednesday.
We will get it.
And laugh at people who haven't rooted.
P.S. Is it just me or does this question come up a lot? And probably will increase over the next few days/weeks...
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Where do you get June from? I'm just curious because I clicked the link and I didn't see it.
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Where do you get June from? I'm just curious because I clicked the link and I didn't see it.
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From Adobe. Check this out:
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2010/04/moving_forward.html
We look forward to delivering Flash Player 10.1 for Android smartphones as a public preview at Google I/O in May, and then a general release in June. From that point on, an ever increasing number and variety of powerful, Flash-enabled devices will be arriving which we hope will provide a great landscape of choice.
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Flash requires 2.2, so a "general release" in June would mean that 2.2 would arrive sometime before then or concurrently.
Either way, we (rooters) will get both much, much earlier.
Thanks paul. I hope theres a ton of youtube videos that come from that convention.
I hope froyo has this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae01yz5z99E
Also if you get bored, watch that video over again with closed captoning, very funny =)
I doubt google is bundling Flash with the AOSP code. That would mean adobe is making flash open source(not happening) or google is locking up android(not happening). With all the talk about decoupling the android OS, the chances of something like a video player being bundled to the main OS update happening are very very very minute.
Flash will be a separate .apk, but the OS will need the frameworks to support it.
Paul22000 said:
FroYo will be released in June.
Google I/O is next Wednesday.
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/
2.2 will be leaked next Wednesday.
We will get it.
And laugh at people who haven't rooted.
P.S. Is it just me or does this question come up a lot? And probably will increase over the next few days/weeks...
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Just wondering why you say that 2.2 will be leaked during the I/O?
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Just wondering why you say that 2.2 will be leaked during the I/O?
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It irritates me because he states it as a blatant fact, where it should be said as something less direct. It is a possibility.. but it isn't exactly set in stone to happen - especially with how Google has been so closed about this release.
Froyo being leaked would be a god send, but I won't be holding my breath, simply to be suffocated at the end.
Why do you guys think flash requires 2.2? It comes incorporated into 2.2 but if you have 2.1 you will be able to install the apk and be good. Adobe said flash is coming to android 2.0 and above.
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Why do you guys think flash requires 2.2? It comes incorporated into 2.2 but if you have 2.1 you will be able to install the apk and be good. Adobe said flash is coming to android 2.0 and above.
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It requires 2.2. For a laugh I tried the flashplayer apk on my stock 2.1 installation and the package failed.
so will my rooted nexus still get the 2.2 froyo when it comes out? or do I have to relock it.
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mduber said:
so will my rooted nexus still get the 2.2 froyo when it comes out? or do I have to relock it.
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Lord, how many people are going to ask this question?
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Lord, how many people are going to ask this question?
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Oh you have no idea. When 2.2 launches there is going to be a LANDSLIDE of "OMG why dont i haev over the air update!?!?!" threads.
Read mang read... this thread only has 2pages
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so will my rooted nexus still get the 2.2 froyo when it comes out? or do I have to relock it.
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It requires 2.2. For a laugh I tried the flashplayer apk on my stock 2.1 installation and the package failed.
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so you have the froyo leak and the flash apk, and you are confirming that flash will not work on 2.1? if this is the case the people in the ppcgeek forum waiting for the evo and the incredible forum are going to be highly upset until their phone is rooted.
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so you have the froyo leak and the flash apk, and you are confirming that flash will not work on 2.1? if this is the case the people in the ppcgeek forum waiting for the evo and the incredible forum are going to be highly upset until their phone is rooted.
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Yep, at least not in its current state.
(That's what they get for buying SenseUI!)
its going to suck having to load everything back on to my phone, since this isn't a cyanogen update we will have to wipe everything. then its going to suck when cyanogen comes out with his rom a week or 2 later then we will have to wipe everything again to load cyanogen rom
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Oh you have no idea. When 2.2 launches there is going to be a LANDSLIDE of "OMG why dont i haev over the air update!?!?!" threads.
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I credit this to the lack of good stickies in this forum. Ok maybe I should change the word "good" to "useful" stickies. But there really should be a good Q&A sticky to answer everybody's question so that they don't ask it again in a new thread. For example: how many posts have you seen recently that ask "how do I root my phone?".. not many (unless its people panicing because they think they've bricked their phone) and thats because of that sticky at the top. I'm sure Paul will put together a guide (someday) and it will be at the top in no time.
Mod edit: I will pass your suggestion to the responsible forum mods.
According to TechCrunch. But I can't post links on XDA apparently, so you will have to go to techcrunch DOT com/2010/05/22/android-froyo-nexus-one/
Sorry
there is a link posted in general section
wow, will go the stock rom and see if there any update... thx !
liorra3 said:
wow, will go the stock rom and see if there any update... thx !
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u from the us?
To be or not to be?
hmmm funny how all the links are to ONE guy... would be lovely if it was the case but the odds of ONLY one set of images and ONE guy having the OTA is slightly concerning.
If he did... "go get a lottery ticket"
If he did not then i'll sit back and refresh for 3 weeks
*#*#checkin#*#*
come on Froyo it's 27 degrees celcius in the UK a great time to drop by and chill us all out!
please can anyone confirmed it
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u from the us?
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nop, but its free to try
U where you from then? Please tell us if there's any update
In fact reading into it more...
A reporter for TechCrunch website states he has had the OTA?
I'l put 2 and 2 together here and i know this smells very odd now indeed. Do not get your hopes up, and really do smell a clever ploy to attract some users.
Who says it was OTA anyway? surely guys like TechCrunch would be given a sniff anyway weeks ago?
Just my 2 cents.
When running for example Cyanogen, I have two questions someone perhapse can answer:
1) Where do I find the option to check for an OTA-update, cant find it in About in Settings?
2) Will I haveto install a stock rom to be able to do the OTA?
Tnx,
//P
israel, and there is on update to froyo here...
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israel, and there is on update to froyo here...
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Also from Israel (with CM5.0.6) but still no update I won't install it anyway, waiting for rooted version (so I can flash some Hebrew fonts)
Dude seriously? No joke?
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israel, and there is on update to froyo here...
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accept it and pull it, i can walk you through the whole thing...
i also have Cyanogen, do I have to go back to stock rom to get 2.2
1wayjonny said:
accept it and pull it, i can walk you through the whole thing...
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he most likely meant 'no'
A8000 said:
i also have Cyanogen, do I have to go back to stock rom to get 2.2
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Yes. It's an Update, not a replacement for your custom ROM. The only way you'll even get the option for an OTA update is if you flash your ROM back to stock and wait.
Or, wait for a few more hours for someone to release a rooted ROM, which is assuming the Techcrunch link is for real, which I doubt it is.
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he most likely meant 'no'
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Ah that makes more sense, damn typos!
im sure an update.zip will appear within 24 hours of the first hundred confirmed OTA's so don't fret
i bet it´s fake! and techcrunch gets some extra credits for additional clicks...
World Release! Android 2.2 FROYO on the Samsung Galaxy S. Tomorrow 12 o'clock'. AMSTERDAM
twitter.com/SamsungFirmware
At the look of this I suspect that getting 2.2 sent OTA for the Vibrant shouldn't be too far behind.
This is awesome, I heard the vibrant is supposed to get froyo early august. I am impressed with samsung, they are ready stepping up.
Do you think we would still get the update if we rooted the vibrant?
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Do you think we would still get the update if we rooted the vibrant?
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I'm pretty sure read somewhere on the forums that confirmed that even if you root it, you should still receive OTA's. However, might want to find someone that could confirm that. I'm about to go pick up my Vibrant, im so excited!
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Do you think we would still get the update if we rooted the vibrant?
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I don't see why rooting should stop you from getting the update.
If you have done more than just rooting, then I'm assuming you might have trouble getting the OTA update. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in.
EDIT: By "more than just rooting", I mean if you have installed a custom bootloader or a custom rom.
Cool beans!
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Do you think we would still get the update if we rooted the vibrant?
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Yeah, but if you install it, you will lose root. There will be a modified rom that's rooted VERY shortly after it is released though (Probably before many get the OTA update).
Wow, that was quick! Glad to see Samsung is following through with their promise and fast.
Hopefully the Vibrant will get a release in early August.
if this also includes a GPS fix, i'll be picking up a vibrant within the next week or two... after i pay AT&T my last payment on that contract. whoo!!
(first time poster, but i've been reading these forums non-stop since the release of the galaxy s phones)
Pardon my dyslexia but world release does that mean everyone? lol
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Pardon my dyslexia but world release does that mean everyone? lol
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Hope so! though t mobile will want to get their hands on it before we see an OTA, of course once a vibrant/captive compatible version hits the internet, we will see a flash ready in no time.
great news!
lol. saw this thread and looked at my twitter tab and the tweet was there waiting for me.
awesome. too bad this isn't for the vibrant. right? just the international?
Non OTA related
This is not official in any capacity. How is this related to OTA release when feed is hosted by samsung-firmware.webs ?
This is so awesome thanks for the info.
SAMSUNG BEAST VIBRANT ™ XDA APP
there should be no reason for those who rooted to not recieve an ota update. however, if you flashed a custom kernal/radio then those ota's might've been disabled.
Anyone noticed this?
http samsung-firmware.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/4360690-coming-soon-vibrant-captivate-
Looks like there is already a newer version firmware for vibrant. Mine is JFD. The latest on that page is JFE. Or, that's just a demo page...
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This is not official in any capacity. How is this related to OTA release when feed is hosted by samsung-firmware.webs ?
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Good point.
They do seem to have this screen shot on their front page. Don't know what to make of it.
http://samsung-firmware.webs.com/screenshot_16.png
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Good point.
They do seem to have this screen shot on their front page. Don't know what to make of it.
http://samsung-firmware.webs.com/screenshot_16.png
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There's also a disclaimer on the front page.
Note: All our firmwares are official Samsung Firmwares.
Everything you use here is on your own risk!
What we do is collect all firmwares and give support with our guides and forums.
So it looks like they have access to leaked firmwares or something.
More info:
http://samsung-firmware.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/4374375-hot-galaxy-s-android-2-2-
Has any one gotten it yet? Wondering if this time is real or like december again
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Gotta wait and see the day just began lol
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I am excited too. I just flashed back to DI18, and have my phone on my desk...I am checking it like every 5-10 mins lol.
What should I do ?
What should I do ?
If I have rooted and have customed rom ???
Can I still update without going back to 2.1 ???
Wow. There are a few people in here that haven't bothered to check the 2.2.1 OTA Staus thread or The Froyo OTA and all you need to know thread.
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What should I do ?
If I have rooted and have customed rom ???
Can I still update without going back to 2.1 ???
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Either Odin back to DI18, or wait for a dev to cook a clockwork compatible update.zip or a full .tar file.
over at the sprint forums the announcement post said it'll start tonight at 9 PM..
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over at the sprint forums the announcement post said it'll start tonight at 9 PM..
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Which time zone?
cesar424 said:
over at the sprint forums the announcement post said it'll start tonight at 9 PM..
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Got link?
/10 char
How is it that some people have already gotten/been notified of the update then?
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Got link?
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http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/263401#263401
cant post a link since i've never posted before so havent hit the 8 count yet lol. but this is a copy below
2/21 - Samsung Epic Maintenance Release - S700.0.5S.EB13
Enhancements/Fixes:
- Upgrade of the Google OS from Éclair to Froyo (2.2.1)
- Ability to install applications to external storage
- Improved Bluetooth device support
- Bluetooth Voice Dialing
- Flash Player 10.1
- GPS Enhancements
- Improved OS performance
- Email PIN based authentication
- User friendly tethering for 3G and 4G
Important Notes:
- The new software version is: S700.0.5S.EB13
- Access the Samsung Epic Maintenance Release Blog for install instructions
- Released in stages beginning at 9PM on 2/21, with 100% of devices having received the update within 4 days
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Oh, I see that the Sprint admin posted that.
Hopefully that is a typo and he meant 9AM. A couple people have already gotten the update.
I guess you go to about phone and update firmware and if the firmware is ready it will give it to you?
Personally I am doubting that the rumors of anyone getting the update already are true. I can't imagine that with as many people who are watching and waiting for this that nobody who is on any of these forums has gotten anything yet.
I have been sitting here toggling back and forth between forums thinking just that and then I saw the 9pm time and it all made sense.
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Oh, I see that the Sprint admin posted that.
Hopefully that is a typo and he meant 9AM. A couple people have already gotten the update.
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Where have you seen people that have it?
Sent from my never been rooted, always stock eclair Epic.
One on PPCGeeks and one on the main Sprint forum.
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One on PPCGeeks and one on the main Sprint forum.
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From what I gather that is the same person. I have found no confirmation of anyone that has actually installed the update.
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How is it that some people have already gotten/been notified of the update then?
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I had a voicemail update this morning, perhaps some others got it also and were a little confused???
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I had a voicemail update this morning, perhaps some others got it also and were a little confused???
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That could be it. I had 3 updates this morning, but I odinned back to dg27 last night, so I got d07, di18, & vm update. I could see somebody getting one of these & thinking it was a new update
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Been gone from the Eris side for almost a year now. Wanted drop a gift for everyone tonight.
We have been working on this since we got the dev Thunderbolt phone. This is a merge of 2.1 Stock Eris and the 2.2 Thunderbolt rom. Brings the new Sense from thunderbolt along with HTCSense.com compatibility from the DesireHD.
Fast, smooth and basic. Beyond that, nothing else really to day.
Don't let sense scare you off, ask the "old timers", when I drop a rom (rarely) you know its good.
As always, do a nandroid backup before flashing. Tested with amon ra's recovery. I take no responsibility for failing to backup, or damaged caused by my work. </disclaimer>
http://www.multiupload.com/SZ29O4Q5NV
Enjoy,
jcase
TeamAndIRC
*This is a humorous rom, do a nandroid back before flashing. Not ment for daily use. Not harmful. blah blah warning because people don't read the post anyways. For those that are not aware, ask anyone who was on this board last year about Codered.
Wow
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So this is a 2.2 sense ROM then?
Sounds interesting, I haven't used a sense rom in ages. I'll give it a whirl.
Same here I'll have to flash and see
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Very responsive. No bugs as of yet. This just may be my daily driver!!
Having trouble getting SU permissions for anything. redownloaded the latest superuser, nothing happens. It goes to a blank black screen rather than asking for root rights. Ditto for using terminal and typing in the "su" command. Anyone else?
Also the firmware version is 1.5 (cupcake)?
I can attach logcat if you need it
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Having trouble getting SU permissions for anything. redownloaded the latest superuser, nothing happens. It goes to a blank black screen rather than asking for root rights. Ditto for using terminal and typing in the "su" command. Anyone else?
Also the firmware version is 1.5 (cupcake)?
I can attach logcat if you need it
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What Sounds like you reverted to stock, maybe an old ruu on your sdcard? Reflash the rom again, I just downloaded and retested, Seems fine here.
jcase said:
What Sounds like you reverted to stock, maybe an old ruu on your sdcard? Reflash the rom again, I just downloaded and retested, Seems fine here.
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not a chance of an RUU or flashback on my SD card.. just took a look at the build prop from your zip that you put in the OP. Just a mistake, or.......?
ro.build.id=CUPCAKE
ro.build.display.id=CUPCAKE.eng.u70000.20091221.113822
ro.build.version.incremental=104882
ro.build.version.sdk=3
ro.build.version.release=1.5
ro.build.date=Mon Dec 21 11:39:45 CST 2009
ro.build.date.utc=1261366785
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Was literally 5 seconds away from flashing it.... Is this an april fools prank? >:|
viogrep said:
Was literally 5 seconds away from flashing it.... Is this an april fools prank? >:|
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That was my initial thought when I first loaded it up with the bootani, but then I thought, no way is a respected XDA dev like jcase gonna mess around like that with an entire ROM. Not getting SU access + the rickroll bootani makes for pretty strong evidence though
at first I was like. >)) (im fat, have alot of chins.)
then I was like. >:|)) (just cause I serious face, my chins don't disappear)
Well. My night is ruined. Goodnight.
Also, if he is on the west coast (Washington), it wasn't even april 1st (1155pm) yet.
Double lame.
Awesome job jcase as always, thank you for your work and time on this rom.
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That was my initial thought when I first loaded it up with the bootani, but then I thought, no way is a respected XDA dev like jcase gonna mess around like that with an entire ROM. Not getting SU access + the rickroll bootani makes for pretty strong evidence though
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one year ago today...
there was a thread just like this
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one year ago today...
there was a thread just like this
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Minus the complaints and naysayers, XDA crowd has seriously changed in even this short period of time.
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one year ago today...
there was a thread just like this
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HaHa?
well, good job I guess jcase.. certainly got me. Even had one dude saying it was a new daily driver
But come on dude.. the rick roll? what is this, 2007?
oh the sleekness of 1.5
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HaHa?
well, good job I guess jcase.. certainly got me. Even had one dude saying it was a new daily driver
But come on dude.. the rick roll? what is this, 2007?
oh the sleekness of 1.5
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Look up "Codered rom".
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Look up "Codered rom".
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gotcha
no hard feelings or anything bro, was just excited that a veteran dev that i remember from back in the day put out a new ROM . Then Rick Astley with a cupcake shattered my world
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gotcha
no hard feelings or anything bro, was just excited that a veteran dev that i remember from back in the day put out a new ROM . Then Rick Astley with a cupcake shattered my world
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All good. I still have an eris here...