Hello
Im new user with desire Z and now im seeking light weight + stable + fast rom.
I managed to root my phone nicely and now im looking the ultimate rom for me.
Any suggestions?
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If you like the stock 2.2 sense-based rom, you can always go for a stripped and deodexed version, which will have more space and arguably be a bit quicker than your stock rooted rom.
You can also choose to go with CM6 or CM7, these are basically 2.2 (CM6) and 2.3 (CM7) on steroids, with tons of enhancements and they've trimmed the fat at the same time. CM7 is extremely fast in my experiences, but is not in its final stable mod yet. There has been 1 release candidate (RC1) and several nightlies since then that have been working just fine for me. Although everyone seems have their own little issues with them because after all they are experimental builds.
I'm partial to CyanogenMod because they've been making wonderful software for me since I started with Android last summer, and its always been great. I'm sure there are also some great sense-based ROMs out there (similar to stock DZ roms + enhancements), as well as MIUI ROMs, this is up to you on personal preference, but I've given my suggestions based on what I've used successfully.
Read and experiment. =) I'm partial to CM, as I don't like sense, but that's me. You may find you like sense. Root + eng hboot + Clockwork pretty much sets yu up for fairly easy, pain free rom changes.
If your looking for lightweight and fast, I feel its best to avoid sense. Vanilla roms are slightly quicker and cleaner in my experiance.
Agree that CM is all around faster and smoother than Sense based. I used the stock Sense ROM for about 2 months. Sense seems to use lots of CPU and RAM. I have been using CM7 (RC1) for about a week, and its much smoother and faster. In particular, the Sense homepage and launcher are very sluggish in comparison. I don't think you can call CM7 "lightweight", it has lots of features cooked in (and very cool ones, at that). But it certainly fits the stable and faster requests.
Just wondering what your thoughts are. I like them both, so hopefully you can all help me make a decision.
Notes:
*if option to customize lock screen exists, HUGE plus
*I'll probably overclock / use SetCPU, so good balance of performance / battery is huge for me.
Duke it out!
I've had experience with both, virtuous is nice but CM is so much faster. It is also nice to have Android the way it was meant to be and not some companies highly modded version.
Sense uses quite a lot of memory whereas CM does not and this makes a big difference with how responsive your phone can be.
I've been using CM 7.0 Nightlies for quite a while now and the speed is awesome, plus I also like the fact that it's Android the way it should be. Battery is great for me with Cyanogen as well, about 26-30 hours with average usage (stock battery).
Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
One example would be facebook linking to your contacts. I hate seeing a generic photo when I get calls and would rather see the picture of the person calling. Having this kind of assumed integration is great. Other features like the dialer, working GPS and rmk's other small tweaks (see: Virtuous advanced kernel for use with SetCPU) make the Sense experience that much better.
On the otherhand, AOSP or CM versions of android are much lighter as they dont have the kind of assumptions and integrations of a Sense-based rom. Being highly customizable, you can implement different launchers, skins, lock screens, docks, etc.. but I did find myself cursing at some points because I am just a Sense kind of guy deep inside.
It really comes down to personal preference. Try them both for a week and see how you feel about them. Alot of people have been saying Virtuous is laggy, but I have not seen any of that lag. As with all flashes, clear data, cache, battery and davlik through recovery! Have fun and i hope you find the rom that fits you.
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Athrun88 said:
Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
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Sense is definitely nice, and it's something that easily sets HTC devices apart from the pack. That being said, I'm much more of an AOSP kind of guy, because as nice and pretty as Sense is, it just takes up too much RAM for my liking, and the launcher is just not customizable enough for me. Having only 3 buttons at the bottom absolutely drives me nuts; I've got to have the scrolling bottom row like Go Launcher and Launcher Pro provide. Obviously you can use these on a Sense rom, but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher? For me it boils down to this, and I'm sure the many other features that Cyanogenmod has that I use on a daily basis. I haven't used Virtuous since I got the phone in October, so I'm sure there's more stuff on it now than before, but I'm definitely a Cyanogenmod kind of guy. Plus there are roms based off Cyanogen, like Mexdroid, that add all kinds of pretty and additional functionality that I like.
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but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher?
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The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
For a daily, I would pick CM7 since it's quick and I'm pretty much guaranteed a full day of usage no matter what.
Virtuous, Sense, is nice and all, but the lag is a deal breaker for me. The only perks I see from Sense is the refined UI and better FaceBook integration, other than that, I don't really need it. And the battery life on Sense roms seems to be half of what I get on CM7.
CM7, stock android, is catching up though, with Gingerbread the UI has been given a cleaner look and my contacts do sync with FaceBook, but every now and then I'll have a duplicate contact, which in Sense it would allow me to link the two together. The only problem I would see with CM7 would be all of the customization options. I'd say that I'm an above average Android user, but all of the options I have available to me to customize the phone look is a bit overwhelming, in my opinion. It takes me a good hour or two to get the phone set up in a way I prefer, whereas Sense kind of has it's settings put in such a way that creates a better user experience.
So as I said before, CM7 would be my preferred ROM since when I do get it set up the way I want, the phone is easy to use and everything is quickly accessible to me. Virtuous, as nice as it is, is just a bit too slow and too much of a battery drainer for me to use it every day.
redpoint73 said:
The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
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So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
Bloodlvst said:
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
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There is an app called contapps or something like that on market that has similar facebook to contact integration.
Speed = CM or CM based (GingerVillian)
Ease of use = Sense based (Virtuous)
It is really boiling down to personal preference. I did find myself jumping between AOSP and Sense before but could never really shake my love for Sense. The slight bloat and 0.001% lag that i experience is a good price to pay . I hope you find the rom that fits you, whatever that may be
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Bloodlvst said:
So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
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Yep, pretty much. CM6 is very stable. But for me, if you're going to go Froyo, you may as well go Sense. I like the extra features, and you can use an alternative launcher, since the lag on the Sense ROMs is mostly when using the stock launcher, IMO. And I didn't seem to experience any worse battery life with Sense ROMs versus CM7, like a previous user mentioned. But I didn't stay on CM6 long enough to compare battery life. Plus, the theming aesthetics of the Sense ROM and Gingerbread are nicer than Froyo, in my personal taste.
Actually there is also a sense gingerbread out accurately named 'senseginger' made by teamvillain aswell. It is very good. It is the middleground of froyo sense and stock gingerbread.
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CM is a lot smoother and simple.
The sense part on Virtuous takes up toooo much memory and slows the phone down, but the widgets are nice.
Android always comes down to user preference. You want a suggestion? Try both. And give it a good week. Even if you HATE it at first, give it a good while before deciding against it. You may find that once little aspect that will keep you from ever changing.
Me personally, I like CM7 over any sense based rom hands down. With the new gingerbread based cm7 I can easily link all of my facebook contacts with the ones in my contact list. If at first the picture doesn't show up, make sure you have the facebook app to sync all and then just long press your contact and join it to the facebook one. Boom, instant gratification. I personally rely on my ram being free, and the ability to overclock smoothly for playing ps one emulators. SetCpu has been known to cause glitches in cm7 for underclocking or overclocking too much, but as long as you do a minimal amount of research for your setup, it is easily avoided. As some others previously stated, it's all dependant on your preference and what you use your phone for. Try them both for a week at least, then decide, that's the best advice I could give
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My first experience with a ROM was CM7 RC1-4 and a few days ago I was bored and installed Virtuous and it's not bad but I definitely prefer CM7, it's way faster and smoother. The main reason I got the G2 was because it's Vanilla Android and CM7 has it all!
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Android 2.3.3
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CyanogenMod 7.0.0 Stable
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Main question: do you like Sense or no? I've tried miui, virtuous, gb sense, etc. I always go back to cm7. Just smoother.
Virtuous (and all sense roms I've tried) send blurry MMSs as well.
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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On Camcorder, taking a video landscape, then trying to playback in portrait mode results in the screen showing white and blue lines. Same with taking the video in portrait and trying to playback while in landscape mode.
Also, there is a Gmail margin problem. And there is a decent amount of people with non-GPS (although probably most CM users are fine on this).
But similar to the previous response, I have not tried the more recent CM releases, to see if these were fixed.
As others have said, it comes down to personal preferences. I've come to like Sense recently and am really liking the amazing standby times I've been getting with Virtuous, so I'm sticking with that for a bit. After a couple releases I may look into CM7 again, though, since I miss the customizable automatic brightness levels it has (a little feature that is a big deal to me).
By "stable" I mean something that is used for more than a month as a daily work horse build. I've tested various roms trying to settle on ROM that I use for daily use. My requirements are thus: Decent battery life, no lag, full functionality, of course.
So, rom flashing/testing aside, which ROM do you folks seem to settle on when you aren't testing and want a daily work horse rom? I just can't settle on one for one reason or another. If it's not battery, it's lag or both. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from a phone of this age, at this point. Last rom I used for the longest time was froydvillain before I started messing with the GB roms.
I dunno, what say you?
VR 13 works very well.
Maybe a GB ROM like Cronos would be good?
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VR 13 works very well.
Maybe a GB ROM like Cronos would be good?
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Vr13 is the 2.1 rom based on the WWE update, ya? Perhaps that one is best since it's based on official HTC release. Pity they never did a 2.2 update.
That's the one. I know, it would've been since.
2.1 repacked by elelinux or Cronos Ginger 2.2.3 this become update frequently by Feeyo
Cronos GB is a good choice indeed.
The Elelinux rom is very stable, I had some force closes with Villain ROM 13, and also with the Modaco one, no force close with Elelinux (base on Android 2.3.4).
If you don't want your phone to be laggy, try adw launcher with that (the faster I've used, even though I prefer Go launcher), don't use too many widget etc, keep it simple.
Cronos is indeed good, although he has recently moved away from CM sources. so that means you wouldn't get the set of Cyanogen specific enhancements. It will be pure AOSP + whatever modifications he made.
What are the reasons you ppl like AOSP better than Sense besides better battery life and kernels
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Isn't better battery life enough?
I like AOSP ROMs because they're less busy, less bloated. Deck's EVO ROM, for instance, is very lightweight and yet fully-functional. Combined with a good kernel like Tiamat or Savaged Zen, it easily lasts all day and then some without sacrificing a lot.
There are kernels for Sense ROMs too, by the way.
aosp roms are smaller and leave a smaller footprint. they are almost always much quicker than sense roms. decks rom, which is cm7 stripped down for the ev04g, is very lightweight and quick. not to mention, sense's bluetooth stack is straight garbage.
Sense ROMs typical zipped size:200MB for stock, near 300MB for 2.1/3.0
AOSP typical: 50-80MB with CM7 being near 80MB most of the time.
AOSP is %100 open source and anyone can build and modify. HTC does not share the Sense layer, and thus what they give you is what you get for the most part. While there are themes and hacks/mods, the underlying functionality is hard to change.
Everyone has their reasons. Some people simply cannot live without the Sense widgets, for example.
Aosp = wii-mote
Sense = no wii-mote
Nuff said
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I like both.....
Aosp: battery, way more mods, way more options, way more memory available, better HDMI mirroring, better wifi performance, better game performance.
Sense: ease of use, convieniet software (dialer, browser, music player) better GPS, espt stuff, naturally performs better on hardware (gps, notification lights)
Advantage IMO AOSP just because if the less space/memory usage.
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Hello everyone,
I am the unhappy owner of an HTC hero which is performing far toooo slow.
I decided to move from my original 2.1.1 to cyanogenmod 7.1 a few months ago, it was good, but far too slow. I kept it for good 2 months before eventually decided to give some other roms a go.
So i switched to chronos 2.4.4, far quicker than cyanogenmod, but still crawling..
My biggest problem is maps and waze, they are too slow to be useful...
chronos has shown to be also unstable, with the bluetooth causing lots of FC and phone going unresponsive for seconds...
Now, im fed up again.
I woudn't mind to go for android 2.1 or 2.2 i do not really need 2.3.3..
So i was wondering which rom to put on my hero.
Any suggestion?
It sounds like Vanilla Eclair is the ROM you want! It is old, but by far the fastest Rom out there
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Heroine ++ is a 2.1 sense rom and is very fast
Decked_X is a 2.3 aosp rom which is similar to cm7 but a lot better in my opinion and is possibly the fastest and most stable gingerbread rom you'll find
You could also try Elelinux's Speedmachine V5 which is a 2.2 rom. Its based on cm6. Its my current rom and seems stable and fast. I haven't tried many 2.2 roms so there may be something better out there but this one seems good to me
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What is the best 2.2 sense rom?
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What is the best 2.2 sense rom?
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Unfortunately there is no fully working sense 2. 2 Rom. Camera issues. Still would love to see one though but hardly any development going on these days
at the moment im trying the heroine
quite snappy compared to chronos and cyanogenmod
battery seems a bit weak, 12 hours life more or less...
lets see how it goes
Try the new nightly off the thread of Pure CM 7.2 RC0 KANG ROM.. Speedwise I think it's better than decked. I mean comparing this to heroine, it sure is a tight one. Give it a shot you won't be disappointed.
I've just started using [ROM][2.3.7] LiGux (Coopoui) (RC2.0 - 01/12/2012)[Port] which is fast enough for me and before that the speedmachine rom which was also quick. I think what you might need to do is use an older version of your software rather than expect the rom to pick up the slack. The problem I see is that the maps etc is newer and slower on our older phones. So for the best combination why not get an older rom and an older version of your software (ex maps) and not update them?
At the moment the battery issues are fixed and the rom is going pretty well
quick and snappy it has its hiccups from time to time but i think is mainly because new version of apps software should be called bloatwares instead.
unless the phone starts to crawl again I will stay with this rom..